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TOPIC: LCD conductive tape
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 12:27 am
From: "N_Cook"

Mark <makolber@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:caf5c3f8-b62b-41fc-8449-972952da2e5b@26g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...

> > It's not zebra strip.
> > It's not flexible flat cable FFC which is actual wire.
> > This stuff is actually adhesive tape with conductive (black) ink.
>
> > What is this stuff called so I can search for it?
>
> > Anybody seen it for sale anywhere?
>
> > thanks
> > Mark
>

>
> If it were me though, I would wedge foam in there like others have
> suggested.
>
> -Mike

Spehro, and the others..

thank you..."heat seal connectors" is the term.

http://www.yipshing.com.hk/ok/lcd_connector.htm

I should have just arranged something to press and hold it in place
but I already pulled it off, so I'll chalk this on up to lesson
learned. It was a $5 clock so no big deal.

If you come across this stuff, do NOT pull it off, that will only make
it worse.

Mark

&&&&&&&&

I was just going to ask if anyone had a URL for this stuff

I wonder if there is a living to be made by a native English speaker
technical author contacting these Chinese and HK companies and charging for
tidying up their "english"

Anyone happen to know what the bonding chemical is ?

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 1:09 am
From: "Michael Kennedy"

"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ibdkv6$frp$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Mark <makolber@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:caf5c3f8-b62b-41fc-8449-972952da2e5b@26g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
>
>> > It's not zebra strip.
>> > It's not flexible flat cable FFC which is actual wire.
>> > This stuff is actually adhesive tape with conductive (black) ink.
>>
>> > What is this stuff called so I can search for it?
>>
>> > Anybody seen it for sale anywhere?
>>
>> > thanks
>> > Mark
>>
>
>>
>> If it were me though, I would wedge foam in there like others have
>> suggested.
>>
>> -Mike
>
> Spehro, and the others..
>
> thank you..."heat seal connectors" is the term.
>
> http://www.yipshing.com.hk/ok/lcd_connector.htm
>
> I should have just arranged something to press and hold it in place
> but I already pulled it off, so I'll chalk this on up to lesson
> learned. It was a $5 clock so no big deal.
>
> If you come across this stuff, do NOT pull it off, that will only make
> it worse.
>
> Mark
>
> &&&&&&&&
>
> I was just going to ask if anyone had a URL for this stuff
>
> I wonder if there is a living to be made by a native English speaker
> technical author contacting these Chinese and HK companies and charging
> for
> tidying up their "english"

Actually yes, at least in Japan there is. I don't have any expirence in
China, but I know for a fact here in Japan there are jobs for native
speakers all over the place in correcting "Engrish"..

Mike

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 4:39 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> I wonder if there is a living to be made by a native-English
> speaker technical author contacting these Chinese and HK
> companies and charging for tidying up their "english"?

The term is "Engrish", and NO, THERE IS NOT.

I've been trying "forever" to get several companies, native and foreign --
including National Semiconductor -- to pay me to edit their docuementation.
THEY WILL NOT. It is of less than zero concern to them. As long as they make
money, the quality of their user manuals, etc, does not matter.

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 5:37 am
From: Spehro Pefhany

On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:09:44 +0900, "Michael Kennedy"
<mike@nospam.com> wrote:

>
>> I wonder if there is a living to be made by a native English speaker
>> technical author contacting these Chinese and HK companies and charging
>> for
>> tidying up their "english"
>
>Actually yes, at least in Japan there is. I don't have any expirence in
>China, but I know for a fact here in Japan there are jobs for native
>speakers all over the place in correcting "Engrish"..
>
>Mike

Probably, if it was reasonably priced. On a somewhat related note, I
recently met a middle-aged Brit lady who lives on Lantau in HK. One of
her part-time income streams is short term contracts where she is
flown to a factory on the mainland and she tries on their prototype
bras and offers feedback on fit, support etc. Fairly lucrative by the
hour, if one is the type of woman who can't run without suffering two
black eyes...

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 5:41 am
From: Spehro Pefhany

On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:39:19 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

>> I wonder if there is a living to be made by a native-English
>> speaker technical author contacting these Chinese and HK
>> companies and charging for tidying up their "english"?
>
>The term is "Engrish", and NO, THERE IS NOT.
>
>I've been trying "forever" to get several companies, native and foreign --
>including National Semiconductor -- to pay me to edit their docuementation.
>THEY WILL NOT. It is of less than zero concern to them. As long as they make
>money, the quality of their user manuals, etc, does not matter.

Probably they'd find it embarassing to admit that their
"docuementation" was in any way lacking. Maybe with a bit of guangxi..

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 6:07 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

>> I've been trying "forever" to get several companies, native and
>> foreign -- including National Semiconductor -- to pay me to edit
>> their docuementation. THEY WILL NOT. It is of less than zero
>> concern to them. As long as they make money, the quality of
>> their user manuals, etc, does not matter.

> Probably they'd find it embarassing to admit that their
> "docuementation" was in any way lacking. Maybe with a bit of guangxi...

I've long felt it's largely a matter of "face".

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 9:27 am
From: "Michael Kennedy"

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ibe8ve$bt7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> I've been trying "forever" to get several companies, native and
>>> foreign -- including National Semiconductor -- to pay me to edit
>>> their docuementation. THEY WILL NOT. It is of less than zero
>>> concern to them. As long as they make money, the quality of
>>> their user manuals, etc, does not matter.
>
>> Probably they'd find it embarassing to admit that their
>> "docuementation" was in any way lacking. Maybe with a bit of guangxi...
>
> I've long felt it's largely a matter of "face".
>
>

I would say you are correct. I would immagine that National is a traditional
Japanese company, which is unfriendly to change or outsiders. Its the more
forward thinking companies here that are actually worreid about their
English. Funny how corporate mindset here seems to be 20 years behind the
majority of the midset of people that I meet. Guess thats also falls back to
rules are to be followed rule.. (me at work) "Why are we doing this?" (boss)
"Thats just how we do it." (doesnt know why either) Now I think about it
this can be appled to corporations in the US also.. :[ Just seems like
people here never ask why.

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 9:34 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

"Michael Kennedy" <mikek400@crap.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:opSdnfdSfZeXS0fRnZ2dnVY3go6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ibe8ve$bt7$1@news.eternal-september.org...

>>>> I've been trying "forever" to get several companies, native and
>>>> foreign -- including National Semiconductor -- to pay me to edit
>>>> their docuementation. THEY WILL NOT. It is of less than zero
>>>> concern to them. As long as they make money, the quality of
>>>> their user manuals, etc, does not matter.

>>> Probably they'd find it embarassing to admit that their
>>> "docuementation" was in any way lacking. Maybe with a bit of guangxi...

>> I've long felt it's largely a matter of "face".

> I would say you are correct.

Thanks for agreeing.

> I would immagine that National is a traditional Japanese company,
> which is unfriendly to change or outsiders.

National Semiconductor is an American company. You're thinking of Panasonic.

> Its the more forward thinking companies here that are actually worreid
> about their English. Funny how corporate mindset here seems to be 20
> years behind the majority of the midset of people that I meet. Guess that
> also falls back to rules are to be followed rule.. (me at work) "Why are
we
> doing this?" (boss) "Thats just how we do it." (doesnt know why either).
> Now I think about it this can be appled to corporations in the US also...
:[
> Just seems like people here never ask why.

I've worked at and for Microsoft, and it seemed fairly concerned about
providing good documentation in other languages. Whether it did or not, I
don't know. I can tell you that Steve Ballmer has less-than-zero concern
about its English documentation. (I can show you the e-mail to prove it.)

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 11:50 am
From: adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham)

Michael Kennedy <mike@nospam.com> wrote:

> "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ibdkv6$frp$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> > Mark <makolber@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:caf5c3f8-b62b-41fc-8449-972952da2e5b@26g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
[...]
> > I wonder if there is a living to be made by a native English speaker
> > technical author contacting these Chinese and HK companies and charging
> > for
> > tidying up their "english"
>
> Actually yes, at least in Japan there is. I don't have any expirence in
> China, but I know for a fact here in Japan there are jobs for native
> speakers all over the place in correcting "Engrish"..

...and correcting the spelling of words like "experience"? :-)

--
~ Adrian Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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TOPIC: RIP
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 2:21 am
From: "Mark Zacharias"

"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:8ZmCo.61194$GP2.55876@newsfe30.ams2...
>
>
> "Mark Zacharias" <mark_zacharias@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:4cd93df7$0$17379$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to take a moment to tell you all a bit about my brother.
>>
>> Jay Zacharias passed away November 5 in Seattle, Washington. He was 56
>> years old.
>>
>> He was an accomplished broadcast engineer for Tribune Broadcasting,
>> Journal Broadcasting, and at various times for each of the regular
>> over-the-air stations in Wichita, KS (USA). He supervised the MTS stereo
>> audio conversions for KPTS and KWCH in Wichita, and later Journal and
>> Tribune's conversions to the digital broadcast formats in Traverse City
>> MI. and in Seattle. In each case he did not merely "supervise"; he was
>> hands-on physically involved.
>>
>> In the 80's and early 90's Jay was a product support engineer for the old
>> Ampex Magnetic Tape Division, and supervised the restoration of many old
>> analog masters which had deteriorated with binder problems, and was an
>> expert on the subject.
>>
>> He is survived by his wife Mary, and two daughters (well, and me...)
>>
>> Jay was suffering liver cancer, and knew the end was coming. You never
>> could imagine anyone handling this so well, a tribute to his belief in a
>> life after. He did his best to make sure his work and personal affairs
>> were in the best possible order. He was able to work up until the last
>> couple weeks.
>>
>> Ironically, he gave me his Tektronix multimeter and 'scope. I haven't had
>> the heart to even open the box.
>>
>> RIP bro'. You will be missed.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Z.
>>
>
> Feelings for your loss as passed between us privately earlier in the week
> ...
>
> Arfa

Hey, Geoff.

Thanks again.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 4:03 am
From: Tim Schwartz

On 11/9/2010 7:26 AM, Mark Zacharias wrote:
>
>
>
> I would like to take a moment to tell you all a bit about my brother.
>
> Jay Zacharias passed away November 5 in Seattle, Washington. He was 56
> years old.
>
> He was an accomplished broadcast engineer for Tribune Broadcasting,
> Journal Broadcasting, and at various times for each of the regular
> over-the-air stations in Wichita, KS (USA). He supervised the MTS stereo
> audio conversions for KPTS and KWCH in Wichita, and later Journal and
> Tribune's conversions to the digital broadcast formats in Traverse City
> MI. and in Seattle. In each case he did not merely "supervise"; he was
> hands-on physically involved.
>
> In the 80's and early 90's Jay was a product support engineer for the
> old Ampex Magnetic Tape Division, and supervised the restoration of many
> old analog masters which had deteriorated with binder problems, and was
> an expert on the subject.
>
> He is survived by his wife Mary, and two daughters (well, and me...)
>
> Jay was suffering liver cancer, and knew the end was coming. You never
> could imagine anyone handling this so well, a tribute to his belief in a
> life after. He did his best to make sure his work and personal affairs
> were in the best possible order. He was able to work up until the last
> couple weeks.
>
> Ironically, he gave me his Tektronix multimeter and 'scope. I haven't
> had the heart to even open the box.
>
> RIP bro'. You will be missed.
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark Z.
>

Mark,

Please accept my condolences.

Best regards,
Tim Schwartz
Bristol Electronics

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 7:33 pm
From: "Mark Zacharias"

"Tim Schwartz" <tim@bristolnj.com> wrote in message
news:4CDA8A07.3080003@bristolnj.com...
> On 11/9/2010 7:26 AM, Mark Zacharias wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to take a moment to tell you all a bit about my brother.
>>
>> Jay Zacharias passed away November 5 in Seattle, Washington. He was 56
>> years old.
>>
>> He was an accomplished broadcast engineer for Tribune Broadcasting,
>> Journal Broadcasting, and at various times for each of the regular
>> over-the-air stations in Wichita, KS (USA). He supervised the MTS stereo
>> audio conversions for KPTS and KWCH in Wichita, and later Journal and
>> Tribune's conversions to the digital broadcast formats in Traverse City
>> MI. and in Seattle. In each case he did not merely "supervise"; he was
>> hands-on physically involved.
>>
>> In the 80's and early 90's Jay was a product support engineer for the
>> old Ampex Magnetic Tape Division, and supervised the restoration of many
>> old analog masters which had deteriorated with binder problems, and was
>> an expert on the subject.
>>
>> He is survived by his wife Mary, and two daughters (well, and me...)
>>
>> Jay was suffering liver cancer, and knew the end was coming. You never
>> could imagine anyone handling this so well, a tribute to his belief in a
>> life after. He did his best to make sure his work and personal affairs
>> were in the best possible order. He was able to work up until the last
>> couple weeks.
>>
>> Ironically, he gave me his Tektronix multimeter and 'scope. I haven't
>> had the heart to even open the box.
>>
>> RIP bro'. You will be missed.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Z.
>>
>
> Mark,
>
> Please accept my condolences.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Tim Schwartz
> Bristol Electronics

Thanks, Tim.

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Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 7:55 am
From: George Herold

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> wrote:
>
> > We do fire alarm system inspections. To test smoke detectors we use a
> > spray can... high cathedral
> > ceilings. ...
> > the equipment which is needed to reach these detectors in the
> > sanctuaries in both buildings will cost me over 400.00
>
> So, how about a smoke candle stub in a wire-cage, and one of those
> little RC helicopters?

Oh, I've always wanted one of the RC blimps. That would be great fun
flying around in a church.

"Say Deacon, it's been a month since I last tested the smoke detector
better get the blimp out."

George H.
>
> Or a smoke-ring blower (takes an oatmeal can and a rubber-glove and
> a bit of string) on a stick? You can aim the smoke-ring in still
> air...
>
> It doesn't have to be 'official' equipment, does it?

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TOPIC: Cockpit Voice Recorder Panel CVR Control Unit A152B Condenser Mic
Fairchild Loral
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 2:56 pm
From: "Wild_Bill"

Maybe someone here is familiar with the preamp circuit in this unit.. if so,
I'd be glad to hear about it.

Model A152B
Labeled as Fairchild unit, but I've also seen references to L3
Communications.
P/n 93-A152-20 93A152
Model A152B
Primarily installed in commercial aircraft

Manufacture was about 1990, although in service until 2003 or possibly still
utilized. Newer digital cockpit voice recorder systems are replacing the
older units.

Contents of the small enclosure are condenser microphone, mic preamp board,
headset jack, Test switch, Erase switch, test meter and a 41-pin connector.

The overall connectivity to the unit is a bit weird, definitely unlike
typical audio equipment, in that the mic, preamp input and outputs, headset
jack, meter and switch connections are all routed to pins in the 41-pin
connector.
This means that the mic, meter and switches, headset jack etc, don't connect
to the preamp internally.

I realize that this control unit was part of a larger system with a lot of
interconnections between cockpit, radio, intercom stations and a recording
unit placed far back in the airframe.

It just seems odd to me that the weak mic signal would be sent out of the
box instead of passing thru the preamp first, as the preamp output would be
stronger to send to a remote location.

I have a reasonably good idea of the connections to the preamp board, but a
schematic would be great to have.
Unfortunately, the circuit details don't appear to be available from any
source that I could find, although there are numerous repair/reconditioning
services, so some servicing/testing info is available (possibly from the OEM
or reverse-engineered circuit details).

The preamp circuit isn't extremely complicated or large.. the board measures
about 2" x 3.5" and the components are thru-hole devices which compliment 6
transistors (one 2N2483 and five 2N915).

If I understand the info that I was able to find, the preamp board includes
a tone oscillator for the test mode (pressing Test switch generates a tone,
verified by headset speakers), and the additional transistors make up the
preamp circuit.

The headset jack, BTW, doesn't include a mic input, just a mono source for
headset speaker(s).

There is a 6.2V zener diode in the power supply string that I believe is the
DC voltage applied to the condenser mic, although it too, is connected to
the 41-pin connector, not internally.

What I'd like to do is connect the mic to the preamp and possibly modify the
power requirement from 18VDC to 12V (resistor(s) change).

If my deductions are correct, the 18V supply first passes thru a small
1N4735A diode which indicates that the preamp circuit current draw is fairly
low (continuous max current rating is only about 200mA for this diode, if
the specs that I found are correct, but this diode could be replaced).

Having the test meter indicate a good audio signal level, and a functioning
test tone would be desireable.. also a monitor signal at the headset jack
might also be handy.
The test meter is marked FS DC MA 233.. so it wasn't likely normally be
powered by the preamp circuit.

The scale of the test meter is 0-10, with 7.5-10 being in the Good range.
The test meter may require an opamp or other circuit for it to be integrated
into the preamp.

http://www.seaerospace.com/loral/a152.htm

Power: 18VDC

AGC: Fast reacting 30-dB range-low distortion, true ac attenuation
Audio Input Impedence: 20K ohms
Audio Input Level: 3 millivolts

Output Impedence: 300 ohms
Output Level: 500 millivolts

Audio Gain: Pin selected 6,12,24 dB steps

It appears that the 3 gain levels are available on 3 separate pins of the
41-pin connector).
(no selector switch or other means to select gain, which is probably set by
external means, or possibly wired into the connector of different models of
aircraft).

No internal lamps for panel illumination.

--
Cheers,
WB
.............

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 6:08 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Wild_Bill wrote:
>
> Maybe someone here is familiar with the preamp circuit in this unit.. if so,
> I'd be glad to hear about it.
>
> Model A152B
> Labeled as Fairchild unit, but I've also seen references to L3
> Communications.
> P/n 93-A152-20 93A152
> Model A152B
> Primarily installed in commercial aircraft

L3-Communciations bought up a lot of small companies and divisions of
large corporations in the mid '90s. Good luck getting anything from
them. They also own Cincinnati Electronics and Microdyne.

--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 8:29 pm
From: "bg"

Craftsman model 1425301 battery charger (for power tools)
Zener Diode D10 is blown. Anybody know what value it is?
thx
bg

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Date: Wed, Nov 10 2010 10:30 pm
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Date: Thurs, Nov 11 2010 1:21 am
From: "Arfa Daily"

Remember my post a few weeks back "Another Reason to Hate CFLs" ? Well,
here's yet another. That one that I put in my bench light, that started it
all, has now become so dim, that it is worse than useless. It has been
getting worse and worse over the last week. There are signs of the ballast
enclosure running hot, so I guess that any electros in there, have just
cooked dry, due to the fact that it is predominantly hanging down, in a
semi-enclosed 'shade', much like a lot of household room and decorative
lighting does. They are fundamentally a crap technology that has been forced
on a largely unwanting public, by supposedly green issues with a dubious
foundation in fact.

I know a lot of people on here seem to like the dreadful things, and swear
by them, but my continuing experience, judged from when they first appeared,
right up until now, just makes me want to swear *at* them ...

I have now found an internet site selling all varieties of incandescents,
including 60 watt pearl, so I shall be stocking up post haste. I have also
just started trying out the halogen versions of traditional light bulbs,
which still seem to make it into the eco-bollox "book of energy savers",
even though they only consume a few watts less than their equivalent
light-output 'traditional' tungsten cousins. Thus far, I am impressed. I
now have a 70 watt actual, 100 watt equivalent, fitted to my hallway main
light fixture. It is very bright, very easy (for me anyway) to see by, and
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unlike the CFLs, which no matter how much anyone says that *they* can't tell
the difference with, *I* can ... d :-\

Arfa

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