- Looking for a schematic of TORE SEEM L2003 - 2 Updates
- Devices to fool the Power Meter - 2 Updates
| Bo-Lennart <bo-lennart.karlsson@telia.com>: Jun 26 07:11AM -0700 Hi all out there. I have come a cross of a TORE SEEM-unit called L2003. It is a VCA (Voltage Controlled Amplifier). The heart of the VCA is a EGC101 (made by Allison Research). TORE SEEM was a Norway company. Don't know if they are still in business. Is there someone out there who can help me with a schematic. It would be fun to have it running. There is nice OP on the PCB. Like NE5534, TL071 and TL072. Four IC per channel. It's a 2 channel unit. Best regards from SWEDEN Bo-Lennart Karlsson Falun, SWEDEN |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <peterwieck33@gmail.com>: Jun 26 08:33AM -0700 audiofixer@online.no might be able to help if he is still around. He also maintained this Facebook site - even though I despise Facebook and all it represents: https://www.facebook.com/AudioFixer Back in 2010, he was, apparently, a Tore-Seem guru. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
| Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com>: Jun 26 05:37AM >>> ** Oops, no it don't. > Scam marketers are likely to say that the lower current directly lowers > the Watts, which is a scam. Didn't know ohm's law just doens't apply when marketers are involved. Sorry, but it does. The lies are the amount of electricty and money you will save. > and thus wasted power in wire resistance, but only in the wiring from > the meter to the scam box. Boxes are likely to be at the service - > negligible length = negligible saving. The junk ones just plug into an outlet, they don't hard wire into your sevice panel. Granted, the outlet you pick could be far from your inductive loads. > 3 - Capacitors are likely permanently connected. When the > motor/inductive load is off the capacitor still conducts a current. That > produces wasted power (metered Watts) in the wire resistance. Wait earlier you said that lower current, lowering watts - "which is a scam", but now increased current somehow increases power. I'm so lost here. > real-good-idea. (And the correction is a lot more sophisticated than the > scam boxes.) But, as has been said, there is no power factor penalty for > residential. I don't have any bullshit power factor devices plugged into my outlets 24/7 with the expectation of getting money back from the power company every month. Power factor correction is real, and plain old induction motors are terribly inefficient, and you'd benefit from properly correcting the "empty" current they draw. A sub 60% efficient 1/3 hp frame 56 motor isn't unheard of, and even a high efficiency ones will draw more than 4 amps at 120 volts. You might only save 10 watts of resistive losess, but might also be able to not trip a breaker or blow a fuse if other items are on that branch. I don't dispute gimmicky boxes will probably not save you any money, but to pretend that resistive losses don't exist doesn't jive at all with reality and why branch circuits in your home even have a current rating in the first place. Think about it. I assure you it's not the stronger magnetic fields from an overloaded circuit with a coin stuffed behind a fuse or an overloaded skinny extension cord that that cause your house to catch on fire. |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <peterwieck33@gmail.com>: Jun 26 04:07AM -0700 Has anyone here ever actually looked into what utility-grade "capacitor banks" do, why they are installed and where they are installed? It is pretty simple, and pretty basic. No, they do not exist to 'cheat the meter'. Yes, they do save money, no, they do not save power. How those things happen together is where the 'magic' resides. But it ain't nohow magic. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
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