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John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Jan 13 09:40AM -0800 > The solar industry has determined this. You're simply tryjng to re-invent the wheel.   >> Nor have we calculated removal & disposal costs at the end of the system's service-life.   > Because the solar industry has determined it in their eight-year estimate. After which solar operators make money.   Sounds just like the Climate Alarmists to me. They define the parameters and you can't debate them because the "Science is Proven" when NO science is ever proven, only what appears to currently fit the current hypothesis best is assumed to be accurate.   The hypothesis apparently being that Nature is Good and Humans are Bad. (4 legs good...)     John ;-#)#

Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Jan 13 12:16PM -0600 On 1/13/20 11:40 AM, John Robertson wrote: > (4 legs good...)   All climate is equal. Some climate is more equal.     -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com

bruce2bowser@gmail.com: Jan 13 10:53AM -0800 > Gegen die Dummheit kämpfen die Götter selbst vergebens.   Doch. "Im Vergleich zu Kohle ist Solarenergie auch für Investoren weit attraktiver."

"pfjw@aol.com" <peterwieck33@gmail.com>: Jan 13 11:19AM -0800 There is all that. But, sadly, nothing is perfect, and Solar is far less perfect than very nearly anything else.   Useful when 'the grid' is not available. Useful in outer space where sunlight is available. Useful in some other extreme situations.   But as a utility-scale option, it is pretty wretched. And as a residential option, it is outright theft if subsidized.   And, as an industry, the Solar Industry is no better than it should be, about as honest as the average politician, about as ethical as the average evangelical preacher.   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

bruce2bowser@gmail.com: Jan 14 06:40AM -0800 > There is all that. But, sadly, nothing is perfect, and Solar is far less perfect than very nearly anything else.   Agreed. BEFORE the 8 year break-even period is up. (A lot like a mortgage. Its HATED until you pay it off)

jaugustine@verizon.net: Jan 14 07:04AM -0500 ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_detector> ><http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/Window-comparator-circuit.php> >etc...   Hi, I should have mentioned that it is important to have a high impedance (virtually no loading effect). A DMM may have 10M ohms.   John

Chuck <ch@dejanews.net>: Jan 13 12:05PM -0600 On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 01:02:24 -0800 (PST), Michael Terrell >> scam you into agreeing to pay for a service call for your inside wiring.   >Telco hires trained monkeys to take service calls. I had one insist that it had to be my inside wiring. That was one foot of new station wire to a new jack on the other side of the wall. They finally sent two techs out who determined that the 50 year old underground trunkline was bad and switched me to another bad copper pair. Centurylink isn't replacing bad underground trunk, they are waiting to replace it all with Fiber, one of these decades. I lost service during Hurricane Irma. A pedestal at the end of my street was pulled out of the ground by a damaged power pole. The pole was replaced, but not the pedestal. They insist that my service was restored, and claim that I owe a lot of money for a line that never worked, again. I tried to close the account at 90 days, but they would only do it if I called from the number I wanted terminated. I asked, "How do I do that on a dead line?" They shrugged and tried to sell me a cell phone.   >Nothing but poorly trained monkeys. A lot of businesses in the area had to go to VOIP to have usable phone service. Thankfully, the downtown area has 1Gb fiber internet at a good price. Had the same problem with AT&T. After dicking me around for 10 years, a tech told me there was water in a quarter mile long underground cable and they weren't going to replace it.

"Ron D." <ron.dozier@gmail.com>: Jan 13 10:06AM -0800 You need to make sure that the connecting cable is also different.   Also be aware that the telco repair person might not be knowledgeable either.   I asked the repair person that came out for a service call should the cord from the jack to the wall be straight or crossed. He said he taught technicians and the cord should be straight-thru which is the wrong answer.   Only patch cables should be straight-thru.   Most modern phones don;t care if the wires are crossed or straight and, it appears, that neither do the phone technicians. Old bell touch tone phones must have the polarity to work for the keypad to work.   The "protector" and the interface (jack and 1/2 ringer) can also be a source of potential problems. There also might be two protectors. One in the NID and one inside from old wiring.   The 1/2 ringer can sometimes be removed when you have DSL.   Wet spider webs have been the big issues for me as well as connections from the CO. One guy came back and said I just removed 1000 feet from your service, Another guy came back with a foot of spliced cable where the insulation was removed in places and said this was your problem.   The telco guy typically deals with the naked pairs and removes the NID from being the problem.

etpm@whidbey.com: Jan 13 01:45PM -0800 >Had the same problem with AT&T. After dicking me around for 10 years, >a tech told me there was water in a quarter mile long underground >cable and they weren't going to replace it. True Story. Back in the 80s I lived in a Redmond WA neighborhood that had all sorts of water problems. I had to deal with tons of water flowing across my property from uphill houses. My phone started getting all sorts of static on it but I wasn't surprised because we had GTE and they seemed to be light on servicing their equipment. We had a phone box in our front yard. One of those small boxes that sits atop a pipe. The box was probably 14 inches long by 4 inches wide by about the same deep. Anyway, I went outside for some reason and water is squirting out of the box seams! It was hilarious. Static problem found. So I went inside and called GTE to tell them about it. The woman I spoke to told me that water was not used in phone systems. I insisted that I knew that and that's why I called. Water was not supposed to be squirting out of their phone box. I finally convinced her to send out someone and she told me that I was going to be charged a service fee if I was wrong about water coming out of their box. When the service guy arrived and saw the box he was shocked and then laughed out loud. Needless to say there was no charge on my phone bill. Eric

Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com>: Jan 13 05:08PM -0600 On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 07:13:23 -0500, jaugustine wrote:       > Since I have DSL for internet, is it possible one of the DSL filters > might > cause this problem? Do you have any buzzing, hum or crackling when on this phone line? That is a strong suggestion of a "ground on the line" ie. one of the wires has a pinhole and is leaking current to the earth. These can be intermittent and cause all sorts of odd system behavior, such as no ring, hangups after ring (ring voltage increases ground leakage so CO thinks line has been picked up momentarily, then drops the call) and of course, in the worst case, no dial tone.   Jon

Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com>: Jan 13 04:45PM -0800 On Monday, January 13, 2020 at 1:04:16 PM UTC-5, Chuck wrote: > Had the same problem with AT&T. After dicking me around for 10 years, > a tech told me there was water in a quarter mile long underground > cable and they weren't going to replace it.   The on hook voltage often dropped to a little under 4VDC. It was rarely above 30VDC. The techs that came said the entire subdivision had very old underground cable and over half the pairs were open. A few homes were fed from two pairs, each with an open wire. The line was always noisy. I only kept it, because cell service and internet went down during heavy storms and hurricanes. Cell service here has improved quite a bit in the last 20 years.

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jan 13 10:59AM -0800 On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 14:40:31 +0000 (UTC), >> followed up....   > Divine intervention is what happens when your design fails to impress, >and God decides to "let the smoke out" of your circuit.   Divine retribution and intervention are quite different. Divine retribution is where a lightning bolt from out of the clear blue sky strikes the transgressor down following a chronic failure to RTFM and follow the instructions. Divine intervention is where the participants in some technical or political discussion are unable to reach a suitable conclusion or compromise, and both need to be reminded who is the boss.   Also, none of my better designs have impressed anyone. In most cases, they attracted far more criticism than praise. Whenever I provide something to the design review committee for target practice, I consider it a very good sign if they take the time to tear it apart and offer their collective misjudgment. However, if the committee is passive and offers little criticism, I'm certain that I've done something fundamentally wrong.     -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jan 13 11:05AM -0800 On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 12:09:44 +0000, Cursitor Doom >I'm afraid I don't have that option at the moment. The 2465A blew up a >couple of days ago and has now joined my pile of "awaiting attention" >junk. :( I didn't blow it up, by the way; it managed it all by itself.   See my comments on divine retribution elsewhere in this thread.   >I think you may have missed the clarification I posted.   Yep. I read your comments after I posted my comments. I often read Usenet threads starting from the most recent, rather than in chronological order. That saves me the embarrassment of answering questions that were previously answered, but also causes me to miss important added information.   >My working practices are a bit slapdash >I must admit, but no worse than the average hobbyist I would imagine.   Yep.   -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org: Jan 13 09:40PM Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in > retribution is where a lightning bolt from out of the clear blue sky > strikes the transgressor down following a chronic failure to RTFM and > follow the instructions.   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Sullivan>   <https://funfactz.com/amazing-facts/walter-summerford-lightning/>

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