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TOPIC: Ethical question.
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 2:55 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:17:46 -0800, JeffM wrote:

> Meat Plow wrote:
>>I'll assume you found some child porn.
>>
> ...while snooping somewhere where you weren't authorized.
>
>>If it were me I would hand it over to the cops.
>>
> Now you have a reputation
> not only as someone who does unauthorized snooping but as a nark.
>
> Word gets out that you are a jerk
> and people immediately stop bringing you their work. Another jackass out
> of the business. Good.

A NARC is urban slang for someone who squeals on narcotics dealers.

I will report child porn all day long. But it's nice to see that you
support child porn by not reporting it.

--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 2:59 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:53:47 -0600, Jeffrey Angus wrote:

> On 1/6/2011 3:23 PM, Meat Plow wrote:
>> Owner says he has no knowledge of the contraband and that he had it
>> repaired not long ago and the contra- band must have been placed their
>> by the repair person.
>
> Glad to see you paid attention to the original posting.

I tend to lose my ability to focus when posts are long and ambiguous.
Next time just get to the fucking point. And my arguments are still valid
but also involve morality and honesty. Obvious you know nothing about
either since you were snooping.

--
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== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 7:10 am
From: Michael Gross

Jeffrey Angus wrote:
>
> So, what to do?
>
> Jeff

Give it to the first nigger you see and say, "Here, trade this for da
rock homey."

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 3:11 pm
From: "Gareth Magennis"

> Unfortunately, with the current state of affairs these
> days, it makes it almost mandatory for you to check any
> media for illegal material and report it.
>

Who the fuck gave you these powers?

Bottom line, you are a Snooper. You are invading peoples' privacy, and thus
behaving totally unethically.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 4:21 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

JeffM wrote:
>
> Meat Plow wrote:
> ?I'll assume you found some child porn.
> ?
> ...while snooping somewhere where you weren't authorized.
>
> ?If it were me I would hand it over to the cops.
> ?
> Now you have a reputation
> not only as someone who does unauthorized snooping
> but as a nark.
>
> Word gets out that you are a jerk
> and people immediately stop bringing you their work.
> Another jackass out of the business. Good.

With that attitude, people will think you distribute child porn.

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== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 6:02 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"D Yuniskis" <not.going.to.be@seen.com> wrote in message
news:ig5cmd$8gf$2@speranza.aioe.org...
> On 1/6/2011 2:28 PM, jeff_wisnia wrote:
>> D Yuniskis wrote:
>>> There was a girl named Pandora who made a similar
>>> mistake (except it was a *jar*, in her case)...
>>
>> I remembered that it was her *box*. <G>
>
> Actually, that is a mistranslation. It was, in fact, *jar*

But it's only funny if the word is "box" ... :-)

Arfa

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 6:10 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2011.01.06.22.55.38@lmao.lol.lol...
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:17:46 -0800, JeffM wrote:
>
>> Meat Plow wrote:
>>>I'll assume you found some child porn.
>>>
>> ...while snooping somewhere where you weren't authorized.
>>
>>>If it were me I would hand it over to the cops.
>>>
>> Now you have a reputation
>> not only as someone who does unauthorized snooping but as a nark.
>>
>> Word gets out that you are a jerk
>> and people immediately stop bringing you their work. Another jackass out
>> of the business. Good.
>
> A NARC is urban slang for someone who squeals on narcotics dealers.

In the UK, it's definitely spelt with a "k" and usually goes in the phrase
'copper's nark' as in a police informant. The wisdom on the interweb seems
to suggest that it is derived from a Romany word meaning "nose" , so I
suppose further deriving "nosey" (person) from that ...

Arfa

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 7:52 pm
From: JeffM

>JeffM wrote:
>>Now you have a reputation
>>not only as someone who does unauthorized snooping
>>but as a nark.
>>
>>Word gets out that you are a jerk
>>and people immediately stop bringing you their work.
>>Another jackass out of the business. Good.
>>
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>With that attitude, people will think you distribute child porn.
>
"If one would give me six lines
written by the hand of the most honest man,
I would find something in them to have him hanged."
--Cardinal Richelieu

You advocate making it easier on the persecutors
who go after individuals who haven't harmed anyone.[1]
Want to put a REAL dent in child porn?
Stop wasting resources on people who aren't hurting anyone.
Go after THE PRODUCERS .

...and It could easily be argued
that guys who are whacking off at their computers
are NOT a threat to any *actual* kids.
Charge a guy with possessing CP then put me on the jury
and he gets an acquittal.
I don't see anyone whom *he* victimized.
.
.
[1] The only thing more stupid
is the trend to consider possession of *drawings*
to be prosecutable.

All of you priggish blue noses can go to Hell.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 3:10 pm
From: "Phil Allison"

"Bill Palmer is a FUCKWIT WANKER"

>
>>** You one of the fuckwit troll's sockpuppets ?
>
> Unable to parse headers, eh?

** So you ARE one of the fuckwit troll's sockpuppets.

Wot a pathetic pommy cunt.

.... Phil

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 4:51 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Arfa Daily wrote:
>
> Oh dear oh dear, Philip. You DO get yourself in a state, don't you, you sad,
> fat greasy antipodean twat? Now do as you've been told, take your meds like
> a good little boy, then go and pester a porn group where you know that you
> always feel more at home among others of your kind ... ;-)

Someone created a 'sheep porn' site, for Phil?

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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 6:24 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> Arfa Daily wrote:
>>
>> Oh dear oh dear, Philip. You DO get yourself in a state, don't you, you
>> sad,
>> fat greasy antipodean twat? Now do as you've been told, take your meds
>> like
>> a good little boy, then go and pester a porn group where you know that
>> you
>> always feel more at home among others of your kind ... ;-)
>
>
> Someone created a 'sheep porn' site, for Phil?
>
>
> --
> What are you looking for, all the way down here?

alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.sheep ... :-)

Arfa

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TOPIC: Pub with No Beer lives here
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 3:12 pm
From: "Phil Allison"

"Jeffrey Angus"
William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>
>>> all apologies to Slim Dusty
>>
>> Who's Slim Dusty? Any relation to Norm Peterson?
>>
>>
>
> Geeze William. Sometimes you frighten me.
>
> David Gordon "Slim Dusty" Kirkpatrick AO, MBE (13 June
> 1927�19 September 2003) was an Australian country music
> singer-songwriter. He was the first Australian to have
> a No. 1 Hit song (Pub With No Beer). He received an
> unequaled 37 Golden Guitar and two ARIA awards and was
> inducted into the ARIA Hall of Fame and the Country Music
> Roll of Renown. At the time of his death at the age of
> 76, Dusty had been working on his 106th album for EMI
> Records. In 2007 his domestic record sales in Australia
> surpassed seven million.
>
>
>
> Oh it's-a lonesome away from your kindred and all
> By the campfire at night we'll hear the wild dingoes call
> But there's-a nothing so lonesome, morbid or drear
> Than to stand in the bar of a pub with no beer
>
> Now the publican's anxious for the quota to come
> And there's a far away look on the face of the bum
> The maid's gone all cranky and the cook's acting queer
> Oh what a terrible place is a pub with no beer
>
> Then the stockman rides up with his dry dusty throat
> He breasts up to the bar and pulls a wad from his coat
> But the smile on his face quickly turns to a sneer
> As the barman says sadly the pub's got no beer
>
> Then the swaggie comes in smothered in dust and flies
> He throws down his roll and rubs the sweat from his eyes
> But when he is told, he says what's this I hear
> I've trudged fifty flamin' miles to a pub with no beer
>
> Now there's a dog on the v'randa, for his master he waits
> But the boss is inside drinking wine with his mates
> He hurries for cover and he cringes in fear
> It's no place for a dog 'round a pub with no beer
>
> And old Billy the blacksmith, the first time in his life
> Why he's gone home cold sober to his darling wife
> He walks in the kitchen, she says you're early Bill dear
> But then he breaks down and tells her the pub's got no beer
>
> Oh it's hard to believe that there's customers still
> But the money's still tinkling in the old ancient till
> The wine buffs are happy and I know they're sincere
> When they say they don't care if the pub's got no beer
>
> So it's-a lonesome away from your kindred and all
> By the campfire at night we'll hear the wild dingoes call
> But there's-a nothing so lonesome, morbid or drear
> Than to stand in the bar of that pub with-a no beer

** Thanks for that.

I wonderd how long it would take for anyone here to get the joke.

.... Phil

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TOPIC: Where to find (affordable) Oven Set Control G.E.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 7:13 am
From: Michael Gross

Vacillator wrote:

> Is there a more affordable way to obtain the part?

I'm sure they got those stoves in the projects. Just knock on someone's
door and say, "I'll trade you some crack for a part of your stove."

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TOPIC: Bad cap outcomes
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 4:16 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

D Yuniskis wrote:
>
> On 1/6/2011 9:42 AM, Jeffrey Angus wrote:
> ? On 1/6/2011 10:36 AM, N_Cook wrote:
> ?? D Yuniskis?not.going.to.be@seen.com? wrote:
> ??? E.g., I've been recommending disposing of machines
> ??? with this problem. The labor to re-cap just doesn't
> ??? make sense given the book value of machines that
> ??? exhibit these problems -- especially in light of
> ??? the fact that you can't be sure that the "repaired"
> ??? machine is really "100%" (maybe OK for a machine you
> ??? use informally at home, but would you want to *rely*
> ??? on it in a commercial environment?).
> ???
> ??? I suspect most machines are just recapped and re-used
> ??? but wanted confirmation or repudiation of that opinion.
> ??
> ?? And what percentage of times do you introduce new problems of disrupted
> ?? multi-layer board traces/vias in the act of desoldering/soldering caps ?
> ?
> ? Well obviously, using something a bit more suitable
> ? than a Weller soldering gun to do the re-cap helps.
> ?
> ? But yeah, I did mine, because I bought a pair of
> ? dells with the cap-itis problems for $50. With $25
> ? worth of caps they're good as new.
> ?
> ? Would I do this for a commercial customer? No, I'd
> ? give him $25 for the old machine and have him buy a
> ? new one.
>
> Assuming the old one is *worth* $25... :?
>
> ? Then fix his old one for myself. ;-)
>
> That's my point. If it's something you are going to
> use yourself it's a different case -- if you later
> see it "acting up", you can shrug your shoulders and
> give it the old "heave-ho". OTOH, you wouldn't want to
> "do your books" on it... :-/
>
> But, the question still stands: did you *examine*
> what was actually happening on the board or just
> "blindly" replace all the caps and hope for the best?

What happens is that a lot of motherboards were built with crap
electrolytics. They have a LOT of ripple current flowing through them,
which makes them run warm. When the electrolyte starts to dry out the
heating gets worse, till the caps fail. If you use a good grade of low
ESR 105 degree caps like the Panasonic FM series you end up with a
better than original motherboard.

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 4:17 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

N_Cook wrote:
>
> And what percentage of times do you introduce new problems of disrupted
> multi-layer board traces/vias in the act of desoldering/soldering caps ?

0%, if you know what the hell you are doing, and have decent tools.

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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 10:10 pm
From: stratus46@yahoo.com

On Jan 6, 8:50 am, Baron <baron.nos...@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote:
> D Yuniskis Inscribed thus:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I'm wondering what the prevailing approach is when
> > it comes to dealing with kit that has been found to
> > have "bad cap-itis". Particularly, PC's.
>
> > Do folks exploe the current operating conditions
> > of the machine *before* re-cap-ping (i.e., see
> > what supplies are affected, what sorts of ripple
> > is present, etc.)? Or, do you just replace and
> > *functionally* retest (i.e., if you haven't
> > probed the circuit to get an idea for the exact
> > nature of the problem, probing afterwards at
> > that level of detail seems to be a contradiction)?
>
> > In particular, how do you know if the system has
> > been operating within "absolute maximum ratings"
> > while this fault has been present? How do you
> > know the system's reliability/integrity hasn't
> > been compromised (so your "fix" is just a
> > band-aid)?
>
> > E.g., I've been recommending disposing of machines
> > with this problem. The labor to re-cap just doesn't
> > make sense given the book value of machines that
> > exhibit these problems -- especially in light of
> > the fact that you can't be sure that the "repaired"
> > machine is really "100%" (maybe OK for a machine you
> > use informally at home, but would you want to *rely*
> > on it in a commercial environment?).
>
> > I suspect most machines are just recapped and re-used
> > but wanted confirmation or repudiation of that opinion.
>
> > Thanks!
> > --don
>
> Its really a matter of horses for courses. Some you do and some you
> don't ! I don't recall having further trouble with re-capped PC
> mainboards. Having said that not all clients will come back and
> complain if the machine fails soon after its been repaired. Its become
> to easy to replace rather than repair nowadays !
>
> --
> Best Regards:
> Baron.

Had a PC mobo at work a couple years back that was not available any
longer but required as part of an expensive system. Replacing the bad
caps (and they were REALLY bad) has kept it working fine for 2 years.
Get a GOOD soldering iron like a Metcal. An inexpensive ESR meter is a
must. There are sometimes small ceramics in parallel with 'lytics and
these will 'fake out' the ESR meter. If a 'lytic measures bad, it's
bad but if it measures good, it may still be bad while measured in
circuit. Warming the cap while unsoldering it will make it read better
on the meter but very often gets much worse after cooling off. There
are some places where the caps need to be nearly perfect. A favorite
critical place is the filter in a SMPS on the 3.3 or 5V rail. The cap
may read 'OK' but that may not be nearly good enough. Don't use crap
grade caps either. For SM caps I like Panasonic FK or FP caps. Through
hole I start wit Panasonic FM, Nichicon HM.HN, HZ, PW and other low
ESR caps. Look for highest ripple current ratings.

Often there are a lot of caps same value and manufacturer. If some
read bad and others good, I change all of them since it's only a
matter of time for the rest to fail.

G²

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 4:56 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Franc Zabkar wrote:
>
> N_Cook wrote:
>
> ?I don't have a brain the size of a planet, mentally multiplying and adding
> ?integers is about my limit.
>
> I would think that most people would have a calculator handy in their
> workshop. Alternatively, why not just print out the chart, laminate
> it, and hang it on your wall?

Then he would have one less thing to complain about. ;-)

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Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 5:00 pm
From: sakthivel vel

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 6:28 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

>>
>
> Hi Arfa,
> Well I scoped the power rails without finding anything I could report as
> useful. The ripple that I did find was around 120mv and that was on
> the 33v rail. Some really odd waveforms on other pins, but meaningless
> without knowing what they were for. I did note that the heatsink for
> the CPU got moderately hot over the ten/fifteen minutes that I was
> checking voltage lines.
>
> Stuck for the moment. :-(
> Thanks:
>
> --
> Best Regards:
> Baron.

I'll be in his shop tomorrow. If I remember, I'll ask if he's had anything
else on those. Was there any prior symptoms ? Did it fail whilst on, or fail
to come out of standby. What exactly is the standby LED doing ? If it is
pulsing, have you tried unplugging the backlight inverter ?

Arfa

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 11:17 pm
From: "Michael Kennedy"

"jeff_wisnia" <jwisniaDumpThisPart@conversent.net> wrote in message
news:ig4rq1$4v4$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> About 10 years ago I installed "touch dimmers" inside four metal bodied
> table lamps in our home. We really like them because they eliminate
> fumbling for a small switch on the lamp base or bulb socket.
>
> The dimmer in the lamp I sit next to while reading died a few months ago
> and I replaced it with a new one, a different brand than the originals.
>
> After installing the replacement that lamp would occasionally shut down or
> jump to a different intensity level without my touching it. It would
> happen perhaps once a week.
>
> I tried tapping the lamp and its shade with a rolled up magazine to see if
> I'd messed up an left a "loose disconnection" somewhere when I installed
> the replacement touch dimmer, but that didn't have any effect, the dimmer
> stayed where it was set.
>
> Thinking the problem might be caused by line spikes I tried reversing the
> non polarized line plug to see if that would make the problem go away. It
> didn't.
>
> Last night I found out the cause.
>
> There was a small beetle like flying insect buzzing around inside the lamp
> shade and when I saw it bump into the metal body of the lamp the dimmer
> shut off. It bumped it a second time and the dimmer came on at its first
> intensity.
>
> The bug landed on the wall and I quickly sent it to its reward.
>
> What I don't understand is how a tiny bug like that could have enough body
> capacitance to activate the dimmer.
>
> Maybe flying around creates enough static charge on its body that when it
> touched the lamp there's enough discharge to trip the dimmer.
>
> Has anyone else ever experienced this bugging of a touch dimmer?
>
> Thanks Guys,
>
> Jeff
> --
> Jeffry Wisnia
> (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
> The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

It was a flying capacitor not a beatle.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 7 2011 12:47 am
From: "N_Cook"

Justine Thyme <root@localhost.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:04:08 -0500, PeterD <peter2@hipson.net> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:49:52 -0700, Justine Thyme <root@localhost.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 14:32:42 -0000, "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Anyone recognise and know meaning of the logo on a pcb overlay, USA
2007
> >>>date, the one next to the RU logo (included to show orientation). Maybe
pcb
> >>>makers logo but usually a string of compliance logos seen at that
posistion
> >>>on pcb overlays.
> >>>For those queezy about such things , you will need to engage script
blocker
> >>>for this site
> >>>http://diverse.4mg.com/compl_logo1.jpg
> >>>
> >>I think it is a UL mark that is used for components rather than
> >>complete products.
> >>
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognized_Component_Mark
> >
> >You are kidding, right? He said NEXT TO THE UL logo...
>
> Ah, my bad. I really need to start reading more carefully.
>
> The mark to the left of the RU looks to me more like a lithographic
> registration pattern than a llogo.

Probably logo of the board maker, details and more general useful info on my
reposting to sci.electronics.misc

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