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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 5:30 am
From: The Natural Philosopher

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> "dennis@home" wrote:
>> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:i4uqlg$k7r$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> However the Russians did have significantly more advanced
>>>> rocket engines. NASA have been using the designs to make
>>>> their rockets better.
>>> Where do you get this?
>> Well one of the problems with the big engines NASA was using was getting the
>> fuel in fast enough.
>> They did this by fitting big pumps.
>> Apparently the Russians used a turbine powered by the rocket to achieve it,
>> something NASA said wasn't possible.
>> It saved weight and gave more thrust.
>> What the Russians couldn't do was make stuff well.
>
>
> Sigh. Why do you think NASA wouldn't use that turbine powered pump?
> The US space program was a lot more safety conscious than Russia's.
>
>
Shame it didn't stop them killing more people then,.

>

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 6:01 am
From: Teredo

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:28:23 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sure, if you consider a strong drive to do what others won't, or
>>>> can't. Freedoms you never had in Europe. No overbearing and
>>>> antiquated royal families.
>>> I always find it so amusing when a bunch of convicts, black sheep and
>>> discarded gentry whose morals made them unacceptable in their own
>>> country, plus a bunch of people who were either starving, or whose
>>> religious attitudes were so uptight that they couldn't be tolerated ,
>>> arrive in a place teeming with natural resources (and virtually empty
>>> apart from a few asiatics, who treat them very nicely and help stop
>>> them dying of stupidity), and then proceed to breed like rabbits,
>>> commit genocide on the natives, rape the resources and turn it into
>>> the tackiest example of vulgar ostentation since Eve discovered bling,
>>> have the nerve to assert that the only thing they actually know,
>>> making money, is somehow indicative of superior religious political
>>> and moral standards.
>>>
>>> Or that a tradition of racism, genocide and slavery is somehow
>>> liberating.
>>>
>>> Oh well. It's all over now, baby blue. The resources have run out, and
>>> china wants its cash back.
>>>
>>> And those who confuse being in the right place at the right time with
>>> innate superiority, are in for a rude awakening.
>>
>>
>> More mindless ranting from the burnt out hippie alcoholic. You
>> might
>> as well stop setting followup-to: to alt.flame, asshole. I know you
>> think you're smart, but you've burnt out too many neurons with the pot
>> and other drugs.
> At least I had some to burn out...

Key word - "had"

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 9:49 am
From: The Daring Dufas

On 8/24/2010 6:53 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> The Daring Dufas wrote:
>>
>> On 8/23/2010 10:49 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>
>>> The Daring Dufas wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 8/23/2010 2:28 PM, john hamilton wrote:
>>>>> "Paul"<23023@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:8d58njF43gU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> On 19/08/2010 04:46, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 19/08/2010 01:27, The Daring Dufas wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/18/2010 6:33 PM, geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In message<i4hmat$blj$2@news.eternal-september.org>, The Daring Dufas
>>>>>>>>>> <the-daring-dufas@peckerhead.net> writes
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/18/2010 4:17 PM, geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In message<i4hhb1$np$1@news.eternal-september.org>, The Daring Dufas
>>>>>>>>>>>> <the-daring-dufas@peckerhead.net> writes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2010 12:43 PM, john hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to connect this AAA battery holder to a toy. Although I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soldering iron, my soldering skills are poor. I can see myself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> melting all the plastic around the contacts before I can get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick to the tabs. (The part of the tabs with the small hole will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upwards giving some clearence).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinypic.com/r/iqx3pf/4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My immediate plan is to poke a few strands of wire through the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connection tabs twist and then apply some nail varnish to stop it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unwinding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since its a toy it does not need to be totally foolproof.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone had any ideas that were a bit more sophisticated I would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gratefull. Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are familiar with faston connectors, you can trim the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> terminals with scissors or wire cutters so a connector will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> slip on to them. The connectors are available in many sizes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 1/4" being the most common. I believe The Shack,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> formally Radio Shack carries several sizes. Here's a link
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a manufacturer that produces many types so you can see
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I'm referring to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.etco.com/category.php?cat=18&div=ep&l=e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Excuse me, but is the OP a Septic or English ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If he/she/it is English, it's bugger all use pointing them at Septic
>>>>>>>>>>>> outlets, is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry, I have absolutely no idea what you are writing
>>>>>>>>>>> about. Could you find someone to translate it into American?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Septic tank = yank
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> duh - colonials
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Um, the cultural education is nice but what's it got to do
>>>>>>>>> with electrical connections to a battery holder? Bizarre is
>>>>>>>>> fun but at least I try to keep my jokes within the subject
>>>>>>>>> matter being discussed. 8-)
>>>>>>>>>> TDD
>>>>>>>>>> It was... Radio Shack used to have UK outlets (but seemed to have
>>>>>>>> vanished), but the link above was certainly for their US replacement...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its a long way to go for a battery holder..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes. All the way to your mail box. Of course, that may require you
>>>>>>> to get out of your chair and actually walk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> And pay three times the value in shipping and taxes
>>>>>
>>>>> =============================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks to all. The push on brass connectors are a welcome solution,
>>>>> many thanks. I can easily buy those at Maplins.
>>>>>
>>>>> To throw a little light on this unnecessary rudeness to our American
>>>>> cousins. The expression Amearkin came up because in the U.S. they could say
>>>>> American so quickly it sounded like Amearkin. So across the pond they became
>>>>> Amearkins...quite harmless.
>>>>>
>>>>> However some low lifes changed this to Merkins. A few hundred years ago in
>>>>> order to deal with body lice, ladies would shave their lower private parts.
>>>>> Since this was deamed un-attractive, they could buy small triangular wigs
>>>>> which were called...you guessed it Merkins. Please dont let the low-lifes
>>>>> get you down, we have as many here as you have there. And they just love the
>>>>> internet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Teasing is part of the Usenet experience, if we didn't like you we
>>>> wouldn't even respond to you. You get a bunch of guys together and
>>>> they are going to throw jabs at each other and kid around. It's
>>>> basically what we call horseplay. It's like those celebrity roasts
>>>> that are shown on TV, some of the most horrible and vile insults
>>>> are thrown about by friends. 8-)
>>>
>>>
>>> And if the 'friends' go too far, you throw them out! ;-)
>>
>> The only time I've seen that happen is when someone attacks the family
>> or children of a nasty poster. I'll pounce and tell them to leave the
>> uninvolved folks out of it. One particularly foul individual posted a
>> farewell to his grandmother who had just passed away and a rival started
>> making fun of the late old woman. I let him know real quick it was in
>> bad taste and to direct his anger at Mr. Nasty and not someone who was
>> defenseless. There is such a thing as propriety.
>
>
> I've had online and real life stalkers, and one ass who posted some
> lies about my long dead mother. So I asked why he was online, when he
> was supposed to be picking up his hooker wife. He was furious, and got
> even madder when not one of his cronies agreed with him. Sometimes you
> have to hit them with a six foot 2"*4", right between the eyes before
> they get the message. He had been making fun of the fact that I'm a
> disabled US Army Veteran and bragged that he was exempt from military
> service, because he was diabetic. He harped anout it for months, with
> others reminding him that he started it. I had dumped him into the bit
> bucket, so I only saw it in replies.

Let it roll off your back because words can never hurt you unless
followed by the banging of a gavel in a courtroom. 8-)

Oh yea, thanks for your service. Both my parents, my older brother
and paternal great uncle were regular army. I was in college during
The Vietnam War and joined up and was turned down even though I was
in the greatest shape of my life. I didn't know that I had stumbled
upon the secret of avoiding being drafted into the military until
30 years later when I befriended a former Army recruiter. It was my
allergies, I had told the military doctor about my allergies causing
me breathing problems. All of these guys were shooting off a toe,
claiming to be queer or running off to Canada to avoid the draft
when all they had to do was tell the doctor they had allergies. I was
trying to join up! My recruiter friend told me that turning down a
potential recruit for allergies was one of the biggest secrets of the
war. That's been my luck, I find it by accident.

TDD

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 4:45 am
From: "dennis@home"

<krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:v17676t5bgjij55fhoc1opl7f9bjcfq5ua@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:52:36 +0100, "dennis@home"
> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>><krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
>>news:m2o276d9vv1tkkp2tluq1koi9uovlgh7cu@4ax.com...
>>
>>> The Concorde was not successful. The 747 is.
>>
>>Concord was successful, it met its design goals.
>
> No, it didn't. It didn't have the range originally intended. I believe
> it
> was supposed to super-cruise, too, and it didn't.

You don't know much about it do you?
It did super cruise.
It wouldn't have got halfway across the Atlantic if it had to use the after
burners.
There wasn't any in flight refuelling for it.

>
>>However it failed commercially as the goal was moved.
>
> ...and the SST was cancelled when the goal was moved. The Concorde was
> continued for ego reasons.

The Concorde was well down the development path when the problems started.
The SST wasn't even started until it looked like Concorde was going to take
the passengers away.

>
>>We had several political changes and an oil crisis that made it too
>>expensive.
>
> It was too expensive when it was DESIGNED.
>
>>Pretty much the same as the 747 should feel when the A380 takes all its
>>passengers.
>
> In your dreams.
>
>>Which it won't as the USoA doesn't allow a level playing field and will
>>prevent it from getting landing slots when its a threat.
>
> Lies.
>
>>>>You might have a military plane faster but you haven't got a passenger
>>>>airliner faster.
>>
>>They have the space shuttle, the only thing faster than that was Apollo
>>but
>>that's old technology borrowed from the Germans.
>
> More bullshit.

Are you claiming the shuttle is faster than Apollo then?
Apollo was doing about 25,000 mph on re-entry, the shuttle doesn't.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 4:47 am
From: "dennis@home"

<krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:rh7676ld3o9irbf4u05g7j4obgujl2fl8e@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:25:24 +0100, "dennis@home"
> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>><krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
>>news:8ih276548uglracop6oiq2ivhosj6mu7pf@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>>>Who was to know in the sixties that oil was going to rise to the price
>>>>it
>>>>is today?
>>>
>>> It didn't. Your taxes did.
>>
>>There is no tax on aviation fuel, its some silly international agreement.
>
> Sans taxes, fuel is almost the same price now as it was in the '60s. Look
> it
> up, instead of looking like the dumbass you are.

You need to take a remedial reading course.

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 5:03 am
From: "dennis@home"

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:wvSdnVRr1J7cMu7RnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
> "dennis@home" wrote:
>>
>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:WoednSxKVLEIce_RnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> >
>> > "dennis@home" wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Well the Saturn V wasn't exactly advanced compared to a V2.
>> >
>> >
>> > Sigh. the Saturn V was a Model A. The V2 was a model T. Both
>> > designed in the days of slide rules, and poor metalurgy. Tube
>> > electronics and crude plastics. Do you have anything useful to say?
>> >
>> >> They were both more or less the same.
>> >> However the Russians did have significantly more advanced rocket
>> >> engines.
>> >
>> >
>> > They built bigger engines, typical of Russian designs. Scale up
>> > something, then everthing else needed the same.
>>
>> You don't know much do you?
>
>
> Do you know anything? Have you ever seen their tools, or how about
> the engines they built for their cargo ships.
>
>
>> They actually made smaller engines, it was NASA that scaled them up.
>> The Russians redesigned them to get more thrust from the same size.
>>
>> They did build a bigger rocket, they could do this as they had more
>> thrust
>> available from their better engines.
>
>
> Really? Do you always state the ovbvious? Their first rockets were
> smaller than the US rockets so they didn't need the additional thrust.

Not obvious enough for you to understand it appears.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 4:35 am
From: "dennis@home"

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:i4uqlg$k7r$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> However the Russians did have significantly more advanced
>> rocket engines. NASA have been using the designs to make
>> their rockets better.
>
> Where do you get this?

Well one of the problems with the big engines NASA was using was getting the
fuel in fast enough.
They did this by fitting big pumps.
Apparently the Russians used a turbine powered by the rocket to achieve it,
something NASA said wasn't possible.
It saved weight and gave more thrust.
What the Russians couldn't do was make stuff well.
>
> The Saturn was unusual, possibly unique, in that it was (apparently) the
> only rocket that never failed.

It wasn't used much though, other rockets don't have a much worse failure
rate, not even the shuttle.
They cancelled the last few Apollo missions, partly to avoid an accident,
they knew they were pushing their luck.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 11:35 am
From: "dennis@home"

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:brednYZAWaDaLu7RnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@earthlink.com...

> Sigh. Why do you think NASA wouldn't use that turbine powered pump?
> The US space program was a lot more safety conscious than Russia's.

Because they didn't know how as they didn't invent it and didn't have any
good spies.
PS they have used them since the Russians "sold" them some engines.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 6:10 am
From: zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)

In article <4c6fc914$0$11842$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>, Jeffrey Angus <jangus@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>There is no gravity.
>The earth sucks, that's what keeps us from falling off.

We are being pushed down by dark energy.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 7:31 am
From: Dan

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> Dan wrote:
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> Dan wrote:
>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2:50 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Bob Villa wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 12:24 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> RichTravsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> fitz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Why we have Gravity
>>>>>>>>>>> A correct theory of gravity will show us these four (4) things:
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. It will show us why gravity also acts like acceleration (principle
>>>>>>>>>>> of equvalence).
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. It will show us the actual cause of gravity.
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. It will show us why gravitational mass and inertial mass are
>>>>>>>>>>> identical.
>>>>>>>>>>> 4. It will show us the speed of gravitational attraction.
>>>>>>>>>>> Newton said gravity was acting at a much faster speed than Einstein.
>>>>>>>>>> Well, the average running speed of a human is around 10 mph. Sprints, the
>>>>>>>>>> record is under 30 mph. I don't know how athletic Einstein was so we could
>>>>>>>>>> use a figure of 3 mph walking speed. Nice to set some lower boundaries
>>>>>>>>>> on the SoG (speed of gravity).
>>>>>>>>> Slow Old Geezers.
>>>>>>>> I resemble that remark!
>>>>>>> Admitting it is the first step to recovery! ;-)
>>>>>> There is no recovery...slow, old geezers only get slower.
>>>>> Shut up, and take your medication before the nurse calls the
>>>>> orderlies! ;-)
>>>> Get off my lawn, you young whippersnapper.
>>>
>>> Make me! I have to warn you that I'm not afraid to use my VA issued
>>> cane.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is that Nurse Ratchet behind you?
>> No, it's Nurse Diesel and she wants to give you an exam.
>
>
> Unfortunatly, my VA nurse IS Nurse Ratchet. :(

I live far enough away from the Pensacola and Panama City clinics to
get to use private medical care. That doesn't mean I don't get called in
by VA once in awhile to get poked and probed to see if I am still
disabled. I remember meeting a man who lost a leg in Viet Nam getting
called in periodically to see if it had grown back.

If you enjoy a morbid visual: the driveway to the Biloxi VA hospital
runs through a cemetery.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 2:41 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Dan wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> > Dan wrote:
> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >>> Dan wrote:
> ???? Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> ????? Bob Villa wrote:
> ?????? On Aug 23, 2:50 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" ?mike.terr...@earthlink.net?
> ?????? wrote:
> ??????? Bob Villa wrote:
> ???????
> ???????? On Aug 23, 12:24 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" ?mike.terr...@earthlink.net?
> ???????? wrote:
> ????????? RichTravsky wrote:
> ?????????? fitz wrote:
> ??????????? Why we have Gravity
> ??????????? A correct theory of gravity will show us these four (4) things:
> ??????????? 1. It will show us why gravity also acts like acceleration (principle
> ??????????? of equvalence).
> ??????????? 2. It will show us the actual cause of gravity.
> ??????????? 3. It will show us why gravitational mass and inertial mass are
> ??????????? identical.
> ??????????? 4. It will show us the speed of gravitational attraction.
> ??????????? Newton said gravity was acting at a much faster speed than Einstein.
> ?????????? Well, the average running speed of a human is around 10 mph. Sprints, the
> ?????????? record is under 30 mph. I don't know how athletic Einstein was so we could
> ?????????? use a figure of 3 mph walking speed. Nice to set some lower boundaries
> ?????????? on the SoG (speed of gravity).
> ????????? Slow Old Geezers.
> ???????? I resemble that remark!
> ??????? Admitting it is the first step to recovery! ;-)
> ?????? There is no recovery...slow, old geezers only get slower.
> ????? Shut up, and take your medication before the nurse calls the
> ????? orderlies! ;-)
> ???? Get off my lawn, you young whippersnapper.
> ???
> ??? Make me! I have to warn you that I'm not afraid to use my VA issued
> ??? cane.
> ???
> ???
> ??? Is that Nurse Ratchet behind you?
> ?? No, it's Nurse Diesel and she wants to give you an exam.
> ?
> ?
> ? Unfortunatly, my VA nurse IS Nurse Ratchet. :(
>
> I live far enough away from the Pensacola and Panama City clinics to
> get to use private medical care. That doesn't mean I don't get called in
> by VA once in awhile to get poked and probed to see if I am still
> disabled. I remember meeting a man who lost a leg in Viet Nam getting
> called in periodically to see if it had grown back.

I built a TV station in the Ft. Walton beach/Destin area about 20
years ago.

> If you enjoy a morbid visual: the driveway to the Biloxi VA hospital
> runs through a cemetery.

That's well out of my driving range. The finally started to remodel
the Gainesville VA hospital late last year. What a mess!

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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 6:28 am
From: Bob Villa

On Aug 23, 8:58 am, Meat Plow <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 05:17:04 -0700, Bob Villa wrote:
> > On Aug 20, 5:16 am, Bob Villa <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Many years ago (possibly 50) you could buy a module that would take the
> >> place of a starting relay or centrifugal cut-out for an AC motor. Where
> >> do you find them?  (I think I sent for one thru Popular Science mag at
> >> the time)
> >> Thanks
>
> > It is amazing to me that they aren't commonly available!
>
> Google --- PLC module.
>
> HTH
>
> --
> Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

Not even close. This was a small (a little larger than a postage
stamp), simple device. I remember using one on a 5 HP motor that
wouldn't start. It was for a bakery mixing machine.

== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 6:34 am
From: Meat Plow

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:28:50 -0700, Bob Villa wrote:

> On Aug 23, 8:58 am, Meat Plow <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 05:17:04 -0700, Bob Villa wrote:
>> > On Aug 20, 5:16 am, Bob Villa <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Many years ago (possibly 50) you could buy a module that would take
>> >> the place of a starting relay or centrifugal cut-out for an AC
>> >> motor. Where do you find them?  (I think I sent for one thru Popular
>> >> Science mag at the time)
>> >> Thanks
>>
>> > It is amazing to me that they aren't commonly available!
>>
>> Google --- PLC module.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> --
>> Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse
>
> Not even close. This was a small (a little larger than a postage
> stamp), simple device. I remember using one on a 5 HP motor that
> wouldn't start. It was for a bakery mixing machine.

Thermistor across the start cap?

--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 8:25 am
From: "ian field"

"Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2010.08.24.13.34.03@hahahahahahahah.nutz.I.am...
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:28:50 -0700, Bob Villa wrote:
>
>> On Aug 23, 8:58 am, Meat Plow <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 05:17:04 -0700, Bob Villa wrote:
>>> > On Aug 20, 5:16 am, Bob Villa <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Many years ago (possibly 50) you could buy a module that would take
>>> >> the place of a starting relay or centrifugal cut-out for an AC
>>> >> motor. Where do you find them? (I think I sent for one thru Popular
>>> >> Science mag at the time)
>>> >> Thanks
>>>
>>> > It is amazing to me that they aren't commonly available!
>>>
>>> Google --- PLC module.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> --
>>> Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse
>>
>> Not even close. This was a small (a little larger than a postage
>> stamp), simple device. I remember using one on a 5 HP motor that
>> wouldn't start. It was for a bakery mixing machine.
>
> Thermistor across the start cap?

Already suggested - he seems to be ignoring it.

Murata make a range of motor start thermistors (posistor).

By the look of the picture on the front of the catalogue they may be plug in
replacements for existing start winding solenoids.

== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 8:54 am
From: Meat Plow

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:25:30 +0100, ian field wrote:

> "Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2010.08.24.13.34.03@hahahahahahahah.nutz.I.am...
>> On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:28:50 -0700, Bob Villa wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 23, 8:58 am, Meat Plow <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 05:17:04 -0700, Bob Villa wrote:
>>>> > On Aug 20, 5:16 am, Bob Villa <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> Many years ago (possibly 50) you could buy a module that would
>>>> >> take the place of a starting relay or centrifugal cut-out for an
>>>> >> AC motor. Where do you find them? (I think I sent for one thru
>>>> >> Popular Science mag at the time)
>>>> >> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> > It is amazing to me that they aren't commonly available!
>>>>
>>>> Google --- PLC module.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse
>>>
>>> Not even close. This was a small (a little larger than a postage
>>> stamp), simple device. I remember using one on a 5 HP motor that
>>> wouldn't start. It was for a bakery mixing machine.
>>
>> Thermistor across the start cap?
>
>
> Already suggested - he seems to be ignoring it.
>
> Murata make a range of motor start thermistors (posistor).
>
> By the look of the picture on the front of the catalogue they may be
> plug in replacements for existing start winding solenoids.

Back in my youth I went to school for HVAC and got a job with a family
owned company who installed Trane. I can remember installing hard start
kits. But my specialty was gas fired ammonia systems. Quite a few
residential and small office units around. Mostly 5 ton. Hell natural gas
was cheap back then. Our local gas company went on strike and I was
working on those things 24 hours a day it seemed. So freon-based systems
were not part of my routine except for the then emerging residential heat
pump units. But I do remember the solid state hard start kits.

I think this Villa dood is somewhat purposefully dense.

--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 9:27 am
From: Bob Villa

On Aug 24, 8:25 am, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
> "Meat Plow" <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:pan.2010.08.24.13.34.03@hahahahahahahah.nutz.I.am...
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:28:50 -0700, Bob Villa wrote:
>
> >> On Aug 23, 8:58 am, Meat Plow <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 05:17:04 -0700, Bob Villa wrote:
> >>> > On Aug 20, 5:16 am, Bob Villa <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> Many years ago (possibly 50) you could buy a module that would take
> >>> >> the place of a starting relay or centrifugal cut-out for an AC
> >>> >> motor. Where do you find them? (I think I sent for one thru Popular
> >>> >> Science mag at the time)
> >>> >> Thanks
>
> >>> > It is amazing to me that they aren't commonly available!
>
> >>> Google --- PLC module.
>
> >>> HTH
>
> >>> --
> >>> Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse
>
> >> Not even close.  This was a small (a little larger than a postage
> >> stamp), simple device.  I remember using one on a 5 HP motor that
> >> wouldn't start.  It was for a bakery mixing machine.
>
> > Thermistor across the start cap?
>
> Already suggested - he seems to be ignoring it.
>
> Murata make a range of motor start thermistors (posistor).
>
> By the look of the picture on the front of the catalogue they may be plug in
> replacements for existing start winding solenoids.

There is no starting cap...it would take the place of a centrifugal
opening starting switch.
I'll Google posistor and see where that leads.
(thanks meathead for the comment-helpful indeed)

== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 9:37 am
From: Meat Plow

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:27:51 -0700, Bob Villa wrote:

> On Aug 24, 8:25 am, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> "Meat Plow" <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:pan.2010.08.24.13.34.03@hahahahahahahah.nutz.I.am...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:28:50 -0700, Bob Villa wrote:
>>
>> >> On Aug 23, 8:58 am, Meat Plow <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 05:17:04 -0700, Bob Villa wrote:
>> >>> > On Aug 20, 5:16 am, Bob Villa <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >> Many years ago (possibly 50) you could buy a module that would
>> >>> >> take the place of a starting relay or centrifugal cut-out for an
>> >>> >> AC motor. Where do you find them? (I think I sent for one thru
>> >>> >> Popular Science mag at the time)
>> >>> >> Thanks
>>
>> >>> > It is amazing to me that they aren't commonly available!
>>
>> >>> Google --- PLC module.
>>
>> >>> HTH
>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse
>>
>> >> Not even close.  This was a small (a little larger than a postage
>> >> stamp), simple device.  I remember using one on a 5 HP motor that
>> >> wouldn't start.  It was for a bakery mixing machine.
>>
>> > Thermistor across the start cap?
>>
>> Already suggested - he seems to be ignoring it.
>>
>> Murata make a range of motor start thermistors (posistor).
>>
>> By the look of the picture on the front of the catalogue they may be
>> plug in replacements for existing start winding solenoids.
>
> There is no starting cap...it would take the place of a centrifugal
> opening starting switch.
> I'll Google posistor and see where that leads. (thanks meathead for the
> comment-helpful indeed)

Never got into actual motor repair except for taking apart 10/15 horse
230 volt single phase repulsion/induction motors, then having the rotor/
stator rewound, the com resurfaced or replaced. Other than that was a
simple plugin solid state replacement for a three pin residential AC
compressor. There were direct replacements or hard start replacements to
give the compressor a month or so longer useful life while the owner
scraped up the cash for a replacement.

--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 9:38 am
From: "ian field"

"Bob Villa" <pheeh.zero@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fd2f25c7-ad0d-485b-ade5-868768239d3e@x25g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 24, 8:25 am, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
> "Meat Plow" <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:pan.2010.08.24.13.34.03@hahahahahahahah.nutz.I.am...
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:28:50 -0700, Bob Villa wrote:
>
> >> On Aug 23, 8:58 am, Meat Plow <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 05:17:04 -0700, Bob Villa wrote:
> >>> > On Aug 20, 5:16 am, Bob Villa <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> Many years ago (possibly 50) you could buy a module that would take
> >>> >> the place of a starting relay or centrifugal cut-out for an AC
> >>> >> motor. Where do you find them? (I think I sent for one thru Popular
> >>> >> Science mag at the time)
> >>> >> Thanks
>
> >>> > It is amazing to me that they aren't commonly available!
>
> >>> Google --- PLC module.
>
> >>> HTH
>
> >>> --
> >>> Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse
>
> >> Not even close. This was a small (a little larger than a postage
> >> stamp), simple device. I remember using one on a 5 HP motor that
> >> wouldn't start. It was for a bakery mixing machine.
>
> > Thermistor across the start cap?
>
> Already suggested - he seems to be ignoring it.
>
> Murata make a range of motor start thermistors (posistor).
>
> By the look of the picture on the front of the catalogue they may be plug
> in
> replacements for existing start winding solenoids.

There is no starting cap...it would take the place of a centrifugal
opening starting switch.
I'll Google posistor and see where that leads.
(thanks meathead for the comment-helpful indeed)

-------------------------------------------------

AFAIK Murata claim "posistor" as a registered trademark, but the word has
found its way into common usage by TV engineers to describe the PTC degauss
units for CRTs.

== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 9:40 am
From: "ian field"

http://www.murata.com/products/catalog/pdf/k99/k99e_l0725.pdf

== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 9:47 am
From: Meat Plow

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:40:18 +0100, ian field wrote:

> http://www.murata.com/products/catalog/pdf/k99/k99e_l0725.pdf

Yeah I mistyped PLC for PTC a couple replies ago.

> >>> Google --- PLC module.

Still that doesn't replace a centrifugal clutch directly although you
could probably jury-rig one.

--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 10:06 am
From: "ian field"

"Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2010.08.24.16.47.19@hahahahahahahah.nutz.I.am...
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:40:18 +0100, ian field wrote:
>
>> http://www.murata.com/products/catalog/pdf/k99/k99e_l0725.pdf
>
> Yeah I mistyped PLC for PTC a couple replies ago.
>
>> >>> Google --- PLC module.
>
> Still that doesn't replace a centrifugal clutch directly although you
> could probably jury-rig one.

"clutch"?!

== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 10:30 am
From: Meat Plow

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:06:52 +0100, ian field wrote:

> "Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2010.08.24.16.47.19@hahahahahahahah.nutz.I.am...
>> On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:40:18 +0100, ian field wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.murata.com/products/catalog/pdf/k99/k99e_l0725.pdf
>>
>> Yeah I mistyped PLC for PTC a couple replies ago.
>>
>>> >>> Google --- PLC module.
>>
>> Still that doesn't replace a centrifugal clutch directly although you
>> could probably jury-rig one.
>
>
> "clutch"?!

Well yeah a clutch, switch, kickout what the fuck ever you want to cal
it.

--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 1:47 pm
From: Bob Villa

On Aug 24, 9:40 am, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
> http://www.murata.com/products/catalog/pdf/k99/k99e_l0725.pdf

I went to an electrician and this is what I got...

http://stearns.rexnord.com/products/Cat_902_table.asp

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