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* Followup on PC built outside the case - 6 messages, 5 authors
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* Coffee Machine Repair (help req'd) - 5 messages, 4 authors
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TOPIC: Followup on PC built outside the case
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 12:59 am
From: Bob Villa

On Mar 25, 1:20 am, D <n...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Your approach makes a lot of sense.  I had an AMD Athlon awhile back,
> the last pre-build PC I've bought (Gateway.  They still in business?
> ;-), it was fine, once I got rid of that abysmal Win ME & replaced it
> with Win 2K.
>

Gateway (and eMachines) are owned by Acer.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 3:15 am
From: JW

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:21:38 -0700 D <none@hotmail.com> wrote in Message
id: <4d8bb5dd$0$3362$c3e8da3$9b4ff22a@news.astraweb.com>:

>On 3/24/2011 6:54 AM, JW wrote:
>
>>> There was a 'sort-of' recall on i7 chips a while back. Google i7 SATA
>>> bug.
>>
>> I think that was the Q57 chipset, not the processor, though.
>
>Is this the recall in question: http://techreport.com/discussions.x/20326 ?
>
>The page says in part:
>
>The problem that's caused Intel to initiate a billion-dollar chipset
>recall affects the SATA ports on all 6-series chipsets, including the
>H67 and P67 chipsets most prominently used in consumer products. All of
>these chipsets are collectively referred to as "Cougar Point" inside of
>Intel. Because there are no third-party chipsets compatible with Sandy
>Bridge processors, all Sandy Bridge-based systems are potentially
>affected, including desktops, laptops, and DIY motherboards.

My bad. I didn't check my facts before posting and was going from memory.
That's the bug I was referring to.

>I'm assuming that since my MOBO is a GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366
>Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX, which (apparently) uses the X58
>chipset, not the H67 or the P67, that this is not an issue for me, correct?

Correct.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 6:07 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> My gut feeling is that when you get it in a case,
> properly grounded and cooled, it will be fine.

Ditto. I've seen this with other products. They fail to work correctly
outside the case or cabinet, for no obvious reason, but (after hours of
frustrating troubleshooting) they work correctly when put back.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 9:06 am
From: Meat Plow

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 20:36:26 -0700, stratus46 wrote:

> On Mar 24, 4:35 pm, D <n...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > No problem ;-)  This is my 2nd "new build", I've found there's such
> a
> > bewildering array of mobos, etc., that I tend to just go for
> something
> > that's sort of on the "bottom rung of the top tier", so to speak,
> that
> > way I seem to get near-state of the art performance, without
> spending
> > the absolute max, and also without having to spend eons studying
> each
> > available option.  Kinda like buying the cheapest house in an
> expensive
> > neighborhood...  ;-)
>
> And I take different approach. AMD Phenom II processors on Gigabyte 780
> series boards. According to the benchmarks, the AMD gets 70-90% of the
> performance of the Intels and usually comes in at about 1/4 the price.
> The 3 of them together ran about $1400 total, each with 4 gigs, at least
> 2TB worth of drives (1.5T + 500G) and an HDTV tuner each. Next machine
> will likely be another Gigabyte board, probably an 880 series, certainly
> with integrated graphics and another AMD. If I get burned by the
> Gigabyte boards I'll look at Asus and Tyan but won't use any more ECS,
> Biostar or MSI boards. So far I have 5 Gigabyte machines and another at
> work and no problems with any of them.
>
> For those who are leery of AMD, the Harris servers used at at least 2 of
> the major TV networks (CBS and Fox) deliver all your TV with AMD
> processors.
>
> G²

PhenomII 955 on Asus M4A78T-E o'clocked to 4 ghz. Not a single problem.

I for one haven't paid for an Intel platform since 2000.

--
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== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 9:08 am
From: Meat Plow

On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:07:13 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote:

>> My gut feeling is that when you get it in a case, properly grounded and
>> cooled, it will be fine.
>
> Ditto. I've seen this with other products. They fail to work correctly
> outside the case or cabinet, for no obvious reason, but (after hours of
> frustrating troubleshooting) they work correctly when put back.

That would be my advice also. Get it mounted proper in a case and see
what happens. Not only the proper grounding but the proper airflow over
the devices.

--
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== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 11:01 pm
From: D

On 3/25/2011 9:08 AM, Meat Plow wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:07:13 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>
>>> My gut feeling is that when you get it in a case, properly grounded and
>>> cooled, it will be fine.
>>
>> Ditto. I've seen this with other products. They fail to work correctly
>> outside the case or cabinet, for no obvious reason, but (after hours of
>> frustrating troubleshooting) they work correctly when put back.
>
> That would be my advice also. Get it mounted proper in a case and see
> what happens. Not only the proper grounding but the proper airflow over
> the devices.
>
>
>

Thanks for the continued input everyone. Most recent developments: I
again tried the Win 7 on my new SATA, but with a known-good PSU, and it
froze in about 15 minutes. So it's not the PSU. After this, I loaded a
32 bit copy of XP Pro on an IDE drive, and the machine has run for about
4 hours without a freeze (I should add I loaded Win 7 previously on this
same drive, and it froze like it did on the SATA). During the time the
machine has been running fine under XP Pro, the PC has been surfing the
internet on one monitor, while continuously playing .VOB videos on VLC
with the audio muted on a remote plasma (like the older build this one
is to replace, I use the computer for general PC use as well as for a
HTPC), while also playing a 2 hour MP3 on Winamp. One possible
conclusion from this that either the PC, or the video card, does not
like 64 bits. Reading the reviews of the board on Newegg, many people
seem to be running Win 7 64 bit with no problem, so I'm guessing it's
not that the MOBO has a problem with that OS. Am I correct that it would
be unlikely for either the RAM or the CPU to be intolerant of 64 bit Win 7?

BTW, ran Memtest for ~ 3 hours. No errors.

I'm considering replacing the vid card, since it seems a very likely
suspect. I'm not a gamer (though this gear should be up to it), so I
don't need anything tooooo drastic (read, EXPENSIVE). As JL suggested,
I'm wondering about the PCI E 2.0 slots. Also, I've been using a X16
slot (MOBO also has X8 slots). Could the Vid card be the culprit? And
opinions on this card for my applications:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814131350

Thanks again for the replies!

Dan

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TOPIC: Coffee Machine Repair (help req'd)
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 1:42 am
From: Neid Koffe

Got given this coffee machine.
Aroma Coffee� 12 Digital (PC4700)

Fault:

When powering it on (digital panel) it turns straight off and the
element never gets to heats up.

This digital panel I assume control the usage etc. But also
controls the On/Off. The buttons themselves seem functional.
I can hear a relay trip once when it turns it self off again.

I've pulled to bits to check for obvious problems.
I'm thinking I'm looking at a round Thermistor (see below links)
that attaches directly to the element and it appears wired to the
mains voltage (230-240v here) on the power/relay board on the right
side of the photo.

Would it be safe to assume this is a good chance of being the
problem? I'm going to resolder that large resistor on the board in
case its dried just in case.

The digital board I'll leave unless you think something warrants
investigating. But its pretty much an IC and a LCD panel. The
clock on it works find untill you press the on button and it drops
power completely.

If it is the Thermistor how can I test it with a meter?
I know enough to avoid a shock but not sure would it be open or
closed or what. Need some help here.

Your ideas are welcome on this (cant wait to try the coffee).

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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 2:35 am
From: Franc Zabkar

On 25 Mar 2011 08:42:24 GMT, Neid Koffe <dead@doornail.com> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

>Got given this coffee machine.
>Aroma Coffee� 12 Digital (PC4700)
>
>Fault:
>
>When powering it on (digital panel) it turns straight off and the
>element never gets to heats up.
>
>This digital panel I assume control the usage etc. But also
>controls the On/Off. The buttons themselves seem functional.
>I can hear a relay trip once when it turns it self off again.
>
>I've pulled to bits to check for obvious problems.
>I'm thinking I'm looking at a round Thermistor (see below links)
>that attaches directly to the element and it appears wired to the
>mains voltage (230-240v here) on the power/relay board on the right
>side of the photo.

That's a thermal switch, not a thermistor. It should be closed.

- Franc Zabkar
--
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== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 3:37 am
From: Neid Koffe

Att: Frank

>>Got given this coffee machine.
>>Aroma Coffee� 12 Digital (PC4700)
>>
>>Fault:
>>
>>When powering it on (digital panel) it turns straight off and the
>>element never gets to heats up.
>>
>>This digital panel I assume control the usage etc. But also
>>controls the On/Off. The buttons themselves seem functional.
>>I can hear a relay trip once when it turns it self off again.
>>
>>I've pulled to bits to check for obvious problems.
>>I'm thinking I'm looking at a round Thermistor (see below links)
>>that attaches directly to the element and it appears wired to the
>>mains voltage (230-240v here) on the power/relay board on the
right
>>side of the photo.

>That's a thermal switch, not a thermistor. It should be closed.
>- Franc Zabkar

Thanks for the reply...

So that is normally closed at all times unless it hits the temp
threshold? Even in a no power state?

How would it be acting if faulty?

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 5:06 am
From: "Phil Allison"

"Neid Koffe"

> How would it be acting if faulty?

** Irrelevant - cos it is not the fault you have.

That device is only there as a last line of defence against the whole thing
going up in flames.

BTW:

Love your handle.

... Phil

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 9:02 am
From: Meat Plow

On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 08:42:24 +0000, Neid Koffe wrote:

> Got given this coffee machine.
> Aroma Coffee™ 12 Digital (PC4700)
>
> Fault:
>
> When powering it on (digital panel) it turns straight off and the
> element never gets to heats up.
>
> This digital panel I assume control the usage etc. But also controls
> the On/Off. The buttons themselves seem functional. I can hear a relay
> trip once when it turns it self off again.
>
> I've pulled to bits to check for obvious problems. I'm thinking I'm
> looking at a round Thermistor (see below links) that attaches directly
> to the element and it appears wired to the mains voltage (230-240v here)
> on the power/relay board on the right side of the photo.
>
> Would it be safe to assume this is a good chance of being the problem?
> I'm going to resolder that large resistor on the board in case its dried
> just in case.
>
> The digital board I'll leave unless you think something warrants
> investigating. But its pretty much an IC and a LCD panel. The clock on
> it works find untill you press the on button and it drops power
> completely.
>
> If it is the Thermistor how can I test it with a meter? I know enough to
> avoid a shock but not sure would it be open or closed or what. Need
> some help here.
>
> Your ideas are welcome on this (cant wait to try the coffee).

Thermistor attached to heating pad responsible 99% of the time from my
experience in repairing my Cuisinart Grind -N-Brew not once but twice in
4 years..

--
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 8:24 am
From: "Chris F."

The convergence amp failed again on this set and damaged something on the
mainboard, so I'm junking this set rather than gamble any more money on it.
I have the full chassis here, including 3 good CRTs (blue one needs the
coolant changed). I also bought a new convergence processor board for it,
I'm asking $50 for that. The rest of it is open to offers.
If anyone wants parts from this let me know soon, otherwise it is going on
the trash (except for the convergence processor, I will list that on eBay).

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 8:28 am
From: "Dave M"

I'm looking for recommendations for an MP3 player with FM transmitter for
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Strong FM signal is good... I don't like noisy music.

I've looked at some listed on Amazon.com and a couple of Asian sources, but
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Thanks for the help
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 9:09 am
From: Meat Plow

On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:28:01 -0500, Dave M wrote:

> I'm looking for recommendations for an MP3 player with FM transmitter
> for use in an automobile that only has a basic AM-FM radio. Here's a
> list of the features that I would like to have:
>
> Accepts USB flash drives of at least 16 Gb, preferably up to at least 32
> Gb Displays MP3 data such as song title & artist (if it's in the MP3
> file, of course), folder name, etc.
> Allows navigation of folders
> Ability to select FM broadcast frequency Remembers last selection after
> power down Rewind & fast forward
> Repeat & random
> Includes remote control
> Strong FM signal is good... I don't like noisy music.
>
> I've looked at some listed on Amazon.com and a couple of Asian sources,
> but I'd like to hear recommendations (pros and cons) from someone who
> has actual experience with them. I'm not looking for bottom dollar
> units, but want good value for the money.
>
> Thanks for the help

If you already have the player you can buy a transmitter.

--
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 9:23 am
From: Sofa Slug

On 3/21/2011 5:31 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:
> On 3/21/2011 1:10 PM Franc Zabkar spake thus:
>
>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:39:54 -0800, David Nebenzahl
>> <nobody@but.us.chickens> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>>
>>> I'm looking for an online electronics forum (web-based) where I can
>>> post some questions.
>>>
><Snipped>
>

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 2:42 pm
From: EdDataFix

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 10:17 am
From: "(PeteCresswell)"

Per (PeteCresswell):
>Finally wound up paying $100 for a two-pack of "Professional
>1000" models at Sam's Club - figuring that the extra twenty was
>well spent against the day when one failed again.
>
>I'm thinking all this is some kind of marketing ploy by Oral-B,
>since Colgate offers electric toothbrushes at under $10 - albeit
>not with the reciprocating action of the Oral-B.

Well, I finally got off my butt and performed the due diligence
that I should have performed before buying.

Turns out there is something to the price diff.

The cheaper one that failed had a significant feature set diff.
Battery life, number of strokes per minute, pressure warning
light, and maybe more.

The bottom line I came away with is that I should have sprung for
one of the even more expensive ones that had the sonic cleaning
feature - which users report leaves the teeth feeling like they
do right after a professional cleaning.
--
PeteCresswell

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 11:05 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> The bottom line I came away with is that I should have
> sprung for one of the even more expensive ones that had
> the sonic cleaning feature -- which users report leaves the
> teeth feeling like they do right after a professional cleaning.

What comprises "sonic" cleaning is a matter of opinion. However, the current
Oral-Bs, and all the Sonicares, do/did a sufficiently good job of cleaning
that your teeth are "squeaky" clean -- runbbing a clean, dry fingertip over
them produces sound.

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