Digest for sci.electronics.repair@googlegroups.com - 13 updates in 2 topics

Don Brown <edfredcorp@gmail.com>: Jun 25 06:54AM -0700

I have a Hickok 440 curve tracer that I am having difficulty troubleshooting, even though it is a relatively simple circuit.
 
The base generator staircase is not stable, and will not stay in calibration. It looks like noise comes and goes and distorts it. I have replaced most of the semiconductors. The 15v power supply is a bit low at about 13.9v, though the regulator transistor and zeners have been replaced.
 
I have the manual, schematic, parts and usual test equipment.
 
Thank you,
Don
John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Jun 25 08:00AM -0700

On 2019/06/25 6:54 a.m., Don Brown wrote:
 
> I have the manual, schematic, parts and usual test equipment.
 
> Thank you,
> Don
 
Have you replaced any and all electrolytic capacitors and verified that
the resistors are on spec?
 
Capacitors are bigger suspects than the semiconductors...
 
John :-#)#
 
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Don Brown <edfredcorp@gmail.com>: Jun 25 08:07AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 6:54:49 AM UTC-7, Don Brown wrote:
 
> I have the manual, schematic, parts and usual test equipment.
 
> Thank you,
> Don
 
I changed the two electrolytics in the 15v supply, and one polyester that is used in the base generator section (though it tested OK out of circuit). I did a quick run through on the resistors while in circuit, and they test within spec with nothing unusual.
Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Jun 25 11:08AM -0400

In article <o--dnbQEfIK0qo_AnZ2dnUU7-S2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
spam@flippers.com says...
 
> Have you replaced any and all electrolytic capacitors and verified that
> the resistors are on spec?
 
> Capacitors are bigger suspects than the semiconductors...
 
In older equipment it is always to suspect the electrolytic capacitors
first. For older tube equipment the 1/2 and 1 watt carbon resistors
often seem to go up in value and are the next thing after the capacitors
I check for equipment that is sort of working,but not up to
specifications.
Don Brown <edfredcorp@gmail.com>: Jun 25 08:09AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 6:54:49 AM UTC-7, Don Brown wrote:
 
> I have the manual, schematic, parts and usual test equipment.
 
> Thank you,
> Don
 
So the short answer is Yes.
John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Jun 25 08:50AM -0700

On 2019/06/25 8:09 a.m., Don Brown wrote:
 
>> Thank you,
>> Don
 
> So the short answer is Yes.
 
OK, caps and resistors all good.
 
Then I'd scope the existing power supply to make sure it is clean & stable.
 
If you have a good bench power supply see if using a different +15VDC
source clears up the issue.
 
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Don Brown <edfredcorp@gmail.com>: Jun 25 09:16AM -0700

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 8:50:33 AM UTC-7, John Robertson wrote:
> (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
> www.flippers.com
> "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
 
I can do both. I did not think of an external power supply, will report back and post results.
 
Thank you
bruce2bowser@gmail.com: Jun 24 10:26AM -0700


> > Computers should not be run in the rain, they need to be protected from
> > the weather...unless specifically designed for outdoor all-weather use!
 
> I dunno - were the OP to hold a 240 VAC power-supply for that computer between his legs in a driving rain, it may have a salubrious effect.
 
120 can be just as lethal as 240.
(its the current, not the volts that's the problem in those accidents)
"pfjw@aol.com" <peterwieck33@gmail.com>: Jun 24 12:12PM -0700


> 120 can be just as lethal as 240.
> (its the current, not the volts that's the problem in those accidents)
 
But not nearly as fast or as certain.
Rheilly Phoull <rheilly@bigslong.com>: Jun 25 10:04AM +0800


>> 120 can be just as lethal as 240.
>> (its the current, not the volts that's the problem in those accidents)
 
> But not nearly as fast or as certain.
 
And given the high resistance of the human bod I feel they are
interactive, you cant have a current through high resistance with low
voltage
Lucifer <LuciferMorningstar@bigpond.com>: Jun 25 07:53PM +1000

>> with an adaptor which means the surge wudda had to jump the induction coild
>> (unlikely). I realy want to put som erational persectiv eon this.
 
>You should consult Skybuck Flying, he is reasoning along the same lines.
 
Af lakeys pacebar?
Lucifer <LuciferMorningstar@bigpond.com>: Jun 25 07:57PM +1000

On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 08:44:26 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>
wrote:
 
 
>Computers should not be run in the rain, they need to be protected from
>the weather...unless specifically designed for outdoor all-weather use!
 
>John ;-#)#
 
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"pfjw@aol.com" <peterwieck33@gmail.com>: Jun 25 04:39AM -0700

On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 10:04:12 PM UTC-4, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
 
> And given the high resistance of the human bod I feel they are
> interactive, you cant have a current through high resistance with low
> voltage
 
The (healthy adult) human body is, effectively, a 10,000 ohm, 1/4-watt resistor. Anything that will put more than 1/4 watt through 10,000 ohms will cause damage.
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
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