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Today's topics:

* Laptop not charging. - 5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/3f52116e8141f1a4?hl=en
* Desk Lamp Mercury - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/298b36c6025d19e8?hl=en
* Sony XR-C5300, car radio -failed tuner block - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/1957e53a2d1f64bd?hl=en
* Eco - windmills ... (bit OT) - 6 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/a12dc199597830ae?hl=en
* remote control keypad conductivity repair - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/8b03ab352dcfc1b2?hl=en
* Want to Earn $400 min Per Week - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/91dbb54bf3d8167c?hl=en

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TOPIC: Laptop not charging.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/3f52116e8141f1a4?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 6 2011 1:47 pm
From: T i m

On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 13:05:13 -0600, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov>
wrote:

>> But then I have never seen why we need so many different cars, washing
>> machines, TVs .....
>
>different people want different features.

Yes, but not as many features as options available I bet? And how much
energy is going into this duplication.

What I'm suggesting is that there are netbooks, notebooks, laptops and
desktop replacements and IMHO most people would be happy with many of
the examples of each, especially if they were given them for free for
example.

>I prefer small cars that handle well and have "ample accelleration",while
>others want armored tanks that ride like boats and seat half a dozen.

I guess the issue is (and this is an oft seen human trait) of the
constant bastardisation of utility things for (what could be seen as
if you get down to the nuts_and_bolts) an irrelevant cause. Like, IC
engined 'cars' evolved for transport, to carry you and you goods from
A to B. Easier to keep than a horse and quicker to get ready than a
steam plant. So, as soon as two get side by side we invent 'racing'.
;-(

There are only two types of car for me. An estate or 'free' (or very
cheap) as long as it can work for me.

The only car I've bought from new was my Company Sierra Estate and I
had that in the end for 23 years. Not once during that period did I
even consider anything else (other than for better fuel economy) as
that did all I ever wanted and more. Further it was very very
reliable. The other support guys chose hot-hatches and guess who they
came to when they wanted to move house etc. I always declined a
temporary 'swap' as a hot hatch was no use to me and especially so
without a towbar.

I guess my point is that most people could make good use of an estate
car but fewer could manage with a two seater or afford to run a Lambo.
But apparently that's not what it's all about (any more)? We are sold
the imagery of cruising the open road in the sunshine when the reality
is far from that for the vast majority.

>
>IMO,those "chipped" suppplies/battery packs are just an effort to
>monopolize their products,so you can't use generic chargers or battery
>packs and save money.

If I may play devils advocate for a mo, they might also try to ensure
a bit of compatibility quality control and / or better design? Don't
get me wrong, I don't like being ripped off on anything and won't buy
a 'name' just because. However, there are times said name = quality or
safety and that sometimes can be good VFM.

>The "generic" charger or battery pack just has it's internal ID chip
>programmed to suit a particular manufacturer,and a "brand name" tag
>applied,raising the price and profit margin.

And /could/ include some better quality control? OOI, the obviously
rip off / clone 'Dell' charger I have here (with Dell on the case and
everything) weighs half of that of a genuine charger? Do they use
lighter components or less of them I wonder. If less I wonder what
sort of stuff they left out?

Horses for courses (and racecourses) I guess. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 6 2011 2:29 pm
From: Bob Villa

On Feb 6, 3:47 pm, T i m <n...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 13:05:13 -0600, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov>
> wrote:
>
> >> But then I have never seen why we need so many different cars, washing
> >> machines, TVs .....
>
> >different people want different features.
>
> Yes, but not as many features as options available I bet? And how much
> energy is going into this duplication.
>
> What I'm suggesting is that there are netbooks, notebooks, laptops and
> desktop replacements and IMHO most people would be happy with many of
> the examples of each, especially if they were given them for free for
> example.
>
> >I prefer small cars that handle well and have "ample accelleration",while
> >others want armored tanks that ride like boats and seat half a dozen.
>
> I guess the issue is (and this is an oft seen human trait) of the
> constant bastardisation of utility things for (what could be seen as
> if you get down to the nuts_and_bolts) an irrelevant cause. Like, IC
> engined 'cars' evolved for transport, to carry you and you goods from
> A to B. Easier to keep than a horse and quicker to get ready than a
> steam plant. So, as soon as two get side by side we invent 'racing'.
> ;-(
>
> There are only two types of car for me. An estate or 'free' (or very
> cheap) as long as it can work for me.
>
> The only car I've bought from new was my Company Sierra Estate and I
> had that in the end for 23 years. Not once during that period did I
> even consider anything else (other than for better fuel economy) as
> that did all I ever wanted and more. Further it was very very
> reliable. The other support guys chose hot-hatches and guess who they
> came to when they wanted to move house etc. I always declined a
> temporary 'swap' as a hot hatch was no use to me and especially so
> without a towbar.
>
> I guess my point is that most people could make good use of an estate
> car but fewer could manage with a two seater or afford to run a Lambo.
> But apparently that's not what it's all about (any more)? We are sold
> the imagery of cruising the open road in the sunshine when the reality
> is far from that for the vast majority.
>
>
>
> >IMO,those "chipped" suppplies/battery packs are just an effort to
> >monopolize their products,so you can't use generic chargers or battery
> >packs and save money.
>
> If I may play devils advocate for a mo, they might also try to ensure
> a bit of compatibility quality control and / or better design? Don't
> get me wrong, I don't like being ripped off on anything and won't buy
> a 'name' just because. However, there are times said name = quality or
> safety and that sometimes can be good VFM.
>
> >The "generic" charger or battery pack just has it's internal ID chip
> >programmed to suit a particular manufacturer,and a "brand name" tag
> >applied,raising the price and profit margin.
>
> And /could/ include some better quality control? OOI, the obviously
> rip off / clone 'Dell' charger I have here (with Dell on the case and
> everything) weighs half of that of a genuine charger? Do they use
> lighter components or less of them I wonder. If less I wonder  what
> sort of stuff they left out?
>
> Horses for courses (and racecourses) I guess. ;-)
>
> Cheers, T i m

Maybe you could explain the vernacular, such as "hot hatch" (sporty
hatch-back?), "tow-bar" (trailer hitch?), and is a Sierra Estate a
Chevy or what?
Thanks!
bob

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 6 2011 4:47 pm
From: T i m

On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:29:27 -0800 (PST), Bob Villa
<pheeh.zero@gmail.com> wrote:

>Maybe you could explain the vernacular,

Ah, sorry. ;-)

> such as "hot hatch" (sporty
>hatch-back?),

Yup ...

> "tow-bar" (trailer hitch?),

Yup ...

> and is a Sierra Estate a
>Chevy or what?

Ford Sierra 2L GL estate. I think it was sold under the Merkur brand
in the States and possibly only the 3 door and a couple of other
variants?

And I drove it on the road not the pavement, it has bumpers, bonnet
and boot but wasn't converted to run on 'gas' (it ran on petrol). ;-)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1255/4721558505_fb0f3a0624.jpg
(looks very much like mine)

So, you got the first two right and it didn't really matter what the
estate car was (as long as you got it was an estate car as such) as it
was more the function than the make, model or size I was eluding to.
;-)

However, /this/ estate had the 2L Pinto engine that was good because
it was pretty unbustable and was very common across a wide range of
vehicles and years. That means spares were readily available should
you need them. The cam belt went once and 12 GBP and an hour later I
had fitted it myself and was driving home (safe engine = such things
don't wreck the engine).

I generally towed my 14' sailing dingy about but also a 1/2 tonne
goods trailer I built. We also have a folding caravan (trailer?) that
it towed easily. Daughters Yamaha TY80 trials bike would fit across
the back on a towbar mounted rack. My electrathon motorbike, my mates
electrically assisted cycle, my Sinclair C5 and all associated kit
would fit in the back a treat. ;-)

The 2/3 split rear seats folded down to provide a very flat loading
bay and the shape of the glass in the tailgate meant even if something
looked like it was sticking out it would often be encompassed by the
tailgate easily.

The long roof with gutters mean I could fit a decent roofbars (for
carrying canoes, timber or even 5m lengths of steel stock. ;-)

5 speed gearbox with a long 5th meant 70 mph motorway cruising was
pretty comfortable.

I never had any problem with the power steering, central locking,
electric windows, alarm or electric sunroof because it didn't have any
of them. ;-)

FWIW it could have been anything that offered the same versatility as
long as it offered the same reliability etc.

Being 'common' (they were std issue 'rep-mobiles' for quite a while)
and using parts common to several engines meant I rarely had to wait
for spares to be ordered from overseas, they were pretty cheap
(pattern parts) and were available anywhere. Comforting to know you
can get a fan belt or hose at most motorway services. ;-)

Same logic re my BMW R100RT or Honda CB250 'Nighthawk' motorcycles.
Also why we used a Ford Escort donor when we built the kitcar
(reliable and easy / cheap parts). Also why I have always built my own
PCs and may have had a Mac at the time had I been able to build my
own. And I've therefore always run Windows (still happily on XP)
because most things are available for and run on it.

If I buy a new soldering iron one of the things I would look for is
the availability of spare tips etc and would pay more for one with
better (parts) support.

These days though we have the extra choice of 'disposable'. ;-(

I put little value on named brands and even less on 'designer'.

We have few photos or pictures up at home and no 'mood lighting'.

Rather than worrying about the fact our car was now 3 years old or if
our walls were in the 'in' colour we would rather be out cycling,
boating, motorcycling , flying power kites or camping etc.

Luckily it takes all sorts though or how else would I get good but
broken stuff given to me to fix for myself! ;-)

Cheers, T i m

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 6 2011 4:54 pm
From: who where

On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 10:33:40 +0000, T i m <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote:

>On Sat, 05 Feb 2011 17:35:58 -0600, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov>
>wrote:
>
>
>>> p.s. I was wondering just how the original Dell battery declared
>>> itself 'dead' and therefore, if I was to re-cell the original with the
>>> cells from the clone, will it be happy (or have the electronics now
>>> shut down for good)?
>>>
>>
>>maybe it's better to buy generic laptops instead of name brands,and then
>>you can use generic chargers and battery packs.
>
>Assuming they all aren't going that way as has been suggested then yes
>I guess it would.
>
>FWIW the only laptop I have ever bought new was a Compaq Contura and I
>think that may have been a 386. The rest were mostly given to me
>(broken) or sold cheap (low spec or with known faults) etc.
>
>Daughters Dell Latitude came the cheap way (mate buys laptops by the
>pallet) with an unknown BIOS password but �20 and t'internet had that
>sorted. ;-)
>
>Daughters b/f bought the Dell Inspiron 1545 new as did the owner of
>the Studio 1535 I'm looking at now and in light of the current issues
>I'm not sure if either would go that way again. However, how could you
>tell if a laptop used 'tied' components like this?
>
>Also, I wonder what proportion of laptop buyers go looking for cheap
>replacement bits off eBay versus buying them straight off the
>manufacturers web site (and therefore never 'seeing the problems')?
>
>IN the case of the Dells I have here atm I'm not sure any of the
>issues have said 'This is not a Dell battery / adaptor' but:
>
>"This battery has experienced a permanent failure and needs to be
>replaced".
>
>"Warning: The battery cannot be identified.
>This system will be unable to charge this battery"
>
>.. and similar with the power adaptors.
>
>So presumably those could still happen whoever's brand sticker was on
>the machine itself?
>
>But yes, bring on the 'generic / modular' laptop (so it works more
>like desktop clones) where not just things like optical drives can be
>swapped between brands (and CPUs, RAM, HDDs etc) but system boards,
>chargers and batteries.

Have been watching this thread with some interest. We travel with a
Dell Vostro 1400 (Aug08 delivery), and in late 2008 we left the PSU
behind in sthn Calif. Noticed its absence in Vegas, and happened upon
a pooter shop who had new generic (non-Dell-branded) PSU's at a decent
price compared to the genuine Dell product. On first use - as they
explained - the Vostro reported a non-genuine PSU but has worked fine
for the last two years.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 6 2011 5:37 pm
From: T i m

On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 08:54:59 +0800, who where <noone@home.net> wrote:

>>But yes, bring on the 'generic / modular' laptop (so it works more
>>like desktop clones) where not just things like optical drives can be
>>swapped between brands (and CPUs, RAM, HDDs etc) but system boards,
>>chargers and batteries.
>
>Have been watching this thread with some interest. We travel with a
>Dell Vostro 1400 (Aug08 delivery), and in late 2008 we left the PSU
>behind in sthn Calif. Noticed its absence in Vegas, and happened upon
>a pooter shop who had new generic (non-Dell-branded) PSU's at a decent
>price compared to the genuine Dell product.

Ok.

> On first use - as they
>explained - the Vostro reported a non-genuine PSU but has worked fine
>for the last two years.

Including charging the battery you mean?

I have two 'non Dell' power adaptors here. One looks very Dell, runs
but won't charge and another that is not so Dell looking that both
runs and charges on the D520 and 1545 (as does my Targus 90W adaptor).
We don't know if either will charge the 1535 yet as we don't have a
good / recognised one to try. ;-(

The copy charger that works has the spec of a 90W (if anything is to
be believed) but is reported (on all 3 Dell laptops) as being 150W!
;-)

I think what can actually happen may depend to some degree the
particular model. Daughters D520 is very happy with a clone battery
whereas the 1535 doesn't seem to want to play. That could be as much
down to the batteries of course.

Cheers, T i m

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TOPIC: Desk Lamp Mercury
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/298b36c6025d19e8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 6 2011 3:37 pm
From: vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com

*+-"lamprecycle.org" if you went there...does not recycle fixtures or

True - but the label is still at least misleading

Lamp usually refers to fixture, bulb to bulb..

*+-appliances. It would have explained what your asking.
*+-The "gooseneck" I bought from Staples was a "Tensor" and has a cast-
*+-iron disc in the base. (Works well with CFL)

The one that needed replacing had a cast iron disc at the base. Unfortunately
the old neck got unscrewed from the base too much when I moved it around,
overtwisting the wires. And the wires where riveted onto the scoket, and my
(stock drawer) 600W sockets didn't fit where the old 60W riveted socket was.

THis one (e101956 MN 13061 003 UL g137) doens't seem to have a base weight
(haven't opened it though).

- = -
Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist
http://www.panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
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TOPIC: Sony XR-C5300, car radio -failed tuner block
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/1957e53a2d1f64bd?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 6 2011 5:20 pm
From: "Mark Zacharias"

"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:iijkvl$g3t$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Owner likes the 2 SW bands, other than find a broken one or related model
> also with the same tuner TUX-020 , any ideas?
> Courtesy of some Danish and Polish threads someone found out that the 80
> pin
> Philips tuner IC TEA6842H is likely the same as the one badged Sony
> 8-759-653-23 in this tuner. All DC at the tuner 19 pins agree with Sony
> Schema and rails, Xtal lines etc agree with the TEA... datasheet. There is
> local Xtal osc, serial data and clock line signals on engaging "SEEK" ,
> front display shows changing f but the TEA pin 42 tuning V stays at
> 0.045V.
> Nothing amiss DVMing around the variable cap diode , pushing IC pins if
> loose, and no bad ESR local caps. Whatever occured happened in a garage
> during a cold spell of weather, vehicle rarely used.
>
>

Try bringing in an external tuning voltage. If by varying this voltage you
can get an IF output from the front end (and receive a channel at that
point...) then you know the front end transistors etc are OK and you either
have a bad PLL chip or no oscillator sample going to the PLL chip.

Mark Z.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 7 2011 12:14 am
From: "N_Cook"

Mark Zacharias <mark_zacharias@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:4d4f48ea$0$29669$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com...
> "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:iijkvl$g3t$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> > Owner likes the 2 SW bands, other than find a broken one or related
model
> > also with the same tuner TUX-020 , any ideas?
> > Courtesy of some Danish and Polish threads someone found out that the 80
> > pin
> > Philips tuner IC TEA6842H is likely the same as the one badged Sony
> > 8-759-653-23 in this tuner. All DC at the tuner 19 pins agree with Sony
> > Schema and rails, Xtal lines etc agree with the TEA... datasheet. There
is
> > local Xtal osc, serial data and clock line signals on engaging "SEEK" ,
> > front display shows changing f but the TEA pin 42 tuning V stays at
> > 0.045V.
> > Nothing amiss DVMing around the variable cap diode , pushing IC pins if
> > loose, and no bad ESR local caps. Whatever occured happened in a garage
> > during a cold spell of weather, vehicle rarely used.
> >
> >
>
>
> Try bringing in an external tuning voltage. If by varying this voltage you
> can get an IF output from the front end (and receive a channel at that
> point...) then you know the front end transistors etc are OK and you
either
> have a bad PLL chip or no oscillator sample going to the PLL chip.
>
> Mark Z.
>

I was going to try a 20 turn preset Saturday but got waylaid - a job for
today. Everything checked ,so far, pinning-wise has agreed with the TEA
datasheet and they are available but
a/ no confirmation that the Sony and TEA are the same
b/ desoldering 80 pin .5mm spacing IC is fine , it is the soldering in of
the new one I would be wary of, despite my express removal technique leaves
an alignment "ghost" in the original solder pattern.

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TOPIC: Eco - windmills ... (bit OT)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/a12dc199597830ae?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 6 2011 6:15 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:iim1qu$k62$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> There has been a gradual warming since the Industrial Age.
>>> The apparently "sudden" change is supposedly due to a "tip
>>> over" effect.
>
>> That sounds like a high priest of MMGW's invention to make
>> the facts fit the model ... :-)
>
> You have that backwards -- make the model fit the facts.

No, I said it exactly as intended. I guess the subtlety of that was - well -
just too subtle for you ... It is the *model* that is pushed by the MMGW
high priests as immutable ("we're right, therefore you must be wrong",
remember?), so when the facts do not fit that model, an excuse for the
factual anomaly is invented, and given a fancy name ...

Arfa

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 6 2011 6:20 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:iim1un$m61$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> It's true that scientists are only slightly less irrational
>>> than your average idiot. That doesn't mean they're wrong,
>>> or that it's a bad idea to use less energy or recycle waste.
>
>> You too, appear to miss the point of what I was saying ...
>
> Oh, I got your point... That people accept certain belief systems with a
> near-religious fervor. But that has nothing to do with whether those
> beliefs
> are true or not, or how we should live our lives.
>
>

Well, for the rest of the world aside from you, I would contend that it
really does, which is why the perceived problem of belief in the science
among the general populace, exists in the first place. It is this point that
I believe both you, and the presenter of that programme, missed ...

Arfa

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 6 2011 6:26 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
news:f39sk6d6n3rhtabv5h3pavfusgl7sc1ih5@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:42:53 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
> <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>Wind
>>turbines take a lot of manufacturing, shipping, installing and
>>maintenance,
>>all of which uses very substantial amounts of energy, and the returns from
>>them are very small at best.
>
> Well, when there's no wind, other uses for the device can be found;
> <http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/01/base-jumping-off-wind-turbines-is-insane-video.php>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com

That's a far better use to put them to. I wonder how they get up there in
the first place ?

Arfa

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 6 2011 7:12 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> Well, for the rest of the world aside from you, I would contend
> that it really does, which is why the perceived problem of belief
> in the science among the general populace, exists in the first place.

Up to the point where "science" conflicts with what people would LIKE to
believe -- it gets in the way of their making money.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 6 2011 7:14 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"

>>>> There has been a gradual warming since the Industrial Age.
>>>> The apparently "sudden" change is supposedly due to a "tip
>>>> over" effect.

>>> That sounds like a high priest of MMGW's invention to make
>>> the facts fit the model ... :-)

>> You have that backwards -- make the model fit the facts.

> No, I said it exactly as intended. I guess the subtlety of that was -
well -
> just too subtle for you ... It is the *model* that is pushed by the MMGW
> high priests as immutable ("we're right, therefore you must be wrong",
> remember?), so when the facts do not fit that model, an excuse for the
> factual anomaly is invented, and given a fancy name ...

The "facts" are that there was been a noticeable rise in the Earth's
temperature over the past 20+ years. You can't change this, so you have to
change the model.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 6 2011 8:38 pm
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 02:26:37 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
>> Well, when there's no wind, other uses for the device can be found;
>> <http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/01/base-jumping-off-wind-turbines-is-insane-video.php>

>That's a far better use to put them to. I wonder how they get up there in
>the first place ?
>Arfa

Well, they didn't land there with a paraglider (no wind, no thermals)
or helicopter (turbine blades in the way), so I guess they just broke
into the tower and climbed up the internal ladder. Tour of the
insides:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR_IrBEbi6Q>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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TOPIC: remote control keypad conductivity repair
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/8b03ab352dcfc1b2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 6 2011 7:59 pm
From: Thomas Williams

> Here is the link to a product specifically made for fixing conductive
> keypads.http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/CAIG-LABORATORIES-K-CK44-G-/200...
>
> It works... I've used it.
> --
> David

I tried it ( Caikote 44 ). It worked fine for a couple weeks, then
several of the keys died. Disappointing.

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TOPIC: Want to Earn $400 min Per Week
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/91dbb54bf3d8167c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 6 2011 11:03 pm
From: Ashok Yadav

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