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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 6 2010 2:11 am
From: stokesbr@cox.net

On Aug 4, 3:57 pm, "David Farber" <farberbear.uns...@aol.com> wrote:
> stoke...@cox.net wrote:
> > I haven't even looked at the set, but my coworker says the picture
> > suddenly lost all red color. A little research and I found this is not
> > uncommon with this set, including the diode addition fix. I'm not
> > ready to order parts, but if this is what I need, I can't locate this
> > part anywhere. Search of web and this group came up empty. Anyone here
> > know of a cross reference part or where to purchase the original?
> > Thankyou for your time.
>
> You aren't by any chance confusing the location number with the part number
> are you? The part number is, AN5862K and you can find them on eBay. Also MCM
> electronics says they are on backorder for a couple of weeks.
>
> Good luck.
>
> --
> David Farber
> Los Osos, CA

Sorry for the delay, and thanks for the reply. I posted the location
number since I figured alot of techs would be familiar with this
particular part. I did search by part number, and came up empty. I
will surf ebay and see what's available. Still haven't put my hands on
the set, but as I said, if this part is confirmed shot, want to be
able to order at that time. Thanks again.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 6 2010 9:17 pm
From: "David Farber"

stokesbr@cox.net wrote:
> On Aug 4, 3:57 pm, "David Farber" <farberbear.uns...@aol.com> wrote:
>> stoke...@cox.net wrote:
>>> I haven't even looked at the set, but my coworker says the picture
>>> suddenly lost all red color. A little research and I found this is
>>> not uncommon with this set, including the diode addition fix. I'm
>>> not ready to order parts, but if this is what I need, I can't
>>> locate this part anywhere. Search of web and this group came up
>>> empty. Anyone here know of a cross reference part or where to
>>> purchase the original? Thankyou for your time.
>>
>> You aren't by any chance confusing the location number with the part
>> number are you? The part number is, AN5862K and you can find them on
>> eBay. Also MCM electronics says they are on backorder for a couple
>> of weeks.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> --
>> David Farber
>> Los Osos, CA
>
> Sorry for the delay, and thanks for the reply. I posted the location
> number since I figured alot of techs would be familiar with this
> particular part. I did search by part number, and came up empty. I
> will surf ebay and see what's available. Still haven't put my hands on
> the set, but as I said, if this part is confirmed shot, want to be
> able to order at that time. Thanks again.

Just replace it. They fail frequently with the symptoms you noted. Here's a
link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/PANASONIC-AN5862K-/290397748187?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0

Good luck.

--
David Farber
Los Osos, CA

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 6 2010 2:56 am
From: Mike Tomlinson

In article <Goqy+NQZO6WMFwZW@jasper.org.uk>, Mike Tomlinson
<mike@jasper.org.uk> writes

> I'll have a look later when I get into work and post
>back.

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--
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 6 2010 1:03 pm
From: "mauri"

Thanks Mike for your kind and quick response.
Unfortunately, the TS2100 is different from my TS2000.
The TS2000 uses an external GPS (Trimble Accutime).

Thank you.
maurizio - Italy

"Mike Tomlinson" <mike@jasper.org.uk> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:pZMyBhAhx9WMFwOY@none.invalid...
> In article <Goqy+NQZO6WMFwZW@jasper.org.uk>, Mike Tomlinson
> <mike@jasper.org.uk> writes
>
>> I'll have a look later when I get into work and post
>>back.
>
> Found two copies. Not sure why the earlier one should be larger, but
> they're both here for you to look at:
>
> http://www.jasper.org.uk/TS/
>
> --
> Mike Tomlinson

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 6 2010 7:06 am
From: "N_Cook"

N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:i3ej86$er3$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> 1206 footprint inside a Chinese in-line smps. Amber colour showing an
> underlying zigzag track like pcb trace inductor and a tiny fuzzy bit. In
> series with 15K , only, and going between the coldside pre-rectifier hf
ac
> and the 48V dc output . Does not measure 0 ohm, not a fuse in that
> situation. Overlay marked ED201 , ED = electrostatic discharge? Note, its
on
> the cold side. "surface mount" "spark gap" in goomages threw up nothing
> Bad solder joint on the v reg should be the problem but just wanted to
check
> what this new-to-me device might be. Case cracked open painlessly
>
>

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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 6 2010 9:16 am
From: "N_Cook"

What a plonker. Now it is knocking out 48V DC, its function is obvious. It
would have been much more obvious if it was not at the edge of the board
with the L missing off the overlay designation ED201, and a more obvious
window in the casing.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 6 2010 10:38 am
From: Adrian C

On 06/08/2010 17:16, N_Cook wrote:
> What a plonker. Now it is knocking out 48V DC, its function is obvious. It
> would have been much more obvious if it was not at the edge of the board
> with the L missing off the overlay designation ED201, and a more obvious
> window in the casing.

A photon gap then?

:-)

--
Adrian C

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 12:37 am
From: "N_Cook"

Adrian C <email@here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8c2vjrF4q5U1@mid.individual.net...
> On 06/08/2010 17:16, N_Cook wrote:
> > What a plonker. Now it is knocking out 48V DC, its function is obvious.
It
> > would have been much more obvious if it was not at the edge of the board
> > with the L missing off the overlay designation ED201, and a more obvious
> > window in the casing.
>
> A photon gap then?
>
> :-)
>
> --
> Adrian C

I did discover that there are such things as SM gas discharge
tubes/arresters

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TOPIC: Identify This Voltage Regulator (SiLA 8)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/5d300becd4b7799e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 6 2010 7:37 am
From: Meat Plow

On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 16:56:33 -0700, Robbie Hatley wrote:

> Regarding my query about the TO-92 voltage regulator marked
> "SiLA/8/XXXX", "Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> said, "Try researching
> under the name Silan Microeletronics". Thanks for the tip; however, I
> note that the Silan Microelectronics logo given by the sites I've looked
> at so far are all "script 'SL' in tilted ellipse", rather than "SiLA".
> Something tells me that "SiLA" may be the logo of some other company.
> An alluring match of first 4 letters though; I'll look into it further
> to make sure.

Well it was just a suggestion and seemed reasonable to investigate
further. Why not match something up just be electrical specs? If you have
a working device to get some voltage references from I don't see a problem
with specing it out to another vendor. And since you are seeing high
failure rate, overspec it.

--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

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TOPIC: Found this interesting site
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/a9c4dd4d4e1c8343?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 6 2010 7:52 am
From: Meat Plow

On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 20:14:34 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

> Meat Plow wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 14:44:11 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>> > Meat Plow wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 01:09:04 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Meat Plow wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 20:49:47 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Meat Plow wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> May be of interest to some of the group RF nuts like me.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> http://hawkins.pair.com/radio.html
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I told you about that site a couple years ago.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Well shit, I don't memorize these things.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Here is one about the different types of broadcast towers in
>> >> >> > use, in
>> >> >> > the US.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://www.fybush.com/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Did you watch the VOA videos or had you seen those before?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, when I first found the site. I visited the VOA Bethany
>> >> > (Mason,
>> >> > Ohio) facility in the late '60s when it was being upgraded. The
>> >> > contractors were modernizing the controll rom, and had just
>> >> > finished installing the 10 new National Radio 50 KW transmitters.
>> >> > I also visted the WLW site the same day and got a good look at the
>> >> > 500KW transmitter.
>> >>
>> >> I going to try to arrange a tour of something that has that gear
>> >> still in operation. Like a few Continentals some Marconis, some
>> >> digital PSM/PWM gear. Listen to the hum and buzz, smell the rarefied
>> >> air.
>> >
>> >
>> > It would be hard to match the WLW or an old VOA site with so many
>> > working transmitters.
>> >
>> > The VOA site had ten new nationals, and all the original Crosley
>> > transmitters they were replacing. The Crosley were built before
>> > there was television, and they caused so much TVI that they were to
>> > be scrapped. The engineers said they had tried multiple
>> > modifications to fix them, but nothing they could do without a
>> > complete shutdown had helped.
>> >
>> > The Crosley transmitters were cool, art deco styling with a
>> > beautiful
>> > fine grained green metal flake finish, and big glass windows. They
>> > were about 25 years old, but looked brand new. That's what a station
>> > can do, when they have a team of full time engineers.
>> >
>> > That site could produce a total 1 million watts on any frequency
>> > from 2 to 30 MHz. They had a huge east west curtain antenna they
>> > used to hit Russia & Europe. The new National transmitters were
>> > continuous tuned, so all you had to do was dial in the desired
>> > frequency, and servo motors at each stage would tun the transmitter.
>> > I was kidding with one of the engineers if he had ever though about
>> > putting it on 27.185 MHz any yelling, "Hey 18 wheeler, there's a
>> > Smokey on your tail!" He turned pale as a sheet. Can you imagine
>> > thousands of semis slamming on their brakes, all over the country?
>> > He quickly changed the subject! :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Modern transmitters look more like a server room than a transmitter.
>> > A solid state 5 KW AM transmitter isn't much more than a modulated
>> > switching power supply in a single 19" enclosed relay rack. The
>> > earlier Gate, Harris GE, RCA etc. were three or more racks covered
>> > with knobs & meters, along with a few buttons for LV & plate
>> > controls.
>>
>> I find the newer pulse width and pulse step digitals fascinating not
>> really knowing much about them. One Marconi 500kw does pulse step
>> modulation. Raises the efficiency from 70 to 90 percent. No need for a
>> 150kw audio amp just to modulate. Takes more brains then I have to
>> design a smart switching supply and amp to do that like the Marconi
>> does. And hell that's 1975 technology to boot.
>
>
> Harris Broadcast had some white papers on their website a few years
> ago that described the operation of their solid state AM transmitters,
> but they had pulled them all the last time I looked. I have copies on
> one of a dozen small fat 32 hard drives. I haven't had the time to move
> all of the old files to one large NTFS drive yet. I just hope that they
> are still readable. Maybe that idiot 'General Failure' hasn't messed
> with the drive I need. ;-)

I'm going to google the two methods of digital AM transmitters. There are
some that still use a tube array final and some strictly solid state. One
I was looking at had an 8 devices on a card, maybe TO-3PBL type case and
each one put out 1Kw. These output modules in sync with the power
supplies are modulated by switching them on and off. I guess that's PSM.

--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 6 2010 9:40 am
From: Cydrome Leader

Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 20:14:34 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
>> Meat Plow wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 14:44:11 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>
>>> > Meat Plow wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 01:09:04 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Meat Plow wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 20:49:47 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > Meat Plow wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> May be of interest to some of the group RF nuts like me.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> http://hawkins.pair.com/radio.html
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > I told you about that site a couple years ago.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Well shit, I don't memorize these things.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > Here is one about the different types of broadcast towers in
>>> >> >> > use, in
>>> >> >> > the US.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > http://www.fybush.com/
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Did you watch the VOA videos or had you seen those before?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Yes, when I first found the site. I visited the VOA Bethany
>>> >> > (Mason,
>>> >> > Ohio) facility in the late '60s when it was being upgraded. The
>>> >> > contractors were modernizing the controll rom, and had just
>>> >> > finished installing the 10 new National Radio 50 KW transmitters.
>>> >> > I also visted the WLW site the same day and got a good look at the
>>> >> > 500KW transmitter.
>>> >>
>>> >> I going to try to arrange a tour of something that has that gear
>>> >> still in operation. Like a few Continentals some Marconis, some
>>> >> digital PSM/PWM gear. Listen to the hum and buzz, smell the rarefied
>>> >> air.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > It would be hard to match the WLW or an old VOA site with so many
>>> > working transmitters.
>>> >
>>> > The VOA site had ten new nationals, and all the original Crosley
>>> > transmitters they were replacing. The Crosley were built before
>>> > there was television, and they caused so much TVI that they were to
>>> > be scrapped. The engineers said they had tried multiple
>>> > modifications to fix them, but nothing they could do without a
>>> > complete shutdown had helped.
>>> >
>>> > The Crosley transmitters were cool, art deco styling with a
>>> > beautiful
>>> > fine grained green metal flake finish, and big glass windows. They
>>> > were about 25 years old, but looked brand new. That's what a station
>>> > can do, when they have a team of full time engineers.
>>> >
>>> > That site could produce a total 1 million watts on any frequency
>>> > from 2 to 30 MHz. They had a huge east west curtain antenna they
>>> > used to hit Russia & Europe. The new National transmitters were
>>> > continuous tuned, so all you had to do was dial in the desired
>>> > frequency, and servo motors at each stage would tun the transmitter.
>>> > I was kidding with one of the engineers if he had ever though about
>>> > putting it on 27.185 MHz any yelling, "Hey 18 wheeler, there's a
>>> > Smokey on your tail!" He turned pale as a sheet. Can you imagine
>>> > thousands of semis slamming on their brakes, all over the country?
>>> > He quickly changed the subject! :)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Modern transmitters look more like a server room than a transmitter.
>>> > A solid state 5 KW AM transmitter isn't much more than a modulated
>>> > switching power supply in a single 19" enclosed relay rack. The
>>> > earlier Gate, Harris GE, RCA etc. were three or more racks covered
>>> > with knobs & meters, along with a few buttons for LV & plate
>>> > controls.
>>>
>>> I find the newer pulse width and pulse step digitals fascinating not
>>> really knowing much about them. One Marconi 500kw does pulse step
>>> modulation. Raises the efficiency from 70 to 90 percent. No need for a
>>> 150kw audio amp just to modulate. Takes more brains then I have to
>>> design a smart switching supply and amp to do that like the Marconi
>>> does. And hell that's 1975 technology to boot.
>>
>>
>> Harris Broadcast had some white papers on their website a few years
>> ago that described the operation of their solid state AM transmitters,
>> but they had pulled them all the last time I looked. I have copies on
>> one of a dozen small fat 32 hard drives. I haven't had the time to move
>> all of the old files to one large NTFS drive yet. I just hope that they
>> are still readable. Maybe that idiot 'General Failure' hasn't messed
>> with the drive I need. ;-)
>
> I'm going to google the two methods of digital AM transmitters. There are
> some that still use a tube array final and some strictly solid state. One
> I was looking at had an 8 devices on a card, maybe TO-3PBL type case and
> each one put out 1Kw. These output modules in sync with the power
> supplies are modulated by switching them on and off. I guess that's PSM.

what sort of maintenance is required to keep those giant tube monster
walk-in transmitters running for decades?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 6 2010 10:08 am
From: Meat Plow

On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:40:27 +0000, Cydrome Leader wrote:

> Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 20:14:34 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>>> Meat Plow wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 14:44:11 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Meat Plow wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 01:09:04 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Meat Plow wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 20:49:47 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> > Meat Plow wrote:
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> May be of interest to some of the group RF nuts like me.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> http://hawkins.pair.com/radio.html
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > I told you about that site a couple years ago.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Well shit, I don't memorize these things.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> > Here is one about the different types of broadcast towers
>>>> >> >> > in use, in
>>>> >> >> > the US.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > http://www.fybush.com/
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Did you watch the VOA videos or had you seen those before?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Yes, when I first found the site. I visited the VOA Bethany
>>>> >> > (Mason,
>>>> >> > Ohio) facility in the late '60s when it was being upgraded. The
>>>> >> > contractors were modernizing the controll rom, and had just
>>>> >> > finished installing the 10 new National Radio 50 KW
>>>> >> > transmitters. I also visted the WLW site the same day and got a
>>>> >> > good look at the 500KW transmitter.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I going to try to arrange a tour of something that has that gear
>>>> >> still in operation. Like a few Continentals some Marconis, some
>>>> >> digital PSM/PWM gear. Listen to the hum and buzz, smell the
>>>> >> rarefied air.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > It would be hard to match the WLW or an old VOA site with so
>>>> > many
>>>> > working transmitters.
>>>> >
>>>> > The VOA site had ten new nationals, and all the original Crosley
>>>> > transmitters they were replacing. The Crosley were built before
>>>> > there was television, and they caused so much TVI that they were to
>>>> > be scrapped. The engineers said they had tried multiple
>>>> > modifications to fix them, but nothing they could do without a
>>>> > complete shutdown had helped.
>>>> >
>>>> > The Crosley transmitters were cool, art deco styling with a
>>>> > beautiful
>>>> > fine grained green metal flake finish, and big glass windows. They
>>>> > were about 25 years old, but looked brand new. That's what a
>>>> > station can do, when they have a team of full time engineers.
>>>> >
>>>> > That site could produce a total 1 million watts on any frequency
>>>> > from 2 to 30 MHz. They had a huge east west curtain antenna they
>>>> > used to hit Russia & Europe. The new National transmitters were
>>>> > continuous tuned, so all you had to do was dial in the desired
>>>> > frequency, and servo motors at each stage would tun the
>>>> > transmitter. I was kidding with one of the engineers if he had ever
>>>> > though about putting it on 27.185 MHz any yelling, "Hey 18 wheeler,
>>>> > there's a Smokey on your tail!" He turned pale as a sheet. Can
>>>> > you imagine thousands of semis slamming on their brakes, all over
>>>> > the country? He quickly changed the subject! :)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Modern transmitters look more like a server room than a
>>>> > transmitter. A solid state 5 KW AM transmitter isn't much more than
>>>> > a modulated switching power supply in a single 19" enclosed relay
>>>> > rack. The earlier Gate, Harris GE, RCA etc. were three or more
>>>> > racks covered with knobs & meters, along with a few buttons for LV
>>>> > & plate controls.
>>>>
>>>> I find the newer pulse width and pulse step digitals fascinating not
>>>> really knowing much about them. One Marconi 500kw does pulse step
>>>> modulation. Raises the efficiency from 70 to 90 percent. No need for
>>>> a 150kw audio amp just to modulate. Takes more brains then I have to
>>>> design a smart switching supply and amp to do that like the Marconi
>>>> does. And hell that's 1975 technology to boot.
>>>
>>>
>>> Harris Broadcast had some white papers on their website a few years
>>> ago that described the operation of their solid state AM transmitters,
>>> but they had pulled them all the last time I looked. I have copies on
>>> one of a dozen small fat 32 hard drives. I haven't had the time to
>>> move all of the old files to one large NTFS drive yet. I just hope
>>> that they are still readable. Maybe that idiot 'General Failure'
>>> hasn't messed with the drive I need. ;-)
>>
>> I'm going to google the two methods of digital AM transmitters. There
>> are some that still use a tube array final and some strictly solid
>> state. One I was looking at had an 8 devices on a card, maybe TO-3PBL
>> type case and each one put out 1Kw. These output modules in sync with
>> the power supplies are modulated by switching them on and off. I guess
>> that's PSM.
>
> what sort of maintenance is required to keep those giant tube monster
> walk-in transmitters running for decades?

Well it appears that maintaining proper cooling is number one. Some use
forced air, other are water cooled. Both are watched closely. Some of the
old RCA tubes are rebuilt because nobody makes them now. I'm sure time
tested maintenance rituals are established and the intricacies thereof
are unbeknown by me. Monitoring voltage, current levels and attending to
monitored devices running out of spec seems plausible for ensuring proper
operation. Upgrades to more efficient solid state stages in the string of
stages from start to finish where applicable is another consideration.
Considering the old Crosely stuff went into service in the late 20's one
would assume a talented staff of techs who could make broken parts or
find sources to rebuild would be a must. It's pretty complicated to keep
the old stuff on the air in my estimation. This is why most old style
facilities are retrofitting to solid state as it's easier to maintain,
much more efficient and that means much less costly to operate when the
electric bill comes in the mail. I'm sure that a 500kw site was spending
several thousand dollars a month cranking out those watts. And the
transmitters were designed to use half or part of the final output
so any still running probably use a fraction of the designed output.
Try the video link for the Voice of America tour. They explain a lot of
the operation of both old and new equipment and how they propagate their
signals.

--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 6 2010 10:51 am
From: JeffM

N_Cook wrote:
>[Blockquoted text not distinct from new text]
>
Your copy of Outbreaks In Excess is missing an important patch.
http://google.com/search?q=inurl:jain+%22+OE.doesn't.exactly.feature.the.most.intelligent.quoting.algorithm%22

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