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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 2:19 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

William Sommerwerck wrote:
>
> > A new site is lunched...
>
> That's what your computer is likely to be after you visit the site.
>
> Why don't these idiots get someone to write their spam in good English? It
> would be much more prepossessing.

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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 3:32 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"

>>> A new site is lunched...

>> That's what your computer is likely to be after you visit the site.
>> Why don't these idiots get someone to write their spam in good
>> English? It would be much more prepossessing.

> Have you seen the new SPAM, made with Hormell bacon? :)

There isn't much sausage or eggs in that...

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== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 6:12 pm
From: all2001@spambog.com (Wolfgang Allinger)

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>On 28/07/2010 11:18, dhananjay wrote:
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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 4:16 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

William Sommerwerck wrote:
>
> >>> A new site is lunched...
>
> >> That's what your computer is likely to be after you visit the site.
> >> Why don't these idiots get someone to write their spam in good
> >> English? It would be much more prepossessing.
>
> > Have you seen the new SPAM, made with Hormell bacon? :)
>
> There isn't much sausage or eggs in that...

'Optional Accessories!' ;-)

>
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>
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TOPIC: Restek powered studio monitors
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 2:47 pm
From: David Nebenzahl

On 7/28/2010 1:23 PM William Sommerwerck spake thus:

>> I always associated whizzer cones with the know-nothing,
>> 6x9 oval weird expensive speakers to throw in the back of
>> your car market, not anything near audiophool quality.
>> Am I wrong?
>
> Please do not equate "audiophile" with "audiophool". If nothing else, it's a
> rude insult to the people who have gotten high-quality sound reproduction to
> the point where it is.

I don't equate the two; it was just a built-in disclaimer.

To a first approximation, audiophools swear by Monster cables and
gold-plated connectors, which audiophiles do not.

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== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 3:29 pm
From: "Phil Allison"

"Ron"
>
> Didn't Phillips do something like this back in the 70's? Motion feedback
> or some such daft name?
>

** Philips MFB speakers used a piezo ceramic accelerometer mounted on the
cone.

... Phil

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 3:45 pm
From: Adam Sampson

"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> writes:

> In many many years of servicing all sorts of hifi and audio
> amplification equipment, I don't ever recall having come across a bass
> driver with a feedback coil like this.

It's a common enough arrangement for subwoofers -- the term to search
for is "servo". Proponents claim significantly lower distortion.

--
Adam Sampson <ats@offog.org> <http://offog.org/>

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 5:28 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Ron" <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
news:54KdnVpXyYEKHc3RnZ2dnUVZ7qKdnZ2d@bt.com...
> On 28/07/2010 17:50, Arfa Daily wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Didn't Phillips do something like this back in the 70's? Motion
>>>> feedback
>>>> or some such daft name?
>>>
>>> I think they called it 'David', it was a motion feedback woofer in a
>>> powered-speaker
>>> form factor. This kind of system can control the low frequency
>>> behavior
>>> of the cone very accurately. Mossbauer apparatus uses the same
>>> hardware for motion control with < .01% distortion, but that's a
>>> linear-motion
>>> measurement, no idea what the air movement effectiveness is.
>>>
>>
>> OK, both. Don't remember the Philips system, but then the company that I
>> was working for back then, didn't do much with Philips. Still, that
>> sounds like the sort of system. Those specs for the Mossbauer are
>> impressive. I guess that's the sort of thing that it's going to be,
>> given the claimed value of these things. I've just been listening to a
>> CD through them. They sound nice, and very smooth with a very flat and
>> stiff sounding bass. Quite easy on the old lug-holes, but I'm not sure
>> that I would rate them as 16 grand more easy than my home-built EMI 13 x
>> 8 cabs from the 70's ... :-)
>>
>>
>> Arfa
>
> Ahh 13 x 8's did they have the whizzer cone in the centre?
>
> --

Some of the 13 x 8s did have, and I seem to recall that some also had a
bracket fixed across the centre, which held a pair of black Mylar-coned
tweeters. The 13 x 8s that I used were the 'straight' bass version. I built
3 ways with them, using the matching EMI 8 x 5s for the mids, and they did
indeed (still do) have a whizzer cone in the middle. The mids are separately
baffled by their own sub-enclosure behind them, and inside the volume of the
bass cabs. The tweeters are Eagle aluminium domes. Very bright sound. I
picked them because I loved the clarity that they added to the top end of
the sorts of music that I was listening to back then - mainly heavy and
progressive rock. The crossovers are also Eagle. They used to make some good
products. I guess they don't exist any more. :-(

Arfa

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 5:46 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"David Nebenzahl" <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:4c508fbb$0$2390$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com...
> On 7/28/2010 12:10 PM Ron spake thus:
>
>> On 28/07/2010 17:50, Arfa Daily wrote:
>>
>>> I've just been listening to a CD through them. They sound nice, and
>>> very smooth with a very flat and stiff sounding bass. Quite easy on
>>> the old lug-holes, but I'm not sure that I would rate them as 16
>>> grand more easy than my home-built EMI 13 x 8 cabs from the 70's
>>> ... :-)
>>
>> Ahh 13 x 8's did they have the whizzer cone in the centre?
>
> Whizzer cones? Are you pulling our legs?
>
> I always associated whizzer cones with the know-nothing, 6x9 oval weird
> expensive speakers to throw in the back of your car market, not anything
> near audiophool quality. Am I wrong?
>
>

I wouldn't say that these speaker cabs, which I constructed when I was just
married and struggling for cash back in the early 70's, are especially
brilliant. They were constructed to the basic shape and volume specified by
EMI, and they gave - well actually still do give - a sound which I found
pleasing enough, and suited the types of music that I was listening to at
the time. The mids that EMI made as matching units to the bass drivers, had
a whizzer cone which was claimed to significantly increase their high
frequency response. Whether that was actually true or just a gimmick, I
never really investigated, as I fitted my cabs with a surface mounted dome
tweeter, the response of which would easily drown any top coming from the
whizzer cone on the mids.

These speakers certainly sounded better back then than pretty much anything
that came as standard with any kind of hifi rig, and were much better than
anything that I could have afforded off the shelf, as 'proper' hifi
speakers. To be honest, they still sound better even now, than much of the
crap that is sold as general hifi.

As to the audiophool thing, I'm certainly not one of those. I don't believe
at all in the purported system 'improvements' to be obtained by the fitting
of Monster hook up cables, mains filter blocks, oxygen free speaker cable as
thick as your arm and all that stuff. By the same token, I'm not what I
would describe as an audiophile either. Just someone with a reasonable ear,
and a better than Joe Average understanding of the principles of audio
reproduction, and a firm believer in the laws of diminishing return, which I
think is amply demonstrated by the apparent value of these Resteks ... :-)

Arfa

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 8:02 pm
From: Archon

On 7/28/2010 8:28 PM, Arfa Daily wrote:

> Some of the 13 x 8s did have, and I seem to recall that some also had a
> bracket fixed across the centre, which held a pair of black Mylar-coned
> tweeters. The 13 x 8s that I used were the 'straight' bass version. I
> built 3 ways with them, using the matching EMI 8 x 5s for the mids, and
> they did indeed (still do) have a whizzer cone in the middle. The mids
> are separately baffled by their own sub-enclosure behind them, and
> inside the volume of the bass cabs. The tweeters are Eagle aluminium
> domes. Very bright sound. I picked them because I loved the clarity that
> they added to the top end of the sorts of music that I was listening to
> back then - mainly heavy and progressive rock. The crossovers are also
> Eagle. They used to make some good products. I guess they don't exist
> any more. :-(
>
> Arfa

Should have built the , Kef B139, B110, T27's, built them in 1976, still
using them, still sound awesome!
JC

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 8:03 pm
From: Archon

On 7/28/2010 11:02 PM, Archon wrote:
> On 7/28/2010 8:28 PM, Arfa Daily wrote:
>
>> Some of the 13 x 8s did have, and I seem to recall that some also had a
>> bracket fixed across the centre, which held a pair of black Mylar-coned
>> tweeters. The 13 x 8s that I used were the 'straight' bass version. I
>> built 3 ways with them, using the matching EMI 8 x 5s for the mids, and
>> they did indeed (still do) have a whizzer cone in the middle. The mids
>> are separately baffled by their own sub-enclosure behind them, and
>> inside the volume of the bass cabs. The tweeters are Eagle aluminium
>> domes. Very bright sound. I picked them because I loved the clarity that
>> they added to the top end of the sorts of music that I was listening to
>> back then - mainly heavy and progressive rock. The crossovers are also
>> Eagle. They used to make some good products. I guess they don't exist
>> any more. :-(
>>
>> Arfa
>
> Should have built the HiFi Answers Transmission line speakers, Kef B139, B110, T27's, built them in 1976, still
> using them, still sound awesome!
> JC

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 5:10 pm
From: John Robertson

Years ago (1980s?) I had a program from Motorola on 1.4" floppy that
would allow me to input a characteristic and the program would reply
with a list of transistors that matched. I have long since lost it...

Has anyone got a copy or know of something similar? Motorola was
handing this out to anyone that asked, so I would assume it is
essentially public domain.

John :-#)#
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 8:37 pm
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 00:10:31 GMT, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>
wrote:

>Years ago (1980s?) I had a program from Motorola on 1.4" floppy that
>would allow me to input a characteristic and the program would reply
>with a list of transistors that matched. I have long since lost it...
>
>Has anyone got a copy or know of something similar? Motorola was
>handing this out to anyone that asked, so I would assume it is
>essentially public domain.
>
>John :-#)#

I probably have one buried somewhere. However, the associated data is
really ancient. Do you really want the old products?

The modern version is online:
<http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/library/prod_lib.jsp>
under "Parametric Seartch".

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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 11:24 pm
From: jeanyves

On 2010-07-29 05:37:42 +0200, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> said:

> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 00:10:31 GMT, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Years ago (1980s?) I had a program from Motorola on 1.4" floppy that
>> would allow me to input a characteristic and the program would reply
>> with a list of transistors that matched. I have long since lost it...
>>
>> Has anyone got a copy or know of something similar? Motorola was
>> handing this out to anyone that asked, so I would assume it is
>> essentially public domain.
>>
>> John :-#)#
>
> I probably have one buried somewhere. However, the associated data is
> really ancient. Do you really want the old products?
>
> The modern version is online:
> <http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/library/prod_lib.jsp>
> under "Parametric Seartch".

Sorry there doesnt seems to be any transistor in this modern version
quite normal freescale doesnt sell any ..

regards,
--
-
Jean-Yves

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TOPIC: Technics dv-280 stereo system -cassette dead
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 5:50 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"b" <reverend_rogers@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:82a129f8-f25c-4c76-80d1-185ebaaf929f@l14g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 28, 3:10 am, "Arfa Daily" <arfa.da...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> "b" <reverend_rog...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:7d34ed60-55eb-4174-bf68-80ec0af85389@f15g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Picked this up a few months back and just hauled it out. The units
>> > power up, and lights come on but the cassette deck stubbornly remains
>> > dead.
>>
>> > This is a 'pseudo-separates' affair, where each box is connected by
>> > means of a flat ribbon cable. The main trafo. is in the amp which then
>> > feeds a 'sound processor'/input selector box, from whence the dvd and
>> > cassette decks are fed. The dvd, which is downstream from the
>> > cassette, powers up fine. I'm assuming they use the same power rail,
>> > so will concentrate on the cassette unit first.
>> > Going to take some measurements on the cassette pcb, but I'd like the
>> > service data to speed things up, as this is quite a complex unit and
>> > it would save me the hassle of having to unscrew and open all the
>> > boxes to trace the basic voltage lines.
>>
>> > Anyone suggest a source for a schematic? Tried eserviceinfo to no
>> > avail....
>> > cheers,
>> > B
>>
>> I've sent you a set of schematics direct off-group. Let me know that you
>> get
>> them ok
>>
>> Arfa
>
> Quick update.
> Took a few measurements - all 3 entry safety resistors in the cassette
> main pcb 'psu' are fine with the correct voltages present.
> Checked Q604, which drops the 10v to 5v and that has 5v on its
> emittter. This 5v is also present on pin 5 of main pcb connector 901
> which goes to the LED/button panel.
> Checked Q602 the 9.6v regulator. Voltage present and correct there
> too.
> hmmm...
> could this be something amiss on the button /LED panel? Will do this
> next.
> As an aside, whilst I had the thing on, I noticed there is a sub pcb
> in the amp module with 3x B1548 power transistors mounted on a small
> heatsink - getting red hot, not a good sign. may or may not be
> related.
> -B

These units are known for bad joints on any heatsink-attached transistors.

Arfa

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 5:56 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> Arfa Daily wrote:
>>
>> "JW" <none@dev.null> wrote in message
>> news:ht1056l7egepmdrn9epm4ddkabbr3iquel@4ax.com...
>> > On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com>
>> > wrote in Message id: <pan.2010.07.27.12.52.02@hahahahahahahah.nutz>:
>> >
>> >>On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:35:24 -0700, El Grillo wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Thank you everyone for your help!
>> >>>
>> >>> I will try to work out some of the issues tomorrow at the shop.
>> >>>
>> >>> Also, if a filter cap tests good using a ESR meter, could it still be
>> >>> bad??
>> >>
>> >>If there is a doubt, sub it. As far as I'm concerned if it passed the
>> >>ESR
>> >>test it's good (for the time being)
>> >
>> > Well, it could be shorted. Somewhat rare for electrolytics IME, though.
>>
>> In the past, I have seen many electrolytics that were serving as rail
>> decouplers, that have gone short. The little purple 10uF's that Panasonic
>> used to litter everything that they built with, were favourites for
>> failing
>> short. As you say, doesn't seem to be as common an occurrence these days
>> as
>> it once was, though. Interestingly, I had a s/c electrolytic just today
>> (see
>> my post regarding some Restek speakers). It was one of those brown
>> plastic
>> 'Siemens' types that you used to see a lot of in Grundigs and B&O's.
>
>
> It was very rare with American built electronics. Most failures were
> open filter capacitors, or damaged 160 mF, 250 V 'Low Power Factor'
> electrolytics used in the voltage doubler power supplies. BTW, 'Low
> Power Factor' were rated in the ripple current they could handle.
> Today, they would be a Low ESR rating.
>
> The only shorted electrolytics I remember in American built
> electronics was the low voltage caps used in the cathode circuits of
> audio amps.

Interesting. I wonder why the difference ? A few years back - say 10 or so -
I would have said that I saw as many short circuit electrolytics, as any
other problems with them such as open circuit, low value, leaking, bulging
etc. Now though, short circuit is comparatively rare. As to cathode caps, I
think that I have probably seen more that were open circuit than short. Used
to be a big problem in the frame output and audio output stages of TV sets,
back in the day ...

Arfa

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 7:56 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Arfa Daily wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:0IadndnEp-heA83RnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> >
> > Arfa Daily wrote:
> >>
> >> "JW" <none@dev.null> wrote in message
> >> news:ht1056l7egepmdrn9epm4ddkabbr3iquel@4ax.com...
> >> > On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com>
> >> > wrote in Message id: <pan.2010.07.27.12.52.02@hahahahahahahah.nutz>:
> >> >
> >> >>On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:35:24 -0700, El Grillo wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Thank you everyone for your help!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I will try to work out some of the issues tomorrow at the shop.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Also, if a filter cap tests good using a ESR meter, could it still be
> >> >>> bad??
> >> >>
> >> >>If there is a doubt, sub it. As far as I'm concerned if it passed the
> >> >>ESR
> >> >>test it's good (for the time being)
> >> >
> >> > Well, it could be shorted. Somewhat rare for electrolytics IME, though.
> >>
> >> In the past, I have seen many electrolytics that were serving as rail
> >> decouplers, that have gone short. The little purple 10uF's that Panasonic
> >> used to litter everything that they built with, were favourites for
> >> failing
> >> short. As you say, doesn't seem to be as common an occurrence these days
> >> as
> >> it once was, though. Interestingly, I had a s/c electrolytic just today
> >> (see
> >> my post regarding some Restek speakers). It was one of those brown
> >> plastic
> >> 'Siemens' types that you used to see a lot of in Grundigs and B&O's.
> >
> >
> > It was very rare with American built electronics. Most failures were
> > open filter capacitors, or damaged 160 mF, 250 V 'Low Power Factor'
> > electrolytics used in the voltage doubler power supplies. BTW, 'Low
> > Power Factor' were rated in the ripple current they could handle.
> > Today, they would be a Low ESR rating.
> >
> > The only shorted electrolytics I remember in American built
> > electronics was the low voltage caps used in the cathode circuits of
> > audio amps.
>
> Interesting. I wonder why the difference ? A few years back - say 10 or so -
> I would have said that I saw as many short circuit electrolytics, as any
> other problems with them such as open circuit, low value, leaking, bulging
> etc. Now though, short circuit is comparatively rare. As to cathode caps, I
> think that I have probably seen more that were open circuit than short. Used
> to be a big problem in the frame output and audio output stages of TV sets,
> back in the day ...

Sprague had high standards, but you paid for it. Japanese crap hit
the US hard in the early '70s and you saw a lot more failed
electrolytics. Sprague started shutting down their plants as demand for
high quality electrolytics dropped. I still have a roll of aluminized
mylar from the Orlando plant, along with a partial roll of 'component
lead' they used on their famous 'Orange Drop' capacitors.

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