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vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com: Apr 06 07:40PM Do they make wall receptacles where one is non-polarised and the other poalrised?     -- Vasos Panagiotopoulos panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---

Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net>: Apr 06 10:00PM > Do they make wall receptacles where one is non-polarised and the other > poalrised?   You can make one. Just plug one of the two ground holes with some contrasting colored caulk -- so the next fool knows it was done on purpose.   WTH? Sure sounds like a troll.

vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com: Apr 06 11:17PM In <slrnu2ug8h.s.trepidation@vps.jonz.net> by Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> on Thu, 06 Apr 2023 18:00:49 we perused: *+-On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 19:40:28 -0000 (UTC), vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote: *+-> *+-> Do they make wall receptacles where one is non-polarised and the other *+-> poalrised?   *+-You can make one. *+-Just plug one of the two ground holes with some contrasting *+-colored caulk -- so the next fool knows it was done on purpose.   *+-WTH? Sure sounds like a troll.   The old outlets had both prongs the same width   now one is wider   Nothing about the ground   -- Vasos Panagiotopoulos panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---

Bertrand Sindri <bertrand.sindri@yahoo.com>: Apr 07 01:43AM > Do they make wall receptacles where one is non-polarised and the other > poalrised?   No. Most likely because doing so would likely be an electrical code violationn. I believe (at least for the US) the electrical code requires all new and upgraded receptacles to be polarized.   Just install a polarized receptacle. It is 100% backwards compatible with non-polarized plugs, with the added advantage of also being 100% forward compatible with all polarized plugs.

Bertrand Sindri <bertrand.sindri@yahoo.com>: Apr 07 01:45AM > <trepidation@example.net> on Thu, 06 Apr 2023 18:00:49 we perused: > The old outlets had both prongs the same width   > now one is wider   Yes, that's how the 'polarized' plugs work. By also making one plug tang wider you can only insert a polarized plug into a proper polarized receptacle.   If you can plug a polarized plug into a non-polarized receptacle, then you can defeat the safety advantage offered by the polarized plugs.

vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com: Apr 06 07:15PM Twenty years ago Maintenance Wharehouse used to sell smoke detecotres that hard wired to 110VAC, no batteries. How do you fiind such today?   It seems those goon-ghules decide what you want You ask for "x not y" and they forget your condiditon   -- Vasos Panagiotopoulos panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>: Apr 06 08:17PM +0100 > Twenty years ago Maintenance Wharehouse used to sell > smoke detecotres that hard wired to 110VAC, no batteries. > How do you fiind such today?   over here "interlinked" would be a good extra keyword.

philo <philo@privacy.net>: Apr 06 02:33PM -0500 > How do you fiind such today?   > It seems those goon-ghules decide what you want > You ask for "x not y" and they forget your condiditon   Bad idea. If the power is out, no alarm. Power could be out due to an electrical fire.

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>: Apr 06 09:13PM +0100 philo wrote:     >> smoke detecotres that hard wired to 110VAC, no batteries.   > Bad idea. If the power is out, no alarm. > Power could be out due to an electrical fire.   wire the alarm circuit in MICC?

ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net>: Apr 06 06:24PM -0400 > How do you fiind such today?   > It seems those goon-ghules decide what you want > You ask for "x not y" and they forget your condiditon   Search for hardwired smoke alarm. The word "hardwired" means they are powered from the AC mains. (They also include a backup battery.)   Ed

vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com: Apr 06 11:18PM In <u0ngri$h1jh$1@news.eternal-september.org> by ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> on Thu, 06 Apr 2023 18:24:50 we perused: *+-On 4/6/2023 3:15 PM, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote: *+-> Twenty years ago Maintenance Wharehouse used to sell *+-> smoke detecotres that hard wired to 110VAC, no batteries. *+-> How do you fiind such today? *+-> *+-> It seems those goon-ghules decide what you want *+-> You ask for "x not y" and they forget your condiditon *+->   *+-Search for hardwired smoke alarm. *+-The word "hardwired" means they are powered from the *+-AC mains. (They also include a backup battery.)   Many thanks. I kinda found it but wasn't sure   -- Vasos Panagiotopoulos panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---

"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>: Apr 07 01:26AM +0200 On 2023-04-06 22:13, Andy Burns wrote:   >> Bad idea. If the power is out, no alarm. >> Power could be out due to an electrical fire.   > wire the alarm circuit in MICC?   MICC (Model International Criminal Court)?   First google hit. No idea what MICC may be for you.   If you refer to "Mineral Insulated Copper Cable", no. The mains may still be out.   The main reason to have the detectors run from battery is precisely to avoid failures due to failed mains.     -- Cheers, Carlos.

vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com: Apr 06 07:18PM Most adaptors are non-polarised with smaller prongs   Most walls these days are polarised   In my old home, I had to file down plugs to fit my wall outlets.   I usually try to spread the adaptor prongs further apart to fit more snugly   -- Vasos Panagiotopoulos panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---

Bertrand Sindri <bertrand.sindri@yahoo.com>: Apr 06 09:29PM > In my old home, I had to file down plugs to fit my wall outlets.   Or you could have simply changed the non-polarized plugs out for polarized plugs, which would have been a one time effort. And then you would not have needed to file down multiple plugs to fit.

vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com: Apr 06 08:34PM The usual HP toner printers that did to sided printing ca 2009 usually smudged the toner if you did two sided printing in card stock. But the big 5555 hp copier/printer/scanner didn't choke.   How BIG does your printer have to be to reliably do two sided card stock?     -- Vasos Panagiotopoulos panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---

"Peter W." <peterwieck33@gmail.com>: Apr 06 10:01AM -0700 > "...The average cost of a 6KW solar energy system in Texas is $16,620 before incentives and $12,899 after applying Texas solar incentives."   > I may go with the zero-down option but I've been told there are drawbacks to that option.   OK: We use about 650 KWH/month, at an average cost of $16.5/KWH. Solar Panels are about 280% efficient - per day from rated output. So a 6,000 (6kw) installation will make 16.8 KW (per day). Which comes to 504 KWH/month. Assuming 100% cost avoidance - that is no maintenance, interest, financing and so forth, at our rates, we will save $83.16/month. That comes to $998 per year. $16,620/998 = 16.65 years of payback. Texas cost-of-power, on average is $0.14/kwh. Increasing the payback to 19.63 years.   Now, assuming you see fit to take the state & Federal subsidies - that is have other taxpayers cover some of your costs, the payback becomes 13 and 17 years respectively.   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

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