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TOPIC: *OT* Dragnet Episode
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 8:10 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

jeff_wisnia wrote:
>
> William Sommerwerck wrote:
> >>I don't know. Why don't you list the ones you DO remember, then go
> >>here http://www.tvhistory.tv/1950-59-ALL-USA.htm to fill in the
> >>blanks? FYI: They list 104 TV manufacturers for the years 1950-1959,
> >>running from A (Admiral) to Z (Zenith).
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the ref. At least 20% of the names were unfamiliar.
> >
> > The most-interesting was "Natalie Kalmus", the woman whose name appears as
> > "Technicolor consultant" on pre-1950 films. She was the once-wife of Herbert
> > Kalmus, the principal developer of Technicolor.
> >
> >
>
> My first job out of grad school in 1958 was with an R&D company,
> Comstock and Wescott, in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Before WWII ("The big
> one") the company's name was Kalmus, Comstock and Wescott, and I came to
> know them as the developers of the Technicolor color movie process
> through that association.
>
> When I joined them one of the products they had already developed and
> were trying to make a market for was a combination household
> refrigerator and domestic water heater. The heater tank was on top of an
> upright refrigerator and served as the condenser for the refrigeration
> system, recovering the heat removed from the refrigerator. They had
> named it "Stator".
>
> AFAIK that product never made it to market, possibly because it was too
> tall for the reduced ceiling heights prevalent after the war.
>
> While I was working there they were also developing household heating
> systems based on using off peak electrical energy to melt some kind of
> salt with a high latent heat of fusion stored in multiple narrow
> containers inside a "furnace plenum." The stored heat warmed air blown
> over those containers and was used to provide forced air heating.
>
> That one didn't take off back then either, but in the past year I've
> seen reference to something under development (again) which sounded similar.
>
> Thanks for the mammaries,

Have you ever seen a common water fountain hat was modified to
produce hot water? A second coil is added, near the condenser to adsorb
heat to provide hot water for a bathroom sink.

--
For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off
scientist!!!

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TOPIC: RAC Portable Power Station, need DC adaptor spec
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 1:49 am
From: "Dave Plowman (News)"

In article <tJOdnVZd_LO5ZJ_QnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
> >
> > In article <euednQmDP4tw6Z_QnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> > Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > [snip]
> >
> > > Tell me, what have you designed? Have you ever worked in a
> > > metrology lab repairing and calibrating test equipment? Have you
> > > built space qualified electronics and seen them used from space?
> >
> > If you're claiming to have done all this, how can you get it wrong
> > about something so simple as a modern battery tester?
> >
> > Perhaps you're just living in the past.

> Perhaps you live on a fantasy world.

Tell you what, Michael, buy one of these ACT units and give it a proper
work out.

I have one and say it does what it claims to do.

You don't, and appear to be basing your views on 'experience' which is
years out of date.

Or you could just visit a decent battery shop and see what they use these
days.

--
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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 1:54 am
From: "Dave Plowman (News)"

In article <euednQmDP4tw6Z_QnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > You really need to see what UK groups say about the US. ;-)

> You should read that thread and see what other Brits are saying bad
> about themselves. They are the ones complaining about what has happened
> to the electronics industry in England.

And you think there are no US citizens who say bad things about your
country? But perhaps you'd wish them silenced. You certainly give the
impression of not wanting to allow others to have their own opinion.

--
*Young at heart -- slightly older in other places

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 4:04 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
>
> In article <tJOdnVZd_LO5ZJ_QnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <euednQmDP4tw6Z_QnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> > > Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > > Tell me, what have you designed? Have you ever worked in a
> > > > metrology lab repairing and calibrating test equipment? Have you
> > > > built space qualified electronics and seen them used from space?
> > >
> > > If you're claiming to have done all this, how can you get it wrong
> > > about something so simple as a modern battery tester?
> > >
> > > Perhaps you're just living in the past.
>
> > Perhaps you live on a fantasy world.
>
> Tell you what, Michael, buy one of these ACT units and give it a proper
> work out.

The one that was mentioned by model number was quoted at 399 British
pounds. I have better things to spend money on that overpriced toys.

> I have one and say it does what it claims to do.
>
> You don't, and appear to be basing your views on 'experience' which is
> years out of date.
>
> Or you could just visit a decent battery shop and see what they use these
> days.

Modern? Or set up for complete idiot employees?

--
For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off
scientist!!!

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 4:06 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
>
> In article <euednQmDP4tw6Z_QnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > You really need to see what UK groups say about the US. ;-)
>
> > You should read that thread and see what other Brits are saying bad
> > about themselves. They are the ones complaining about what has happened
> > to the electronics industry in England.
>
> And you think there are no US citizens who say bad things about your
> country? But perhaps you'd wish them silenced. You certainly give the
> impression of not wanting to allow others to have their own opinion.

Yawn. You don't know me at all. It doesn't matter, though. I'm
sure you wouldn't beleive what anyone told you about me.

--
For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off
scientist!!!

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 5:55 am
From: "Dave Plowman (News)"

In article <rvGdnWqvX4R79Z7QnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Tell you what, Michael, buy one of these ACT units and give it a proper
> > work out.

> The one that was mentioned by model number was quoted at 399 British
> pounds. I have better things to spend money on that overpriced toys.

Mine was used for pro purposes and in no way a toy. And was worth its
cost for convenience alone - your dinosaur type wouldn't fit in a pocket.

However, the one I have cost nothing like that much. I've had it for
several years. This appears to be the latest model - and seems to be well
regarded in your country.

<http://www.actmeters.com/Copy of
GOLD-IBT-Intelligent-Battery-Tester-1.php>

--
*Men are from Earth, women are from Earth. Deal with it.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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TOPIC: downloads new one
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 3:56 am
From: nizam s

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TOPIC: Power surges and modern electronics.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 4:02 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

>>> How many VCR's blink 12:00? Do you have to be a
>>> rocket scientist to set the clock on a VCR???

>> In some cases, yes. Some had setting procedures that
>> went beyond unbelievable.

> I don't think that applies to anything manufactured
> in the last 20 years... :<

Perhaps. But I've seen them.

Some years ago VCRs were redesigned to, at turn-on, scan the broadcast band
for a station with an embedded time code, and set the clock. These were
usually NPR stations.

> Finally, too many timepieces in a home ends up relegating most
> of them to "un-maintained" -- how many of us have *a* clock
> that we consider The Authority in our homes (i.e., we expect
> some amount of error in all the others -- intentional or
> otherwise).

I do. I have two atomic clocks.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 8:10 am
From: D Yuniskis

Hi William,

William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>>> How many VCR's blink 12:00? Do you have to be a
>>>> rocket scientist to set the clock on a VCR???
>
>>> In some cases, yes. Some had setting procedures that
>>> went beyond unbelievable.
>
>> I don't think that applies to anything manufactured
>> in the last 20 years... :<
>
> Perhaps. But I've seen them.
>
> Some years ago VCRs were redesigned to, at turn-on, scan the broadcast band
> for a station with an embedded time code, and set the clock. These were
> usually NPR stations.

Dunno. I haven't used a VCR in more than 20 years :-/
(The one that still is in use here is only used for playing
prerecorded tapes)

>> Finally, too many timepieces in a home ends up relegating most
>> of them to "un-maintained" -- how many of us have *a* clock
>> that we consider The Authority in our homes (i.e., we expect
>> some amount of error in all the others -- intentional or
>> otherwise).
>
> I do. I have two atomic clocks.

I had one here -- but it always kept losing signal. So, you
get a false sense of security *thinking* it is telling the correct
time -- only to discover it wasn't. I guess they are sensitive to
where they are located/oriented. Given how "unattractive" this one
was (think: functional not decorative), the choices for where it
could acceptably be sited were limited. So, it got relocated -- to
the trash. :<

(It *was* fun, though, to watch it go into "set" mode... minute hand
sweeping across the face of the clock as if it was a *second* hand...)

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 8:23 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> I had one here -- but it always kept losing signal. So, you
> get a false sense of security *thinking* it is telling the correct
> time -- only to discover it wasn't. I guess they are sensitive to
> where they are located/oriented. Given how "unattractive" this
> one was (think: functional not decorative), the choices for where
> it could acceptably be sited were limited. So, it got relocated --
> to the trash. :<

Such clocks are best kept away from computers and other sources of EMI/RFI.
Once you find a clean spot, you should be okay.

Those with LCDs usually have an indicator that shows whether the clock has
been recently resynched.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 5:33 am
From: SRAVANTHI LOVE

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TOPIC: leaving conductors exposed
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 6:12 am
From: s

i got a desk lamp from ebay like the one in the image link below. the
bulb is held up by two adjustable telescopic rods, exactly the same
type as you would find on the aerial of a FM radio. they are metal.

i saw the double insulated symbol on the bottom, which go me thinking.
how did they get the wiring through these rods double insulated, they
are pretty thin. then i examined the rods. they had joints in them.
they werent even hollow! there was no wiring. they were the
conductors.

a quick check with the meter gave 20V AC. thats how it was designed
to light the bulb .

my question is can you have the double insulated symbol on a product
with exposed 20V AC conductors?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/31506127@N03/3033028166

if interested this is a description of a similar product , which shows
the conductors are exposed by design:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5265000.html

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 6:25 am
From: "Dave Plowman (News)"

In article
<2a2eb7c7-a29d-4939-a1cc-982ff46cee9a@g26g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
s <ymailus@yahoo.com> wrote:
> i got a desk lamp from ebay like the one in the image link below. the
> bulb is held up by two adjustable telescopic rods, exactly the same
> type as you would find on the aerial of a FM radio. they are metal.

> i saw the double insulated symbol on the bottom, which go me thinking.
> how did they get the wiring through these rods double insulated, they
> are pretty thin. then i examined the rods. they had joints in them.
> they werent even hollow! there was no wiring. they were the
> conductors.

> a quick check with the meter gave 20V AC. thats how it was designed
> to light the bulb .

> my question is can you have the double insulated symbol on a product
> with exposed 20V AC conductors?

I'd guess because 20 volt AC is considered safe. A 20 volt AC power supply
could also have output terminals etc which wouldn't conform to mains etc
voltages. The 'double insulation' is to help prevent mains appearing on
parts you can touch easily.

BTW, it's more likely to be approx 12v under load.

--
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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 6:42 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> Can you have the double-insulated symbol on
> a product with exposed 20V AC conductors?

Because humans aren't likely to be electrocuted by 20V, AC or DC.

But this does raise a question... What about insulation between the primary
and secondary windings? Its failure could put line voltage on the secondary.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 6:56 am
From: "Dave Plowman (News)"

In article <ie02jm$8h2$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Can you have the double-insulated symbol on
> > a product with exposed 20V AC conductors?

> Because humans aren't likely to be electrocuted by 20V, AC or DC.

> But this does raise a question... What about insulation between the
> primary and secondary windings? Its failure could put line voltage on
> the secondary.

Depends on transformer design - assuming it does use one.

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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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TOPIC: Samsung and AT&T U-Verse HDMI error?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 6:34 am
From: Keith

Rick:
I usually get both but sometimes I also get the error message as well. I guess I will have to try different
HDMI cables to see it that is it. Any HDMI cables you would recommend? Thank you.

Keith Lee

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 7:29 am
From: cjdaytonjrnospam@cox.net

Keith <keithdlee2000@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rick:
> I usually get both but sometimes I also get the error message as well.
> I guess I will have to try different HDMI cables to see it that is it.
> Any HDMI cables you would recommend? Thank you.
>
> Keith Lee

I doubt it's the cable. Have you done a search with your
television model number and the box that it is connected to?

Chip

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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 7:50 am
From: "David"

wrote in message news:20101211100101.510$Rw@newsreader.com...

Keith <keithdlee2000@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rick:
> I usually get both but sometimes I also get the error message
> as well.
> I guess I will have to try different HDMI cables to see it that
> is it.
> Any HDMI cables you would recommend? Thank you.
>
> Keith Lee

When this happened to me once, I just reset the Uverse receiver
and all was well. Unplug it for 10 seconds, or press and hold the
power button for 5 seconds or so.

David

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Dec 10 2010 1:53 pm
From: mzenier@eskimo.com (Mark Zenier)

In article <pan.2010.11.28.17.03.57@lmao.lol.lol>,
Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 16:39:09 +0000, N_Cook wrote:
>
>> Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2010.11.28.15.11.59@lmao.lol.lol...
>>> On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:11:54 +0000, N_Cook wrote:
>>>
>>> > In for a power supply fault but while in there, the floppy drive has
>>> > never worked. Would it be a standard PC drive? or known simple
>>> > repairable stock fault? It does klunk once, on pwering up , sort of
>>> > PC fashion
>>>
>>>
>>> I have an old S-20 that the floppy failed. Not a standard floppy. The
>>> belt had turned to goo. After replacing , the diskette would not read.
>>> Some tweaking of the head resulted in the disk to be read. Not sure
>>> this applies to 60 but may be worth considering.

As I remember, early Roland units used the 3 inch Hitachi 360k
byte minidisc. Electromechanically, they looked like the 5 1/4 inch
DD drives. (Half the bit rate, and 300 RPM). Other major users of
them were the Amstrad computers in the UK. And, I think, fancy sewing
machines of the time.

Mark Zenier mzenier@eskimo.com
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TOPIC: Bank winding of HV SMPS transformer?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 7:06 am
From: "N_Cook"

610 turns of 40AWG / 45 SWG wiring in 4 "layers" anyone experience of such
winding and thoughts on resulatant (lack of) structural integrity,
slip/sliding turns with temp cycling/magnostriction etc leading to failure.
I've never seen a transformer design brief, so perhaps interesting to others
on that aspect alone
Tektronix 7834 scop HV transformer,(flyback misnomer)
http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/Tektronix/Tektronix_-_7834/Tek7834_Flyback_Tran
sformer_Winding%20_Spec.pdf

some general info including bank winding, I've only ever seen on high DC
chokes so structurally sound
http://focus.ti.com/lit/ml/slup125/slup125.pdf

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 7:58 am
From: nesesu

On Dec 11, 7:06 am, "N_Cook" <dive...@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
> 610 turns of 40AWG / 45 SWG wiring in 4 "layers" anyone experience of such
> winding and thoughts on resulatant (lack of) structural integrity,
> slip/sliding turns with temp cycling/magnostriction etc leading to failure.
> I've never seen a transformer design brief, so perhaps interesting to others
> on that aspect alone
> Tektronix 7834 scop HV transformer,(flyback misnomer)http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/Tektronix/Tektronix_-_7834/Tek7834_Flyba...
> sformer_Winding%20_Spec.pdf
>
> some general info including bank winding, I've only ever seen on high DC
> chokes so structurally soundhttp://focus.ti.com/lit/ml/slup125/slup125.pdf

Not sure what you are getting at. According to the winding winding
diagram and notes, the 610 turn winding is machine wound in a 'bank'
winder so it should be tight and even. I would expect that the #40AWG
wire is 'served' with polyester yarn which gives it a high surface
friction so the turns tend to lock together. Finially, I imagine the
finished coil assembly is vacuum 'varnished' to seal out moisture and
fill all air gaps as well as lock the whole assembly into a solid
mass.
I am surprised to see bank winding is back in fashion; we used to bank
wind torroids 50 years ago to give minimal parallel capacitance to the
inductance, but that seemed to fade out when ferrite pot cores
replaced powdered iron torroid cores through the '60s. For very low
capacitance coils we would then use 'Pi' or 'universal' wound coils,
but they too must be flooded with a sealing compound to lock their
rather frail structure that relies wholly on wire tension for
stability in the 'as wound' state.

Neil S.

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