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* Batteries That Do Not Leak w/Age? - 9 messages, 4 authors
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* HS-U580 Mitsubishi RF output issue - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/1b13fb4c0caeca33?hl=en
* RAC Portable Power Station, need DC adaptor spec - 4 messages, 4 authors
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* free shipping PAYPAL payment HANDBAG(LV,GUCCI,CHANEL,PRADA,COACH,FENDI,CHLOE,
BUBERRY,JUICY AND SO ON)http://www.24hour-buy.com/ - 1 messages, 1 author
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* paypal payment Lacoste polo t shirt china supplier - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Roland XP 60 , 5 octave keyboard , 1997 - 2 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Batteries That Do Not Leak w/Age?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/fd55784ea36aafe5?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 2 2010 12:23 pm
From: David Nebenzahl


On 12/2/2010 12:13 PM Jeff Liebermann spake thus:

> On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:56:32 -0800, David Nebenzahl
> <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>
>> So bottom line is that with the software I have, including a pretty
>> up-to-date version of FF, I cannot view this page.
>
> Try again. It seems to be back up this morning.
> <http://www.candlepowerforums.com>
> Hmmm... still has problems. It wants me to register/login before I
> can use the search box. I don't think it did that before the upgrade.

Judging from the number of error messages that IE (5) reports when
loading that page, there are some serious problems on the sending side
of that site. I don't think it's our software.

Too bad; the content over there is intriguing.

(By the way, the URL that eventually loads is
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/portal/index.php. Is that correct?)


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)


== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 2 2010 12:40 pm
From: Sjouke Burry


Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:56:32 -0800, David Nebenzahl
> <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>
>> So bottom line is that with the software I have, including a pretty
>> up-to-date version of FF, I cannot view this page.
>
> Try again. It seems to be back up this morning.
> <http://www.candlepowerforums.com>
> Hmmm... still has problems. It wants me to register/login before I
> can use the search box. I don't think it did that before the upgrade.
>
>
Oh no, only if you want to post there.
You can , without login read all of it.
The site is a nice demo, opening a thread is dead slowwww......
And the site does not bother my FF (celeron,xp sp3, ff2.0.0.24)


== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 2 2010 1:53 pm
From: "Wild_Bill"


I'm another user that knows he can easily live without all of the latest
crap that's pumped out every day.

My AVG-free is free to update when needed, everything else is turned off,
that means everything that I can find and manually turn off.

This hack/spit Vista (still just an incomplete W 3.1) machine is about 5
years old, and from the first day of use, before attaching the (modem line
at the time) cable for internet access, I shut off all of the "phone home"
and "report this" and check for updates crap that I could find.

I rarely install anything I've heard or read about, couldn't give a FRA
about reviews, and don't care if it's free.

--
Cheers,
WB
.............


"David Nebenzahl" <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:4cf7fd79$0$2411$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com...
>
> I have to say--and this is a little off-topic, I realize--that with all
> due respect to your astute observations of my software revision levels, I
> have no intention of upgrading my copy of Thunderbird. And this is
> deliberate on my part.
>
> Why? Because upgrading Firefox, my web browser, is one thing. If it fucks
> up, all I lose is, basically, nothing (I keep my bookmarks backed up well
> enough). But if the Tbird install goes haywire, I stand to lose a lot: my
> previous email messages, address book, not to mention newsgroup stuff. Oh,
> I wouldn't actually *lose* it: I know where the inboxes and such reside,
> and can save and restore them, but it's a PAIN IN THE ASS that I wish to
> avoid.
>
> I've had enough bad luck with this geek-produced software that I'm quite
> gun shy about upgrading. And while there are plenty of annoying things
> about Thunderbird (like why, on my machine with not a lot of RAM, it
> exhibits the most piss-poor memory management I've seen of ANY application
> EVER, resulting in occasional "naps" of up to a minute while it scrambles
> to purge and reallocate memory), it's a case of better the devil you know;
> I'm not interested in discovering all those NEW bugs they've introduced
> after fixing the old ones.
>
> So thanks, but no thanks.
>
> We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.
>
>
> --
> The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
> with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.
>
> - Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 2 2010 2:01 pm
From: David Nebenzahl


On 12/2/2010 1:53 PM Wild_Bill spake thus:

> I'm another user that knows he can easily live without all of the latest
> crap that's pumped out every day.

Thanks for that.

Now that I've got you on the line, can I make a request of you? Could
you please not top-post? If you look, you'll see that, like, 99.9% of
posters here bottom post.

Now, I know you're a wild guy and all and don't want to be tied down by
boring convention, but this is one that actually makes sense.

Anyhow, just a request.

> "David Nebenzahl" <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
> news:4cf7fd79$0$2411$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com...
>
>> I have to say--and this is a little off-topic, I realize--that with
>> all due respect to your astute observations of my software
>> revision levels, I have no intention of upgrading my copy of
>> Thunderbird. And this is deliberate on my part.
>>
>> Why? Because upgrading Firefox, my web browser, is one thing. If it
>> fucks up, all I lose is, basically, nothing (I keep my bookmarks
>> backed up well enough). But if the Tbird install goes haywire, I
>> stand to lose a lot: my previous email messages, address book, not
>> to mention newsgroup stuff. Oh, I wouldn't actually *lose* it: I
>> know where the inboxes and such reside, and can save and restore
>> them, but it's a PAIN IN THE ASS that I wish to avoid.
>>
>> I've had enough bad luck with this geek-produced software that I'm
>> quite gun shy about upgrading. And while there are plenty of
>> annoying things about Thunderbird (like why, on my machine with not
>> a lot of RAM, it exhibits the most piss-poor memory management
>> I've seen of ANY application EVER, resulting in occasional "naps"
>> of up to a minute while it scrambles to purge and reallocate
>> memory), it's a case of better the devil you know; I'm not
>> interested in discovering all those NEW bugs they've introduced
>> after fixing the old ones.
>>
>> So thanks, but no thanks.
>>
>> We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)


== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 2 2010 4:10 pm
From: Jeff Liebermann


On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:12:41 -0800, David Nebenzahl
<nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:

>I have no intention of upgrading my copy of Thunderbird. And this is
>deliberate on my part.

Permit me to offer a dissenting opinion on the matter.

Security Advisories for Thunderbird 2.0
<http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/thunderbird20.html>

>Why? Because upgrading Firefox, my web browser, is one thing. If it
>fucks up, all I lose is, basically, nothing (I keep my bookmarks backed
>up well enough). But if the Tbird install goes haywire, I stand to lose
>a lot: my previous email messages, address book, not to mention
>newsgroup stuff. Oh, I wouldn't actually *lose* it: I know where the
>inboxes and such reside, and can save and restore them, but it's a PAIN
>IN THE ASS that I wish to avoid.

How to backup Thunderbird email and settings:
<http://www.iopus.com/guides/thunderbird-backup.htm>
There are also programs and plug-ins to make it easier:
<http://www.freeemailtutorials.com/mozillaThunderbird/backupRestore.cwd>
<http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com>
etc.

Personally, I don't like any of these methods. I run image backups of
the entire hard disk to either a USB drive or over the network to my
NAS (network attached storage) box. This weeks favorite is Acronis
True Image Home 2011.
<http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/index.html>

>I've had enough bad luck with this geek-produced software that I'm quite
>gun shy about upgrading.

Same here, but with one difference. I do computer support as a
business and find that it is important to experience upgrades and
other disasters prior to when my customers experience the same
problems. This way, I can answer the panic calls intelligently. For
example:
<http://forums.avg.com/ww-en/avg-free-forum?sec=thread&act=show&id=132999>
Oops(tm).

To give you a better perspective of what you're attempting, try going
through an entire day without making any mistakes. Everything has to
work perfectly at the first attempt. That's not easy to do, even
consciously. If you try it for an extended period, you'll find that
paranoia is the inevitable result, where you do nothing rather than
risk failure. You can't run your life that way, and you should not
try to run your computer that way. If you want to minimize risk, but
not eliminate it completely, it might be best to DELAY upgrades,
instead of ignoring them.

>And while there are plenty of annoying things
>about Thunderbird (like why, on my machine with not a lot of RAM, it
>exhibits the most piss-poor memory management I've seen of ANY
>application EVER, resulting in occasional "naps" of up to a minute while
>it scrambles to purge and reallocate memory), it's a case of better the
>devil you know; I'm not interested in discovering all those NEW bugs
>they've introduced after fixing the old ones.

My customers sometimes ask me "is it time to upgrade"? It's a silly
question because the answer is always obvious. When the machine
becomes painful to use, won't do certain things, and burns time like
the government burns tax revenue, then it's obviously time to upgrade.
I still have machines running W2K because I'm cheap and they're not
worth the cost of an XP license. However, if money is the problem,
then a major upgrade to 3.5GB RAM (the maximum for a 32 bit OS) would
cost you the least.

Incidentally, I'm now resurrecting a Thinkpad X30 PIII/1.2GHz laptop
that looks like it was probably last used as a frizbee.
Dr Frankenstein's monster looked better after I glued everything
together with globs of epoxy. Still, it runs XP SP3 quite nicely, so
it will probably find some use, somewhere.

>So thanks, but no thanks.

You're welcome anyway.

>We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.

--
# Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060
# 831-336-2558
# http://802.11junk.com jeffl@cruzio.com
# http://www.LearnByDestroying.com AE6KS


== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 2 2010 4:16 pm
From: Jeff Liebermann


On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:23:19 -0800, David Nebenzahl
<nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:

>On 12/2/2010 12:13 PM Jeff Liebermann spake thus:
>
>> On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:56:32 -0800, David Nebenzahl
>> <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>>
>>> So bottom line is that with the software I have, including a pretty
>>> up-to-date version of FF, I cannot view this page.
>>
>> Try again. It seems to be back up this morning.
>> <http://www.candlepowerforums.com>
>> Hmmm... still has problems. It wants me to register/login before I
>> can use the search box. I don't think it did that before the upgrade.
>
>Judging from the number of error messages that IE (5) reports when
>loading that page, there are some serious problems on the sending side
>of that site. I don't think it's our software.

I'll call your 5 and raise you to 11 errors. Go thee unto:
<http://validator.w3.org>
and inscribe http://www.candlepowerforums.com in the URL box.
The errors look like they're coming from the CMS (content manglement
system), which is apparently http://www.vbulletin.com of which I know
zilch.

>Too bad; the content over there is intriguing.

Form follows function. I know you'll enjoy the content. If you do
anything with lighting or lighting power, it's the best forum.

>(By the way, the URL that eventually loads is
>http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/portal/index.php. Is that correct?)

Yes. That's the start page. Seems to be slowing down as the day
progresses.

--
# Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060
# 831-336-2558
# http://802.11junk.com jeffl@cruzio.com
# http://www.LearnByDestroying.com AE6KS


== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 2 2010 7:34 pm
From: "Wild_Bill"


I respect your courteous request David, as they're generally accompanied by
numerous names and pissy remarks. Or they just filter me, but that's their
privilege.

Bottom posting isn't sensible, or I would have been doing it for the last
12-14 years.
So you see, this is my conventional method.

I've always top-posted for the obvious reason.. convenience for others.
Before scroll mice, it was even slower to get to the bottom of a post to see
a reply.

If you look at a typical thread that's been receiving replies for a couple
of days, there is a lot of previously read junk to scroll down thru to get
to a reply that may be a couple of words. It simply amounts to a lot of
wasted time.

So your position is that everyone should waste that time, because of some
outdated method based on the early BBS networks, correct?

When early online communication began, there were a lot of really slow
connections in the networks, and top posting could've been annoying, when
seeing a post start with a reply at the top because the original post hadn't
made it's way to all points in the network.
Those days are essentially gone forever. If anyone still isn't getting
quality feeds for newsgroups, they should find another service. This APN is
only $3/mo.

After all.. I was replying to you, and you probably knew exactly what the
reply was in regard to, yes?

Years ago, with much less stable feeds, I often encountered dropped
messages, but even then, reading a couple of other replies would reveal the
details of the original post.

Many posters quote everything sent previously by others. After several days,
there is a huge mess to go past, to see a reply.
Trimming previous replies from earlier posts is apparently too much work for
them, and finding the reply comments is often tedious.

As you can see, I've trimmed the previous post, since I'm addressing a
different topic, but there was no need to scroll down past it.

--
Cheers,
WB
.............


"David Nebenzahl" <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:4cf816f0$0$2418$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com...
> On 12/2/2010 1:53 PM Wild_Bill spake thus:
>
>> I'm another user that knows he can easily live without all of the latest
>> crap that's pumped out every day.
>
> Thanks for that.
>
> Now that I've got you on the line, can I make a request of you? Could you
> please not top-post? If you look, you'll see that, like, 99.9% of posters
> here bottom post.
>
> Now, I know you're a wild guy and all and don't want to be tied down by
> boring convention, but this is one that actually makes sense.
>
> Anyhow, just a request.
>

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 2 2010 7:54 pm
From: David Nebenzahl


On 12/2/2010 7:34 PM Wild_Bill spake thus:

> If you look at a typical thread that's been receiving replies for a couple
> of days, there is a lot of previously read junk to scroll down thru to get
> to a reply that may be a couple of words. It simply amounts to a lot of
> wasted time.
>
> So your position is that everyone should waste that time, because of some
> outdated method based on the early BBS networks, correct?

No, it's because there's this advanced technique called "trimming",
which I just demonstrated here. No need to mindlessly copy every part of
a message in a deeply-nested thread. Duh.


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)


== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 2 2010 11:28 pm
From: "Wild_Bill"


I fully agree with your demonstration of trimming, which I had also done and
explained, however it was snipped.

You and I could describe and demonstrate trimming endlessly, and it won't
convince the typical usenet user to trim posts before sending them.
The majority are just too lazy and/or inconsiderate, which no amount of
exchanges will change.

--
Cheers,
WB
.............


"David Nebenzahl" <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:4cf8699d$0$2409$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com...

Duh.


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TOPIC: HS-U580 Mitsubishi RF output issue
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/1b13fb4c0caeca33?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 2 2010 12:34 pm
From: "Brenda Ann"


"Bruce Esquibel" wrote in message
news:id8e1a$jr4$1@remote5bge0.ripco.com...

bob u <sound@inetnebr.com> wrote:

> yes, its blue with no audio on both VCR tuner and VCR tape.
> But they both work on the Video line output jacks.

You said earlier, "This does not sound like a modulator issue", but it seems
to be one to me. I'm not familar with that model but many vcr's get the
audio/video feed into the modulator from the a/v jacks, or the same path.

So generally if you have composite working but no r/f, it's something with
the modulator.

Also, are you sure the vcr is the one producing the blue screen? Most tv's
within the last couple decades go to blue screen if no rf signal is present
on a channel.

If the modulator is dead, or not getting power, would make sense with the
blue screen.

Generally modulators have a switched 5 or 12 volts fed to them when "on".

Usually only 5 or 6 pins.

Without a schematic, I'd just use a volt meter, touch each pin while
switching it from "tv" to "vcr" mode, one of them should swing from
next-to-nothing to +5 or +12.

If none do, it's in the switch circuit (schematic needed at this point), if
one pin does, it's probably the modulator. Would only take a few seconds at
this point with a scope to see if video and audio is present at the other
pins.

Basically, if you have power, video and audio going into the modulator and
nothing out, it's a bad modulator.

My guess is, if it was working and stopped working after a couple weeks with
the new owner, likely there is something he isn't telling you.

Many "bad" modulators went bad right after the owner tried to do something,
forced a cable in, bent pin, yanked the cable hard.

Many a modulator gets the center of the "out" jack cracked or broken off the
circuit board inside of it. Too little pad for too big of a connection. Any
abnormal force breaks it.

The hardest part to all of this is just gaining access to the modulator,
some are a peice of cake, some a pain in the ass.

But I'd still guess "something happend" when "it just quit working".

-bruce
bje@ripco.com


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Have you tried it with more than one television? If using a current model
equipped with an ATSC tuner, the NTSC is an afterthought, and often requires
a "perfect" signal to operate. VCR modulators are very crude devices, with
no appreciable filtering (the audio signal can be seen on both sides of the
carrier, there is no vestigial sideband filtering) which can cause the TV to
lock in to the wrong part of the signal (i.e. lock onto the first carrier it
sees: the audio carrier that shows up at the bottom of the 10 MHz wide
output channel).

Lots of incompatibility issues with the new generation of TV's..


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TOPIC: RAC Portable Power Station, need DC adaptor spec
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/b105b15b5ad9d933?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 2 2010 1:20 pm
From: "Wild_Bill"


I just got a similar unit about a week ago, and you won't likely know what's
inside until you open the case.

The Schumacher Instant Power 400 Peak Amps model IP-55 has a 12V 5Ah battery
and an internal charging circuit (AC transformer, circuit board, LEDs
red-yel-grn).

On the back of the unit, there is a flip-up set of (2) blades that fit a
standard NEMA 120VAC extension cord female connector. Any AC cord is just
connected to the 2 blades for charging.
The manual states that an optional 12V cord is available for charging from a
car lighter-socket "while driving" (inserted into the front DC power outlet
socket), which won't actually work well unless connected "while driving"
while the vehicle alternator is operating and the output voltage is about
13.8-14.2V.
Cable p/n 38-99-001564, which doesn't seem to exist.. not found on their
site or by Goog search.
A warning cautions that the unit's internal charge limiting circuit is not
applied when the adapter cord is in use, and the charge-level LEDs aren't
functional/reliable, so.. the user needs to disconnect the adapter cord and
check the level of charge frequently when using the charging cord, also
never used in excess of 4 hours, never unattended - risk of explosion or
fire, and disconnected when the engine is not running.

The unit's internal battery is connected directly to the big, external
battery terminal clamps, so one needs to avoid contacting the clamps to
anything conductive, or each other.
The front DC power outlet is connected directly to the internal battery,
with a 15A self-resetting circuit breaker in series.

Charging thru the front power outlet socket on these types of power-packs
should only be performed by use of an actual smart/automatic battery
charger.. one that will charge at a low rate (~1A maximum for a 5Ah battery
or C/0.2 rate) and capable of automatically stopping the charge cycle when a
fully charged state is attained.

--
Cheers,
WB
.............


"Adrian C" <email@here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8lp941F9unU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac327/turnstyler/IMG_3573.jpg
>
> A neighbour has dropped in with his discharged and dead "RAC Portable
> Power Station and Engine Starter" which he obtained without the necessary
> DC charger. The starter is a dayglo orange heavy thing with a handle and
> says it can crank 400 Amps.
>
> Anyway, written on the front of the DC input socket, it claims it needs
> 16V - so I've got it charging up of one of my laboratory supplies set at
> that.
>
> Initially connecting it up, it was was drawing about 100mA. After 5 hours
> it's now drawing 400mA. Must have some 'inteligence' in it.
>
> So I'd guess a 16V 500mA adaptor (or thereabouts) would be a suitable
> replacement. But to check if anyone has one of these, could ye check
> what's written on the mains adaptor? And can find for reference the user
> instructions?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Adrian C

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 2 2010 4:07 pm
From: "Dave Plowman (News)"


In article <nlqff6le70eicehuhjv66q20eo6vjngq2o@4ax.com>,
Terry Fields <no.spam.here@thanks.invalid> wrote:
> These days battery chargers are very sophisticated things in how they
> treat batteries. If your friend has more than one battery to care for,
> an Optimate or Accumate charger might be a good idea, but they aren't
> cheap.

No need to pay silly prices for a sophisticated battery charger. Lidl and
Aldi in the UK both do similar ones for about 14 gbp. They pulse charge a
flat battery, change to a normal charge, then switch to a maintenance one.
Get the same thing with a 'name' on it and you'll pay four times as much.

--
*They call it PMS because Mad Cow Disease was already taken.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 2 2010 4:42 pm
From: The Natural Philosopher


Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <nlqff6le70eicehuhjv66q20eo6vjngq2o@4ax.com>,
> Terry Fields <no.spam.here@thanks.invalid> wrote:
>> These days battery chargers are very sophisticated things in how they
>> treat batteries. If your friend has more than one battery to care for,
>> an Optimate or Accumate charger might be a good idea, but they aren't
>> cheap.
>
> No need to pay silly prices for a sophisticated battery charger. Lidl and
> Aldi in the UK both do similar ones for about 14 gbp. They pulse charge a
> flat battery, change to a normal charge, then switch to a maintenance one.
> Get the same thing with a 'name' on it and you'll pay four times as much.
>

Or get a decent RC charger for silly money

http://www.alwayshobbies.com/Boats/Radio-Control-Equipment/Cells$1Chargers/Chargers/Logic-Fusion-NX81-Variable-Output-AC-Delta-Peak-Charger.ice

variable rate 4-8 cells and hardly bank breaking.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 2 2010 5:19 pm
From: John MacLeod


On Dec 2, 10:01 am, Adrian C <em...@here.invalid> wrote:
> http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac327/turnstyler/IMG_3573.jpg
>
> A neighbour has dropped in with his discharged and dead "RAC Portable
> Power Station and Engine Starter" which he obtained without the
> necessary DC charger. The starter is a dayglo orange heavy thing with a
> handle and says it can crank 400 Amps.
>
> Anyway, written on the front of the DC input socket, it claims it needs
> 16V - so I've got it charging up of one of my laboratory supplies set at
> that.
>
> Initially connecting it up, it was was drawing about 100mA. After 5
> hours it's now drawing 400mA. Must have some 'inteligence' in it.
>
> So I'd guess a 16V 500mA adaptor (or thereabouts) would be a suitable
> replacement. But to check if anyone has one of these, could ye check
> what's written on the mains adaptor? And can find for reference the user
> instructions?
>

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 3 2010 12:36 am
From: "N_Cook"


Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
news:ommff69bntbifkjl81id1mbgi7oodbckev@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:11:54 -0000, "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >In for a power supply fault but while in there, the floppy drive has
never
> >worked. Would it be a standard PC drive? or known simple repairable stock
> >fault? It does klunk once, on pwering up , sort of PC fashion
>
> I just destroyed a Roland D-5 keyboard. What a piece of unrepairable
> junk. Hopefully, the XP-60 is better built. I could not determine if
> the XP-60 media uses 1.44MB or 720KB floppish. What is the make and
> muddle drive that is stock for the Roland XP-60?
> <http://www.vintagesynth.com/roland/xp60.php>
>
> I recently repaired a Korg DSS-1 with the traditional dead floppy disk
> drive problem.
> <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/Korg_DSS-1/>
> If your XP60 requires a 720KB floppy drive, instead of the usual
> 1.44MByte floppy drive, you have to find one that has suitable jumpers
> available. This might also help:
> <http://blog.retrosynth.com/archives/2005/08/fun_with_akai_m.html>
> If you're lucky, the only jumper you'll need to move is the drive
> select jumper, usually labeled DS0, DS1, DS2, and DS3. The common PC
> drive is set to DS1. Most of the synthesizers I've played with use
> DS0.
>
> Oddly, all of the five or so synthesizers I've fixed that had floppy
> drives have all had dead floppy disk drives. My guess(tm) is that
> they die from static discharge while shoving the floppy into the
> drive. That's what killed mine. I've thought of electroplating the
> plastic front panel of the drive with metallic chrome or other metal,
> to discharge the static before the floppy enters the drive.
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558


This one is back with its owner. The FDD would solenoid? click at power up
but no front LED, I assume a leads/connector problem unless a stuck spindle
could lead to lack of LED


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 3 2010 12:39 am
From: "N_Cook"


1.44MB on this XP 60


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