Cursitor Doom <cd@noreply.com>: Jan 10 06:32PM
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 17:35:35 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
>also you may have linked the device to an online account via
><http://www.wifiradio-frontier.com>
>Might your account have been locked-out?
I don't have any such account! Certainly nothing that *I* have created
anyway. Unless this is something Roberts do without telling you.
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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>: Jan 10 03:43PM
Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> Does it manage to remember your WiFi credentials every time you turn it
>> on? Try a factory reset if it has one buried in the menus.
> Yes, it remembers the password and accesses the router no problem.
So it has *some* functioning non-volatile storage then, wonder if it
constantly writes your favourites to flash and has worn it out?
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Bertrand Sindri <bertrand.sindri@yahoo.com>: Jan 10 04:55PM
>>three quarters you have not yet disassembled?
> Yeah, I know, I know. I'm not a technician so I don't think like a
> technician; sorry about that.
That is just a copout.
Realizing that you've not seen 100% of the boards in the housing is not
"thinking like a technician". One does not have to "think like a
technician" to realize that if you have not found what you are
searching for, but have only searched one quarter of the total, that
just maybe the item you seek is in the remaining three quarters.
Although your other posts have opened the very good possibility that
the device has zero local storage beyond WiFi credentials.
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Cursitor Doom <cd@noreply.com>: Jan 10 04:45PM
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:34:13 +0000 (UTC), Bertrand Sindri
>>>> before developing dementia, so I think it's fair to assume there's
>>>> an internal power supply of some sort.
>Why is this "safe to assume"?
Fair point. Assumptions are the mother of all fuckups - as I've said
here many times myself!
>stored in a tiny amount of flash on the main chipset to provide the
>bootstrap necessary to find the rest of the settings on some cloud
>server.
You see this is all like rocket science to me. Never in a million
years would that have occurred to me. If my favourites are stored in
the cloud rather than locally then that's a major breach of trust
Roberts has committed. And confidentiality!
>wage phone worker having a table of "customer quoted symptoms" vs.
>"quoted repair cost" and the minimum wage worker just reading you off
>the quote for the item that sounded most close to your description?
Look, I'm an old dude. I have no idea what goes on in these places
nowadays. I can only go by my increasingly outdated experience which
is set firmly in the past (25+ years minimum).
>> are showing as anything between 1000uF and 1200uF on my Peak ESR70
>> meter. I've never known caps so far out of tolerance before.
>In circuit or out of circuit measurement?
In circuit. And they're not in parallel.
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Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid>: Jan 10 01:51PM
On 10/01/2021 13:33, KenW wrote:
>> Maybe it doesn't have internal power !!??
>> KenW
> And preprogrammed freqs. are in a rom.
There are no "freqs" on the 105.
There is no traditional AM/FM/digital radio tuner in the thing.
Internet only.
Settings beyond WiFi could well be in the cloud.
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Adrian C
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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>: Jan 10 05:35PM
Bertrand Sindri wrote:
> maybe the price quote you got from their phone support was really
> the cost for: "replace the worn out flash chip".
You can nuke its settings
press menu, main menu, system settings, factory reset, yes
also you may have linked the device to an online account via
<http://www.wifiradio-frontier.com>
Might your account have been locked-out?
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Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid>: Jan 10 09:55PM
On 10/01/2021 20:36, Bertrand Sindri wrote:
> also contains an embedded CPU as well).
> [1] yes, this is not secure, because if you learn someone's radio's MAC
> address, you could read/write their settings.
Ok, I had a look at the manual. Like my earlier model, it's a
ridiculously complicated book more suited to a computer product than an
entertainment gadget.
http://www.aeldownloads.com/robertsradio/userguides/STREAM105%20ISSUE.1.pdf
There is also a troubleshooting guide
http://www.aeldownloads.com/robertsradio/TSguides/STREAM%20105%20TS.ISSUE.1.pdf.
In the UK, Roberts was a British brand of radio manaufacturer that
catered mostly to the middle class purchaser, and I can hardly see some
of those that have remaining memories of old, having some ability left
to waddle through that nonsense.
However, I had a waddle. Page 64 of the wordy user manual.
"You should not attempt to update your radio unless it is recommended to
you by Roberts Customer
Services. Updating the software may remove all network settings, radio
station presets and alarm settings
from your radio"
So, station presets _are_ stored in flash memory on the device. Have
they been lost in a recent software update?
Suggest, (if it still works) registering an account (Page 30) and
storing favourites there.
Mr Doom. You won't find a battery or a cap. Give up.
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Adrian C
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Cursitor Doom <cd@noreply.com>: Jan 10 01:54PM
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 13:51:00 +0000, Adrian Caspersz
>There is no traditional AM/FM/digital radio tuner in the thing.
>Internet only.
>Settings beyond WiFi could well be in the cloud.
Yes, and it remembered my choices perfectly well for many years before
developing dementia, so I think it's fair to assume there's an
internal power supply of some sort.
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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>: Jan 10 02:31PM
Cursitor Doom wrote:
> Yes, and it remembered my choices perfectly well for many years before
> developing dementia, so I think it's fair to assume there's an
> internal power supply of some sort.
It might send its unique ID to the cloud, which remembers your
favourites and tells the "radio" every time it boots?
Does it manage to remember your WiFi credentials every time you turn it
on? Try a factory reset if it has one buried in the menus.
Maybe the "favourites" part of the cloud has gone away? Or is
geo-restricted?
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Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>: Jan 10 07:05PM
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 15:34:07 +0000
> know already what the problem was since they quoted me 40 quid to fix
> it I'm just wondering if they don't do anything to the radio but just
> renew my subscription or something like that.
https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2337021/roberts-internet-radio-no-access-to-favourites
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Cursitor Doom <cd@noreply.com>: Jan 10 10:59PM
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 21:55:28 +0000, Adrian Caspersz
>> the radio and to either return (for a read request) or save (for a
>> write request) the user settings in association with that serial
>> number.
I see. Well, I never wanted *anything* to do with 'the cloud' - ever.
So if that had been the case I'd have had strong words with Roberts!
>Suggest, (if it still works) registering an account (Page 30) and
>storing favourites there.
>Mr Doom. You won't find a battery or a cap. Give up.
Many thanks indeed for that summary, Adrian; much appreciated.
I have never - knowingly - ever done any updates at all since I bought
the thing. I bought Roberts because I've had their broadcast recievers
in the past and been very happy with them in all respects. They were a
bit pricey (though not as much as a Hacker) but the build and sound
quality was very good. Their internet radios, OTOH, have none of that
reassuringly solid feel about them.
I think I'll reassemble it and have a think about how to proceed from
there tomorrow....
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