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TOPIC: Identify This Voltage Regulator (SiLA 8)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/5d300becd4b7799e?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 4:56 pm
From: "Robbie Hatley"
Regarding my query about the TO-92 voltage regulator marked "SiLA/8/XXXX",
"Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> said, "Try researching under the name
Silan Microeletronics". Thanks for the tip; however, I note that the Silan
Microelectronics logo given by the sites I've looked at so far are all
"script 'SL' in tilted ellipse", rather than "SiLA". Something tells me that
"SiLA" may be the logo of some other company. An alluring match of first 4
letters though; I'll look into it further to make sure.
--
Cheers,
Robbie Hatley
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 5:17 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"
Robbie Hatley wrote:
>
> Regarding my query about the TO-92 voltage regulator marked "SiLA/8/XXXX",
> "Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> said, "Try researching under the name
> Silan Microeletronics". Thanks for the tip; however, I note that the Silan
> Microelectronics logo given by the sites I've looked at so far are all
> "script 'SL' in tilted ellipse", rather than "SiLA". Something tells me that
> "SiLA" may be the logo of some other company. An alluring match of first 4
> letters though; I'll look into it further to make sure.
Are any of the regulators working? They may be in shutdown mode,
from another problem. If they are three pin it shouldn't be hard to
find the input and ground. Unsolder the remaining terminal and read the
voltage.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 5:56 pm
From: who where
On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 07:52:26 +1000, Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> wrote:
>On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:24:25 -0700, "Robbie Hatley" <see.my.sig@for.my.contact.info> wrote:
>
>>
>>Greetings, group. I'm repairing some boards that have a small voltage
>>regulator in one corner (designated "VR1"), TO-92 package (like a
>>typical small signal transistor) which I'm having trouble identifying.
>>
>>The device is marked like this:
>>
>> SiLA
>> 8
>> XXXX
>>
>>(where XXXX is a 4-digit hexidecimal date or batch code, varying
>>between devices, wheras "SiLA" and "8" are always the same)
>>
>>First off, anyone know what manufacturer has logo "SiLA"? I can't find info
>>on this.
>>
>>Secondly, how in hell can I trace a part with part number "8"???
>>Come on, mfg.... "8"??? "8"??? Surely you guys can think of a more
>>unique part number than just "8"??? Sigh. Maybe it's supposed to be
>>an 8V regulator? Seems to be putting out about 20V, though.
>
>Does the pinout match 78L08? Might be an 8V regulator.
Would need to be a "special" type for that sort of input voltage
capability - which may also be aprt of the frequent failures.
>>Could be something like a 78LXX, but may be completely different.
>>Pin 1 is connected to what I'll call A+ (100-300VDC). Pin 2 seems
>>to be the output. Pin 3 is connected to the center point of a resistive
>>voltage divider from Pin 2 to ground (Vref?). When powered up
>>on test bench I'm getting V(pin1)=200VDC, V(pin2)=18VDC,
>>V(pin3)=20VDC. Might be a 20V regulator.
>>
>>Anyone have any clues what this is? (I need to buy some, because
>>these seem to burn out frequently on these boards.)
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 10:12 pm
From: Franc Zabkar
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:24:25 -0700, "Robbie Hatley"
<see.my.sig@for.my.contact.info> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>Greetings, group. I'm repairing some boards that have a small voltage
>regulator in one corner (designated "VR1"), TO-92 package (like a
>typical small signal transistor) which I'm having trouble identifying.
>
>The device is marked like this:
>
> SiLA
> 8
> XXXX
>
>(where XXXX is a 4-digit hexidecimal date or batch code, varying
>between devices, wheras "SiLA" and "8" are always the same)
>
>First off, anyone know what manufacturer has logo "SiLA"? I can't find info
>on this.
>
>Secondly, how in hell can I trace a part with part number "8"???
>Come on, mfg.... "8"??? "8"??? Surely you guys can think of a more
>unique part number than just "8"??? Sigh. Maybe it's supposed to be
>an 8V regulator? Seems to be putting out about 20V, though.
>
>Could be something like a 78LXX, but may be completely different.
>Pin 1 is connected to what I'll call A+ (100-300VDC). Pin 2 seems
>to be the output. Pin 3 is connected to the center point of a resistive
>voltage divider from Pin 2 to ground (Vref?). When powered up
>on test bench I'm getting V(pin1)=200VDC, V(pin2)=18VDC,
>V(pin3)=20VDC. Might be a 20V regulator.
"Si" would suggest Vishay Siliconix. Siliconix makes a range of power
semis, including regulators.
Your description of the pinout would suggest that pin 3 is the
"ground" or "adjust" terminal of a 3-terminal regulator.
1 |-----| 2
Vin o-----| |-----+--o Vout
|--|--| |
3 | |
+-- R2 --|
|
R1
|
_|_
=
However, I would have expected that V2 would be greater than V3.
Furthermore, V2-V3 would be a fixed voltage (Vref), eg 1.25V or 2.5V.
The output voltage would then be ...
Vout = Vref (1 + R1 / R2)
What are the values of R2 and R1?
What voltage do you measure on a good VR1 when you disconnect the
load?
BTW, if the output were 20V, then VR1 would be dissipating ...
P = (Vout - Vin) x Iload
= 180 x Iload
This means that a 6mA load would be enough to cause the TO92 package
to dissipate 1W.
- Franc Zabkar
--
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TOPIC: Found this interesting site
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 5:14 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"
Meat Plow wrote:
>
> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 14:44:11 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> > Meat Plow wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 01:09:04 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >>
> >> > Meat Plow wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 20:49:47 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Meat Plow wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> May be of interest to some of the group RF nuts like me.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://hawkins.pair.com/radio.html
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I told you about that site a couple years ago.
> >> >>
> >> >> Well shit, I don't memorize these things.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Here is one about the different types of broadcast towers in
> >> >> > use, in
> >> >> > the US.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.fybush.com/
> >> >>
> >> >> Did you watch the VOA videos or had you seen those before?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yes, when I first found the site. I visited the VOA Bethany
> >> > (Mason,
> >> > Ohio) facility in the late '60s when it was being upgraded. The
> >> > contractors were modernizing the controll rom, and had just finished
> >> > installing the 10 new National Radio 50 KW transmitters. I also
> >> > visted the WLW site the same day and got a good look at the 500KW
> >> > transmitter.
> >>
> >> I going to try to arrange a tour of something that has that gear still
> >> in operation. Like a few Continentals some Marconis, some digital
> >> PSM/PWM gear. Listen to the hum and buzz, smell the rarefied air.
> >
> >
> > It would be hard to match the WLW or an old VOA site with so many
> > working transmitters.
> >
> > The VOA site had ten new nationals, and all the original Crosley
> > transmitters they were replacing. The Crosley were built before there
> > was television, and they caused so much TVI that they were to be
> > scrapped. The engineers said they had tried multiple modifications to
> > fix them, but nothing they could do without a complete shutdown had
> > helped.
> >
> > The Crosley transmitters were cool, art deco styling with a beautiful
> > fine grained green metal flake finish, and big glass windows. They were
> > about 25 years old, but looked brand new. That's what a station can do,
> > when they have a team of full time engineers.
> >
> > That site could produce a total 1 million watts on any frequency
> > from 2 to 30 MHz. They had a huge east west curtain antenna they used
> > to hit Russia & Europe. The new National transmitters were continuous
> > tuned, so all you had to do was dial in the desired frequency, and servo
> > motors at each stage would tun the transmitter. I was kidding with one
> > of the engineers if he had ever though about putting it on 27.185 MHz
> > any yelling, "Hey 18 wheeler, there's a Smokey on your tail!" He turned
> > pale as a sheet. Can you imagine thousands of semis slamming on their
> > brakes, all over the country? He quickly changed the subject! :)
> >
> >
> > Modern transmitters look more like a server room than a transmitter. A
> > solid state 5 KW AM transmitter isn't much more than a modulated
> > switching power supply in a single 19" enclosed relay rack. The earlier
> > Gate, Harris GE, RCA etc. were three or more racks covered with knobs &
> > meters, along with a few buttons for LV & plate controls.
>
> I find the newer pulse width and pulse step digitals fascinating not
> really knowing much about them. One Marconi 500kw does pulse step
> modulation. Raises the efficiency from 70 to 90 percent. No need for a
> 150kw audio amp just to modulate. Takes more brains then I have to design
> a smart switching supply and amp to do that like the Marconi does. And
> hell that's 1975 technology to boot.
Harris Broadcast had some white papers on their website a few years
ago that described the operation of their solid state AM transmitters,
but they had pulled them all the last time I looked. I have copies on
one of a dozen small fat 32 hard drives. I haven't had the time to move
all of the old files to one large NTFS drive yet. I just hope that they
are still readable. Maybe that idiot 'General Failure' hasn't messed
with the drive I need. ;-)
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TOPIC: Glass fibre basket retainer for 5881/6L6
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/16c10415e29b4168?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 7:31 pm
From: "hr(bob) hofmann@att.net"
On Aug 4, 2:33 am, "N_Cook" <dive...@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
> hr(bob) hofm...@att.net <hrhofm...@att.net> wrote in message
>
> news:8a5f11bb-2bf9-4e45-af3b-99679e34f885@q35g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 31, 11:03 am, "N_Cook" <dive...@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Meat Plow <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:pan.2010.07.31.15.03.11@hahahahahahahah.nutz...
>
> > > On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:20:52 +0100, N_Cook wrote:
>
> > > > Meat Plow <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:pan.2010.07.31.13.02.48@hahahahahahahah.nutz...
> > > >> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 11:07:31 +0100, N_Cook wrote:
>
> > > >> > Owner has managed to get away with dragons teeth retaining clips
> > > >> > digging into the glass envelope of his replacement type with no
> > > >> > bakelite base . How to fabricate something approximating those
> woven
> > > >> > glass mesh baskets that go over the envelope and then a pair of
> > > >> > springs down to the chassis or any other ideas other than replacing
> > > >> > with based envelope types ?
>
> > > >> > Incidently the first thing I did was undo the screws of the dragons
> > > >> > teeth in hope of relieving some of the teeth force before removing
> > > >> > the valves , but was that the correct approach?
>
> > > >> Make something like Marshall used. Metal cap and springs.
>
> > > > I don't fancy making a pierced metal dome shape, that has to avoid the
> > > > fragile central area of the glass dome. So far I'm thinking of a
> length
> > > > of high temp glass sleeving knotted into a ring, slightly smaller than
> > > > envelope circumference, with a balancing "knot" on the other side.
> Then
> > > > silicone sleeving or springs and glass sleeving down to a pair of
> solder
> > > > tags as anchors. Nasty dragons teeth chips in the bottles but they
> > > > survived
>
> > > I think making an approximation of the Marshall device is your best bet.
> > > They seem to not harm the glass in any I've worked on. And putting those
> > > kind of 5881's in a jaw clamp is just plain idiotic. Especially if the
> > > tubes hang.
>
> > Another awkwardness of the Marshall ones is the tension points must be a
> > good inch below the bottle tops and part wrap around to avoid sliding off.
> > Yes underslung 2002 German Engl E320 50W combo.
> > First time I've come across one of these , to do anything you have to take
> > the whole amp to bits. Surprisingly 2 plain washers were split, probably
> > from using a windy-drill to torque up. Even the maker's ECC83 retainers
> are
> > an awkward bodge-up, not even fully screening.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> For those of us on the west side of the big pond, are you talking
> about shields or about mounting clips to hold the tubes in place when
> they are mounted other than pins down??
>
> reply
>
> Not shields , these are output devices. We would call them retainers , just
> to keep the valve in its socket , especially when upside down like here. Of
> course shields also retain usually, dual function- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I went to the web site in an earlier message. THey had retainers and
shields. I had never seen retainers of the type they showed. So I
learned something new.
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TOPIC: mazadocom
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 10:33 pm
From: gayathri m
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TOPIC: DATUM TymServe 2000 Op/Sv Manual request
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 10:54 pm
From: Mike Tomlinson
In article <OPE6o.85413$Ua.19533@twister2.libero.it>, mauri <maREMOVEBEF
OREREPLYurinot@libero.it> writes
>I`m looking for DATUM TymServe 2000 (TS2000-GPS) Network Time Server
>Operating/Service manual -
>Copy or download option.
Maurizio, Datum were borged into Symmetricom. I've just had a look
around their website but cannot see the manual online. I'm 99% sure I
have the manual as a PDF at work (we use two TymServes, but model 2100 I
think, not 2000). I'll have a look later when I get into work and post
back.
Mike
--
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
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