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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 1:30 pm
From: RoadRunner

http://www.craigboyce.com/w/2011/01/insulting-car-commercial/

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 2:08 pm
From: dplatt@radagast.org (Dave Platt)

In article <pan.2011.01.12.20.21.35@lmao.lol.lol>,
Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Heh. I have the VX-5 software from RT and the data cable. So a reset then
>reload might not be a bad idea. I've also had grounding problems with
>this radio. Makes the audio howl when you turn it up past 50% on 70
>centimeters. Main component board depends on lands around screw holes and
>the aluminum chassis is part of the ground. An occasional loose/tight of
>the chassis screws seems to cure it for a year or so.

Haven't had that particular problem on my own VX-5. On the other
hand, the SMA antenna connector had a nasty tendency to loosen itself.
I found a Web article suggesting the use of a standard hex-bit-shaft
screwdriver, filed or ground down to create a couple of flanges which
engage the slots in the SMA retaining nut... a handy home-made tool
for re-tightening things. This, plus a small drop of Loctite on the
threads, fixed the problem.

I've been fighting off the temptation to just remove the SMA, drill
out the hole, and replacing it with a BNC.

>Other than this, the radio has worked well, the batter has held up
>remarkably and the audio is robust. I also have a dual band FT-60. Rock
>solid radio, very loud audio with little distortion. Bought it back in
>2006 from AES. They had a special on the radio and drop charger that I
>couldn't resist. I bought a Diamond SRH320A antenna for it. I've worked
>repeaters 50 miles away outdoors on 2 meters with that HT.

It's amazing how far one can work with little power, with a clear
line-of-sight. I recently had a nice QSO on the repeater I help
maintain, with a ham sitting in a hotel room up in San Francisco
(about 45 miles from the repeater) talking on his HT. He was using a
roll-up twinlead J-pole. Sounded as if he was right next to the
repeater.

--
Dave Platt <dplatt@radagast.org> AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 3:03 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:08:48 -0800, Dave Platt wrote:

> In article <pan.2011.01.12.20.21.35@lmao.lol.lol>, Meat Plow
> <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Heh. I have the VX-5 software from RT and the data cable. So a reset
>>then reload might not be a bad idea. I've also had grounding problems
>>with this radio. Makes the audio howl when you turn it up past 50% on 70
>>centimeters. Main component board depends on lands around screw holes
>>and the aluminum chassis is part of the ground. An occasional
>>loose/tight of the chassis screws seems to cure it for a year or so.
>
> Haven't had that particular problem on my own VX-5. On the other hand,
> the SMA antenna connector had a nasty tendency to loosen itself. I found
> a Web article suggesting the use of a standard hex-bit-shaft
> screwdriver, filed or ground down to create a couple of flanges which
> engage the slots in the SMA retaining nut... a handy home-made tool for
> re-tightening things. This, plus a small drop of Loctite on the
> threads, fixed the problem.
>
> I've been fighting off the temptation to just remove the SMA, drill out
> the hole, and replacing it with a BNC.

That might be difficult considering the SMA on the VX-5 is recessed. Also
I don't know if there's room inside bor the butt end of a BNC.
I've had to tighten up the SMA on mine maybe twice. But I also use an OEM
antenna and I'm not sure if that contributes because the OEMS don't seat
all the way down in. I ended up putting a small grommet around the bottom
of the SMA on the radio so the antenna tightens down on the chassis
rather than just the threads. Seems to have cured the problem. On the
FT-60 the nut his a hex nut not recessed but rather the stock antenna
screws down over the nut. I believe the contact between antenna base and
chassis helps to keep the nut tight. The OEM Diamond does not screw over
the nut but rather directly down on top of it. Good enough for me since
the nut is essentially part of the chassis. This one has never budged.

>>Other than this, the radio has worked well, the batter has held up
>>remarkably and the audio is robust. I also have a dual band FT-60. Rock
>>solid radio, very loud audio with little distortion. Bought it back in
>>2006 from AES. They had a special on the radio and drop charger that I
>>couldn't resist. I bought a Diamond SRH320A antenna for it. I've worked
>>repeaters 50 miles away outdoors on 2 meters with that HT.
>
> It's amazing how far one can work with little power, with a clear
> line-of-sight. I recently had a nice QSO on the repeater I help
> maintain, with a ham sitting in a hotel room up in San Francisco (about
> 45 miles from the repeater) talking on his HT. He was using a roll-up
> twinlead J-pole. Sounded as if he was right next to the repeater.

On simplex channels I always reduce the power to the minimum on my Icom
706 MKII/G. No need when you're 5 watts on an HT. My 'home' repeater is
about 12 miles north. Antennas are on top 90' of tower and the radio is a
converted GE Master II UHF 100 watt. It's been in operation since 1995.
It's a privately owned open repeater. Well open until we start hearing
some VE stations which is a big surprise, UHF ducting. Or VHF repeater is
on tone but had VE repeater interference when conditions were right.

I'm hoping for some decent solar activity soon. Back a decade ago I have
some good friends in the UK I talked to every morning on 28.337. Kind of
miss talking to them but keep in touch via the net and Skype.

I used to do a lot of digital also. And tried like heck to decode
commercial TDMA/FSK BAUDOT etc.. It could be done 10 -15 years ago but
most is encrypted now or in odd mark/space 7 bit Blah blah blah. Amateur
Pactor and 1200 baud packet is still pretty popular here.

--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 3:30 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:11:41 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:21:54 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>I've also had grounding problems with this radio. Makes the audio howl
>>when you turn it up past 50% on 70 centimeters.
>
> That's not grounding. It's microphonics. The 440 PLL is getting
> mechanically modulated by the audio from the loudspeaker. Get the phase
> right and you have a howling oscillation. I use bees wax, hot melt
> glue, or if desperate, RTV, to reduce the mechanical sensitivity of the
> VCO. You might also try a rubber foam pad between the PCB and the front
> panel to acoustically decouple the PCB.

Those that suggested the fix called it grounding. That's all I know.

>>Other than this, the radio has worked well, the batter has held up
>>remarkably and the audio is robust. I also have a dual band FT-60. Rock
>>solid radio, very loud audio with little distortion. Bought it back in
>>2006 from AES. They had a special on the radio and drop charger that I
>>couldn't resist.
>
> The local animal rescue volunteer group all got licenses and
> standardized on the FT-60. It's a better radio than the VX-5 but is too
> much for many of the users to operate. It also has the irritating WIRES
> function which must be disarmed before it can be used. They would have
> been better off with channelized commercial radios but the ham stuff was
> cheaper.

Yeah the WIRES/ inet radio is crap. And the beacon function for other
hams radios to alert when your in range. Forget what that's called maybe
ARS? It's got a lot of good functions besides that. I'd like to see a
battery voltage display option that keeps it on the screen past power on
like the VX-5 has.

>>I bought a Diamond SRH320A antenna for it. I've worked repeaters 50
>>miles away outdoors on 2 meters with that HT.
>
> About 2 years ago, I gave a demo on HT antennas. It didn't take much to
> demonstrate that bigger is better, no matter how weird looking. I
> placed a field strength meter at a fixed distance from the radio, and
> tried various antennas. The best on 440 MHz was an AMOS/Franklin
> monstrosity that I conjured for the occasion. It was about 1.5 meters
> overall, with the HT in the middle, which had to be held horizontally.
> On 2m, it was a flex PCB antenna I had etched into a sheet of mylar,
> representing something like a 3 element Yagi. The usual base and center
> loaded dual band rubber ducky antennas were horrible by comparison, but
> were greatly improved by the addition of a counterpoise.
> <http://www.k6gph.org/index.php?
option=com_content&view=article&catid=1&id=10&Itemid=7>
> Incidentally, I brought an inflatable UHF loop yagi antenna that used a
> 1 meter long rubber sausage shaped balloon for mechanical support and
> insulation. I didn't have time to try it as I ran out of time. (Hint:
> I use the stock rubber ducky as everything else is too big and clumsy).

Unless your repeater is a few miles in radius from you a small duck is
good enough. My closest repeater is 12 miles. I have a Cushcraft AR270
about 15 feet above the roof with Belden 8319 coax @ about 560 foot.
Does a great job. Also have at about the same height a Cush Ringo AR6.
I sometimes serve as our district's backbone liaison for Skywarn and talk
to the NWS on 6. Make me feel like a big shot.

--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 3:26 pm
From: dplatt@radagast.org (Dave Platt)

In article <pan.2011.01.12.23.02.44@lmao.lol.lol>,
Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> I've been fighting off the temptation to just remove the SMA, drill out
>> the hole, and replacing it with a BNC.
>
>That might be difficult considering the SMA on the VX-5 is recessed. Also
>I don't know if there's room inside bor the butt end of a BNC.

What I was thinking, was mounting the BNC on the top of the case...
there appears to be enough metal surrounding the recessed-SMA mounting
hold to support it. Stick the "butt end" of the BNC down through the
SMA mounting hole and into the case. I'd probably need to fix it into
place with epoxy rather than using a nut, though.

It'd certainly be an invasive mod, and probably quite unnecessary. I
wouldn't do it unless I didn'd mind trashing the radio - or at least
the case. If I even run into a "beater" VX-5, with an intact case but
a fried radio, I might buy it and just try modding the case.

>I've had to tighten up the SMA on mine maybe twice. But I also use an OEM
>antenna and I'm not sure if that contributes because the OEMS don't seat
>all the way down in. I ended up putting a small grommet around the bottom
>of the SMA on the radio so the antenna tightens down on the chassis
>rather than just the threads. Seems to have cured the problem.

I generally use an SMA-to-BNC adapter, with a grommit-like arrangement
made out of a couple of thicknesses of rubber tubing, and then use an
aftermarket BNC antenna.

--
Dave Platt <dplatt@radagast.org> AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 5:10 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:26:19 -0800, Dave Platt wrote:

> In article <pan.2011.01.12.23.02.44@lmao.lol.lol>, Meat Plow
> <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> I've been fighting off the temptation to just remove the SMA, drill
>>> out the hole, and replacing it with a BNC.
>>
>>That might be difficult considering the SMA on the VX-5 is recessed.
>>Also I don't know if there's room inside bor the butt end of a BNC.
>
> What I was thinking, was mounting the BNC on the top of the case...
> there appears to be enough metal surrounding the recessed-SMA mounting
> hold to support it. Stick the "butt end" of the BNC down through the
> SMA mounting hole and into the case. I'd probably need to fix it into
> place with epoxy rather than using a nut, though.

I'd rather just place a new SMA and nut with thread grip then use the
factory duck. I didn't have problems until replacing the factory duck
with a poorly fit OEM.

> It'd certainly be an invasive mod, and probably quite unnecessary. I
> wouldn't do it unless I didn'd mind trashing the radio - or at least the
> case. If I even run into a "beater" VX-5, with an intact case but a
> fried radio, I might buy it and just try modding the case.
>
>>I've had to tighten up the SMA on mine maybe twice. But I also use an
>>OEM antenna and I'm not sure if that contributes because the OEMS don't
>>seat all the way down in. I ended up putting a small grommet around the
>>bottom of the SMA on the radio so the antenna tightens down on the
>>chassis rather than just the threads. Seems to have cured the problem.
>
> I generally use an SMA-to-BNC adapter, with a grommit-like arrangement
> made out of a couple of thicknesses of rubber tubing, and then use an
> aftermarket BNC antenna.

I guess it just depends how careful you are. I've placed the dual band
FT-60 on the VX-5 now since 6 meter is out of range for an HT here and
it's been stable for years. The stock duck with the screw on tip isn't
pocket or belt material for sure. Bu the FT-60 duck seems to cooperate
nicely for what my needs are.

--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 3:41 pm
From: "Dave Plowman (News)"

In article <F4SdndnpXbUSZrDQnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Seems to me you were a 'back room boy' with no experience of
> > production. Gawd help us if you were responsible for providing the
> > facilities others had to work round.

> I produced & directed a live newscast for a year in '73 & 74 at Ft.
> Greely, AK.

Ah. News. Hence all the references to U-Matic and VHS as if they were
broadcast systems.

--
*Failure is not an option. It's bundled with your software.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 3:39 pm
From: "Dave Plowman (News)"

In article <4didnYAd_J1JarDQnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Have you ever worked in TV production? There are very good reasons why
> > you wouldn't watch RGB in the studio if it is to be encoded later.

> Really. Name ONE that you didn't pull out of your ass.

Sigh. Now I'm really sure you've never worked *in* TV.

--
*If at first you do succeed, try not to look too astonished.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 3:37 pm
From: "Dave Plowman (News)"

In article <4didnYEd_J00arDQnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > It would be a very stupid studio that did so if it were intended for
> > analogue transmission.

> It would be very stupid to make a statement like that when you know
> nothing of how the video was processed. Some video processing systems
> could use either composite or RGB+Sync, but decoding the video first
> added more timing errors that had to be corrected elsewhere in the
> system.

Which video processing systems? I take it you mean something not used in
the studio?

But pray tell of a composite video studio which had RGB available from
anything other than a single camera, etc.

--
*If they arrest the Energizer Bunny, would they charge it with battery? *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 3:44 pm
From: "Dave Plowman (News)"

In article <gf-dnRzoB7l3YbDQnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > > U-matic? Only ever used for news stuff here. And office viewing
> > > > before VHS.
> > > >
> > > > 1" C Format ruled until the arrival of Beta SP and MII.
> >
> > > So, you used 2" until the other formats were availible?
> >
> > Which part of 1" C format don't you understand?

> What don't you understand? 2" predated all of the other formats.

Perhaps it's a language thing. Look it up if you don't understand 'ruled'.

--
*Ever stop to think and forget to start again?

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 3:55 pm
From: Phil Hobbs

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article<gf-dnRzoB7l3YbDQnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> Michael A. Terrell<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> U-matic? Only ever used for news stuff here. And office viewing
>>>>> before VHS.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1" C Format ruled until the arrival of Beta SP and MII.
>>>
>>>> So, you used 2" until the other formats were availible?
>>>
>>> Which part of 1" C format don't you understand?
>
>
>> What don't you understand? 2" predated all of the other formats.
>
> Perhaps it's a language thing. Look it up if you don't understand 'ruled'.
>

"Television is a vast wasteland."

-- Newton N. Minow (then Chairman of the FCC)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058

email: hobbs (atsign) electrooptical (period) net
http://electrooptical.net

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 4:28 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
>
> In article <4didnYEd_J00arDQnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > It would be a very stupid studio that did so if it were intended for
> > > analogue transmission.
>
> > It would be very stupid to make a statement like that when you know
> > nothing of how the video was processed. Some video processing systems
> > could use either composite or RGB+Sync, but decoding the video first
> > added more timing errors that had to be corrected elsewhere in the
> > system.
>
> Which video processing systems? I take it you mean something not used in
> the studio?
>
> But pray tell of a composite video studio which had RGB available from
> anything other than a single camera, etc.

You just keep showing more and more ignrance. All the studio cameras
had RGB outputs. The Vital Industries video switcher and the Squeeze
Zoom had RGB inputs and outputs. The studios had cameras & monitors
only. Master control did every thing else. Just admit that you are
absolutely clueless about what was done, and how in a NTSC brodcast
plant.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 4:30 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
>
> In article <F4SdndnpXbUSZrDQnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > Seems to me you were a 'back room boy' with no experience of
> > > production. Gawd help us if you were responsible for providing the
> > > facilities others had to work round.
>
> > I produced & directed a live newscast for a year in '73 & 74 at Ft.
> > Greely, AK.
>
> Ah. News. Hence all the references to U-Matic and VHS as if they were
> broadcast systems.

BZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There was no video tape equipment
at that station. If you would pay attention, or even better, if you had
red that message of mine on the DOD Afrts website you might have a
clue. Why would I be loading 16 mm & 35 mm, but not mention video tape?

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 4:31 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Phil Hobbs wrote:
>
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > In article<gf-dnRzoB7l3YbDQnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> > Michael A. Terrell<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>>> U-matic? Only ever used for news stuff here. And office viewing
> >>>>> before VHS.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1" C Format ruled until the arrival of Beta SP and MII.
> >>>
> >>>> So, you used 2" until the other formats were availible?
> >>>
> >>> Which part of 1" C format don't you understand?
> >
> >
> >> What don't you understand? 2" predated all of the other formats.
> >
> > Perhaps it's a language thing. Look it up if you don't understand 'ruled'.
> >
>
> "Television is a vast wasteland."

"And Usenet isn't far behind."

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 4:32 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
>
> In article <4didnYAd_J1JarDQnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > Have you ever worked in TV production? There are very good reasons why
> > > you wouldn't watch RGB in the studio if it is to be encoded later.
>
> > Really. Name ONE that you didn't pull out of your ass.
>
> Sigh. Now I'm really sure you've never worked *in* TV.

I wonder if you've ever worked anywhere.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 5:13 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:31:34 -0500, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

> Phil Hobbs wrote:
>>
>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> > In article<gf-dnRzoB7l3YbDQnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>> > Michael A. Terrell<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >>>>> U-matic? Only ever used for news stuff here. And office viewing
>> >>>>> before VHS.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 1" C Format ruled until the arrival of Beta SP and MII.
>> >>>
>> >>>> So, you used 2" until the other formats were availible?
>> >>>
>> >>> Which part of 1" C format don't you understand?
>> >
>> >
>> >> What don't you understand? 2" predated all of the other formats.
>> >
>> > Perhaps it's a language thing. Look it up if you don't understand
>> > 'ruled'.
>> >
>> >
>> "Television is a vast wasteland."
>
>
> "And Usenet isn't far behind."

Internet television is the new frontier Mike. My new Samsung
is internet connected and I suspect that is the new trend. And not just a
trend but a developing standard.

--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 9:06 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Meat Plow wrote:
>
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:31:34 -0500, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> > Phil Hobbs wrote:
> >>
> >> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> >> > In article<gf-dnRzoB7l3YbDQnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> >> > Michael A. Terrell<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>> U-matic? Only ever used for news stuff here. And office viewing
> >> >>>>> before VHS.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> 1" C Format ruled until the arrival of Beta SP and MII.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> So, you used 2" until the other formats were availible?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Which part of 1" C format don't you understand?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> What don't you understand? 2" predated all of the other formats.
> >> >
> >> > Perhaps it's a language thing. Look it up if you don't understand
> >> > 'ruled'.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> "Television is a vast wasteland."
> >
> >
> > "And Usenet isn't far behind."
>
> Internet television is the new frontier Mike. My new Samsung
> is internet connected and I suspect that is the new trend. And not just a
> trend but a developing standard.

Hulu.com, and a TV tuner card in one computer already. I've watched
a few episodes of Stargate Universe and Stargate Atlantis on Hulu, along
with a few old movies. I am modifying a ceiling mount swing arm to bolt
it to my hospital bed. that way I can do web design or access usenet
when I am forced to lay down to relieve the swelling in my legs. I
bought a 7" HDTV recently to add to the monitor & keyboard arm. I
bought this Dell Optiplex 620 small footprint to use with a 24" LCD
monitor. The whole system will swing away from the bed when I'm not
using it. I got the industrial mount for free. The cheapest one made
for a hospital bed that would do was almost $2,000. I can do a lot of
cutting & welding for that price, including a telephone mount, and
controls to open the gates or look at the security cameras to see who is
at the door when I can't get up in time to anwser in person. :)

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=DLB105-PB&cat=MON would be nice
with four of the extra 19" LCD monitors, but it would be too big to move
away from the bed while laying down. ;-)

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

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Date: Wed, Jan 12 2011 10:27 pm
From: Sujatha Srinivasan

http://123maza.com/75/arts219/

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