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TOPIC: Followup on PC built outside the case
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/0d2154667b5db60e?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 11:01 pm
From: D

On 3/25/2011 9:08 AM, Meat Plow wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:07:13 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>
>>> My gut feeling is that when you get it in a case, properly grounded and
>>> cooled, it will be fine.
>>
>> Ditto. I've seen this with other products. They fail to work correctly
>> outside the case or cabinet, for no obvious reason, but (after hours of
>> frustrating troubleshooting) they work correctly when put back.
>
> That would be my advice also. Get it mounted proper in a case and see
> what happens. Not only the proper grounding but the proper airflow over
> the devices.
>
>
>

Thanks for the continued input everyone. Most recent developments: I
again tried the Win 7 on my new SATA, but with a known-good PSU, and it
froze in about 15 minutes. So it's not the PSU. After this, I loaded a
32 bit copy of XP Pro on an IDE drive, and the machine has run for about
4 hours without a freeze (I should add I loaded Win 7 previously on this
same drive, and it froze like it did on the SATA). During the time the
machine has been running fine under XP Pro, the PC has been surfing the
internet on one monitor, while continuously playing .VOB videos on VLC
with the audio muted on a remote plasma (like the older build this one
is to replace, I use the computer for general PC use as well as for a
HTPC), while also playing a 2 hour MP3 on Winamp. One possible
conclusion from this that either the PC, or the video card, does not
like 64 bits. Reading the reviews of the board on Newegg, many people
seem to be running Win 7 64 bit with no problem, so I'm guessing it's
not that the MOBO has a problem with that OS. Am I correct that it would
be unlikely for either the RAM or the CPU to be intolerant of 64 bit Win 7?

BTW, ran Memtest for ~ 3 hours. No errors.

I'm considering replacing the vid card, since it seems a very likely
suspect. I'm not a gamer (though this gear should be up to it), so I
don't need anything tooooo drastic (read, EXPENSIVE). As JL suggested,
I'm wondering about the PCI E 2.0 slots. Also, I've been using a X16
slot (MOBO also has X8 slots). Could the Vid card be the culprit? And
opinions on this card for my applications:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814131350

Thanks again for the replies!

Dan

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 3:43 am
From: KR

On Mar 24, 7:17 pm, D <n...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I've put the computer together which I mentioned in my previous "outside
> the case" post, and I'm am having a bit of difficulty, though I doubt
> it's related to the no-case part. I know this isn't really a computer
> forum, but if any of the very knowledgeable people here have any
> insights into the following, I'd sure appreciate hearing them.
>
> The components of the new build are as follows:
>
> -GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel
> Motherboard
>
> -Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor
> BX80601950
>
> -HITACHI Deskstar 5K3000 HDS5C3020ALA632 (0F12117) 2TB SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
> Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
>
> -CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
> Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1333C9
>
> -Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
>
> -Thermaltake Black Widow PSU W0319RU 850W ATX 12V v2.3, EPS 12V v2.91
> CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE
>
> -Older Powercolor X800 GTO vid card
>
> I have initially set up the bits on a table, outside of the case (so I
> can still use the PC which is now occupying the case until all is well
> with the new bits). Loading went fine, got online & began loading
> software, when the PC locked up. In the ~6 hours I've been playing with
> this, it has not run longer than about 20 minutes without locking up,
> sometimes only 5 or 10 minutes. It seems fine, then just locks. No
> mouse, no keyboard, no ctrl/alt/del function, I have to do a reset to
> get it going again. I've pulled the HDD & re-installed the OS on a spare
> 160 gig IDE drive I have, same behavior, so it's not the HDD. What
> components are the most likely culprits here? Any suggestions anyone
> might have on this situation would be greatly appreciated!
>
> I should add that I installed about 55 updates from MS to the Win 7
> installation (all available), after which it still locked.
>
> Haven't had an OS lock up since Windows ME. I'm already missing XP! ;-(
>
> Dan

I have had to assemble PC's some years back for applications where a
normal case couldnt be used. One thing that was noticed was the
amount of heat on the backing plate that the motherboard was mounted
onto. This led me to believe that the metal PCB standoffs and backing
plate play an important role in passing heat from the motherboard to
the backing plate (as well as providing a gap for air circulation
underneath. They may also help greatly in providing a very solid
earth connection as well.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 6:35 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> BTW, ran Memtest for ~3 hours. No errors.

I know from experience that memory test programs do not always find bad RAM.

> I'm considering replacing the video card, since it seems
> a likely suspect.

If the card works under multiple operating systems, that pretty much rules
out the card. However, you might have problems with the driver.

One of the good things about cards using Nvidia chips is that they'll run
with "generic" drivers written by Nvidia. (This is also probably true of the
other major brand, whose name I can't think of). Try using one of these.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 10:29 am
From: Meat Plow

On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 23:01:09 -0700, D wrote:

> On 3/25/2011 9:08 AM, Meat Plow wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:07:13 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>
>>>> My gut feeling is that when you get it in a case, properly grounded
>>>> and cooled, it will be fine.
>>>
>>> Ditto. I've seen this with other products. They fail to work correctly
>>> outside the case or cabinet, for no obvious reason, but (after hours
>>> of frustrating troubleshooting) they work correctly when put back.
>>
>> That would be my advice also. Get it mounted proper in a case and see
>> what happens. Not only the proper grounding but the proper airflow over
>> the devices.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Thanks for the continued input everyone. Most recent developments: I
> again tried the Win 7 on my new SATA, but with a known-good PSU, and it
> froze in about 15 minutes. So it's not the PSU. After this, I loaded a
> 32 bit copy of XP Pro on an IDE drive, and the machine has run for about
> 4 hours without a freeze (I should add I loaded Win 7 previously on this
> same drive, and it froze like it did on the SATA). During the time the
> machine has been running fine under XP Pro, the PC has been surfing the
> internet on one monitor, while continuously playing .VOB videos on VLC
> with the audio muted on a remote plasma (like the older build this one
> is to replace, I use the computer for general PC use as well as for a
> HTPC), while also playing a 2 hour MP3 on Winamp. One possible
> conclusion from this that either the PC, or the video card, does not
> like 64 bits. Reading the reviews of the board on Newegg, many people
> seem to be running Win 7 64 bit with no problem, so I'm guessing it's
> not that the MOBO has a problem with that OS. Am I correct that it would
> be unlikely for either the RAM or the CPU to be intolerant of 64 bit Win
> 7?
>
> BTW, ran Memtest for ~ 3 hours. No errors.
>
> I'm considering replacing the vid card, since it seems a very likely
> suspect. I'm not a gamer (though this gear should be up to it), so I
> don't need anything tooooo drastic (read, EXPENSIVE). As JL suggested,
> I'm wondering about the PCI E 2.0 slots. Also, I've been using a X16
> slot (MOBO also has X8 slots). Could the Vid card be the culprit? And
> opinions on this card for my applications:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814131350
>
> Thanks again for the replies!
>
> Dan

Look for an EVGA branded GeForce 9500 series.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

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TOPIC: If this ugly bitch wasn't Muslim, would she still beat her daughter
down?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/eeff248aa9ac5d1a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 6:04 pm
From: Stephany Alexander

http://www.kasa.com/dpps/news/crime/mom-faces-charges-after-attacking-daughter_3756603

ALBUQUERQUE (KRQE) - An Albuquerque woman is facing child abuse charges
after she catches her daughter with a man not wearing traditional Muslim
clothing.

Police said that Kadhmie Alkhizaie, 61, slapped her daughter, pulled her
hair and scratched her.

That is when the daughter locked her out of the house, so Alkhizaie got
a rock and started banging on the window.

She is charged with child abuse since a young girl was hurt in the scuffle.

Alkhizaie has bonded out of jail.

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TOPIC: Ugly bitch dangles her 3 year old son out window to protect child
diddling boyfriend
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/25ac176b950def2a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 6:13 pm
From: Stephany Alexander

http://www.wtsp.com/news/watercooler/article/183325/58/Cops-Mom-dangled-child-out-window-to-protect-boyfriend

DAYTONA BEACH SHORES, Florida (WKMG) -- A woman dangled her 3-year-old
son out a Volusia County apartment window while trying to hide him from
authorities who were investigating her boyfriend, who is a registered
sex offender, according to police.

Deeanna M. Murray, 24, and Phillip Perry Heidt, 20, were arrested early
Thursday morning on charges of felony child abuse. Heidt, who was
arrested in January for being in contact with children but had since
been released, was also charged with violation of probation.

According to Daytona Beach Shores police, officers went to Heidt's
apartment after receiving an anonymous call about midnight. The caller
said Heidt had children in his apartment, located on South Atlantic
Avenue in Daytona Beach Shores, police said. As part of Heidt's
probation from a 2008 conviction of lewd and lascivious molestation of a
child in Pasco County, he is prohibited from having any contact with
children unless approved by a judge, police said.

According to police, Heidt told officers that he and Murray were alone
in the apartment. Officers became suspicious, however, when Murray
refused to step out of the bathroom located at the rear of the
apartment, police said.

Heidt then spoke briefly to Murray at the bathroom door, but officers
could not hear what was said, police said. A short time later, officers
heard the cries of a child coming from the bathroom, police said.

An officer entered the bathroom and saw Murray lowering her 3-year-old
son by his arm out the window, police said. Four feet below was a
narrow, flat roof with no edge or railing, and concrete was 10 feet
below the roof, police said.

According to police, the officer ordered Murray to pull the child back
into the window, and she complied.

Daytona Beach Shores police said Murray apparently also intended to
lower her 2-year-old daughter out the window, as the child was also
found in the bathroom.

Murray later told officers that Heidt told her to lower the children out
the window when he spoke to her at the bathroom door, police said.

"The child could have fallen off the roof it was pitch black out. He
(the child) would have fallen another 10 feet," Detective Micheal
Fowler, with the Daytona Beach Shores Police Department said Thursday.

Neighbors were disturbed to hear what lengths Murray went to, to protect
her boyfriend.

"You don't do stuff like that. Those kids could have gotten hurt. Now
mom goes to jail and I feel sorry for the kids," a neighbor said.

Neither child was injured and both were placed in the custody of the
Florida Department of Children and Families.

Heidt was being held on no bond. Murray is out on bond.

WKMG Local 6

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TOPIC: Valve and Tube Company, Ryde IOW, UK
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/62ff45ea6ac4ba52?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 5:41 am
From: "N_Cook"

Rod Burman,www.valves.uk.com, has retired
The stock of valves has now been bought by a German company
www.askjanfirst.com
What was the original name of the company Bristol way, that he bought up
the stock
of valves from, twenty or more years ago? something like the British Valve
Company

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TOPIC: DEALS FOR GIRLS AND BOYS - DATING HOT GIRLS - FREE CHATTING HERE
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 6:26 am
From: devi vithya

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TOPIC: HDTV has no sound
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/3a7aee93765769fb?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 2:37 pm
From: Cheryl

vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> Actually very faint sound at max vol w earphone but effectively silent.
>
> It can't be the speakers because it does the same with two
> different"speakers".
>
> AM I right to think it is a capacitor in the amp circuit? The reason I doubt
> is it does not respond to hitting/shaking. THe other thing is the faint
> sound at high volume doesn't match past experience with amp capacitor
> burnout.
>
> THe unit is a Supersonic 7" 193a HDTV with a 12v power adaptor.
>
> PS, is there any "electronics repair rules of thumb" cheat sheet anywhere?
>
> - = -
> Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist
> http://www.panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
> ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
> [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
> [Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Phooey on GUI: Windows for subprime Bimbos]
>
>
>
>

It sounds like you need to go to the menu and turn your speakers to "On."

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 9:59 pm
From: Bob Villa

On Mar 26, 4:37 pm, Cheryl <chuckkl...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> It sounds like you need to go to the menu and turn your speakers to "On."

I agree.

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TOPIC: IT`S TOO HOT GURU
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Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 11:52 pm
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TOPIC: HAVE U SEEN THE EVIL-DEAD?
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