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Today's topics:

* Wotta Waste - Or eco-bollox at its most ignored ... :-) - 7 messages, 4
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/a7a46f9b012ddcb0?hl=en
* Samsung TV repair question. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/ef9b7679393102e3?hl=en
* Radar detector/scrambler - 8 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/646f5661b2cfc1b7?hl=en
* 30 GB Video Ipod (was: Re: Computer runs faster because it is soldered..
haha.. - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/a74e97b5f167a0e6?hl=en
* Christopher White: ARMED AND DANGEROUS - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/472d2f3e40a364d8?hl=en
* Tandberg 3001 tuner - broken gear - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/41676e8b42f2ec52?hl=en

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TOPIC: Wotta Waste - Or eco-bollox at its most ignored ... :-)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/a7a46f9b012ddcb0?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 14 2011 6:25 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
news:ebpil61824r018ihatu2p8282cr0mkqiai@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:04:18 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
> <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>I asked him why not, and he said that it
>>wouldn't be worth his while, because if he fitted a repaired board to a
>>customer's boiler, and it went wrong again a couple of weeks later, he
>>would
>>be left out of pocket on the return call, and with a disgruntled customer
>>who probably wouldn't use him or recommend him again.
>
> It's worse than that. I know several manufacturers that go through
> considerable effort to make sure their boards are destroyed and NOT
> recycled. The problem is that they lose control of the boards during
> the recycling process and that recyclers are the major source of
> "repairable" boards. These boards are fished out of the recyling
> bins, repaired (or not repaired) and placed back on the market through
> various means. When one of these boards fail, the customer goes after
> the manufacturer and not the repair person. The manufacturer usually
> has to honor the warranty in order to salvage their reputation. The
> quantities involved are minor, but the irritations and support load is
> sufficiently irritating to inspire manufacturers to destroy or crush
> their boards before recycling. Add to that the counterfeit
> electronics problem, and little wonder the manufacturers want to
> retain a strangle-hold on the product from cradle to grave.
>
> Oddly, some vendors require a "core deposit" which is common in the
> automobile parts busines, before they will sell a replacement board.
> In the US, repair shops are required to "offer" the old parts to the
> customer, which usually means loss of any core deposit. It's fairly
> obvious that the core charge is solely to make sure the customer does
> not retain the bad board, and later decide to have it repaired.
>
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com

The situation over here is not quite the same, but there are similarities.
But all of that just underlines the point that no matter what would be truly
beneficial to the green movement - and simple repair with a twopenny
resistor has got to qualify - it really isn't about that, at all. Which is
actually just as most of us in the repair game already know ...

Arfa

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 2:52 am
From: "Dave Plowman (News)"

In article <7oc6p.18035$Xf4.15612@newsfe13.ams2>,
Arfa Daily <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> A couple of weeks back, I had a problem with my central heating boiler,
> so I called in an acquaintance who is a heating engineer. Whilst he was
> working on my problem, I asked him if he replaced many boiler control
> boards in the course of his daily work. I was thinking that modern ones
> probably suffer a lot of bad (lead-free) joints from relay hammer and
> general vibration from pumps and fans and things, and that there might
> be some fairly easy money to be made by us both. He said that he
> replaces loads, so I asked him what he did with the bad ones. "Throw 'em
> away" he replied. Better and better, I thought, so I asked him if he
> would be interested in getting them repaired. This was met with a firm
> "No". I asked him why not, and he said that it wouldn't be worth his
> while, because if he fitted a repaired board to a customer's boiler, and
> it went wrong again a couple of weeks later, he would be left out of
> pocket on the return call, and with a disgruntled customer who probably
> wouldn't use him or recommend him again.

As you probably know from <uk.d-i-y> there is a contributor there who owns
a firm which offers exchange re-manufactured boiler PCBs and fans etc.

http://www.cetltd.com/

As I remember things, he says many of these are of poor quality in both
design and manufacture, but he is restricted by 'law' to simply repairing
them rather than modifying/improving.

Your pal seems to have an odd attitude - replacing something which has
failed prematurely by one from the same maker is the best option? ;-)

--
*Ah, I see the f**k-up fairy has visited us again

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 4:08 am
From: Jeffrey Angus

On 2/15/2011 4:52 AM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> Your pal seems to have an odd attitude - replacing something
> which has failed prematurely by one from the same maker is
> the best option?;-)

In a word, lawyers.

Also, if the replacement fails, it's the manufacturers fault,
not his.

Having a solid (and well heeled) "somebody else" to blame is
a major factor when dealing with lawyers.

Jeff

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 6:55 am
From: Chuck

On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:04:18 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>Canton domestic sub. Bit of an oddball fault to do with the auto power-on
>circuitry. Probably something simple like a surface mount R around an opamp.
>Nothing obvious leapt out at me in a sensible time, so request put in for
>some service info.
>
>"Nope. Not available. These units repaired by swap-out of the amplifier
>board" came back the reply. So the shop ordered one in - presumably after
>clearing the cost with the poor old owner ...
>
>Today, it arrived. When they said a 'replacement board', what they actually
>meant was a replacement everything, bar the actual driver and its cabinet !
>So that's the black satin plated back panel, every connector, the preamp /
>control board, the power supply / power amp board, even the heavy duty
>torroidal power transformer. All I had to do was connect the driver (that
>actually involved a soldering iron !!) and screw the plate to the cabinet.
>Nonsense, or what ?
>
>A couple of weeks back, I had a problem with my central heating boiler, so I
>called in an acquaintance who is a heating engineer. Whilst he was working
>on my problem, I asked him if he replaced many boiler control boards in the
>course of his daily work. I was thinking that modern ones probably suffer a
>lot of bad (lead-free) joints from relay hammer and general vibration from
>pumps and fans and things, and that there might be some fairly easy money to
>be made by us both. He said that he replaces loads, so I asked him what he
>did with the bad ones. "Throw 'em away" he replied. Better and better, I
>thought, so I asked him if he would be interested in getting them repaired.
>This was met with a firm "No". I asked him why not, and he said that it
>wouldn't be worth his while, because if he fitted a repaired board to a
>customer's boiler, and it went wrong again a couple of weeks later, he would
>be left out of pocket on the return call, and with a disgruntled customer
>who probably wouldn't use him or recommend him again.
>
>No amount of discussion about quality diagnosis and repair and warranty,
>would sway him from his position on the matter.
>
>So there we have it. Despite being forced to accept eco-bollox light bulbs,
>and windmills all over the countryside, and everything else that has grown
>up around the green movement, a significant proportion of any planet saving
>that may result from this, is being chucked away by the repair attitudes of
>everyone from manufacturers, right down to one-man-band service
>organisations. Until such attitudes are revised, what's the point in
>bothering ? Considering the amount of electronic consumer goods that are
>scrapped from lack of service info and parts, I'm sure that government could
>have a much more significant impact on the electronics recycling situation,
>by legislating on making parts and service assistance available. But then,
>it's not really about saving the planet, is it ... ?
>
>Arfa

In the states, I just looked at a defective Hsu subwoofer for a
friend. The switched power supply was dead. Electrolytic caps, fets,
and the start resistors were all ok so we requested a schematic. They
wouldn't sell us a schematic or parts. Our choices were to send in
the whole amp assembly for a $160.00 repair or a complete amp assembly
swap for $200.00. Just love today's companies customer service
policies. Thirty years ago even junk brands like Lloyds, Yorx, and
Electrophonic provided parts in a timely manner. Is there anybody out
there making a decent living doing repair on modern consumer audio
equipment?

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 4:06 pm
From: "Dave Plowman (News)"

In article <4d5a6cc6$0$4282$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
Jeffrey Angus <jangus@suddenlink.net> wrote:
> > Your pal seems to have an odd attitude - replacing something
> > which has failed prematurely by one from the same maker is
> > the best option?;-)

> In a word, lawyers.

Not in the UK.

> Also, if the replacement fails, it's the manufacturers fault,
> not his.

The manufacturer's liability would be restricted to simply supplying the
replacement part. He would have to 'pay' for his own labour himself. So
really no different from supplying a different make replacement.

> Having a solid (and well heeled) "somebody else" to blame is
> a major factor when dealing with lawyers.

Luckily we don't go down that route in the UK for the likes of this sort
of thing.

--
*Avoid clichés like the plague. (They're old hat.) *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 5:35 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:51a5e4ee23dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <7oc6p.18035$Xf4.15612@newsfe13.ams2>,
> Arfa Daily <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> A couple of weeks back, I had a problem with my central heating boiler,
>> so I called in an acquaintance who is a heating engineer. Whilst he was
>> working on my problem, I asked him if he replaced many boiler control
>> boards in the course of his daily work. I was thinking that modern ones
>> probably suffer a lot of bad (lead-free) joints from relay hammer and
>> general vibration from pumps and fans and things, and that there might
>> be some fairly easy money to be made by us both. He said that he
>> replaces loads, so I asked him what he did with the bad ones. "Throw 'em
>> away" he replied. Better and better, I thought, so I asked him if he
>> would be interested in getting them repaired. This was met with a firm
>> "No". I asked him why not, and he said that it wouldn't be worth his
>> while, because if he fitted a repaired board to a customer's boiler, and
>> it went wrong again a couple of weeks later, he would be left out of
>> pocket on the return call, and with a disgruntled customer who probably
>> wouldn't use him or recommend him again.
>
> As you probably know from <uk.d-i-y> there is a contributor there who owns
> a firm which offers exchange re-manufactured boiler PCBs and fans etc.
>
> http://www.cetltd.com/
>
> As I remember things, he says many of these are of poor quality in both
> design and manufacture, but he is restricted by 'law' to simply repairing
> them rather than modifying/improving.
>
> Your pal seems to have an odd attitude - replacing something which has
> failed prematurely by one from the same maker is the best option? ;-)
>
> --
> *Ah, I see the f**k-up fairy has visited us again
>
> Dave Plowman

Yes, I am aware of him, which is part of the reason that I thought my guy
might be interested. Part of his problem was that he felt that his customers
preferred to see a brand spanking new board come out of a box, with a shiny
new manufacturer's warranty. That way, if it too should fail, he was able to
blame the problem on the maker, and get yet another brand new one out of
them for nothing.

Arfa

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 5:46 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Chuck" <ch@deja.net> wrote in message
news:r91ll6lk9lt0ngsefopdtsg9ianqhu2g9e@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:04:18 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
> <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>Canton domestic sub. Bit of an oddball fault to do with the auto power-on
>>circuitry. Probably something simple like a surface mount R around an
>>opamp.
>>Nothing obvious leapt out at me in a sensible time, so request put in for
>>some service info.
>>
>>"Nope. Not available. These units repaired by swap-out of the amplifier
>>board" came back the reply. So the shop ordered one in - presumably after
>>clearing the cost with the poor old owner ...
>>
>>Today, it arrived. When they said a 'replacement board', what they
>>actually
>>meant was a replacement everything, bar the actual driver and its cabinet
>>!
>>So that's the black satin plated back panel, every connector, the preamp /
>>control board, the power supply / power amp board, even the heavy duty
>>torroidal power transformer. All I had to do was connect the driver (that
>>actually involved a soldering iron !!) and screw the plate to the cabinet.
>>Nonsense, or what ?
>>
>>A couple of weeks back, I had a problem with my central heating boiler, so
>>I
>>called in an acquaintance who is a heating engineer. Whilst he was working
>>on my problem, I asked him if he replaced many boiler control boards in
>>the
>>course of his daily work. I was thinking that modern ones probably suffer
>>a
>>lot of bad (lead-free) joints from relay hammer and general vibration from
>>pumps and fans and things, and that there might be some fairly easy money
>>to
>>be made by us both. He said that he replaces loads, so I asked him what he
>>did with the bad ones. "Throw 'em away" he replied. Better and better, I
>>thought, so I asked him if he would be interested in getting them
>>repaired.
>>This was met with a firm "No". I asked him why not, and he said that it
>>wouldn't be worth his while, because if he fitted a repaired board to a
>>customer's boiler, and it went wrong again a couple of weeks later, he
>>would
>>be left out of pocket on the return call, and with a disgruntled customer
>>who probably wouldn't use him or recommend him again.
>>
>>No amount of discussion about quality diagnosis and repair and warranty,
>>would sway him from his position on the matter.
>>
>>So there we have it. Despite being forced to accept eco-bollox light
>>bulbs,
>>and windmills all over the countryside, and everything else that has grown
>>up around the green movement, a significant proportion of any planet
>>saving
>>that may result from this, is being chucked away by the repair attitudes
>>of
>>everyone from manufacturers, right down to one-man-band service
>>organisations. Until such attitudes are revised, what's the point in
>>bothering ? Considering the amount of electronic consumer goods that are
>>scrapped from lack of service info and parts, I'm sure that government
>>could
>>have a much more significant impact on the electronics recycling
>>situation,
>>by legislating on making parts and service assistance available. But then,
>>it's not really about saving the planet, is it ... ?
>>
>>Arfa
>
>
> In the states, I just looked at a defective Hsu subwoofer for a
> friend. The switched power supply was dead. Electrolytic caps, fets,
> and the start resistors were all ok so we requested a schematic. They
> wouldn't sell us a schematic or parts. Our choices were to send in
> the whole amp assembly for a $160.00 repair or a complete amp assembly
> swap for $200.00. Just love today's companies customer service
> policies. Thirty years ago even junk brands like Lloyds, Yorx, and
> Electrophonic provided parts in a timely manner. Is there anybody out
> there making a decent living doing repair on modern consumer audio
> equipment?

Well, I make a fair living doing it as a trade only service. Thirty years
ago, every independent retailer had a little workshop out the back of his
store, and employed an engineer or two. These days, the ones that are left
can't afford such luxuries, so rely on the likes of me to handle their
service work for them. It's hard sometimes, and parts and schematics are an
ever-present problem, but on the whole, most of us on here and in other
groups help each other out in this regard, and get by. My activities are
helped by keeping the work as diverse as possible, for instance by repairing
P.A. equipment, and in particular tube amplifiers, where there's not a lot
of skills around any more. I have also got into fancy DMX controlled pro
lighting, where again, there doesn't seem to be too much 'proper' repair
expertise. I also do some commercial drinks machine control board repairs.
All adds up.

So yes, there is a living to be made still, but it gets a little harder
every year, I think ... d :-\

Arfa

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TOPIC: Samsung TV repair question.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/ef9b7679393102e3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 2:22 am
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8ru2nfFbe0U1@mid.individual.net...
> On 15/02/2011 9:23 AM, Franc Zabkar wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:47:27 -0800 (PST), Beezle Bub
>> <and-real3@live.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>>
>>> I have an analog Samsung TV which I bought in 1998. It is around 32
>>> inches. The problem is the image keeps getting 'squeezed'--the sides
>>> cave in and the image takes on the shape of an hourglass. In the past,
>>> I would have this problem for like 10 minutes but the image would
>>> eventually correct itself. Nowadays, the problem remains as it is.
>>> Anything can be done about this?
>>>
>>> Model # is TXJ2766.
>>
>> Service manual for TXJ2766 and TXJ2754:
>> http://elektrotanya.com/samsung_txj2754_txj2766.pdf/download.html
>>
>> Check the East-West / Horizontal Pincushion correction circuit.
>>
>> - Franc Zabkar
>
> And since the problem used to resolve itself in 10 minutes, presumably as
> the components warmed up, dud capacitors would be a good thing to look
> for.
>
> Sylvia.

Or bad joints on the EW modulation diode, if that chassis uses that type of
geometry correction circuitry. Needs looking at quite quickly though,
because if it is a bad joint, the currents involved in the modulator
circuit, can cause quite serious burn-up damage to the PCB

Arfa

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TOPIC: Radar detector/scrambler
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/646f5661b2cfc1b7?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 8:32 am
From: "captainvideo462002@yahoo.com"

This type of product is advertised almost everywhere that it helps you
avoid tickets etc. I imagine that it must transmit a signal on the
same freq. as the radar gun at the moment it receives the police
transmission. Even at low power can this still meet part 15 of the FCC
rules or any part for that matter? I happen to drive slowly but
millions of people don't. Can someone please tell me how it works? How
can something like this product which for all intents and purposes
"interferes with police business" be legal? Just wondering. Lenny

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 8:49 am
From: Jeffrey Angus

On 2/15/2011 10:32 AM, captainvideo462002@yahoo.com wrote:
> How can something like this product which for all intents
> and purposes "interferes with police business" be legal?

Like anything else, it's legal until they decide to prosecute.

And the police have been coming up with more and more creative
ways of prosecuting.

For example, making a video or audio recording of a police
officer is now construed as illegal wiretapping and they will
do their best to put you in prison for it.

As in all aspects of life, the best course is to consider, "Is
somebody going to find someway to throw me in prison for this?"

If the answer is even remotely a "yes", then don't do it.

Jeff

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 11:15 am
From: Mysterious Traveler

On 02/15/2011 10:49 AM, Jeffrey Angus wrote:
> On 2/15/2011 10:32 AM, captainvideo462002@yahoo.com wrote:
>> How can something like this product which for all intents
>> and purposes "interferes with police business" be legal?
>
> Like anything else, it's legal until they decide to prosecute.
>
> And the police have been coming up with more and more creative
> ways of prosecuting.
>
> For example, making a video or audio recording of a police
> officer is now construed as illegal wiretapping and they will
> do their best to put you in prison for it.
No kidding? So if I use my digital recorder to record a police
officer giving me a ticket and he says something illegal the
recorder catches, I could go to jail for recording it? I would
think the recorder would be considered a personal security device
and I could record anything I wanted as long as I was there. I
record a lot of conversations without people knowing, and the
cops usually record traffic stops. I haven't been stopped in
over twenty years but all the cops in a nearby town a as crooked
as they can be, everyone knows they control most of the crime in
our area.

>
> As in all aspects of life, the best course is to consider, "Is
> somebody going to find someway to throw me in prison for this?"
>
> If the answer is even remotely a "yes", then don't do it.
>
> Jeff
>
>

--
Is Obama an Internet Junkie? Why does he think it is the US governments
mission to spend $18,000,000,000.00 billion dollars to get high speed
Internet to all Americans? Shouldn't private companies do that? A better
use of that money would be to build Waste Incinerators that cleanly burn
trash and generate electricity for every city in the US. There are
already 140 in the US, lets build more, and stop dumping trash in the
oceans.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 12:45 pm
From: Jerry Peters

Mysterious Traveler <mysterious.traveler@dot.net> wrote:
> On 02/15/2011 10:49 AM, Jeffrey Angus wrote:
>> On 2/15/2011 10:32 AM, captainvideo462002@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> How can something like this product which for all intents
>>> and purposes "interferes with police business" be legal?
>>
>> Like anything else, it's legal until they decide to prosecute.
>>
>> And the police have been coming up with more and more creative
>> ways of prosecuting.
>>
>> For example, making a video or audio recording of a police
>> officer is now construed as illegal wiretapping and they will
>> do their best to put you in prison for it.
> No kidding? So if I use my digital recorder to record a police
> officer giving me a ticket and he says something illegal the
> recorder catches, I could go to jail for recording it? I would
> think the recorder would be considered a personal security device
> and I could record anything I wanted as long as I was there. I
> record a lot of conversations without people knowing, and the
> cops usually record traffic stops. I haven't been stopped in
> over twenty years but all the cops in a nearby town a as crooked
> as they can be, everyone knows they control most of the crime in
> our area.

In Pennsylvania it's illegal to record someone without his permission
without a court order. AFAIK even police cars with video recording
equipment don't record the audio.

Jerry

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 1:55 pm
From: Jeffrey Angus

On 2/15/2011 1:15 PM, Mysterious Traveler wrote:
> No kidding? So if I use my digital recorder to record a police
> officer giving me a ticket and he says something illegal the
> recorder catches, I could go to jail for recording it?

Think what you might about the legality of it, but the people
with the guns make the rules.

<http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/01/can_police_arrest_you_for_vide.php>

Jeff

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 2:37 pm
From: Fred

"captainvideo462002@yahoo.com" <captainvideo462002@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:cd0e1462-e201-43ea-96d8-a78f46037b4c@a11g2000pro.googlegroups.com:

> This type of product is advertised almost everywhere that it helps you
> avoid tickets etc. I imagine that it must transmit a signal on the
> same freq. as the radar gun at the moment it receives the police
> transmission. Even at low power can this still meet part 15 of the FCC
> rules or any part for that matter? I happen to drive slowly but
> millions of people don't. Can someone please tell me how it works? How
> can something like this product which for all intents and purposes
> "interferes with police business" be legal? Just wondering. Lenny
>

Doesn't matter. The cops use lasers, not radar, now.

waste of money

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 3:20 pm
From: Mysterious Traveler

On 02/15/2011 03:55 PM, Jeffrey Angus wrote:
> On 2/15/2011 1:15 PM, Mysterious Traveler wrote:
>> No kidding? So if I use my digital recorder to record a police
>> officer giving me a ticket and he says something illegal the
>> recorder catches, I could go to jail for recording it?
>
>
> Think what you might about the legality of it, but the people
> with the guns make the rules.
>
> <http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/01/can_police_arrest_you_for_vide.php>
>
>
> Jeff
>
I can see that the situation of those people videotaping the police
could be construed as disturbing the peace, but if they hadn't made
a big scene of it, and if the police weren't doing anything illegal,
the police shouldn't be afraid to be filmed. Video can help keep
cops honest. With all the cell phones that can take video, there
should be a law allowing anyone to take video of anything that happens
in front of them, including audio recording anything. Anything else
would be a violation of our civil rights, otherwise cities with CCTV
cameras, where video of citizens committing crimes are used against
them, that video should be excluded. The law should be fair for
everyone or fair for no one. I've often thought cops should have to
wear a video camera that also records audio, for their entire shift,
then downloaded and saved when the shift is over. Thats just how I
feel and I'm by no means a liberal.

--
Is Obama an Internet Junkie? Why does he think it is the US governments
mission to spend $18,000,000,000.00 billion dollars to get high speed
Internet to all Americans? Shouldn't private companies do that? A better
use of that money would be to build Waste Incinerators that cleanly burn
trash and generate electricity for every city in the US. There are
already 140 in the US, lets build more, and stop dumping trash in the
oceans.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 3:40 pm
From: Jeffrey Angus

On 2/15/2011 5:20 PM, Mysterious Traveler wrote:
> Video can help keep cops honest.

And there in lies the rub.

Every time something is proposed to make them do their
job correctly and legally, they throw their hands up, "But
we can't do our job!" and the assorted unions step in to
block it as well.

The "management" gets involved and finds new creative ways
to distort laws to their own purposes to "protect their own."

Jeff

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TOPIC: 30 GB Video Ipod (was: Re: Computer runs faster because it is soldered..
haha..
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/a74e97b5f167a0e6?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 10:32 am
From: Meat Plow

On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:02:36 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:29:17 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Hey how do I get my 30 GB Video Ipod apart?
>
> <http://www.ifixit.com/Browse/iPod>
>
> I'm not sure which model you have. How to identify your model:
> <http://www.ifixit.com/info/ID-your-iPod>
>
>>It has a .5mm streak going
>>from right to left in the middle of the screen but stops just short of
>>the left side. But it is in the backlighting because the streak does not
>>appear in bright light. So it doesn't seem to be the LCD just the
>>lighting. Does this sound right?
>
> No. Backlighting failures usually affect the entire screen, or large
> areas of the screen, not single horizontal lines. That's the LCD. It's
> too difficult to see the line with a reflected light. My guess is
> either a blown LCD display, or a bad connection. It might also be
> mechanical damage (broken glass) of some sort as I've never seen a line
> go only partially across the display.

Sorry, the streak is not there when viewing by reflected light. Only with
back light. And the glass is not broken nor has it been dropped
or bumped or abused.

>> don't want to mess with trying to pry
>>it apart and bend it all up but I would like to see if there is
>>something that can be done first without buying a replacement panel.
>
> Burnt offerings, human sacrifice, secret incantations, and exhortations
> to various deities has worked for the last few thousand years. Threats
> of violence has ocassionally convinved various devices to cooperate and
> repair themselves. I don't recall if the ISO has standardized any of
> these methods yet, so some experimentation on your part might be needed.
> If you do succeed by any of these methods, I would be very interested.

Well I'm on my own.

--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 10:54 am
From: Meat Plow

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:17:39 +0000, Arfa Daily wrote:

> "Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2011.02.14.18.28.30@lmao.lol.lol...
>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 01:44:27 +0000, Arfa Daily wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>Just last week, I bought a replacement LCD assembly for a Classic,
>>>>>and it was £10.20 (say $15) including tax and delivery. I got it from
>>>>>my usual supplier here in the UK, and it looked as though it was a
>>>>>factory-original part.
>>>>
>>>> Good price. It probably came directly from China from the same
>>>> factory that supplies the displays to Apple. I get quite a few parts
>>>> that way through Hong Kong. However, there are some parts which are
>>>> simply unobtainable new and/or at reasonable prices. Cosmetic parts,
>>>> custom chips, and wear parts (i.e. power jacks, controls, keyboards,
>>>> touchpads, hinges, rubber feet, etc) tend to be difficult to find.
>>>> Most of these I buy from eBay vendors that cannibalize machines and
>>>> sell the parts. Without used parts, many of the repairs that I'm
>>>> doing would be either uneconomical or impossible. I could not build
>>>> the business on purchasing new parts from the original manufacturer.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
>>>
>>>
>>> The company I use is
>>>
>>> http://www.parts4ipods.com
>>>
>>> Not much use to you as a leftpondian, but as you can see, they do a
>>> lot of Apple parts, including some cosmetics and touch screens.
>>>
>>> Arfa
>>
>>
>> Hey how do I get my 30 GB Video Ipod apart? It has a .5mm streak going
>> from right to left in the middle of the screen but stops just short of
>> the left side. But it is in the backlighting because the streak does
>> not appear in bright light. So it doesn't seem to be the LCD just the
>> lighting. Does this sound right? I don't want to mess with trying to
>> pry it apart and bend it all up but I would like to see if there is
>> something that can be done first without buying a replacement panel.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse
>
> I agree with Jeff. The problem is most likely the display itself or a
> connection to it. They come apart quite easily, once you have got one
> side started. there are lots of videos on You Tube. The English on this
> one is crap, but the actual video shows it all quite well, except that
> they don't show any screws down the sides once you have the case off.
> There have been tiny screws in all the ones I've seen, but they are
> obvious.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYE9VF-9-kw&feature=related
>
> Trickiest bit I've found is when you come to put it back together, and
> you have to get the centre button in the control ring to stay correctly
> in place, as you try to get the ring to locate in the case front. Not
> ultimately hard exactly, just fiddly, and a bit frustrating the first
> ten times that it falls back out ... :-)
>
> Arfa

How is it backlit? is it ccfl ? I don't understand when viewed in bright
light after the backlight turns off the streak goes away. I can take a
pic of it and put it on photobucket:

This is with backlight:
<http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj220/meatplow1/Electronics/cimg0047.jpg>

This is with reflected light only:
<http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj220/meatplow1/Electronics/cimg0046.jpg>

As you can easily see the reflected light picture shows no anomaly on the screen.
It's not just a case of the anomaly being too hard to see with reflected light.

--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 5:55 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

>> Arfa
>
> How is it backlit? is it ccfl ? I don't understand when viewed in bright
> light after the backlight turns off the streak goes away. I can take a
> pic of it and put it on photobucket:
>
> This is with backlight:
> <http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj220/meatplow1/Electronics/cimg0047.jpg>
>
> This is with reflected light only:
> <http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj220/meatplow1/Electronics/cimg0046.jpg>
>
> As you can easily see the reflected light picture shows no anomaly on the
> screen.
> It's not just a case of the anomaly being too hard to see with reflected
> light.
>
>
>
>
Hmmm. As you say, the display error does not appear to be there in the
second picture, and I'm not sure just what to make of that. As to how the
things are backlit, to be honest, I'm not sure. I don't think that it's a
ccfl, so possibly LED, but I don't recall the display assembly being thick
enough to accommodate sufficiently powerful LEDs. Unless someone else knows,
I'll see if I can dig the one I replaced a couple of weeks ago, back out of
the workshop bin (un-emptied, and overflowing, as always !!) and see if I
can see what lights it

Arfa

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TOPIC: Christopher White: ARMED AND DANGEROUS
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/472d2f3e40a364d8?hl=en
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TOPIC: Tandberg 3001 tuner - broken gear
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/41676e8b42f2ec52?hl=en
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Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 3:00 pm
From: "Colin Horsley"

"Tim Schwartz" <tim@bristolnj.com> wrote in message
news:ijc5vj$38r$1@news.eternal-september.org...
: Hello all,
:
: I've got a Tandberg 3001 here where the small plastic gear that drives
: the tuning pot (opposite end of the shaft from the tuning drum that the
: dial cord wraps around) has cracked. If Tandberg were still around, I'd
: just order the assembly. In this case I either have to have the part
: machined or find a 'basket case' to pull the part from.
:
: The service manual that I have does not include the parts list, so I
: can't tell you the Tandberg part number. I'd guess that the 3011 tuner
: uses the same part.
:
: Anyone have a parts unit?
:
: Regards,
: Tim Schwartz
: Bristol Electronics
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Look Here:-
http://www.sdp-si.com/web/html/products.htm
I got some gears from them to repair my HP 8640B Sig Gen.

Colin @ CATronics

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