Digest for sci.electronics.repair@googlegroups.com - 12 updates in 3 topics

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>: Dec 18 01:36PM -0500

Hi, all,
 
I'm repairing a Photon Inc. BeamScan 1080 laser beam profiler. It works
by using a motor with a drum of about a 1-1/2 inch diameter mounted
coaxially on the shaft. The drum has a carefully-calibrated slit made
from very thin shim stock, so that it scans the slit across the beam in
the X direction and measures the 1-D profile. (You have to rotate the
head to get the Y direction.)
 
The bearings on the motor are shot--the shaft rolls around in the
bearing and buzzes instead of rotating smoothly.
 
It's quite a nice motor, a Faulhaber 2225U024S16. Trouble is, they
don't make it anymore, and apparently haven't in quite awhile--I have
their 2006-7 catalogue, and it isn't listed. They do have an apparently
similar model 2224U024SR that might be a good replacement.
 
It's 22 mm in diameter, 24 mm long, and has a 2-mm shaft. From the part
number it sounds like it runs on 24 V.
 
Anybody got a datasheet or other wisdom?
 
Thanks
 
Phil Hobbs
 
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
 
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Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com>: Dec 18 07:31PM -0800

On Wednesday, December 18, 2019 at 1:36:25 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
 
> It's 22 mm in diameter, 24 mm long, and has a 2-mm shaft. From the part
> number it sounds like it runs on 24 V.
 
> Anybody got a datasheet or other wisdom?
 
 
What is bad? The bearings, or is there other damage?
tabbypurr@gmail.com: Dec 18 07:54PM -0800

On Wednesday, 18 December 2019 18:36:25 UTC, Phil Hobbs wrote:
 
> Anybody got a datasheet or other wisdom?
 
> Thanks
 
> Phil Hobbs
 
There's a lot I don't know about the situation, but fwiw the first thing that springs to mind is why don't you replace the defective bearing. Industrial mech engineering shops can do that sort of thing for not much. I was quoted 60 to do a transaxle maybe 3 years ago.
 
 
NT
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>: Dec 19 02:56AM -0500

On 2019-12-18 22:31, Michael Terrell wrote:
>> number it sounds like it runs on 24 V.
 
>> Anybody got a datasheet or other wisdom?
 
> What is bad? The bearings, or is there other damage?
 
The sintered bearings are completely shot. Otherwise it appears OK.
("Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln....") The issue is mainly that I don't
know the unloaded speed of the motor at rated voltage, so it's hard to
know if the 2224 is a suitable replacement.
 
Cheers
 
Phil Hobbs
 
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
 
http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>: Dec 19 02:57AM -0500


>> Phil Hobbs
 
> There's a lot I don't know about the situation, but fwiw the first thing that springs to mind is why don't you replace the defective bearing. Industrial mech engineering shops can do that sort of thing for not much. I was quoted 60 to do a transaxle maybe 3 years ago.
 
> NT
 
The motor is 20 mm in diameter by 24 mm long. Not quite in the
transaxle class.
 
Thanks
 
Phil Hobbs
 
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
 
http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com>: Dec 19 01:36AM -0800

On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 2:56:20 AM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> know if the 2224 is a suitable replacement.
 
> Cheers
 
> Phil Hobbs
 
Can Faulhaber supply new bearings? I doubt that they were only used on one motor design.
olaf <olaf@criseis.ruhr.de>: Dec 19 10:32AM +0100


>("Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln....") The issue is mainly that I don't
>know the unloaded speed of the motor at rated voltage, so it's hard to
>know if the 2224 is a suitable replacement.
 
https://lemo-solar.de/shop/motoren.php
 
Does it looks like Artikel 75 or 78, 79
 
Oh..and perhaps you can call Faulhaber and ask for the data. They
are very expensive, very good quality and very helpful.
The did not have any data on there homepage because the motor
is too old, but I expect they can help if you ask them.
 
https://www.mikrocontroller.net/attachment/149581/142700_362.pdf
 
Hm..this datasheet said the 2225 not a motor, it is a generator
and it is made with differenz kind of bearing.
 
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Faulhaber-Motor-24Vdc-2225U024S-Identix-Biometric-Fingerprint-Scanner-Part/192039004533?hash=item2cb66aa975:g:b~QAAOSwa~BYP631
 
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Faulhaber-Modell-2225f012s-Dc-Motor-Ungebraucht-Altes-Lager/312494829941?hash=item48c224b175:g:NX8AAOSwzrxUsByX
 
Sometimes you can buy a motor with a different gearbox and change
it. I may be necessary to heat the engine because the use a kind of
glue in the threads.
 
 
Olaf
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>: Dec 19 10:55AM -0500

On 2019-12-19 04:32, olaf wrote:
> >know if the 2224 is a suitable replacement.
 
> https://lemo-solar.de/shop/motoren.php
 
> Does it looks like Artikel 75 or 78, 79
 
Yup. Those are the right motor but the wrong voltage.
 
> are very expensive, very good quality and very helpful.
> The did not have any data on there homepage because the motor
> is too old, but I expect they can help if you ask them.
 
I did, but I haven't heard back yet.
 
 
> Hm..this datasheet said the 2225 not a motor, it is a generator
> and it is made with differenz kind of bearing.
 
> https://www.ebay.de/itm/Faulhaber-Motor-24Vdc-2225U024S-Identix-Biometric-Fingerprint-Scanner-Part/192039004533?hash=item2cb66aa975:g:b~QAAOSwa~BYP631
 
Thanks, I ordered a couple of those last night--I found them after I posted.
 
 
> Sometimes you can buy a motor with a different gearbox and change
> it. I may be necessary to heat the engine because the use a kind of
> glue in the threads.
 
This one isn't a gear motor--the drum just goes right on the shaft, with
no loading except aerodynamic drag. That's the main reason I'd like the
datasheet before I replace it with something else, because the
free-running speeds can be pretty different and I don't know much about
the speed controller.
 
Thanks
 
Phil Hobbs
 
 
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
 
http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
Ivan Vegvary <ivanvegvary@gmail.com>: Dec 18 06:19PM -0800

Great microwave oven, except only the top half of the digits (clock, temperature,etc) light up. Have moderate electronixs skills. Is this repairable? Circuit board unavailable on "appliance parts" web sites
Thank you.
tabbypurr@gmail.com: Dec 18 07:51PM -0800

On Thursday, 19 December 2019 02:19:28 UTC, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
> Great microwave oven, except only the top half of the digits (clock, temperature,etc) light up. Have moderate electronixs skills. Is this repairable? Circuit board unavailable on "appliance parts" web sites
> Thank you.
 
likely a bad contact to the display.
Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com>: Dec 19 01:43PM

On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 18:19:25 -0800 (PST), Ivan Vegvary
 
>Great microwave oven, except only the top half of the digits (clock, temperature,etc) light up. Have moderate electronixs skills. Is this repairable? Circuit board unavailable on "appliance parts" web sites
>Thank you.
 
If you can get to the connections, slide them in and out.
 
Steve
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John-Del <ohger1s@gmail.com>: Dec 18 04:22PM -0800

On Monday, December 16, 2019 at 6:50:38 PM UTC-5, James Russell wrote:
> circuit tape connected to tv screen is torn off partially (top of tv screen insignia ) how do I reconnect it ? I can't find anything on the net so far. Clues wound be nice.
 
> and yes it was me,
> james
 
 
If you're talking about a flexible circuit that is (was) bonded to the LCD screen proper, you're SOL.
 
If you're talking about the flexible ribbons that connect between the display screen and the tcon using flip-up connectors, you can find these on ebay from someone who carelessly ripped a bonded LCD screen ribbon and is parting out what's left..
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