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TOPIC: 12 volt automotive sealed beam lamps in series
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 4 2011 11:20 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

klem kedidelhopper wrote:
>
> On Jan 4, 8:39 pm, "Arfa Daily" <arfa.da...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > "klem kedidelhopper" <captainvideo462...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:81e17ec5-99bb-438d-aebc-3ea8077e583e@w2g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > I have a 24 volt military truck that I use for snow plowing. In the
> > > past I've had trouble finding 6000 series 24 volt sealed beam lamps
> > > for the plow frame.. And when I did I have found them to be very
> > > expensive. So I came up with a circuit using a DPDT switch in which
> > > both the high and low circuit lamp filaments are wired in series when
> > > power is applied. I was very careful to initially select two lamps
> > > that drew exactly the same current when tested on my bench power
> > > supply. The arrangement has worked flawlessly for the past few years.
> > > The other night I had occaision to look at the lights from outside the
> > > truck while it was running. Charging voltage on a 24 volt system can
> > > run as high as 28 volts on a typical 24 volt system. Although I didn't
> > > try to measure the voltage accross each lamp, I noticed that one lamp
> > > is slightly brighter than the other on the low circuit. I'm assuming
> > > that filament is getting weaker and thinner and will likely fail
> > > shortly. And of course when that happens I'll lose the low circuit. I
> > > can rematch two more lamps but before I do the thought occurred to me
> > > if there was any practical easy way the equalise the voltage accross
> > > both lamps in order to compensate for any minute differences in
> > > filament resistance. I think that the total current, (two lamps in
> > > series) is about 5.0 amps. Thanks for any suggestions. Lenny
> >
> > Nothing to do with the post Lenny - just a casual question about your nic !
> > :-)
> >
> > I never knew who or what Klem Kedidlehopper was, until I was in a movie
> > memorabilia shop in Vegas last week. There was a suit on display that
> > claimed to have been worn by this guy on his TV show (I'm assuming he is a
> > left-pondian comedian. Me being right-pondian, he's not one that I know).
> > But anyway, here's the thing. They had his name spelled with a "C" as in
> > Clem Kedidelhopper. Is that wrong of them, or is your spelling with a "K"
> > some comedic twist that I'm missing ?
> >
> > Arfa- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The military battery system consists of two 12volt batteries in
> series..Every load in the vehicle is connected between 24 volts and
> ground. There is no 12 volt load connected "halfway" between
> batteries. Electrically the charging system treats the two separate
> batteries as though they were one 24 volt battery. I like the idea of
> connecting each lamp to each battery, ( a three wire circuit), however
> in the event that a cell in either battery goes dead, the imbalance in
> voltage across the two batteries would be far greater than that
> created by a weak filament.
>
> Klem Kedidelhopper was a comediene of 1950's vintage I think.that he
> was the brain child of Red Skelton. When my son persuaded me to open
> an email account many years ago after I repeatedly told him that I
> would never have any use for one I had to pick a screen name.
> Never really thinking that this would ever even go anywhere and not
> fully taking this whole computer thing seriously at the time anyway, I
> chose the name of one of my favorite TV characters. Well these days I
> use email a lot, Klem is still on the job, I still think computers are
> a royal pain in the ass, and surprisingly most people have no idea as
> to who he was. Lenny.

He was a 'County Bumpkin' character perfomed by Red Skelton on his TV
variety show. Along with 'The mean widdle Kid', a bum named 'Freddy the
Freeloader' and other characters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Skelton

--
For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off
scientist!!!

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 12:40 am
From: "Brenda Ann"

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
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>
> Klem Kedidelhopper was a comediene of 1950's vintage I think.that he
> was the brain child of Red Skelton. When my son persuaded me to open
> an email account many years ago after I repeatedly told him that I
> would never have any use for one I had to pick a screen name.
> Never really thinking that this would ever even go anywhere and not
> fully taking this whole computer thing seriously at the time anyway, I
> chose the name of one of my favorite TV characters. Well these days I
> use email a lot, Klem is still on the job, I still think computers are
> a royal pain in the ass, and surprisingly most people have no idea as
> to who he was. Lenny.

He was a 'County Bumpkin' character perfomed by Red Skelton on his TV
variety show. Along with 'The mean widdle Kid', a bum named 'Freddy the
Freeloader' and other characters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Skelton

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My favorite is/was Cauiflower McPug. Red performed all those characters on
radio long before TV came along.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 1:56 am
From: D Yuniskis

On 1/5/2011 12:20 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> Klem Kedidelhopper was a comediene of 1950's vintage I think.that he
>> was the brain child of Red Skelton. When my son persuaded me to open
>> an email account many years ago after I repeatedly told him that I
>> would never have any use for one I had to pick a screen name.
>> Never really thinking that this would ever even go anywhere and not
>> fully taking this whole computer thing seriously at the time anyway, I
>> chose the name of one of my favorite TV characters. Well these days I
>> use email a lot, Klem is still on the job, I still think computers are
>> a royal pain in the ass, and surprisingly most people have no idea as
>> to who he was. Lenny.

Not *the* Lenny Bruce?? ;-)

> He was a 'County Bumpkin' character perfomed by Red Skelton on his TV
> variety show. Along with 'The mean widdle Kid', a bum named 'Freddy the
> Freeloader' and other characters.

Gertrude and Heathcliff

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 5:55 am
From: PeterD

On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:14:44 -0700, D Yuniskis
<not.going.to.be@seen.com> wrote:

>...
>
>That depends on the actual charger configuration -- hence my
>asking if it was a 24V monoblock or a pair of 12V monoblocks.
>

With the exception of a few vehicles, all military vehicles use a
standardized 24V alternator to charge two 12V batteries connected in
series. The exceptions are some new HMMWVs with the 4L80E transmission
which have a combination 24/12 volt alternator (which is really
expensive, a couple of thousand dollars), needed because the
transmission controller requires 12Volts, and some older military
pickup trucks (based on commercial pickups) that used two 12V
alternators to minimize the modifications needed to the electrical
system to convert them to military voltage standards.

>Given that this is the *military*, I am assuming that they
>have deep enough pockets to create their own standards
>(e.g., 400Hz power).

The military didn't create 400Hz power, IIRC, it is a standard for
aircraft electronics. It is used to keep transformer weights down in
an environment where weight is critical. The military uses 400 Hz for
some ground equipment, but often this equipment is based on airborn
electronics.

>As such, if they opted for two 12V
>monoblocks in the vehicle, I would assume they would have
>also designed a charging system that *treated* them as
>two 12V monoblocks and not a "24V battery"

Not sure what you are saying when you use the term 'monoblocks', all
military vehicles use 12V batteries in series. There is never
(excluding the exceptions noted above) a connection to the lower
battery except to the upper battery.

>-- since the
>added cost of charging them as two monoblocks would easily
>be outweighed by the increased "battery" life that obtains
>from that since imbalances between cells are a (the?) primary
>cause of battery failure (presumably the military wouldn't
>want to have to lug around spare batteries if they could make
>the ones they had last longer -- esp. in a war zone). Cells
>will *try* to equalize with overcharging in short strings
>but, as the string gets longer, battery life goes to hell
>(since the "good" cells get overstressed trying to "coax"
>the bad ones back in line; and, as a cell gets bad, it gets
>bad-er!)

Generally speaking you try to keep the battery pairs as matched as
possible, and occasionally you check the charge for each one. If one
is not being charged properly, replace them.

>
>But, I've never peeked under the hood of a military vehicle
>so can't tell if:
>- 1 monoblock or two

Again, what's a monoblock? A battery? Then yes, all have two 12volt
batteries. Yes, I have a number of military vehicles. And yes, I'm
well famiiliar with the electrical configurations for these setups.

>- three terminals to the battery or just two

Standard batteries. In fact, I often use batteries I buy from TSC in
my equipment--they are cheaper and usually have a compatible form
factor. Big trucks (like the 2 1/2 ton truck) use big truck batteries,
but they are still standard batteries.

>- is the *entire* system running at 24V (or just parts that
> draw higher currents)

Generally everything that can be run on 24 volts runs on 24volts. The
transmission controller on HMMWVs can't, so it runs on 12volts from
the dual voltage system. It is an exception! But all lights,
electronics, etc., are 24 volts on military vehicles--the military
doens't like multiple standards...

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 5:57 am
From: PeterD

On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:22:27 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>klem kedidelhopper wrote:
>>
>> I have a 24 volt military truck that I use for snow plowing. In the
>> past I've had trouble finding 6000 series 24 volt sealed beam lamps
>> for the plow frame.. And when I did I have found them to be very
>> expensive. So I came up with a circuit using a DPDT switch in which
>> both the high and low circuit lamp filaments are wired in series when
>> power is applied. I was very careful to initially select two lamps
>> that drew exactly the same current when tested on my bench power
>> supply. The arrangement has worked flawlessly for the past few years.
>> The other night I had occaision to look at the lights from outside the
>> truck while it was running. Charging voltage on a 24 volt system can
>> run as high as 28 volts on a typical 24 volt system. Although I didn't
>> try to measure the voltage accross each lamp, I noticed that one lamp
>> is slightly brighter than the other on the low circuit. I'm assuming
>> that filament is getting weaker and thinner and will likely fail
>> shortly. And of course when that happens I'll lose the low circuit. I
>> can rematch two more lamps but before I do the thought occurred to me
>> if there was any practical easy way the equalise the voltage accross
>> both lamps in order to compensate for any minute differences in
>> filament resistance. I think that the total current, (two lamps in
>> series) is about 5.0 amps. Thanks for any suggestions. Lenny
>
>
> How about a 24 V to 12 V converter to power the headlamps? National
>Semiconductor makes the 'Simple Switcher' series of regulators.

Would this 'simple switcher' handle the 5 amps that a headlamp draws?
If so then it would be a really interesting solution. (A typical
halogen headlight draws 4.5 to 5 amps.)

I suppose if you didn't care about efficiency a series regulator might
work, but it would sure generate a lot of heat! Course in the winter,
when it is cold out, that heat might be less of a problem. But your
suggestion of a switcher (which is much more efficient) is good.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 7:57 am
From: klem kedidelhopper

On Jan 5, 8:57 am, PeterD <pet...@hipson.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:22:27 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
>
>
>
>
>
> <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >klem kedidelhopper wrote:
>
> >> I have a 24 volt military truck that I use for snow plowing. In the
> >> past I've had trouble finding 6000 series 24 volt sealed beam lamps
> >> for the plow frame.. And when I did I have found them to be very
> >> expensive. So I came up with a circuit using a DPDT switch in which
> >> both the high and low circuit lamp filaments are wired in series when
> >> power is applied. I was very careful to initially select two lamps
> >> that drew exactly the same current when tested on my bench power
> >> supply. The arrangement has worked flawlessly for the past few years.
> >> The other night I had occaision to look at the lights from outside the
> >> truck while it was running. Charging voltage on a 24 volt system can
> >> run as high as 28 volts on a typical 24 volt system. Although I didn't
> >> try to measure the voltage accross each lamp, I noticed that one lamp
> >> is slightly brighter than the other on the low circuit. I'm assuming
> >> that filament is getting weaker and thinner and will likely fail
> >> shortly. And of course when that happens I'll lose the low circuit. I
> >> can rematch two more lamps but before I do the thought occurred to me
> >> if there was any practical easy way the equalise the voltage accross
> >> both lamps in order to compensate for any minute differences in
> >> filament resistance. I think that the total current, (two lamps in
> >> series) is about 5.0 amps. Thanks for any suggestions. Lenny
>
> > How about a 24 V to 12 V converter to power the headlamps? National
> >Semiconductor makes the 'Simple Switcher' series of regulators.
>
> Would this 'simple switcher' handle the 5 amps that a headlamp draws?
> If so then it would be a really interesting solution. (A typical
> halogen headlight draws 4.5 to 5 amps.)
>
> I suppose if you didn't care about efficiency a series regulator might
> work, but it would sure generate a lot of heat! Course in the winter,
> when it is cold out, that heat might be less of a problem. But your
> suggestion of a switcher (which is much more efficient) is good.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Last night I put two 12 volt sealed beam lamps that I got from a
vehicle in the junk yard on the bench and tested each one at 13V .They
were both halogen but appeared to be not from the same lot. Each lamp
drew almost 5.0A. The power supply showed a difference of about .125A
between lamps. I then wired the high beams in series and ran 28 volts,
(theoretical worst case charging voltage) across them. Then I measured
the voltage across each lamp. There was difference of about .450Volt
between each lamp. Probably not enough to worry about. I have more
lamps in the basement. I could possibly find a closer match if I
really look I suppose however .450V doesn't seem like an awful lot to
get upset about. Too bad I just couldn't employ a 10 amp zener diode,
if such a thing existed. Imagine the size of the series
resistor...What a seat warmer that would make on a cold Winter's
night.
Peter, I'd like to talk to you further about your military vehicles if
you'd like to .It seems that we share the same hobby. Please email me
privately at: captainvideo462002@yahoo.com Lenny

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TOPIC: SMD 1 percent resistor markings - aide memoire?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/c52c0c1e4db26587?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 12:26 am
From: "N_Cook"

Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:49:59 -0000, "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> put
> finger to keyboard and composed:
>
> >Confronted by resistor marking 75B translates as 5K9, anyone have an
> >approximate ie 10 percent conversion technique?
> >to avoid table lookup, eg
>
>http://talkingelectronics.com/projects/ResistorsMadeEasy/SMD-Resistors-EIA-
Markings.html
>
> How about ...
>
> 100 x 10^(nn / 100)
>
> - Franc Zabkar
> --
> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

I don't have a brain the size of a planet, mentally multiplying and adding
integres
is about my limit.

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TOPIC: UPS battery life
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 12:36 am
From: "Wild_Bill"

I was just looking at some of those triple-I brand batteries a couple of
days earlier, and noticed that they're low priced, and assumed that they may
also be low quality.
John, your experience with them in somewhat severe service is actually quite
impressive.

Since many of the lead-acid batteries which are available are now made in
China, there probably isn't a reliable method of choosing any particular
brand name for any significantly-better durability.. other than the
comparatively very expensive premium quality U.S. or UK brands.

--
Cheers,
WB
.............

<news@jecarter.us> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 16:01:08 -0500, "Wild_Bill"
> <wb_wildbill@XSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I think the reason for the long battery life in this case, is more likely
>>due to the quality of the batteries you're using.
>>What is the brand name and model number of the batteries?
>
> The batteries are Ebay "cheapies" from International Importers. Their
> house brand is "III". See listing here:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/12V-10ah-Sealed-Lead-Acid-Battery-/290509772610?pt=PCA_UPS&hash=item43a3bb5742
>
> John

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TOPIC: CD optical block shorting links
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/c6b70c559f40bbab?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 12:34 am
From: "N_Cook"

Arfa Daily <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >>
> >>
> >> "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >> > Mark Zacharias <mark_zacharias@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:4d22fd17$0$24010$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com...
> >> >> "Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Mark Zacharias" <mark_zacharias@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:4d21c7a5$0$13466$c3e8da3$38634283@news.astraweb.com...
> >> >> >> "Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:5IiUo.37568$E44.36579@newsfe30.ams2...
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> "Samuel M. Goldwasser" <sam@repairfaq.org> wrote in message
> >> >> >>> news:uzkrw6uvb.fsf@repairfaq.org...
> >> >> >>>> "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> writes:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Samuel M. Goldwasser <sam@repairfaq.org> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>>> news:uei994ivz.fsf@repairfaq.org...
> >> >> >>>>> > "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> writes:
> >> >> >>>>> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey, Geoff.
> >> >>
> >> >> Actually there's been so few replaced by me in recent years, I don't
> >> >> think
> >> >> I've used a generic 240 yet. I've gotten "original Sony" pickups
from
> >> >> a
> >> >> reliable supplier, but none lately, so those "NOS" pickups may be
> >> >> gone.
> >> >> I do believe that a lot of the "flaky KSS240" problems we
experienced
> >> >> over
> >> >> the years were actually bad flat wires. Had one a couple months
back.
> >> >> Of course I can see where a generic might be shipped unadjusted and
> > that
> >> >> could be disastrous. The are three adjustments on the 240 as you
know,
> >> >> not
> >> >> just the laser power adjustment. Kind of hard to adjust them while
> >> >> they
> >> > are
> >> >> playing!
> >> >>
> >> >> Mark Z.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This generic Sanyo one , oriental script only, had the pot "set" at
> >> > zero
> >> > ohms as well as zero ohms across the laser
> >> >
> >>
> >> That seems very odd. I don't think I've ever seen that. So, when you'd
> >> removed the solder blob short, did it still not work ? Or was the pot
> > being
> >> "set at zero ohms" equivalent to it running flat out ? Again, and odd
> >> situation ... Did you reset it to some other value ? How ? Laser power
> >> meter ?
> >>
> >> Arfa
> >>
> >
> > Pedants and purist look away now
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I set the pot to the value of the original one and worked without
hickup.
> > Then used the following , adjusting pot, which turned out to be centred
as
> > far as I could tell by this method, to optimal as first set.
> >
> > For checking error correction /immunity to errors.
> > An out of favour audio CD but otherwise in perfect playable condition.
> > With an assortment of potentiometer back nuts and washers ,small motor
> > pulleys find a combination that will "fill up" the hole in the centre of
> > the
> > CD leaving
> > just a small hole at the very centre> With a set of "geometry"
dividers
> > put one point
> > in this hole and lightly scratch a gouge about halfway along a radius of
> > the
> > CD and about 1/4 of the circumference at that radius. Remove the
washers
> > etc and play on a known good player.
> > Repeat the groove cutting deeper/wider/number of nearby grooves until
one
> > track
> > or part of that track fails to play.
> > Make a note of the track number and start seconds and finish seconds
> > into the track/sections of track/s that are absent.
> > For your own machine every now and then (months) play and note the
numbers
> > to note
> > long term drift. More absences/ longer absences over time indicates
> > deterioration in optics /correction . Use the same CD for checking in CD
> > repair of other machines and crude adjusting of optical power etc.
> >
> >
>
> That's quite novel. I actually have a test CD from Panasonic, that has
> similar linear defects literally 'burnt' into the play layer. There is
also
> another one I have, which has a piece of PCB masking tape (the old black
> lines used when making your own pcbs) right across a radius. This allows
you
> to look at the recovery times of the servos at various rotational speeds.
>
> I'm still a bit puzzled though as to why this 'new out of the box' laser,
> came from the manufacturer in an apparently unadjusted condition. I don't
> think that I have ever seen this. Most are factory set and sealed. There
are
> a few notable exceptions, such as some Pioneer lasers where setting the
> output level is an integral part of the service and set-up procedure, but
> even then, they are set 'ball park' and seldom require much adjustment to
> achieve the 'standard' 1v p-p eye pattern
>
> Arfa
>

On most occassions I've had a salvaged one , so I automatically change the
pot to whatever the setting was for the current repair as an initial set. So
naturally noticed this new one was at the end of track, 0 ohm. Plugged in
forgetting about the shorting links as I'm not accustomed to seeing them. No
magic smoke, just absolutely no dull red glow in a dark room.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 2:46 am
From: "Arfa Daily"

"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>
>> "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> >> > Mark Zacharias <mark_zacharias@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>> >> >> "Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Mark Zacharias" <mark_zacharias@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>> >> >> >> "Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:5IiUo.37568$E44.36579@newsfe30.ams2...
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> "Samuel M. Goldwasser" <sam@repairfaq.org> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>> news:uzkrw6uvb.fsf@repairfaq.org...
>> >> >> >>>> "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> writes:
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> Samuel M. Goldwasser <sam@repairfaq.org> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>> news:uei994ivz.fsf@repairfaq.org...
>> >> >> >>>>> > "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> writes:
>> >> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hey, Geoff.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Actually there's been so few replaced by me in recent years, I
>> >> >> don't
>> >> >> think
>> >> >> I've used a generic 240 yet. I've gotten "original Sony" pickups
> from
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> reliable supplier, but none lately, so those "NOS" pickups may be
>> >> >> gone.
>> >> >> I do believe that a lot of the "flaky KSS240" problems we
> experienced
>> >> >> over
>> >> >> the years were actually bad flat wires. Had one a couple months
> back.
>> >> >> Of course I can see where a generic might be shipped unadjusted and
>> > that
>> >> >> could be disastrous. The are three adjustments on the 240 as you
> know,
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> just the laser power adjustment. Kind of hard to adjust them while
>> >> >> they
>> >> > are
>> >> >> playing!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Mark Z.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > This generic Sanyo one , oriental script only, had the pot "set" at
>> >> > zero
>> >> > ohms as well as zero ohms across the laser
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> That seems very odd. I don't think I've ever seen that. So, when you'd
>> >> removed the solder blob short, did it still not work ? Or was the pot
>> > being
>> >> "set at zero ohms" equivalent to it running flat out ? Again, and odd
>> >> situation ... Did you reset it to some other value ? How ? Laser
>> >> power
>> >> meter ?
>> >>
>> >> Arfa
>> >>
>> >
>> > Pedants and purist look away now
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I set the pot to the value of the original one and worked without
> hickup.
>> > Then used the following , adjusting pot, which turned out to be centred
> as
>> > far as I could tell by this method, to optimal as first set.
>> >
>> > For checking error correction /immunity to errors.
>> > An out of favour audio CD but otherwise in perfect playable condition.
>> > With an assortment of potentiometer back nuts and washers ,small motor
>> > pulleys find a combination that will "fill up" the hole in the centre
>> > of
>> > the
>> > CD leaving
>> > just a small hole at the very centre> With a set of "geometry"
> dividers
>> > put one point
>> > in this hole and lightly scratch a gouge about halfway along a radius
>> > of
>> > the
>> > CD and about 1/4 of the circumference at that radius. Remove the
> washers
>> > etc and play on a known good player.
>> > Repeat the groove cutting deeper/wider/number of nearby grooves until
> one
>> > track
>> > or part of that track fails to play.
>> > Make a note of the track number and start seconds and finish seconds
>> > into the track/sections of track/s that are absent.
>> > For your own machine every now and then (months) play and note the
> numbers
>> > to note
>> > long term drift. More absences/ longer absences over time indicates
>> > deterioration in optics /correction . Use the same CD for checking in
>> > CD
>> > repair of other machines and crude adjusting of optical power etc.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> That's quite novel. I actually have a test CD from Panasonic, that has
>> similar linear defects literally 'burnt' into the play layer. There is
> also
>> another one I have, which has a piece of PCB masking tape (the old black
>> lines used when making your own pcbs) right across a radius. This allows
> you
>> to look at the recovery times of the servos at various rotational speeds.
>>
>> I'm still a bit puzzled though as to why this 'new out of the box' laser,
>> came from the manufacturer in an apparently unadjusted condition. I don't
>> think that I have ever seen this. Most are factory set and sealed. There
> are
>> a few notable exceptions, such as some Pioneer lasers where setting the
>> output level is an integral part of the service and set-up procedure, but
>> even then, they are set 'ball park' and seldom require much adjustment to
>> achieve the 'standard' 1v p-p eye pattern
>>
>> Arfa
>>
>
> On most occassions I've had a salvaged one , so I automatically change the
> pot to whatever the setting was for the current repair as an initial set.
> So
> naturally noticed this new one was at the end of track, 0 ohm. Plugged in
> forgetting about the shorting links as I'm not accustomed to seeing them.
> No
> magic smoke, just absolutely no dull red glow in a dark room.
>
>
Hmmmm. If you've got away with that to date, I feel that you have been
lucky. Normally, the optical block is factory adjusted to give the correct
output power for the laser diode fitted. I understand that the output power
of laser diodes for a given bias, is quite variable, hence the need for the
adjustment. These diodes are also very sensitive to over-drive, and the
smallest amount can damage them in short order, which is why just turning up
a worn one is seldom successful for more than a few weeks, before total
failure. If swapping optical blocks from scrappers to repairs - which is not
in my opinion a very worthwhile practice, given the low price of most
replacement lasers anyway - I would feel inclined to leave the pot set where
the factory put it to suit the particular diode fitted to that particular
block.

Arfa

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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 2:18 am
From: "Arfa Daily"

Bit of a long shot, but I don't suppose anyone on here has got a scrap one
of these languishing up a corner in their cellar or wherever ? Owner of a
shop that I do a lot of work for has been given one of these lovely old
units, but the VFD is busted. Other than that, it all seems to work just
fine. It's an NEC 16 character 'starburst' type. Seems its actual number is
FIP16A5. There are references on the 'net, but no one stocking such an item
even as NOS. Anyone help ?

TIA

Arfa

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 3:42 am
From: "Phil Allison"

"Arfuckwit Daily"
>
> Bit of a long shot, but I don't suppose anyone on here has got a scrap one
> of these languishing up a corner in their cellar or wherever ? Owner of a
> shop that I do a lot of work for has been given one of these lovely old
> units, but the VFD is busted. Other than that, it all seems to work just
> fine. It's an NEC 16 character 'starburst' type. Seems its actual number
> is FIP16A5. There are references on the 'net, but no one stocking such an
> item even as NOS. Anyone help ?

** But there's-a nothing so lonesome, morbid or drear....

than some fucking pile of FAULTY digital shit that is over 20 years old.

Get real - you stupid, pommy fuckhead.

( my apologies to Slim Dusty )

.... Phil

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 4:51 am
From: Bill Palmer

On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 22:42:23 +1100 "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote
in Message id: <8oj3pdFf1nU1@mid.individual.net>:

>
>"Arfuckwit Daily"
>>
>> Bit of a long shot, but I don't suppose anyone on here has got a scrap one
>> of these languishing up a corner in their cellar or wherever ? Owner of a
>> shop that I do a lot of work for has been given one of these lovely old
>> units, but the VFD is busted. Other than that, it all seems to work just
>> fine. It's an NEC 16 character 'starburst' type. Seems its actual number
>> is FIP16A5. There are references on the 'net, but no one stocking such an
>> item even as NOS. Anyone help ?
>
>
>** But there's-a nothing so lonesome, morbid or drear....
>
>
>than some fucking pile of FAULTY digital shit that is over 20 years old.
>
>Get real - you stupid, pommy fuckhead.

I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to
pronounce.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 5:23 am
From: Archon

On 1/5/2011 5:18 AM, Arfa Daily wrote:
> Bit of a long shot, but I don't suppose anyone on here has got a scrap
> one of these languishing up a corner in their cellar or wherever ? Owner
> of a shop that I do a lot of work for has been given one of these lovely
> old units, but the VFD is busted. Other than that, it all seems to work
> just fine. It's an NEC 16 character 'starburst' type. Seems its actual
> number is FIP16A5. There are references on the 'net, but no one stocking
> such an item even as NOS. Anyone help ?
>
> TIA
>
> Arfa

Ebay #260659423706

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 6:27 am
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:8oj3pdFf1nU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Arfuckwit Daily"
>>
>> Bit of a long shot, but I don't suppose anyone on here has got a scrap
>> one of these languishing up a corner in their cellar or wherever ? Owner
>> of a shop that I do a lot of work for has been given one of these lovely
>> old units, but the VFD is busted. Other than that, it all seems to work
>> just fine. It's an NEC 16 character 'starburst' type. Seems its actual
>> number is FIP16A5. There are references on the 'net, but no one stocking
>> such an item even as NOS. Anyone help ?
>
>
> ** But there's-a nothing so lonesome, morbid or drear....
>
>
> than some fucking pile of FAULTY digital shit that is over 20 years old.
>
> Get real - you stupid, pommy fuckhead.
>
>
> ( my apologies to Slim Dusty )
>
>
>
> .... Phil
>

How many times do I have to tell you Philip ? This behaviour just gets you
back on that naughty step yet again ...

Now be a good little sheep-shagger, take your meds that you've forgotten
again, and crawl back under your stone until you feel better. Then, if
you've got anything valid to say, we might let you back in ...

Arfa

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 6:31 am
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Bill Palmer" <Biiil@none.not> wrote in message
news:j8q8i6d2996q2oesuvpvg4cq1akil98ecc@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 22:42:23 +1100 "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote
> in Message id: <8oj3pdFf1nU1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>>
>>"Arfuckwit Daily"
>>>
>>> Bit of a long shot, but I don't suppose anyone on here has got a scrap
>>> one
>>> of these languishing up a corner in their cellar or wherever ? Owner of
>>> a
>>> shop that I do a lot of work for has been given one of these lovely old
>>> units, but the VFD is busted. Other than that, it all seems to work just
>>> fine. It's an NEC 16 character 'starburst' type. Seems its actual number
>>> is FIP16A5. There are references on the 'net, but no one stocking such
>>> an
>>> item even as NOS. Anyone help ?
>>
>>
>>** But there's-a nothing so lonesome, morbid or drear....
>>
>>
>>than some fucking pile of FAULTY digital shit that is over 20 years old.
>>
>>Get real - you stupid, pommy fuckhead.
>
> I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to
> pronounce.

It's called psychoticaussietwatitis. When he remembers to take his meds,
it's quite well controlled. Unfortunately, every few weeks, he forgets them,
and then has an episode like this. Sad, really, because when it's properly
controlled, he can be quite lucid, and occasionally shows flashes of what
almost passes for intelligence in the normal world ...

Arfa

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 6:43 am
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Archon" <Chipbee40_SpamNo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%g_Uo.284028$Ph5.110879@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com...
> On 1/5/2011 5:18 AM, Arfa Daily wrote:
>> Bit of a long shot, but I don't suppose anyone on here has got a scrap
>> one of these languishing up a corner in their cellar or wherever ? Owner
>> of a shop that I do a lot of work for has been given one of these lovely
>> old units, but the VFD is busted. Other than that, it all seems to work
>> just fine. It's an NEC 16 character 'starburst' type. Seems its actual
>> number is FIP16A5. There are references on the 'net, but no one stocking
>> such an item even as NOS. Anyone help ?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Arfa
>
> Ebay #260659423706
>
> JC

Thanks very much for that. I put the owner onto it, but I'm not sure if he
is going to be able to get it, as the seller is in the US and we are in the
UK. When he tried to do a 'buy it now' on it, it refused him as not
qualifying for some of the sellers set criteria for buyers, and the one
causing the problem was "seller does not ship to your location". He is now
in the process of contacting the seller to see if he will exempt him from
the condition as it is small and Jiffy-baggable, and ship it anyway. Again,
thanks for the pointer.

Arfa

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 7:01 am
From: Archon

On 1/5/2011 9:43 AM, Arfa Daily wrote:
>
>
> "Archon" <Chipbee40_SpamNo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%g_Uo.284028$Ph5.110879@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com...
>> On 1/5/2011 5:18 AM, Arfa Daily wrote:
>>> Bit of a long shot, but I don't suppose anyone on here has got a scrap
>>> one of these languishing up a corner in their cellar or wherever ? Owner
>>> of a shop that I do a lot of work for has been given one of these lovely
>>> old units, but the VFD is busted. Other than that, it all seems to work
>>> just fine. It's an NEC 16 character 'starburst' type. Seems its actual
>>> number is FIP16A5. There are references on the 'net, but no one stocking
>>> such an item even as NOS. Anyone help ?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Arfa
>>
>> Ebay #260659423706
>>
>> JC
>
> Thanks very much for that. I put the owner onto it, but I'm not sure if
> he is going to be able to get it, as the seller is in the US and we are
> in the UK. When he tried to do a 'buy it now' on it, it refused him as
> not qualifying for some of the sellers set criteria for buyers, and the
> one causing the problem was "seller does not ship to your location". He
> is now in the process of contacting the seller to see if he will exempt
> him from the condition as it is small and Jiffy-baggable, and ship it
> anyway. Again, thanks for the pointer.
>
> Arfa
Most US sellers will ship to the UK if asked, the problem with offering
Worldwide shipping on Ebay is all the duff countries that sellers are
exposed to. If its a problem I'm sure some of us Stateside can help with
shipping a small item.
JC

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 3:38 am
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TOPIC: Luxman R117 receiver with oscillation
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 6:57 am
From: Chuck

On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 08:39:31 -0500, Tim Schwartz <tim@bristolnj.com>
wrote:

>Hello and Happy New Year all,
>
> I've got a Luxman R117 receiver here that breaks into a wild
>oscillation when the amp is pushed. I believe that it occurs when the
>amp switches from the low B+ rails to the high B+ rails. Turning up the
>treble control seems to make it worse, but that might be a red herring.
>
> I've changed all of the electrolytic capacitors in the tone circuit,
>I've tested and substituted the 4 main filter caps. I've check the
>suppression network on the output.I this this is some sort of decoupling
>problem, but I've sent way too much time on this receiver. A friend who
>worked on these when they were under warranty has looked it over as
>well, and we're both stumped.
>
> Anyone in the group seen anything like this on a Luxman R117?
>
>Many thanks,
>Tim Schwartz
>Bristol Electronics

Is there a possibility that someone has changed the outputs or drivers
with faster transistors than the OEMs? Chuck

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 7:04 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

A question... Have you stuck a 'scope on the output to see what the
"oscillation" looks like?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 7:39 am
From: "hrhofmann@att.net"

On Jan 4, 4:14 pm, Baron <baron.nos...@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote:
> Does anyone know where I can get service information for a Samsung LCD
> TV Model LE37R87BDX.
>
> Google gets lots of hits, but they are all dead ends in one way or
> another.
>
> Mine has just decided to switch itself off and sulk ! :-(
>
> Thanks.
> --
> Best Regards:
> Baron.

Have you checked SAM"S PHotofacts?

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 7:49 am
From: Geo

On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 15:28:03 +0000, adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian
Tuddenham) wrote:

>Phil Allison <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
>> "Adrian Tuddenham"
>>
>>
>> ** The advice for your problem is that the shutter is stuck open causing
>> over exposure on bright subjects.
>
>That seems to be the most likely cause. I have found a firm that will
>repair it (with a guarantee) for £72, so that is my least-bad option.

Have you looked at the price and spec of a Canon replacement?
e.g:-
<http://www.canon.co.uk/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_Camera/PowerShot/PowerShot_A495/>

--
Geo

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 7:57 am
From: Meat Plow

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:56:46 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:

> "Meathead Blowhard"
>>
>>> ** The advice for your problem is that the shutter is stuck open
>>> causing over exposure on bright subjects.
>>
>> Only if it had a shutter.
>
>
> ** Fuck off - IMBECILE !!!!!!!!!!

Is that OOOPSIE! in Phil-Speak? :)

--
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