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TOPIC: Best solder free electrical connection
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 12:25 am
From: Frank Erskine

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:15:16 +0100, Frank Erskine
<frank.erskine@btinternet.com> wrote:

>On 22 Aug 2010 21:54:21 GMT, Bob Eager <rde42@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:16:50 +0100, Frank Erskine wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:39:08 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
>>> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:13:58 +0100, ><(((°> <nospam@butfish.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:45:08 +0100, krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
>>>>><krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:01:04 +0100, tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <-NmdnY7Fjv0c5e3RnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael
>>>>>>> A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> scribeth thus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <(((°> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:26:53 +0100, <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:46:34 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>>>>>>>>> > <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >> Dave wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> On 21/08/2010 03:59, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>> > geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> > That's a very good example of why most people with
>>>>>>>>> >>> > brains
>>>>>>>>> left
>>>>>>>>> >>> Europe
>>>>>>>>> >>> > for 'The new World'.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> So how come Britain made a better nuclear bomb than the New
>>>>>>>>> World? And
>>>>>>>>> >>> the New World wanted as much detail of our superior technology
>>>>>>>>> >>> as
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> >>> could get?
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> What superior technology? Lucas?
>>>>>>>>> > No "superior technology" has come out of GB since about 1950. -
>>>>>>>>> > and
>>>>>>>>> > that may be stretchng it. There have been a few "good ideas"
>>>>>>>>> > since
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I might be wrong but I thought Concorde started flying after 1950.
>>>>>>>>> Though then again the Septics didn't like the noise, or was it a
>>>>>>>>> classic
>>>>>>>>> case of "Not Invented Here" syndrome?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was a fast plane, but a poor design.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not that bad really as it was the first one..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They spent wads of money to
>>>>>>>> build and maintain them, then junked the entire fleet. It was
>>>>>>>> noisy and
>>>>>>>> very fuel inefficient. That forced the fares so high that they
>>>>>>>> weren't able to compete with better planes from multiple countries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What other supersonic airliners are those then?...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't read well, do you? The 747 kicked its butt.
>>>>>
>>>>>The 747 goes about 600 mph top whack. Supersonic means greater than 768
>>>>>mph so the 747 ain't a supersonic airliner.
>>>>
>>>>I guess that answered my question (you don't read well).
>>>>
>>>>The Concorde was not successful. The 747 is.
>>>>
>>>>>You might have a military plane faster but you haven't got a passenger
>>>>>airliner faster.
>>>>
>>>>So what? The SST was canceled because it didn't make sense. You
>>>>nitwits weren't bright enough to figure that out/
>>>
>>> Probably crimps are the best solder-free connections.
>>
>>I dunno. Spot welds?
>
>Criomps are probably easier for d-i-y.
Or even crimps...

--
Frank Erskine

== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 1:50 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

geoff wrote:
>
> In message ?GIednWu1m4SwUe_RnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@earthlink.com?, Michael A.
> Terrell ?mike.terrell@earthlink.net? writes
> ?? ?? ???? What other supersonic airliners are those then?...
> ?? ?? ???
> ?? ?? ??? Don't read well, do you? The 747 kicked its butt.
> ?? ?? ??
> ?? ?? ??The 747 goes about 600 mph top whack.
> ?? ?? ??Supersonic means greater than 768 mph so the 747 ain't a supersonic
> ?? ?? ??airliner.
> ?? ?? ?
> ?? ?? ?I guess that answered my question (you don't read well).
> ?? ?? ?
> ?? ?? ?The Concorde was not successful.
> ?? ??
> ?? ?? It was .. for what it did...
> ?? ?
> ?? ?
> ?? ? Well under a fraction of one percent isn't sucessful. It's nothing
> ?? ?but ego bloat.
> ??
> ?? Built here anyone;?..
> ?
> ?
> ? How's your space agency doing? How do they like the US built
> ?communications systems that i built?
>
> All by yourself, big boi ?
>
> or was that just the solder joints ?

Is that your best attempt at an insult? The only solder work I did
was to troubleshoot some boards. There were two complete ground
stations. One fixed, one mobile. They were shipped to Italy. The last
I heard, they wanted a second mobile ground station because the ESA
facility was so small. That caused front end overload at launch for the
fixed station. A good +60 dB above what they specified in their
purchase order.

I worked in production test & engineering on that project.

--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 1:51 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

"krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote:
>
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:07:07 +0100, geoff ?troll@uk-diy.org? wrote:
>
> ?In message ?40j376ljgj96q0brsbaofkk2dfkubc76gc@4ax.com?,
> ?clare@snyder.on.ca writes
> ??On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:13:58 +0100, ??(((°? ?nospam@butfish.com?
> ??wrote:
> ??
> ???On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:45:08 +0100, krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
> ????krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz? wrote:
> ???
> ???? On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:01:04 +0100, tony sayer ?tony@bancom.co.uk? wrote:
> ????
> ????? In article ?-NmdnY7Fjv0c5e3RnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@earthlink.com?, Michael A.
> ????? Terrell ?mike.terrell@earthlink.net? scribeth thus
> ??????
> ??????? ?(((°? wrote:
> ???????
> ??????? On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:26:53 +0100, ?clare@snyder.on.ca? wrote:
> ???????
> ??????? ? On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:46:34 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> ??????? ? ?mike.terrell@earthlink.net? wrote:
> ??????? ?
> ??????? ??
> ??????? ?? Dave wrote:
> ??????? ???
> ??????? ??? On 21/08/2010 03:59, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> ??????? ??? ?
> ??????? ??? ? geoff wrote:
> ??????? ???
> ??????? ??? ? That's a very good example of why most people with brains
> ??????? left
> ??????? ??? Europe
> ??????? ??? ? for 'The new World'.
> ??????? ???
> ??????? ??? So how come Britain made a better nuclear bomb than the New
> ??????? World? And
> ??????? ??? the New World wanted as much detail of our superior technology as
> ??????? they
> ??????? ??? could get?
> ??????? ??
> ??????? ??
> ??????? ?? What superior technology? Lucas?
> ??????? ? No "superior technology" has come out of GB since about 1950. - and
> ??????? ? that may be stretchng it. There have been a few "good ideas" since
> ???????
> ??????? I might be wrong but I thought Concorde started flying after 1950.
> ??????? Though then again the Septics didn't like the noise, or was it a
> ??????? classic
> ??????? case of "Not Invented Here" syndrome?
> ??????
> ??????
> ?????? It was a fast plane, but a poor design.
> ?????
> ????? Not that bad really as it was the first one..
> ?????
> ?????? They spent wads of money to
> ?????? build and maintain them, then junked the entire fleet. It was noisy
> ?????? and
> ?????? very fuel inefficient. That forced the fares so high that they weren't
> ?????? able to compete with better planes from multiple countries.
> ?????
> ????? What other supersonic airliners are those then?...
> ????
> ???? Don't read well, do you? The 747 kicked its butt.
> ???
> ???The 747 goes about 600 mph top whack.
> ???Supersonic means greater than 768 mph so the 747 ain't a supersonic
> ???airliner.
> ???
> ???You might have a military plane faster but you haven't got a passenger
> ???airliner faster.
> ?? The 747 (on a bad day) moves more passenger-miles per hour on less
> ??than 1/4 the lbs of fuel per passenger mile than the concorde could
> ??dream of on it's best day
> ?
> ?You could say more or less the same comparing a ford fiesta and a rolls
> ?royce
>
> I think you'll find that a Rolls will move more passenger-miles per hour than
> a Ford Fiesta. ;-)

Yet you can find both sitting on the side of the road, with steam
pouring out from under the hood. :)

--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 1:52 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

geoff wrote:
>
> In message ?Xo-dnWGvo8lhaOnRnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@earthlink.com?, Michael A.
> Terrell ?mike.terrell@earthlink.net? writes
> ?
> ?tony sayer wrote:
> ??
> ?? ?? ?? ? There was also a big outcry at the time about the
> ?? ?? ?? ?pollution--apparently
> ?? ?? ?? ? folks were worried about damage to the ozone layer or
> ?? ?? ?? ?something, due to
> ?? ?? ?? ? inefficient engines spewing crap in the stratosphere. I'm not sure
> ?? ?? ?? ? whether there was anything to that (there so often isn't, in the
> ?? ?? ?? ? environmentalist cosmos), but that and the sonic booms were what got
> ?? ?? ?? ? supersonic flight banned.
> ?? ?? ?? ?
> ?? ?? ?? ? Cheers
> ?? ?? ?? ?
> ?? ?? ?? ? Phil Hobbs
> ?? ?? ?? ?
> ?? ?? ??
> ?? ?? ?? Just more symptoms on Not Invented Here syndrome.
> ?? ?? ?
> ?? ?? ?
> ?? ?? ? Yawn. US SS military jets were banned from populated areas long
> ?? ?? ?before the first Concord was pieced together from British and french
> ?? ?? ?landfills.
> ?? ??
> ?? ?? Yawn ... zzzzzz Frank Writtle was 'working on them long before that;)...
> ?? ?
> ?? ?
> ?? ? So, where are his flying, today?
> ??
> ?? Well thats like saying where are Stevenson's locomotives working today
> ?? then;?.
> ??
> ?? Rather pointless...
> ?
> ?
> ? Yes, you are. Yet you keep trolling.
>
> Do you even know who Sir Frank Whittle was ?

Tell me why I should care?

>
> (without sneaking off and looking it up in google, of course)
>
> --
> geoff

--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 1:53 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

geoff wrote:
>
> In message ?rKCdnZjUmopEJ-zRnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@earthlink.com?, Michael A.
> Terrell ?mike.terrell@earthlink.net? writes
> ?
> ???(((°? wrote:
> ??
> ?? On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:57:06 +0100, Phil Hobbs
> ?? ?pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net? wrote:
> ??
> ?? ? aemeijers wrote:
> ?? ?? krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
> ?? ?? (snip)
> ?? ????? They spent wads of money to
> ?? ????? build and maintain them, then junked the entire fleet. It was noisy
> ?? ????? and
> ?? ????? very fuel inefficient. That forced the fares so high that they
> ?? ????? weren't
> ?? ????? able to compete with better planes from multiple countries.
> ?? ???? What other supersonic airliners are those then?...
> ?? ???
> ?? ??? Don't read well, do you? The 747 kicked its butt.
> ?? ?? 747 ain't supersonic. But on a dollar/gallon per passenger mile
> ?? ?? basis, it is a whole lot cheaper to run, when anywhere near fully
> ?? ?? loaded. In recent years, due to passenger volume being so reduced, a
> ?? ?? whole lotta 747s and other jumbos were parked in the desert, in
> ?? ?? 'preservation pack' status. Airlines switched to the itty-bitty jets
> ?? ?? for many routes. Now that volume is picking up again, some jumbos are
> ?? ?? being brought back out of storage. At one point, they were gonna
> ?? ?? modernize the 747 fleet, but it will probably never happen, because
> ?? ?? Boeing would rather sell new planes, and Airbus is nipping at their
> ?? ?? heels. But the long delays in the Boeing Dreamliner rampup can be at
> ?? ?? least partially blamed on the airlines getting gun-shy. It costs a lot
> ?? ?? of money to keep airplanes with a lot of lifespan left sitting in the
> ?? ?? desert. Another air disaster or major fuel cost spike, and there will
> ?? ?? be multiple airlines going belly-up.
> ?? ?? Supersonics only made sense for civilian use for a very tiny niche
> ?? ?? market of rich people and businessmen who had to have face time
> ?? ?? someplace far away in a hurry. That niche market got even smaller with
> ?? ?? the rise of cheap easily available hi-rez video-conferencing services.
> ?? ?? A lot of execs don't travel near as much as they used to. Plus, of
> ?? ?? course, with the general economic downturn, there are a lot fewer
> ?? ?? executives. Either retired or flipping burgers for somebody else.
> ?? ?? Absent some technological leap that allows cheap suborbital flights
> ?? ?? for the masses, world travel will be slower and more expensive from
> ?? ?? here on out.
> ?? ??
> ?? ?
> ?? ? Plus the externalities, such as having your windows rattle twice a day
> ?? ? (waking the baby, of course) just because some rich nitwit couldn't wait
> ?? ? another couple of hours to get to LA. Anyway, rich nitwits save more
> ?? ? time than that by buying or renting their own subsonic jet, which goes
> ?? ? wherever they want, whenever they want. It's a far more rational
> ?? ? solution (if you can call it that).
> ?? ?
> ?? ? There was also a big outcry at the time about the pollution--apparently
> ?? ? folks were worried about damage to the ozone layer or something, due to
> ?? ? inefficient engines spewing crap in the stratosphere. I'm not sure
> ?? ? whether there was anything to that (there so often isn't, in the
> ?? ? environmentalist cosmos), but that and the sonic booms were what got
> ?? ? supersonic flight banned.
> ?? ?
> ?? ? Cheers
> ?? ?
> ?? ? Phil Hobbs
> ?? ?
> ??
> ?? Just more symptoms on Not Invented Here syndrome.
> ?
> ?
> ? Yawn. US SS military jets were banned from populated areas long
> ?before the first Concord was pieced together from British and french
> ?landfills.
>
> Because falling out of the sky and killing people is not a vote winner

Cleaning out your ass, again?

--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 1:53 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

tm wrote:
>
> "geoff" ?troll@uk-diy.org? wrote in message
> news:OJLG2NagyqeMFwbA@demon.co.uk...
> ? In message ?i4spnd$11ja$1@adenine.netfront.net?, tm
> ? ?the_obamunist@whitehouse.gov? writes
> ??
> ??"Phil Hobbs" ?pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net? wrote in message
> ??news:4C71E40A.4090304@electrooptical.net...
> ??? Phil Hobbs
> ??? (Former Triumph owner)
> ???
> ??
> ??Cool. Still have mine. '66 Bonnie.
> ??
> ? '60 Enfield that DOESN'T leak
> ?
>
> What, you didn't put any oil in it? :)

Molded plastic toy.

--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 4:39 am
From: geoff

In message <yKKdnSL7cvt27ebRnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes
>
>geoff wrote:
>>
>> In message ?GIednWu1m4SwUe_RnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@earthlink.com?, Michael A.
>> Terrell ?mike.terrell@earthlink.net? writes
>> ?? ?? ???? What other supersonic airliners are those then?...
>> ?? ?? ???
>> ?? ?? ??? Don't read well, do you? The 747 kicked its butt.
>> ?? ?? ??
>> ?? ?? ??The 747 goes about 600 mph top whack.
>> ?? ?? ??Supersonic means greater than 768 mph so the 747 ain't a supersonic
>> ?? ?? ??airliner.
>> ?? ?? ?
>> ?? ?? ?I guess that answered my question (you don't read well).
>> ?? ?? ?
>> ?? ?? ?The Concorde was not successful.
>> ?? ??
>> ?? ?? It was .. for what it did...
>> ?? ?
>> ?? ?
>> ?? ? Well under a fraction of one percent isn't sucessful. It's nothing
>> ?? ?but ego bloat.
>> ??
>> ?? Built here anyone;?..
>> ?
>> ?
>> ? How's your space agency doing? How do they like the US built
>> ?communications systems that i built?
>>
>> All by yourself, big boi ?
>>
>> or was that just the solder joints ?
>
>
> Is that your best attempt at an insult? The only solder work I did
>was to troubleshoot some boards. There were two complete ground
>stations. One fixed, one mobile. They were shipped to Italy. The last
>I heard, they wanted a second mobile ground station because the ESA
>facility was so small. That caused front end overload at launch for the
>fixed station. A good +60 dB above what they specified in their
>purchase order.
>
> I worked in production test & engineering on that project.
>
So, not design, a back end boi then

--
geoff

== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 4:40 am
From: geoff

In message <E--dnTZmiN4Ff-fRnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@giganews.com>, aemeijers
<aemeijers@att.net> writes
>geoff wrote:
>> In message <40j376ljgj96q0brsbaofkk2dfkubc76gc@4ax.com>,
>>clare@snyder.on.ca writes
>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:13:58 +0100, ><(((°> <nospam@butfish.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:45:08 +0100, krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
>>>> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:01:04 +0100, tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <-NmdnY7Fjv0c5e3RnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>>>>>>Michael A.
>>>>>> Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> scribeth thus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <(((°> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:26:53 +0100, <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:46:34 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>>>>>>>> > <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Dave wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> On 21/08/2010 03:59, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>> >>> > geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> > That's a very good example of why most people with brains
>>>>>>>> left
>>>>>>>> >>> Europe
>>>>>>>> >>> > for 'The new World'.
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> So how come Britain made a better nuclear bomb than the New
>>>>>>>> World? And
>>>>>>>> >>> the New World wanted as much detail of our superior
>>>>>>>> technology as
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> >>> could get?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> What superior technology? Lucas?
>>>>>>>> > No "superior technology" has come out of GB since about
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> - and
>>>>>>>> > that may be stretchng it. There have been a few "good ideas" since
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I might be wrong but I thought Concorde started flying after 1950.
>>>>>>>> Though then again the Septics didn't like the noise, or was it a
>>>>>>>> classic
>>>>>>>> case of "Not Invented Here" syndrome?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was a fast plane, but a poor design.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not that bad really as it was the first one..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They spent wads of money to
>>>>>>> build and maintain them, then junked the entire fleet. It was noisy
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> very fuel inefficient. That forced the fares so high that they
>>>>>>>weren't
>>>>>>> able to compete with better planes from multiple countries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What other supersonic airliners are those then?...
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't read well, do you? The 747 kicked its butt.
>>>>
>>>> The 747 goes about 600 mph top whack.
>>>> Supersonic means greater than 768 mph so the 747 ain't a supersonic
>>>> airliner.
>>>>
>>>> You might have a military plane faster but you haven't got a passenger
>>>> airliner faster.
>>> The 747 (on a bad day) moves more passenger-miles per hour on less
>>> than 1/4 the lbs of fuel per passenger mile than the concorde could
>>> dream of on it's best day
>> You could say more or less the same comparing a ford fiesta and a
>>rolls royce
>>
>
>A fully-loaded city bus and the RR would be a more meaningful
>comparision/analogy.
>
Or a TVR maybe

--
geoff

== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 4:41 am
From: geoff

In message <yKKdnVz7cvv97ObRnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes
>
>> ?? ?? Yawn ... zzzzzz Frank Writtle was 'working on them long before
>>that;)...
>> ?? ?
>> ?? ?
>> ?? ? So, where are his flying, today?
>> ??
>> ?? Well thats like saying where are Stevenson's locomotives working today
>> ?? then;?.
>> ??
>> ?? Rather pointless...
>> ?
>> ?
>> ? Yes, you are. Yet you keep trolling.
>>
>> Do you even know who Sir Frank Whittle was ?
>
>
> Tell me why I should care?
>
Well you wouldn't, would you?

you'd prefer to remain an ignorant septic

--
geoff

== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 4:42 am
From: geoff

In message <yKKdnV77cvsD7ObRnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes
>
>tm wrote:
>>
>> "geoff" ?troll@uk-diy.org? wrote in message
>> news:OJLG2NagyqeMFwbA@demon.co.uk...
>> ? In message ?i4spnd$11ja$1@adenine.netfront.net?, tm
>> ? ?the_obamunist@whitehouse.gov? writes
>> ??
>> ??"Phil Hobbs" ?pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net? wrote in message
>> ??news:4C71E40A.4090304@electrooptical.net...
>> ??? Phil Hobbs
>> ??? (Former Triumph owner)
>> ???
>> ??
>> ??Cool. Still have mine. '66 Bonnie.
>> ??
>> ? '60 Enfield that DOESN'T leak
>> ?
>>
>> What, you didn't put any oil in it? :)
>
>
> Molded plastic toy.
>

Did you think that up all by yourself big boi ?

--
geoff

== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 7:20 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

geoff wrote:
>
> In message <yKKdnSL7cvt27ebRnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
> Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes
> >
> >geoff wrote:
> >>
> >> In message ?GIednWu1m4SwUe_RnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@earthlink.com?, Michael A.
> >> Terrell ?mike.terrell@earthlink.net? writes
> >> ?? ?? ???? What other supersonic airliners are those then?...
> >> ?? ?? ???
> >> ?? ?? ??? Don't read well, do you? The 747 kicked its butt.
> >> ?? ?? ??
> >> ?? ?? ??The 747 goes about 600 mph top whack.
> >> ?? ?? ??Supersonic means greater than 768 mph so the 747 ain't a supersonic
> >> ?? ?? ??airliner.
> >> ?? ?? ?
> >> ?? ?? ?I guess that answered my question (you don't read well).
> >> ?? ?? ?
> >> ?? ?? ?The Concorde was not successful.
> >> ?? ??
> >> ?? ?? It was .. for what it did...
> >> ?? ?
> >> ?? ?
> >> ?? ? Well under a fraction of one percent isn't sucessful. It's nothing
> >> ?? ?but ego bloat.
> >> ??
> >> ?? Built here anyone;?..
> >> ?
> >> ?
> >> ? How's your space agency doing? How do they like the US built
> >> ?communications systems that i built?
> >>
> >> All by yourself, big boi ?
> >>
> >> or was that just the solder joints ?
> >
> >
> > Is that your best attempt at an insult? The only solder work I did
> >was to troubleshoot some boards. There were two complete ground
> >stations. One fixed, one mobile. They were shipped to Italy. The last
> >I heard, they wanted a second mobile ground station because the ESA
> >facility was so small. That caused front end overload at launch for the
> >fixed station. A good +60 dB above what they specified in their
> >purchase order.
> >
> > I worked in production test & engineering on that project.
> >
> So, not design, a back end boi then

Yawn. I wrote ECOs.

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enough left over to pay them.

== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 7:20 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

geoff wrote:
>
> In message <yKKdnVz7cvv97ObRnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
> Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes
> >
> >> ?? ?? Yawn ... zzzzzz Frank Writtle was 'working on them long before
> >>that;)...
> >> ?? ?
> >> ?? ?
> >> ?? ? So, where are his flying, today?
> >> ??
> >> ?? Well thats like saying where are Stevenson's locomotives working today
> >> ?? then;?.
> >> ??
> >> ?? Rather pointless...
> >> ?
> >> ?
> >> ? Yes, you are. Yet you keep trolling.
> >>
> >> Do you even know who Sir Frank Whittle was ?
> >
> >
> > Tell me why I should care?
> >
> Well you wouldn't, would you?
>
> you'd prefer to remain an ignorant septic

yawn

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== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 7:52 am
From: geoff

In message <-JSdnQWF8IqhI-bRnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes
>
>geoff wrote:
>>
>> In message <yKKdnSL7cvt27ebRnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
>> Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes
>> >
>> >geoff wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In message ?GIednWu1m4SwUe_RnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@earthlink.com?, Michael A.
>> >> Terrell ?mike.terrell@earthlink.net? writes
>> >> ?? ?? ???? What other supersonic airliners are those then?...
>> >> ?? ?? ???
>> >> ?? ?? ??? Don't read well, do you? The 747 kicked its butt.
>> >> ?? ?? ??
>> >> ?? ?? ??The 747 goes about 600 mph top whack.
>> >> ?? ?? ??Supersonic means greater than 768 mph so the 747 ain't a
>> >>supersonic
>> >> ?? ?? ??airliner.
>> >> ?? ?? ?
>> >> ?? ?? ?I guess that answered my question (you don't read well).
>> >> ?? ?? ?
>> >> ?? ?? ?The Concorde was not successful.
>> >> ?? ??
>> >> ?? ?? It was .. for what it did...
>> >> ?? ?
>> >> ?? ?
>> >> ?? ? Well under a fraction of one percent isn't sucessful. It's nothing
>> >> ?? ?but ego bloat.
>> >> ??
>> >> ?? Built here anyone;?..
>> >> ?
>> >> ?
>> >> ? How's your space agency doing? How do they like the US built
>> >> ?communications systems that i built?
>> >>
>> >> All by yourself, big boi ?
>> >>
>> >> or was that just the solder joints ?
>> >
>> >
>> > Is that your best attempt at an insult? The only solder work I did
>> >was to troubleshoot some boards. There were two complete ground
>> >stations. One fixed, one mobile. They were shipped to Italy. The last
>> >I heard, they wanted a second mobile ground station because the ESA
>> >facility was so small. That caused front end overload at launch for the
>> >fixed station. A good +60 dB above what they specified in their
>> >purchase order.
>> >
>> > I worked in production test & engineering on that project.
>> >
>> So, not design, a back end boi then
>
>
> Yawn. I wrote ECOs.
>
Jumped up tech author then

--
geoff

== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 7:54 am
From: geoff

In message <-JSdnQSF8IrKI-bRnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes
>
>geoff wrote:
>>
>> In message <yKKdnVz7cvv97ObRnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
>> Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes
>> >
>> >> ?? ?? Yawn ... zzzzzz Frank Writtle was 'working on them long before
>> >>that;)...
>> >> ?? ?
>> >> ?? ?
>> >> ?? ? So, where are his flying, today?
>> >> ??
>> >> ?? Well thats like saying where are Stevenson's locomotives working today
>> >> ?? then;?.
>> >> ??
>> >> ?? Rather pointless...
>> >> ?
>> >> ?
>> >> ? Yes, you are. Yet you keep trolling.
>> >>
>> >> Do you even know who Sir Frank Whittle was ?
>> >
>> >
>> > Tell me why I should care?
>> >
>> Well you wouldn't, would you?
>>
>> you'd prefer to remain an ignorant septic
>
>
> yawn
>
As I said

--
geoff

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TOPIC: Why we have Gravity
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/004d04dfe74c9553?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 1:24 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

RichTravsky wrote:
>
> Bob Villa wrote:
> ?
> ? On Aug 23, 2:50 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" ?mike.terr...@earthlink.net?
> ? wrote:
> ? ? Bob Villa wrote:
> ? ?
> ? ? ? On Aug 23, 12:24 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" ?mike.terr...@earthlink.net?
> ? ? ? wrote:
> ? ? ? ? RichTravsky wrote:
> ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? fitz wrote:
> ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? Why we have Gravity
> ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? A correct theory of gravity will show us these four (4) things:
> ? ? ? ? ? ? 1. It will show us why gravity also acts like acceleration (principle
> ? ? ? ? ? ? of equvalence).
> ? ? ? ? ? ? 2. It will show us the actual cause of gravity.
> ? ? ? ? ? ? 3. It will show us why gravitational mass and inertial mass are
> ? ? ? ? ? ? identical.
> ? ? ? ? ? ? 4. It will show us the speed of gravitational attraction.
> ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? Newton said gravity was acting at a much faster speed than Einstein.
> ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? Well, the average running speed of a human is around 10 mph. Sprints, the
> ? ? ? ? ? record is under 30 mph. I don't know how athletic Einstein was so we could
> ? ? ? ? ? use a figure of 3 mph walking speed. Nice to set some lower boundaries
> ? ? ? ? ? on the SoG (speed of gravity).
> ? ?
> ? ? ? ? Slow Old Geezers.
> ? ?
> ? ? ? I resemble that remark!
> ? ?
> ? ? Admitting it is the first step to recovery! ;-)
> ?
> ? There is no recovery...slow, old geezers only get slower.
>
> And older...

The alternative is worse...

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enough left over to pay them.

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TOPIC: Yet another bulging-capacitors replacement
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 2:35 am
From: JW

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:19:44 -0700 Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote in Message id: <ebug76lk13plippid57h6q6vacu8ve4om9@4ax.com>:

>I don't believe it. The winner of the power hogging consumer CPU
>contest was the DEC/Intel Alpha 21364 (EV79):
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_21364>
>which burned 155 watts. Itanium II came close with 130 watts (per
>core).

Check again.
http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=43410&processor=9350&spec-codes=SLBMX

185W! Gotta love that price as well.

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TOPIC: how to remove alkaline battery residue
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 3:22 am
From: adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham)

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:24:04 +0000 (UTC), "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
> <gsm@mendelson.com> wrote:
>
> >We don't have dirty toilets BTW, there are lots of other cleaners, including
> >"mai cham" (literally hot water), which is a dilute muratic acid solution.
>
> That will etch the surface of the porcelain, which will cause
> particles of defecant to stick to the surface. It's much like using a
> chemical sandpaper.
>
> >The most common is "economica", which is a brand name that has become a
> >generic term for cholrine bleach with soap and optional lemon scent.
>
> Lemon is a nasal desensitizer. Add lemon scent to anything and all
> you small is lemon. That's why there are so many "lemon fresh"
> products on the market. For an example, put a lemon under your nose,
> while biting into an apple.

The by-product from air oxidation of lemon oil (d-Limonene oxide) is one
of the most allergenic chemical known. It forms in part-used bottles of
lemon-scented products and I have seen the horrible results of the
sensitisation it causes. (One of my work colleagues lost most of her
facial skin to it)

Even if you aren't allergic to it, other people may be, so please don't
use it.

--
~ Adrian Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 6:43 am
From: Jim Yanik

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in
news:i5evld$8nu$1@news.eternal-september.org:

>>> We don't have dirty toilets BTW, there are lots of other cleaners,
>>> including "mai cham" (literally hot water), which is a dilute muratic
>>> acid solution.
>
>> That will etch the surface of the porcelain, which will cause
>> particles of defecant to stick to the surface. It's much like using a
>> chemical sandpaper.
>
> I don't think that's correct. I don't think most acids will attack
> porcelain.
>
> This is all I could find. It isn't clear what the relationship between
> "porcelain enamel" and the porcelain used in bathroom fixtures is.
>
> http://www.porcelainenamel.com/pei503.htm
>
>
>

acids are what's used to etch porcelain bathtubs for "refinishing" with
epoxy paints. even leaving chlorine bleach solution puddled on the tub
surface will etch it,I found that out the hard way.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 6:53 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> Acids are what's used to etch porcelain bathtubs for "refinishing"
> with epoxy paints. Even leaving chlorine bleach solution puddled
> on the tub surface will etch it -- I found that out the hard way.

Which acid or acids? Decades before I saw "Breaking Bad", I knew that
hydrofluoric acid attacked glass and porcelain. But hydrochloric?

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 6:59 am
From: "ian field"

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:i5gd6k$mu4$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Acids are what's used to etch porcelain bathtubs for "refinishing"
>> with epoxy paints. Even leaving chlorine bleach solution puddled
>> on the tub surface will etch it -- I found that out the hard way.
>
> Which acid or acids? Decades before I saw "Breaking Bad", I knew that
> hydrofluoric acid attacked glass and porcelain. But hydrochloric?

I recently discovered that caustic soda in an ultrasonic cleaner is capable
of etching the glaze off of spark plug insulators.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 7:04 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

>>> Acids are what's used to etch porcelain bathtubs for "refinishing"
>>> with epoxy paints. Even leaving chlorine bleach solution puddled
>>> on the tub surface will etch it -- I found that out the hard way.

>> Which acid or acids? Decades before I saw "Breaking Bad", I knew
>> that hydrofluoric acid attacked glass and porcelain. But hydrochloric?

> I recently discovered that caustic soda in an ultrasonic cleaner
> is capable of etching the glaze off spark plug insulators.

Okay, but we're talking about acids directly applied to porcelain.

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TOPIC: Roost Session Master , 1976
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 3:23 am
From: "N_Cook"

Counted off with no breaks, paint stripper on outer layer and then blast of
hot air if the wire was "grabbing" . No hot spot or shorted turns. Break 5mm
from the end due to mechanical strain presumably.
No wonder only 0.2R over the inner coil , it is .78mm diameter wire. 3 amps
of audio ac expected ? , I can see 0.6mm wire going back there ,or whatever,
for 1 layer of same number of turns
1 and a part layers , the part layer had ruckled under the tape allowing
the thin wire turns to drop off at the ends , hence grabbing on counting
off, and pushing radially over the wire lead-out, especially as a few part
turns to take up the recess from the thick wire part turn. Surprisingly no
obvious punch through between primary and secondary (which is which in this
circumstance?) as ruckling had allowed fine wires to touch thick wires it
would seem, bypassing the intended interlayer tape

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 5:04 am
From: "N_Cook"

anyone aware what the innards of valve/tube output matching transformers
look like? do they have air gapped soft iron aggregated E& aggregated I
laminations ?

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TOPIC: Automotive battery charger circuit breaker.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 30 2010 5:06 am
From: PeterD

On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 23:35:28 GMT, Sy <sci_5801@telus.net> wrote:

>On 2010-08-28 10:58, Jamie wrote:
>> Sy wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>> Does anyone know where to find a replacement circuit breaker for a 6A
>>> automotive battery charger?
>>>
>>> The charger is from the '70's, a simple basic transformer and 2 diodes . The
>>> circuit breaker is the type that automatically resets. The old one was a
>>> little glass tube, but I've seen the type that are square with threaded
>>> terminals too. Either one would work.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>> You need a BI metal circuit breaker..
>>
>> Just go to your local auto parts store and get a
>> plug breaker used for power windows etc in the upper cars..
>>
>>
>>
>Thanks, I tried those plug-in breakers. They all seem to be type II, such that
>the power has to be removed for the device to reset. I also tried the little PTC
>devices, similarly they won't reset with the load still there.
>
>Littlefuse 812006 seems to be what I need, now all I have to do is find a source
>nearby.
>
>Thanks.

Again, automotive circuit breakers do exactly what you want. None
require that the load be lifted to reset, they are simple thermal
devices that cool and restore the circuit.

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