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== 1 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 6:23 pm
From: "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:08:49 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:28:57 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
><krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:59:22 -0400, Phil Hobbs
>><pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Dave wrote:
>>>> On 22/08/2010 02:08, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It was a fast plane, but a poor design.
>>>>
>>>> Fast it was, but poor design NO.
>>>>
>>>>> They spent wads of money to
>>>>> build and maintain them, then junked the entire fleet. It was noisy and
>>>>> very fuel inefficient.
>>>>
>>>> As is any super fast jet. I should know, I spent many years working in
>>>> that environment.
>>>>
>>>>> That forced the fares so high that they weren't
>>>>> able to compete with better planes from multiple countries.
>>>>
>>>> Lots of passengers enjoyed the fact they could spend the day shopping in
>>>> another continent and be home for tea.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>Oh, come on. Anything designed in England in the 1960s has to leak oil.
>>
>>What about the electrical systems?
>>
>>>Cheers
>>>
>>>Phil Hobbs
>>>(Former Triumph owner)
> With the french on board they were not limited to Lucas electrics-
>they also had Paris-Rhone and Ducellier to choose from.
>Any experience with either of them makes Lucas look "not bad" by
>comparison.

;-)

== 2 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 6:25 pm
From: "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:23:18 +0100, ><(((°> <nospam@butfish.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:44:25 +0100, Michael A. Terrell
><mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>> salty@dog.com wrote:
>>> > On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:47:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>>> > <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Phil Hobbs wrote:
>>> >>> Dave wrote:
>>> >>>> On 22/08/2010 02:08, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> It was a fast plane, but a poor design.
>>> >>>> Fast it was, but poor design NO.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> They spent wads of money to
>>> >>>>> build and maintain them, then junked the entire fleet. It was
>>> noisy and
>>> >>>>> very fuel inefficient.
>>> >>>> As is any super fast jet. I should know, I spent many years
>>> working in
>>> >>>> that environment.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> That forced the fares so high that they weren't
>>> >>>>> able to compete with better planes from multiple countries.
>>> >>>> Lots of passengers enjoyed the fact they could spend the day
>>> shopping in
>>> >>>> another continent and be home for tea.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Dave
>>> >>> Oh, come on. Anything designed in England in the 1960s has to leak
>>> oil.
>>> >>
>>> >> Even their lightbulbs.
>>> >
>>> > Many years ago in a previous life, radio host Don Imus brought me his
>>> > Triumph Motorcycle to look at because the headlight as in fact,
>>> > leaking oil!
>>> >
>>> > Long story short: Bad oil pressure sending unit had it's wire lead
>>> > encased in a plastic spaghetti tube that ran up along the frame to the
>>> > headlight housing. Oil was running up through the spaghetti tubing and
>>> > collecting in the headlight housing. When he parked, it would drip
>>> > out.
>>> >
>>> Now if that had been an American Hog, it would have been a cunning
>>> feature to prevent the headlight corroding.
>>>
>>> You guys cant even get a sub zero O-ring to work.
>>>
>>> And no one in their right minds not doing pork barrel politics would
>>> glue a rocket together with an O ring anyway.
>>>
>>> An engineer, it has been said, is someone who can do for sixpence what
>>> any damned fool can do for a quid.
>>>
>>> Or any American company for $10,000 of course.
>>
>>
>>
>> And yet you poor, mindless blokes haven't launched anything to the
>> moon, let alone get it back.
>
>I cant understand you peeps on the west side of the pond bragging about
>being technically superior to Europeans.
>Since the US was originally colonized by a mix of either Spanish, French,
>Portuguese, Dutch or English, your all of European descent anyway.

Yes, all the smart ones left.

>You've just developed funny ways and attitudes since!

Wrong, the attitude came first. There was a reason people left that hell
hole.

== 3 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 6:26 pm
From: "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:39:56 -0400, salty@dog.com wrote:

>On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:48:48 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
><mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>salty@dog.com wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:47:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>>> <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Phil Hobbs wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Dave wrote:
>>> >> > On 22/08/2010 02:08, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> It was a fast plane, but a poor design.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Fast it was, but poor design NO.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> They spent wads of money to
>>> >> >> build and maintain them, then junked the entire fleet. It was noisy and
>>> >> >> very fuel inefficient.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > As is any super fast jet. I should know, I spent many years working in
>>> >> > that environment.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> That forced the fares so high that they weren't
>>> >> >> able to compete with better planes from multiple countries.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Lots of passengers enjoyed the fact they could spend the day shopping in
>>> >> > another continent and be home for tea.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Dave
>>> >> Oh, come on. Anything designed in England in the 1960s has to leak oil.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Even their lightbulbs.
>>>
>>> Many years ago in a previous life, radio host Don Imus brought me his
>>> Triumph Motorcycle to look at because the headlight as in fact,
>>> leaking oil!
>>>
>>> Long story short: Bad oil pressure sending unit had it's wire lead
>>> encased in a plastic spaghetti tube that ran up along the frame to the
>>> headlight housing. Oil was running up through the spaghetti tubing and
>>> collecting in the headlight housing. When he parked, it would drip
>>> out.
>>
>>
>> One look at Imus, and you knew it wasn't hair oil. ;-)
>
>He was very well lubricated, himself, back when I knew him.

But not with oil. He used white, dry, "lubricant". THat was when he was
funny.

== 4 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 6:57 pm
From: The Daring Dufas

On 8/23/2010 2:28 PM, john hamilton wrote:
> "Paul"<23023@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8d58njF43gU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 19/08/2010 04:46, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 19/08/2010 01:27, The Daring Dufas wrote:
>>>>> On 8/18/2010 6:33 PM, geoff wrote:
>>>>>> In message<i4hmat$blj$2@news.eternal-september.org>, The Daring Dufas
>>>>>> <the-daring-dufas@peckerhead.net> writes
>>>>>>> On 8/18/2010 4:17 PM, geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message<i4hhb1$np$1@news.eternal-september.org>, The Daring Dufas
>>>>>>>> <the-daring-dufas@peckerhead.net> writes
>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2010 12:43 PM, john hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I have to connect this AAA battery holder to a toy. Although I
>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>> small
>>>>>>>>>> soldering iron, my soldering skills are poor. I can see myself
>>>>>>>>>> easily
>>>>>>>>>> melting all the plastic around the contacts before I can get
>>>>>>>>>> anything to
>>>>>>>>>> stick to the tabs. (The part of the tabs with the small hole will
>>>>>>>>>> bend
>>>>>>>>>> upwards giving some clearence).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://tinypic.com/r/iqx3pf/4
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My immediate plan is to poke a few strands of wire through the
>>>>>>>>>> holes
>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>> connection tabs twist and then apply some nail varnish to stop it
>>>>>>>>>> unwinding.
>>>>>>>>>> Since its a toy it does not need to be totally foolproof.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If anyone had any ideas that were a bit more sophisticated I would
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> gratefull. Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you are familiar with faston connectors, you can trim the
>>>>>>>>> terminals with scissors or wire cutters so a connector will
>>>>>>>>> slip on to them. The connectors are available in many sizes
>>>>>>>>> with the 1/4" being the most common. I believe The Shack,
>>>>>>>>> formally Radio Shack carries several sizes. Here's a link
>>>>>>>>> to a manufacturer that produces many types so you can see
>>>>>>>>> what I'm referring to:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.etco.com/category.php?cat=18&div=ep&l=e
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Excuse me, but is the OP a Septic or English ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If he/she/it is English, it's bugger all use pointing them at Septic
>>>>>>>> outlets, is it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sorry, I have absolutely no idea what you are writing
>>>>>>> about. Could you find someone to translate it into American?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Septic tank = yank
>>>>>>
>>>>>> duh - colonials
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Um, the cultural education is nice but what's it got to do
>>>>> with electrical connections to a battery holder? Bizarre is
>>>>> fun but at least I try to keep my jokes within the subject
>>>>> matter being discussed. 8-)
>>>>>> TDD
>>>>>> It was... Radio Shack used to have UK outlets (but seemed to have
>>>> vanished), but the link above was certainly for their US replacement...
>>>>
>> Its a long way to go for a battery holder..
>>>>
>>> Yes. All the way to your mail box. Of course, that may require you
>>> to get out of your chair and actually walk.
>>>
>> And pay three times the value in shipping and taxes
>
> =============================================================================
>
> Many thanks to all. The push on brass connectors are a welcome solution,
> many thanks. I can easily buy those at Maplins.
>
> To throw a little light on this unnecessary rudeness to our American
> cousins. The expression Amearkin came up because in the U.S. they could say
> American so quickly it sounded like Amearkin. So across the pond they became
> Amearkins...quite harmless.
>
> However some low lifes changed this to Merkins. A few hundred years ago in
> order to deal with body lice, ladies would shave their lower private parts.
> Since this was deamed un-attractive, they could buy small triangular wigs
> which were called...you guessed it Merkins. Please dont let the low-lifes
> get you down, we have as many here as you have there. And they just love the
> internet.
>
>

Teasing is part of the Usenet experience, if we didn't like you we
wouldn't even respond to you. You get a bunch of guys together and
they are going to throw jabs at each other and kid around. It's
basically what we call horseplay. It's like those celebrity roasts
that are shown on TV, some of the most horrible and vile insults
are thrown about by friends. 8-)

TDD

== 5 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 7:09 pm
From: The Daring Dufas

On 8/23/2010 4:53 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>> However the Russians did have significantly more advanced
>> rocket engines. NASA have been using the designs to make
>> their rockets better.
>
> Where do you get this?
>
> The Saturn was unusual, possibly unique, in that it was (apparently) the
> only rocket that never failed.
>
>

I remember reading something about it written by Wernher von Braun.
He wrote that they checked and rechecked those rockets over and over
again more than they had ever tested any of them before. They wanted
zero defects. Apollo 13 was a bit of a fail and the tragic fire on
the pad that killed three astronauts led to an extensive redesign and
stringent quality control measures for the whole program. Gosh, I have
to wonder if we're up to the task to accomplish the same thing today?

TDD

== 6 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 7:44 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:18:10 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:49:07 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:06:46 +0100, "dennis@home"
>><dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in message
>>>news:4C71E4B4.9020802@electrooptical.net...
>>>
>>>> Sorry? Where was supersonic flight first achieved, again/
>>>
>>>Germany, 1943?
>>
>>
>>Chuck Yeager, Bell X-1, Muroc Dry Lake, Mojave desert, California,
>>USA, October 14, 1947
>>The first successfull manned supersonic flight in history.
>
>First supersonic airplane in level flight. Several broke the sound barrier,
>in dives, before the X-1.
>
A dive isn't flight - it's a "powered fall"

== 7 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 8:49 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

The Daring Dufas wrote:
>
> On 8/23/2010 2:28 PM, john hamilton wrote:
> > "Paul"<23023@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:8d58njF43gU1@mid.individual.net...
> >> On 19/08/2010 04:46, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Paul wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 19/08/2010 01:27, The Daring Dufas wrote:
> >>>>> On 8/18/2010 6:33 PM, geoff wrote:
> >>>>>> In message<i4hmat$blj$2@news.eternal-september.org>, The Daring Dufas
> >>>>>> <the-daring-dufas@peckerhead.net> writes
> >>>>>>> On 8/18/2010 4:17 PM, geoff wrote:
> >>>>>>>> In message<i4hhb1$np$1@news.eternal-september.org>, The Daring Dufas
> >>>>>>>> <the-daring-dufas@peckerhead.net> writes
> >>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2010 12:43 PM, john hamilton wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> I have to connect this AAA battery holder to a toy. Although I
> >>>>>>>>>> have a
> >>>>>>>>>> small
> >>>>>>>>>> soldering iron, my soldering skills are poor. I can see myself
> >>>>>>>>>> easily
> >>>>>>>>>> melting all the plastic around the contacts before I can get
> >>>>>>>>>> anything to
> >>>>>>>>>> stick to the tabs. (The part of the tabs with the small hole will
> >>>>>>>>>> bend
> >>>>>>>>>> upwards giving some clearence).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> http://tinypic.com/r/iqx3pf/4
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> My immediate plan is to poke a few strands of wire through the
> >>>>>>>>>> holes
> >>>>>>>>>> in the
> >>>>>>>>>> connection tabs twist and then apply some nail varnish to stop it
> >>>>>>>>>> unwinding.
> >>>>>>>>>> Since its a toy it does not need to be totally foolproof.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If anyone had any ideas that were a bit more sophisticated I would
> >>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>> gratefull. Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If you are familiar with faston connectors, you can trim the
> >>>>>>>>> terminals with scissors or wire cutters so a connector will
> >>>>>>>>> slip on to them. The connectors are available in many sizes
> >>>>>>>>> with the 1/4" being the most common. I believe The Shack,
> >>>>>>>>> formally Radio Shack carries several sizes. Here's a link
> >>>>>>>>> to a manufacturer that produces many types so you can see
> >>>>>>>>> what I'm referring to:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.etco.com/category.php?cat=18&div=ep&l=e
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Excuse me, but is the OP a Septic or English ?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If he/she/it is English, it's bugger all use pointing them at Septic
> >>>>>>>> outlets, is it?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm sorry, I have absolutely no idea what you are writing
> >>>>>>> about. Could you find someone to translate it into American?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Septic tank = yank
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> duh - colonials
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Um, the cultural education is nice but what's it got to do
> >>>>> with electrical connections to a battery holder? Bizarre is
> >>>>> fun but at least I try to keep my jokes within the subject
> >>>>> matter being discussed. 8-)
> >>>>>> TDD
> >>>>>> It was... Radio Shack used to have UK outlets (but seemed to have
> >>>> vanished), but the link above was certainly for their US replacement...
> >>>>
> >> Its a long way to go for a battery holder..
> >>>>
> >>> Yes. All the way to your mail box. Of course, that may require you
> >>> to get out of your chair and actually walk.
> >>>
> >> And pay three times the value in shipping and taxes
> >
> > =============================================================================
> >
> > Many thanks to all. The push on brass connectors are a welcome solution,
> > many thanks. I can easily buy those at Maplins.
> >
> > To throw a little light on this unnecessary rudeness to our American
> > cousins. The expression Amearkin came up because in the U.S. they could say
> > American so quickly it sounded like Amearkin. So across the pond they became
> > Amearkins...quite harmless.
> >
> > However some low lifes changed this to Merkins. A few hundred years ago in
> > order to deal with body lice, ladies would shave their lower private parts.
> > Since this was deamed un-attractive, they could buy small triangular wigs
> > which were called...you guessed it Merkins. Please dont let the low-lifes
> > get you down, we have as many here as you have there. And they just love the
> > internet.
> >
> >
>
> Teasing is part of the Usenet experience, if we didn't like you we
> wouldn't even respond to you. You get a bunch of guys together and
> they are going to throw jabs at each other and kid around. It's
> basically what we call horseplay. It's like those celebrity roasts
> that are shown on TV, some of the most horrible and vile insults
> are thrown about by friends. 8-)

And if the 'friends' go too far, you throw them out! ;-)

== 8 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 8:51 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Frank Erskine wrote:
>
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:47:42 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"dennis@home" wrote:
> >>
> >> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >> news:GIednWq1m4RfUe_RnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> >>
> >> >> They have the space shuttle, the only thing faster than that was Apollo
> >> >> but
> >> >> that's old technology borrowed from the Germans.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The crappy V2 rockets that they rianed down on gay old England?
> >>
> >> Well the Saturn V wasn't exactly advanced compared to a V2.
> >
> >
> > Sigh. the Saturn V was a Model A. The V2 was a model T. Both
> >designed in the days of slide rules, and poor metalurgy.
>
> Hey - what's the matter with slide rules? I still use mine (fairly)
> regularly.

Good for you, but .1% resistors and 1% capacitors are common these
days. I was using them 10 years ago.

== 9 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 8:56 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

><(((°> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:44:25 +0100, Michael A. Terrell
> <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >>
> >> salty@dog.com wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:47:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> >> > <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Phil Hobbs wrote:
> >> >>> Dave wrote:
> >> >>>> On 22/08/2010 02:08, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> It was a fast plane, but a poor design.
> >> >>>> Fast it was, but poor design NO.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> They spent wads of money to
> >> >>>>> build and maintain them, then junked the entire fleet. It was
> >> noisy and
> >> >>>>> very fuel inefficient.
> >> >>>> As is any super fast jet. I should know, I spent many years
> >> working in
> >> >>>> that environment.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> That forced the fares so high that they weren't
> >> >>>>> able to compete with better planes from multiple countries.
> >> >>>> Lots of passengers enjoyed the fact they could spend the day
> >> shopping in
> >> >>>> another continent and be home for tea.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Dave
> >> >>> Oh, come on. Anything designed in England in the 1960s has to leak
> >> oil.
> >> >>
> >> >> Even their lightbulbs.
> >> >
> >> > Many years ago in a previous life, radio host Don Imus brought me his
> >> > Triumph Motorcycle to look at because the headlight as in fact,
> >> > leaking oil!
> >> >
> >> > Long story short: Bad oil pressure sending unit had it's wire lead
> >> > encased in a plastic spaghetti tube that ran up along the frame to the
> >> > headlight housing. Oil was running up through the spaghetti tubing and
> >> > collecting in the headlight housing. When he parked, it would drip
> >> > out.
> >> >
> >> Now if that had been an American Hog, it would have been a cunning
> >> feature to prevent the headlight corroding.
> >>
> >> You guys cant even get a sub zero O-ring to work.
> >>
> >> And no one in their right minds not doing pork barrel politics would
> >> glue a rocket together with an O ring anyway.
> >>
> >> An engineer, it has been said, is someone who can do for sixpence what
> >> any damned fool can do for a quid.
> >>
> >> Or any American company for $10,000 of course.
> >
> >
> >
> > And yet you poor, mindless blokes haven't launched anything to the
> > moon, let alone get it back.
>
> I cant understand you peeps on the west side of the pond bragging about
> being technically superior to Europeans.
> Since the US was originally colonized by a mix of either Spanish, French,
> Portuguese, Dutch or English, your all of European descent anyway.

Which was the first wave of European Brain Drain.

> You've just developed funny ways and attitudes since!

Sure, if you consider a strong drive to do what others won't, or
can't. Freedoms you never had in Europe. No overbearing and antiquated
royal families.

== 10 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 8:57 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

salty@dog.com wrote:
>
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:48:48 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >salty@dog.com wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:47:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> >> <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Phil Hobbs wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Dave wrote:
> >> >> > On 22/08/2010 02:08, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> It was a fast plane, but a poor design.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Fast it was, but poor design NO.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> They spent wads of money to
> >> >> >> build and maintain them, then junked the entire fleet. It was noisy and
> >> >> >> very fuel inefficient.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As is any super fast jet. I should know, I spent many years working in
> >> >> > that environment.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> That forced the fares so high that they weren't
> >> >> >> able to compete with better planes from multiple countries.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Lots of passengers enjoyed the fact they could spend the day shopping in
> >> >> > another continent and be home for tea.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Dave
> >> >> Oh, come on. Anything designed in England in the 1960s has to leak oil.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Even their lightbulbs.
> >>
> >> Many years ago in a previous life, radio host Don Imus brought me his
> >> Triumph Motorcycle to look at because the headlight as in fact,
> >> leaking oil!
> >>
> >> Long story short: Bad oil pressure sending unit had it's wire lead
> >> encased in a plastic spaghetti tube that ran up along the frame to the
> >> headlight housing. Oil was running up through the spaghetti tubing and
> >> collecting in the headlight housing. When he parked, it would drip
> >> out.
> >
> >
> > One look at Imus, and you knew it wasn't hair oil. ;-)
>
> He was very well lubricated, himself, back when I knew him.

Teflon in his beer?

== 11 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 9:32 pm
From: "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:44:54 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:18:10 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
><krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:49:07 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:06:46 +0100, "dennis@home"
>>><dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:4C71E4B4.9020802@electrooptical.net...
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry? Where was supersonic flight first achieved, again/
>>>>
>>>>Germany, 1943?
>>>
>>>
>>>Chuck Yeager, Bell X-1, Muroc Dry Lake, Mojave desert, California,
>>>USA, October 14, 1947
>>>The first successfull manned supersonic flight in history.
>>
>>First supersonic airplane in level flight. Several broke the sound barrier,
>>in dives, before the X-1.
>>
>A dive isn't flight - it's a "powered fall"

Agreed. ...just wanted to set the record straight before the Europeons came
unglued, again.

== 12 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 9:33 pm
From: "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:57:25 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>salty@dog.com wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:48:48 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >salty@dog.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:47:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> >> <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Phil Hobbs wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dave wrote:
>> >> >> > On 22/08/2010 02:08, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> It was a fast plane, but a poor design.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Fast it was, but poor design NO.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> They spent wads of money to
>> >> >> >> build and maintain them, then junked the entire fleet. It was noisy and
>> >> >> >> very fuel inefficient.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > As is any super fast jet. I should know, I spent many years working in
>> >> >> > that environment.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> That forced the fares so high that they weren't
>> >> >> >> able to compete with better planes from multiple countries.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Lots of passengers enjoyed the fact they could spend the day shopping in
>> >> >> > another continent and be home for tea.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Dave
>> >> >> Oh, come on. Anything designed in England in the 1960s has to leak oil.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Even their lightbulbs.
>> >>
>> >> Many years ago in a previous life, radio host Don Imus brought me his
>> >> Triumph Motorcycle to look at because the headlight as in fact,
>> >> leaking oil!
>> >>
>> >> Long story short: Bad oil pressure sending unit had it's wire lead
>> >> encased in a plastic spaghetti tube that ran up along the frame to the
>> >> headlight housing. Oil was running up through the spaghetti tubing and
>> >> collecting in the headlight housing. When he parked, it would drip
>> >> out.
>> >
>> >
>> > One look at Imus, and you knew it wasn't hair oil. ;-)
>>
>> He was very well lubricated, himself, back when I knew him.
>
>
> Teflon in his beer?

No beer. I believe his favorite was vodka and coke. It may have been Gin and
coke, but it's been 30 years since I listened regularly.

== 13 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 10:56 pm
From: The Daring Dufas

On 8/23/2010 10:49 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> The Daring Dufas wrote:
>>
>> On 8/23/2010 2:28 PM, john hamilton wrote:
>>> "Paul"<23023@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:8d58njF43gU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 19/08/2010 04:46, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19/08/2010 01:27, The Daring Dufas wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/18/2010 6:33 PM, geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message<i4hmat$blj$2@news.eternal-september.org>, The Daring Dufas
>>>>>>>> <the-daring-dufas@peckerhead.net> writes
>>>>>>>>> On 8/18/2010 4:17 PM, geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In message<i4hhb1$np$1@news.eternal-september.org>, The Daring Dufas
>>>>>>>>>> <the-daring-dufas@peckerhead.net> writes
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2010 12:43 PM, john hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to connect this AAA battery holder to a toy. Although I
>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> small
>>>>>>>>>>>> soldering iron, my soldering skills are poor. I can see myself
>>>>>>>>>>>> easily
>>>>>>>>>>>> melting all the plastic around the contacts before I can get
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything to
>>>>>>>>>>>> stick to the tabs. (The part of the tabs with the small hole will
>>>>>>>>>>>> bend
>>>>>>>>>>>> upwards giving some clearence).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinypic.com/r/iqx3pf/4
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My immediate plan is to poke a few strands of wire through the
>>>>>>>>>>>> holes
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> connection tabs twist and then apply some nail varnish to stop it
>>>>>>>>>>>> unwinding.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Since its a toy it does not need to be totally foolproof.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone had any ideas that were a bit more sophisticated I would
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> gratefull. Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you are familiar with faston connectors, you can trim the
>>>>>>>>>>> terminals with scissors or wire cutters so a connector will
>>>>>>>>>>> slip on to them. The connectors are available in many sizes
>>>>>>>>>>> with the 1/4" being the most common. I believe The Shack,
>>>>>>>>>>> formally Radio Shack carries several sizes. Here's a link
>>>>>>>>>>> to a manufacturer that produces many types so you can see
>>>>>>>>>>> what I'm referring to:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.etco.com/category.php?cat=18&div=ep&l=e
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Excuse me, but is the OP a Septic or English ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If he/she/it is English, it's bugger all use pointing them at Septic
>>>>>>>>>> outlets, is it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry, I have absolutely no idea what you are writing
>>>>>>>>> about. Could you find someone to translate it into American?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Septic tank = yank
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> duh - colonials
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Um, the cultural education is nice but what's it got to do
>>>>>>> with electrical connections to a battery holder? Bizarre is
>>>>>>> fun but at least I try to keep my jokes within the subject
>>>>>>> matter being discussed. 8-)
>>>>>>>> TDD
>>>>>>>> It was... Radio Shack used to have UK outlets (but seemed to have
>>>>>> vanished), but the link above was certainly for their US replacement...
>>>>>>
>>>> Its a long way to go for a battery holder..
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. All the way to your mail box. Of course, that may require you
>>>>> to get out of your chair and actually walk.
>>>>>
>>>> And pay three times the value in shipping and taxes
>>>
>>> =============================================================================
>>>
>>> Many thanks to all. The push on brass connectors are a welcome solution,
>>> many thanks. I can easily buy those at Maplins.
>>>
>>> To throw a little light on this unnecessary rudeness to our American
>>> cousins. The expression Amearkin came up because in the U.S. they could say
>>> American so quickly it sounded like Amearkin. So across the pond they became
>>> Amearkins...quite harmless.
>>>
>>> However some low lifes changed this to Merkins. A few hundred years ago in
>>> order to deal with body lice, ladies would shave their lower private parts.
>>> Since this was deamed un-attractive, they could buy small triangular wigs
>>> which were called...you guessed it Merkins. Please dont let the low-lifes
>>> get you down, we have as many here as you have there. And they just love the
>>> internet.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Teasing is part of the Usenet experience, if we didn't like you we
>> wouldn't even respond to you. You get a bunch of guys together and
>> they are going to throw jabs at each other and kid around. It's
>> basically what we call horseplay. It's like those celebrity roasts
>> that are shown on TV, some of the most horrible and vile insults
>> are thrown about by friends. 8-)
>
>
> And if the 'friends' go too far, you throw them out! ;-)

The only time I've seen that happen is when someone attacks the family
or children of a nasty poster. I'll pounce and tell them to leave the
uninvolved folks out of it. One particularly foul individual posted a
farewell to his grandmother who had just passed away and a rival started
making fun of the late old woman. I let him know real quick it was in
bad taste and to direct his anger at Mr. Nasty and not someone who was
defenseless. There is such a thing as propriety.

TDD

== 14 of 15 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 11:10 pm
From: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)

john hamilton <bluestar95@mail.invalid> wrote:

> To throw a little light on this unnecessary rudeness to our American
> cousins. The expression Amearkin came up because in the U.S. they could say
> American so quickly it sounded like Amearkin. So across the pond they became
> Amearkins...quite harmless.
>
> However some low lifes changed this to Merkins.

Well no, they were known as Merkins long before the the term "amearkin"
and you seem to be a tedious, humourless twot.

Go off and play with the Shermans they seem your sort of people.

== 15 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 12:01 am
From: "dennis@home"

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:WoednSxKVLEIce_RnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
> "dennis@home" wrote:
>>
>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:GIednWq1m4RfUe_RnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>
>> >> They have the space shuttle, the only thing faster than that was
>> >> Apollo
>> >> but
>> >> that's old technology borrowed from the Germans.
>> >
>> >
>> > The crappy V2 rockets that they rianed down on gay old England?
>>
>> Well the Saturn V wasn't exactly advanced compared to a V2.
>
>
> Sigh. the Saturn V was a Model A. The V2 was a model T. Both
> designed in the days of slide rules, and poor metalurgy. Tube
> electronics and crude plastics. Do you have anything useful to say?
>
>> They were both more or less the same.
>> However the Russians did have significantly more advanced rocket engines.
>
>
> They built bigger engines, typical of Russian designs. Scale up
> something, then everthing else needed the same.

You don't know much do you?
They actually made smaller engines, it was NASA that scaled them up.
The Russians redesigned them to get more thrust from the same size.

They did build a bigger rocket, they could do this as they had more thrust
available from their better engines.

Did you know that when the US military launched a shuttle they didn't have
boosters with O rings in them?
This was because they were better without the O rings but cost more.
NASA were cheapskates.
>
>> NASA have been using the designs to make their rockets better.
>
>
> Proof?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 6:51 pm
From: thebest

Distress sale by owner/occupant, Patrick Michael Jost

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 7:36 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Bob Villa wrote:
>
> On Aug 23, 2:50 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > Bob Villa wrote:
> >
> > > On Aug 23, 12:24 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > RichTravsky wrote:
> >
> > > > > fitz wrote:
> >
> > > > > > Why we have Gravity
> >
> > > > > > A correct theory of gravity will show us these four (4) things:
> > > > > > 1. It will show us why gravity also acts like acceleration (principle
> > > > > > of equvalence).
> > > > > > 2. It will show us the actual cause of gravity.
> > > > > > 3. It will show us why gravitational mass and inertial mass are
> > > > > > identical.
> > > > > > 4. It will show us the speed of gravitational attraction.
> >
> > > > > > Newton said gravity was acting at a much faster speed than Einstein.
> >
> > > > > Well, the average running speed of a human is around 10 mph. Sprints, the
> > > > > record is under 30 mph. I don't know how athletic Einstein was so we could
> > > > > use a figure of 3 mph walking speed. Nice to set some lower boundaries
> > > > > on the SoG (speed of gravity).
> >
> > > > Slow Old Geezers.
> >
> > > I resemble that remark!
> >
> > Admitting it is the first step to recovery! ;-)
>
> There is no recovery...slow, old geezers only get slower.

Shut up, and take your medication before the nurse calls the
orderlies! ;-)

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 7:57 pm
From: Dan

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> Bob Villa wrote:
>> On Aug 23, 2:50 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Bob Villa wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 23, 12:24 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> RichTravsky wrote:
>>>>>> fitz wrote:
>>>>>>> Why we have Gravity
>>>>>>> A correct theory of gravity will show us these four (4) things:
>>>>>>> 1. It will show us why gravity also acts like acceleration (principle
>>>>>>> of equvalence).
>>>>>>> 2. It will show us the actual cause of gravity.
>>>>>>> 3. It will show us why gravitational mass and inertial mass are
>>>>>>> identical.
>>>>>>> 4. It will show us the speed of gravitational attraction.
>>>>>>> Newton said gravity was acting at a much faster speed than Einstein.
>>>>>> Well, the average running speed of a human is around 10 mph. Sprints, the
>>>>>> record is under 30 mph. I don't know how athletic Einstein was so we could
>>>>>> use a figure of 3 mph walking speed. Nice to set some lower boundaries
>>>>>> on the SoG (speed of gravity).
>>>>> Slow Old Geezers.
>>>> I resemble that remark!
>>> Admitting it is the first step to recovery! ;-)
>> There is no recovery...slow, old geezers only get slower.
>
>
> Shut up, and take your medication before the nurse calls the
> orderlies! ;-)

Get off my lawn, you young whippersnapper.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 8:59 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Dan wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> > Bob Villa wrote:
> >> On Aug 23, 2:50 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Bob Villa wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 23, 12:24 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> RichTravsky wrote:
> >>>>>> fitz wrote:
> >>>>>>> Why we have Gravity
> >>>>>>> A correct theory of gravity will show us these four (4) things:
> >>>>>>> 1. It will show us why gravity also acts like acceleration (principle
> >>>>>>> of equvalence).
> >>>>>>> 2. It will show us the actual cause of gravity.
> >>>>>>> 3. It will show us why gravitational mass and inertial mass are
> >>>>>>> identical.
> >>>>>>> 4. It will show us the speed of gravitational attraction.
> >>>>>>> Newton said gravity was acting at a much faster speed than Einstein.
> >>>>>> Well, the average running speed of a human is around 10 mph. Sprints, the
> >>>>>> record is under 30 mph. I don't know how athletic Einstein was so we could
> >>>>>> use a figure of 3 mph walking speed. Nice to set some lower boundaries
> >>>>>> on the SoG (speed of gravity).
> >>>>> Slow Old Geezers.
> >>>> I resemble that remark!
> >>> Admitting it is the first step to recovery! ;-)
> >> There is no recovery...slow, old geezers only get slower.
> >
> >
> > Shut up, and take your medication before the nurse calls the
> > orderlies! ;-)
>
> Get off my lawn, you young whippersnapper.

Make me! I have to warn you that I'm not afraid to use my VA issued
cane.

Is that Nurse Ratchet behind you?

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 9:38 pm
From: Dan

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> Dan wrote:
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> Bob Villa wrote:
>>>> On Aug 23, 2:50 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 23, 12:24 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> RichTravsky wrote:
>>>>>>>> fitz wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Why we have Gravity
>>>>>>>>> A correct theory of gravity will show us these four (4) things:
>>>>>>>>> 1. It will show us why gravity also acts like acceleration (principle
>>>>>>>>> of equvalence).
>>>>>>>>> 2. It will show us the actual cause of gravity.
>>>>>>>>> 3. It will show us why gravitational mass and inertial mass are
>>>>>>>>> identical.
>>>>>>>>> 4. It will show us the speed of gravitational attraction.
>>>>>>>>> Newton said gravity was acting at a much faster speed than Einstein.
>>>>>>>> Well, the average running speed of a human is around 10 mph. Sprints, the
>>>>>>>> record is under 30 mph. I don't know how athletic Einstein was so we could
>>>>>>>> use a figure of 3 mph walking speed. Nice to set some lower boundaries
>>>>>>>> on the SoG (speed of gravity).
>>>>>>> Slow Old Geezers.
>>>>>> I resemble that remark!
>>>>> Admitting it is the first step to recovery! ;-)
>>>> There is no recovery...slow, old geezers only get slower.
>>>
>>> Shut up, and take your medication before the nurse calls the
>>> orderlies! ;-)
>> Get off my lawn, you young whippersnapper.
>
>
> Make me! I have to warn you that I'm not afraid to use my VA issued
> cane.
>
>
> Is that Nurse Ratchet behind you?

No, it's Nurse Diesel and she wants to give you an exam.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

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