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TOPIC: EARN CASH 2000 DOLLARS PER DAY FROM FOREX TRADING
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/5fd3c798e05a872f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 12:48 am
From: devi vithya

http://usaforextradingonline.blogspot.com

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TOPIC: Eco - windmills ... (bit OT)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/a12dc199597830ae?hl=en
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 5:29 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> I'm not buying the idea that humans can have an effect
> on global climate. (aside from a major nuclear war...)

Small changes over a long period of time can have a big effect.

> then I REALLY get creeped out when people start talking
> about lowering the world population. For that, They Go First;
> they can set us an example, show us how truly caring they
> are about it.

Fact: There are too many people. If population continues to grow unchecked,
"something" will eventually happen to reduce it -- global war, starvation,
economic collapse, perhaps things we haven't anticipated. THE EARTH DOES NOT
HAVE AN UNLIMITED CARRYING CAPACITY. We can choose to do something rational
about it -- or ignore it.

One way to have fewer people is to give birth to fewer people. This is
generally happening in developed countries -- which is fortunate, because
people with high standards of living tend to use too much energy and consume
too many natural resources.

Something needs to be done about developing countries. You've seen the ads
asking you to send money to help starving children who have only feces-laden
water to drink. I'm certain most of the agencies trying to help the poor are
sincere and doing the best job they can.

These ads are about "death control" -- keeping people healthy and alive,
when they otherwise might have died. But you never see anything about "birth
control". If poor people want medical assistance, they should have to pay
for it -- by practicing birth control. If they refuse to, then they don't
get help -- and they and their children die. You can consciously practice
birth control with contraception -- or you can let nature do it, with
disease and death. Make your choice.

The thing that makes human beings distinct from other animals is that we can
drastically manipulate our environment to provide enough nutrition to
produce a seemingly unlimited number of additional people -- which is
largely what we've done since the invention of agriculture and animal
husbandry. * We KNOW we will eventually reach the point where there will be
too many people to feed. At some point, human beings -- in all countries, at
all economic levels -- need to be FORCED to have fewer children. Enough
fewer, so that global population begins to decline.

You don't want me to take away people's freedom to destroy themselves? Fine.
On a certain level, I really don't care. The world doesn't need "the damned
human race".

* Aboriginal Americans are a good example of people who /did not/ live this
way.

== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 5:40 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
news:ljfpk619pdh7ikkd4jdfuhrne50o93hf9v@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:45:42 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
> <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

>> It doesn't matter whether or
>> not the rise in CO2 is the cause of warming.

> Sure it does. No problem can be solved without first finding at least
> one culprit to blame. Once the causes/culprits/conspirators/etc are
> identified, we can then move forward towards a solution.
> Unfortunately, most of the energy "solutions" offered are variations
> on either austerity programs, genocide, redistribution of wealth, or
> indirect self-enrichment.

I hope that's a joke.

You expect "the market" -- which is driven more by profit than altruism --
to provide a useful solution?

Where do you come off claiming most of the solutions involve "austerity
programs, genocide, [or] redistribution of wealth". (I'm not sure what you
mean by "indirect self-enrichment". Dale Gribble selling carbon offsets?)
How does the gradual replacement of carbon-producing energy sources with
carbon-neutral or low-carbon sources induce "austerity" or "genocide"?

> Nobody has an easy answer to the energy problem that will scale well
> and satisfy everyone's requirements. That means that the status quo
> will remain until the day we run out of oil.

Which is what the oil companies want. Why should we give into them, when
there /are/ solutions?

> We've also been here before. During the 17th century, England had an
> energy crisis of sorts when it ran out of wood, which was needed for
> ship construction and heating. That's when the 14th century ban on
> coal burning was magically lifted and England switched to coal.
>
<http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/offbeat-news/environmentalism-in-1306/
725>
> I suspect something similar will happen with nuclear power. When the
> demand appears, the "problems" with nuclear will magically disappear.

They apparently already have. See...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor

Of course, very little is being done about it.

== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 5:49 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> But I think that he was missing the point completely. He failed to
> understand that it has become a religion, with its own mantras, and its
high
> priests are in fact very vocal at every opportunity, appearing on TV,
radio
> and in newspapers just about every day. They have this attitude of 'we're
> right so you must be wrong', which is forced down the public's throat
> continuously, through the media, and all this legislation which is
depriving
> us of 'comfort' items like incandescent light bulbs, and stopping our
waste
> bins from being emptied every week, and stopping the local tips from
taking
> any rubbish that they don't consider to be recyclable and so on. I think
> what we are actually starting to see is a backlash from the public at
having
> their lives interfered with continuously, and they see this as a result of
> the preachings of the scientists.

But what does that have to do with whether the scientists are right? Science
is not "supposed" to be about what people -- especially the public --
thinks, or would like to think.

It's true that scientists are only slightly less irrational than your
average idiot. That doesn't mean they're wrong, or that it's a bad idea to
use less energy or recycle waste.

> Alternative power is fine, as long as it is worth the effort and energy
> budget used to produce it. The figures for wind power - at least in this
> part of the world - don't bear out the claims which are made for it. Wind
> turbines take a lot of manufacturing, shipping, installing and
maintenance,
> all of which uses very substantial amounts of energy, and the returns from
> them are very small at best. Make no mistake, the erection of windfarms is
> about corporate business, as is an awful lot of green technology. Problem
is
> that it's gone so far now, that even if it was all proved to be wrong
> tomorrow, we wouldn't be able to stop without causing a world-wide
financial
> meltdown in the multi-billion dollar industry sector that has grown up
> around this dubious 'science' ...

Do you have any hard data on the payback time for wind power that account
for "everything"?

== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 5:51 am
From: "Arfa Daily"

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:iijjcj$6fs$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> I'm not buying the idea that humans can have an effect
>> on global climate. (aside from a major nuclear war...)
>
> Small changes over a long period of time can have a big effect.

Maybe, but the climate change scientists would have us believe that we are
causing all this in but a few years ...

>
>
>> then I REALLY get creeped out when people start talking
>> about lowering the world population. For that, They Go First;
>> they can set us an example, show us how truly caring they
>> are about it.
>
> Fact: There are too many people. If population continues to grow
> unchecked,
> "something" will eventually happen to reduce it -- global war, starvation,
> economic collapse, perhaps things we haven't anticipated. THE EARTH DOES
> NOT
> HAVE AN UNLIMITED CARRYING CAPACITY. We can choose to do something
> rational
> about it -- or ignore it.
>

<snip>

> At some point, human beings -- in all countries, at
> all economic levels -- need to be FORCED to have fewer children. Enough
> fewer, so that global population begins to decline.

Well, I seem to recall that the Chinese have a birth restriction policy in
place, and it has been a disaster in terms of unwanted and abandoned
daughters, because the don't fulfill the cultural need for sons ...

Arfa

== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 6:38 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

>> Small changes over a long period of time can have a big effect.

> Maybe, but the climate change scientists would have us believe
> that we are causing all this in but a few years ...

There has been a gradual warming since the Industrial Age. The apparently
"sudden" change is supposedly due to a "tip over" effect.

>> At some point, human beings -- in all countries, at all
>> economic levels -- need to be FORCED to have fewer children.
>> Enough fewer, so that global population begins to decline.

> Well, I seem to recall that the Chinese have a birth restriction policy in
> place, and it has been a disaster in terms of unwanted and abandoned
> daughters, because the don't fulfill the cultural need for sons ...

It's certainly true that insistance on one child per family -- which, if
nothing else, is a psychologically bad idea -- didn't have much effect on
population growth.

== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 9:31 am
From: Jim Yanik

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in
news:iijjcj$6fs$1@news.eternal-september.org:

>> I'm not buying the idea that humans can have an effect
>> on global climate. (aside from a major nuclear war...)
>
> Small changes over a long period of time can have a big effect.
>
>
>> then I REALLY get creeped out when people start talking
>> about lowering the world population. For that, They Go First;
>> they can set us an example, show us how truly caring they
>> are about it.
>
> Fact: There are too many people. If population continues to grow
> unchecked, "something" will eventually happen to reduce it -- global
> war, starvation, economic collapse, perhaps things we haven't
> anticipated. THE EARTH DOES NOT HAVE AN UNLIMITED CARRYING CAPACITY.
> We can choose to do something rational about it -- or ignore it.

our "carrying capacity" would be better if many countries didn't have bad
governments and waste their nation's wealth and resources.

>
> One way to have fewer people is to give birth to fewer people. This is
> generally happening in developed countries -- which is fortunate,
> because people with high standards of living tend to use too much
> energy and consume too many natural resources.

So what? those people also PRODUCE more.
If you want to lower YOUR standard of living,go right ahead.
Don't expect me to lower mine over your ridiculous assumptions.
>
> Something needs to be done about developing countries. You've seen the
> ads asking you to send money to help starving children who have only
> feces-laden water to drink. I'm certain most of the agencies trying to
> help the poor are sincere and doing the best job they can.
>
> These ads are about "death control" -- keeping people healthy and
> alive, when they otherwise might have died. But you never see anything
> about "birth control". If poor people want medical assistance, they
> should have to pay for it -- by practicing birth control. If they
> refuse to, then they don't get help -- and they and their children
> die. You can consciously practice birth control with contraception --
> or you can let nature do it, with disease and death. Make your choice.
>
> The thing that makes human beings distinct from other animals is that
> we can drastically manipulate our environment to provide enough
> nutrition to produce a seemingly unlimited number of additional people
> -- which is largely what we've done since the invention of agriculture
> and animal husbandry. * We KNOW we will eventually reach the point
> where there will be too many people to feed. At some point, human
> beings -- in all countries, at all economic levels -- need to be
> FORCED to have fewer children. Enough fewer, so that global population
> begins to decline.
>
> You don't want me to take away people's freedom to destroy themselves?
> Fine. On a certain level, I really don't care. The world doesn't need
> "the damned human race".

it doesn't need your wacky beliefs either.
>
>
> * Aboriginal Americans are a good example of people who /did not/ live
> this way.
>
>

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 9:40 am
From: Jim Yanik

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in
news:iijk25$8sa$1@news.eternal-september.org:

> "Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
> news:ljfpk619pdh7ikkd4jdfuhrne50o93hf9v@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:45:42 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
>> <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>> It doesn't matter whether or
>>> not the rise in CO2 is the cause of warming.
>
>> Sure it does. No problem can be solved without first finding at least
>> one culprit to blame. Once the causes/culprits/conspirators/etc are
>> identified, we can then move forward towards a solution.
>> Unfortunately, most of the energy "solutions" offered are variations
>> on either austerity programs, genocide, redistribution of wealth, or
>> indirect self-enrichment.
>
> I hope that's a joke.
>
> You expect "the market" -- which is driven more by profit than
> altruism -- to provide a useful solution?

Yes,as it usually DOES provide solutions.
It's certain austerity programs and "redistribution" schemes don't.
They just make things worse.
>
> Where do you come off claiming most of the solutions involve
> "austerity programs, genocide, [or] redistribution of wealth". (I'm
> not sure what you mean by "indirect self-enrichment". Dale Gribble
> selling carbon offsets?) How does the gradual replacement of
> carbon-producing energy sources with carbon-neutral or low-carbon
> sources induce "austerity" or "genocide"?
>
>
>> Nobody has an easy answer to the energy problem that will scale well
>> and satisfy everyone's requirements. That means that the status quo
>> will remain until the day we run out of oil.
>
> Which is what the oil companies want. Why should we give into them,
> when there /are/ solutions?

What's this "we" nonsense? "We" use what resources we have until better
ones prove practical and are accepted by the free market,not by forcing
"solutions" on people,that turn out to be regressive and counterproductive.
(like MBTE,ethanol)

you must be a socialist/communist.
there's always some folks who think they know better how everybody else
should live.
>
>
>> We've also been here before. During the 17th century, England had an
>> energy crisis of sorts when it ran out of wood, which was needed for
>> ship construction and heating. That's when the 14th century ban on
>> coal burning was magically lifted and England switched to coal.
>>
><http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/offbeat-news/environmentalism-in-1
>306/
> 725>
>> I suspect something similar will happen with nuclear power. When the
>> demand appears, the "problems" with nuclear will magically disappear.
>
> They apparently already have. See...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor
>
> Of course, very little is being done about it.

BECAUSE of gov't restictions,manipulation of the free market forces.

But it remains that nuclear,solar,wind,geothermal electric sources are
STILL no practical replacement for petroleum powered autos and small
trucks.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 10:54 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

>> One way to have fewer people is to give birth to fewer people.
>> This is generally happening in developed countries -- which is
>> fortunate, because people with high standards of living tend
>> to use too much energy and consume too many natural resources.

> So what? those people also PRODUCE more.
> If you want to lower YOUR standard of living,go right ahead.
> Don't expect me to lower mine over your ridiculous assumptions.

Ridiculous? Fewer people --> less demand for everything --> less need to
produce things

>> You don't want me to take away people's freedom to destroy themselves?
>> Fine. On a certain level, I really don't care. The world doesn't need
>> "the damned human race".

> it doesn't need your wacky beliefs either.

Wacky? There's nothing wacky about common sense. You need to do some
thinking...

== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 10:56 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

>> Of course, very little is being done about it.

> BECAUSE of gov't restictions,manipulation of the free market forces.

Uh, huh. The free-market forces you praise -- which work very well in the
short term -- will almost always produce long-term results that benefit only
business.

== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 11:20 am
From: Jeffrey Angus

On 2/5/2011 12:56 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
> Uh, huh. The free-market forces you praise -- which work very
> well in the short term -- will almost always produce long-term
> results that benefit only business.

Uh, William, that's how it's SUPPOSED to work.

Jeff

== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 11:32 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

>> Uh, huh. The free-market forces you praise -- which work very
>> well in the short term -- will almost always produce long-term
>> results that benefit only business.

> Uh, William, that's how it's SUPPOSED to work.

Where does that leave the consumer?

I'm not in this world to make someone else rich.

== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 3:08 pm
From: Jim Yanik

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in
news:iik6d5$cg6$1@news.eternal-september.org:

>>> One way to have fewer people is to give birth to fewer people.
>>> This is generally happening in developed countries -- which is
>>> fortunate, because people with high standards of living tend
>>> to use too much energy and consume too many natural resources.
>
>> So what? those people also PRODUCE more.
>> If you want to lower YOUR standard of living,go right ahead.
>> Don't expect me to lower mine over your ridiculous assumptions.
>
> Ridiculous? Fewer people --> less demand for everything --> less need to
> produce things
>
>
>>> You don't want me to take away people's freedom to destroy themselves?
>>> Fine. On a certain level, I really don't care. The world doesn't need
>>> "the damned human race".
>
>> it doesn't need your wacky beliefs either.
>
> Wacky? There's nothing wacky about common sense. You need to do some
> thinking...
>
>

US GNP is higher than other nations because we produce so much,which is why
we use so much energy.

YOU need to do some learning.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 3:16 pm
From: Jim Yanik

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in
news:iik8kf$l79$1@news.eternal-september.org:

>>> Uh, huh. The free-market forces you praise -- which work very
>>> well in the short term -- will almost always produce long-term
>>> results that benefit only business.

As if "business" is some enemy of the people.. they provide goods and
services that the people want and consume.
Businesses are owned either by private citizens or
stockholders(IOW,citizens)Businesses are -US-,not some enemy.That's your
socialism poking it's ugly head again.
Otherwise,they'd be OUT of business. (unless propped up by socialism;then
they become antiquated and wasteful)

>
>> Uh, William, that's how it's SUPPOSED to work.
>
> Where does that leave the consumer?
>
> I'm not in this world to make someone else rich.

I doubt YOU are making anyone "rich".

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 3:17 pm
From: Jim Yanik

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in
news:iik6i0$d48$1@news.eternal-september.org:

>>> Of course, very little is being done about it.
>
>> BECAUSE of gov't restictions,manipulation of the free market forces.
>
> Uh, huh. The free-market forces you praise -- which work very well in
> the short term -- will almost always produce long-term results that
> benefit only business.
>
>

Which benefits everybody;jobs,higher standard of living,higher tax revenues
for gov't to spend/waste. When business suffers,people suffer.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

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TOPIC: Sony XR-C5300, car radio -failed tuner block
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/1957e53a2d1f64bd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 5:58 am
From: "N_Cook"

Owner likes the 2 SW bands, other than find a broken one or related model
also with the same tuner TUX-020 , any ideas?
Courtesy of some Danish and Polish threads someone found out that the 80 pin
Philips tuner IC TEA6842H is likely the same as the one badged Sony
8-759-653-23 in this tuner. All DC at the tuner 19 pins agree with Sony
Schema and rails, Xtal lines etc agree with the TEA... datasheet. There is
local Xtal osc, serial data and clock line signals on engaging "SEEK" ,
front display shows changing f but the TEA pin 42 tuning V stays at 0.045V.
Nothing amiss DVMing around the variable cap diode , pushing IC pins if
loose, and no bad ESR local caps. Whatever occured happened in a garage
during a cold spell of weather, vehicle rarely used.

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TOPIC: Want to Earn $400 min Per Week
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 7:45 am
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TOPIC: Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 200 insufficient blue
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/539a9aa244a2d23f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 8:07 am
From: kpgpbhdw@kpgpbhdw.com

On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:08:44 +0000 (UTC), <kpgpbhdw@kpgpbhdw.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 17:26:17 +0000 (UTC), kpgpbhdw@kpgpbhdw.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 08:49:51 -0000, N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
>>><kpgpbhdw@kpgpbhdw.com> wrote in message
>>> news:iicrn7$is5$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> I just got an old 22" Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 200 CRT monitor.
>>>> The previous owner said that the picture was "greenish".
>>>> He didn't say anything else about it.
>>>>
>
> edited
>
>>>> Thanks to all of you.
>>>>
>>>> Graviton.
>>>
>>>
>>> Try swapping red and blue drive lines. Isolates to the final or earlier
>>> stages
>>
>> I'm not a professional, just an experience amateur, so my tools and
>> skills are limited. Could you provide more details on this procedure?
>>
>> Thnx.
>
> Also, could someone point me in the direction of a pdf of the service
> manual that I could download? Preferably for free?
>
> Thnx.

Additional symptom: when it starts up, the blue comes on from the bottom
of the screen up, but in less than a second.

Thnx.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 3:09 pm
From: whit3rd

On Feb 2, 4:09 pm, kpgpb...@kpgpbhdw.com wrote:
> I just got an old 22" Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 200 CRT monitor.
> The previous owner said that the picture was "greenish".
> He didn't say anything else about it.
>
> The problem is that the blue color is about one tenth as bright as it
> should be

Well, I'd start with centering the blue control, maybe the red and
green
too, then readjust the high voltage "screen" or "G2". You need a
grey-bars
test signal to readjust the color (first diddle the RGB offsets, to
get
the darkest bar neutral gray, then change the RGB gains to make
the lightest bar neutral).

Some monitors do a lot of this through software, but removing the case
back and poking in with small adjustment screwdrivers is the usual
procedure. Beware the high voltage (anode) wire; your adjustments
have to be made with power ON.

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TOPIC: surges slowly destroying
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 8:58 am
From: Fred

sparky <sparky12x@yahoo.com> wrote in news:ae98d763-38da-4ad9-9c7a-
f8d6d5817fe9@f18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:

> You can use them as long as you never want to use an AM radio at the
> same time.
>
>

Not a problem as there's nothing on AM radio to listen to any more.....

http://www.radiosure.com/
http://www.shoutcast.com/
http://last.fm/

Who needs AM radio??

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TOPIC: Laptop not charging.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/3f52116e8141f1a4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 1:03 pm
From: Baron

T i m Inscribed thus:

>>> I've since ordered an external charger that should be ok for most of
>>> the Dell batteries so at least I can prove if it's the battery or
>>> the laptop.
>>
>>They put these "one wire" interfaces into the batteries too !
>
> No, really? ;-(

So I understand.

>>I've had cheap Chinese made ones that wont charge in a Dell !
>>Which sounds a bit like the one you refer to above.
>
> It does indeed. However, after Googling about it seems there may be
> some hope in a BIOS update? It's currently A2 and I think there is an
> A5 or 6 to be had. I just need a charged battery in there to do it.
> I've ordered an external charger as I'm told the pinout of most of the
> Dell batteries are the same

Yes but they put the connector block in different places on the battery
pack ! You will have to let me know how it goes.

> (so it will cover a fair range of models
> and we have a few between us) in case I can't access another machine
> or a charged battery elsewhere.
>
> Might as well do the easy / non-invasive things first. ;-)
>
> Cheers, T i m

I couldn't agree more.

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

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TOPIC: Proview 986m 19" monitor
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/d621145a2c682a26?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 1:35 pm
From: JR North

Monitor erupted in much smoke and loud hissing. Video scrambled but
stayed up. I lunged for the power cord behind it, and unplugged it
within 2 seconds. I took it apart, confident in finding some burst
cap or two. Nothing. Everything on close visual inspection looks
good. No burned traces or bulging/fried components. The board fuse is
OK. I've repaired this monitor twice since new in 2000. A couple caps
in the PS (would't start), and reflowed neck board (video brightness
up/down).
Could a fbt do this, and not show any signs? Something definatly
gassed out violently. It smelled more like burned insulation than the
acrid fried cap smell. I'm not competent to power up the board with
it apart.
JR

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 2:07 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> Monitor erupted in much smoke and loud hissing.

The odor notwithstanding, the smoke and hissing suggest an outgassing
capacitor.

If that's not it, there /has/ to be some visible problem.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 2:17 pm
From: "N_Cook"

JR North <junkjasonrnorth@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:7nfrk69o6nqure6q0kj0qccebf3gdn1ojp@4ax.com...
> Monitor erupted in much smoke and loud hissing. Video scrambled but
> stayed up. I lunged for the power cord behind it, and unplugged it
> within 2 seconds. I took it apart, confident in finding some burst
> cap or two. Nothing. Everything on close visual inspection looks
> good. No burned traces or bulging/fried components. The board fuse is
> OK. I've repaired this monitor twice since new in 2000. A couple caps
> in the PS (would't start), and reflowed neck board (video brightness
> up/down).
> Could a fbt do this, and not show any signs? Something definatly
> gassed out violently. It smelled more like burned insulation than the
> acrid fried cap smell. I'm not competent to power up the board with
> it apart.
> JR
>

Perhaps the rhinalogical equivalent of the "stethoscope" for tracking down
mechanical squeeks. A drinking straw stuffed in a nostril ? Caps can outgas
at the hidden pin face , not just the "cross-hair" weak spot.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 3:26 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Sat, 05 Feb 2011 13:35:18 -0800, JR North wrote:

> Monitor erupted in much smoke and loud hissing. Video scrambled but
> stayed up. I lunged for the power cord behind it, and unplugged it
> within 2 seconds. I took it apart, confident in finding some burst cap
> or two. Nothing. Everything on close visual inspection looks good. No
> burned traces or bulging/fried components. The board fuse is OK. I've
> repaired this monitor twice since new in 2000. A couple caps in the PS
> (would't start), and reflowed neck board (video brightness up/down).
> Could a fbt do this, and not show any signs? Something definatly gassed
> out violently. It smelled more like burned insulation than the acrid
> fried cap smell. I'm not competent to power up the board with it apart.
> JR

Hiss usually = something formerly sealed discharging a gas. Maybe you
missed something in your visual.

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