Digest for sci.electronics.repair@googlegroups.com - 3 updates in 1 topic

bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net>: Jun 05 01:50AM

I've been given a collection of residential service panel breakers
and would like to check them to see if they trip correctly. They
were in use before I got them, so they certainly close correctly,
but it's unknown if they trip correctly.
 
As it happens, I have an AC arc welder which can be set between
about 20 and 200 amps, with an open circuit voltage of about 80 V.
 
Anybody ever tried this? Does it seem an unrealistically harsh
test?
 
Thanks for reading,
 
bob prohaska
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>: Jun 04 11:01PM -0700

bob prohaska wrote:
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> about 20 and 200 amps, with an open circuit voltage of about 80 V.
 
> Anybody ever tried this? Does it seem an unrealistically harsh
> test?
 
** Nope - such breakers are rated to open instantly with fault currents in the thousands of amps.
At rated current they will take a while, maybe 20 minutes, since the trip mechanism is thermal rather than magnetic.
FYI:
A neat, low cost test is to connect an electro cap of about 100uF / 400V with a 6 amp series diode across the output.
The peak surge should trip the breaker pronto.
 
 
...... Phil
Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com>: Jun 05 09:17PM +1000

On 5/06/2023 11:50 am, bob prohaska wrote:
 
> Thanks for reading,
 
> bob prohaska
 
At least traditional welders (line frequency not switched mode) look
very inductive, and are designed to sustain an arc. Whilst I would hope
that the circuit breakers are able to break the arc, it is a much
harsher test than with a resistive load. If the welder is able to
sustain an arc after the circuit breaker opens, then this will destroy
the breaker.
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