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TOPIC: Followup on PC built outside the case
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 24 2011 2:59 pm
From: Baron

D Inscribed thus:

> Thanks for all the helpful replies. I have a utility called Speccy
> that monitors temps, yesterday the CPU was showing 39C (104F), which I
> believe is low. Speccy also shows voltages, on that issue, which ones
> should I be looking at, and what should the be? I also run it on my
> current core 2 Conroe, it shows the following for this setup:

Does the BIOS have any voltage and temperature display. It would be
worth comparing them.

> CPU core - 1.168
> Memory controller - 1.840
> +3.3V - 3.328
> +5V - 4.992
> +12 - 10.371
> VIN5 - 1.616
> VIN6 - 1.488
>
> Which of these would be most critical to the freeze situation? This
> is a different PC/PSU, and this setup has run fine for 5 years. Not
> sure why the 12V reading is ~1.6 volts low. I was just directly
> measuring some voltages on various cables on that PSU while the PC
> ran, the 12V ones were measuring 12.12V. Any thoughts appreciated.

I assume that the directly measured voltage was with a multimeter !
12.12v is fine. Interesting to find out why Speccy reads it low...
Or is this two different PSU ?

> I hope it's not the Win 7, but I have loaded XP on an available drive
> & will see how the PC runs that.
>
> Thanks all again for the terrific input!
>
> Dan

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 24 2011 3:21 pm
From: D

On 3/24/2011 2:32 PM, stratus46@yahoo.com wrote:

>
> When you said you wanted to run outside the case I thought you had
> some inexpensive old parts. You have enough money for that good stuff
> and you won't spring for another case / power supply? Makes no sense
> to me.
>
> G²

I was able to afford those pieces in part by not replacing things I did
not need to.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 24 2011 3:51 pm
From: stratus46@yahoo.com

On Mar 24, 3:21 pm, D <n...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/24/2011 2:32 PM, stratu...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > When you said you wanted to run outside the case I thought you had
> > some inexpensive old parts. You have enough money for that good stuff
> > and you won't spring for another case / power supply? Makes no sense
> > to me.
>
> > G²
>
> I was able to afford those pieces in part by not replacing things I did
> not need to.

Sorry to give you a hard time.

G²

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 24 2011 4:35 pm
From: D

On 3/24/2011 3:51 PM, stratus46@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Mar 24, 3:21 pm, D<n...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 3/24/2011 2:32 PM, stratu...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> When you said you wanted to run outside the case I thought you had
>>> some inexpensive old parts. You have enough money for that good stuff
>>> and you won't spring for another case / power supply? Makes no sense
>>> to me.
>>
>>> G�
>>
>> I was able to afford those pieces in part by not replacing things I did
>> not need to.
>
> Sorry to give you a hard time.
>
> G�

No problem ;-) This is my 2nd "new build", I've found there's such a
bewildering array of mobos, etc., that I tend to just go for something
that's sort of on the "bottom rung of the top tier", so to speak, that
way I seem to get near-state of the art performance, without spending
the absolute max, and also without having to spend eons studying each
available option. Kinda like buying the cheapest house in an expensive
neighborhood... ;-)

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 24 2011 8:36 pm
From: stratus46@yahoo.com

On Mar 24, 4:35 pm, D <n...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> No problem ;-)  This is my 2nd "new build", I've found there's such
a
> bewildering array of mobos, etc., that I tend to just go for
something
> that's sort of on the "bottom rung of the top tier", so to speak,
that
> way I seem to get near-state of the art performance, without
spending
> the absolute max, and also without having to spend eons studying
each
> available option.  Kinda like buying the cheapest house in an
expensive
> neighborhood...  ;-)

And I take different approach. AMD Phenom II processors on Gigabyte
780 series boards. According to the benchmarks, the AMD gets 70-90% of
the performance of the Intels and usually comes in at about 1/4 the
price. The 3 of them together ran about $1400 total, each with 4 gigs,
at least 2TB worth of drives (1.5T + 500G) and an HDTV tuner each.
Next machine will likely be another Gigabyte board, probably an 880
series, certainly with integrated graphics and another AMD. If I get
burned by the Gigabyte boards I'll look at Asus and Tyan but won't use
any more ECS, Biostar or MSI boards. So far I have 5 Gigabyte machines
and another at work and no problems with any of them.

For those who are leery of AMD, the Harris servers used at at least 2
of the major TV networks (CBS and Fox) deliver all your TV with AMD
processors.

G²

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 24 2011 11:20 pm
From: D

On 3/24/2011 8:36 PM, stratus46@yahoo.com wrote:

>
> And I take different approach. AMD Phenom II processors on Gigabyte
> 780 series boards. According to the benchmarks, the AMD gets 70-90% of
> the performance of the Intels and usually comes in at about 1/4 the
> price. The 3 of them together ran about $1400 total, each with 4 gigs,
> at least 2TB worth of drives (1.5T + 500G) and an HDTV tuner each.
> Next machine will likely be another Gigabyte board, probably an 880
> series, certainly with integrated graphics and another AMD. If I get
> burned by the Gigabyte boards I'll look at Asus and Tyan but won't use
> any more ECS, Biostar or MSI boards. So far I have 5 Gigabyte machines
> and another at work and no problems with any of them.
>
> For those who are leery of AMD, the Harris servers used at at least 2
> of the major TV networks (CBS and Fox) deliver all your TV with AMD
> processors.
>
> G²

Your approach makes a lot of sense. I had an AMD Athlon awhile back,
the last pre-build PC I've bought (Gateway. They still in business?
;-), it was fine, once I got rid of that abysmal Win ME & replaced it
with Win 2K.

The temps in BIOS are normal, CPU is about 39C. Also checked all the PSU
voltage with a multimeter, both with the PSU connected & not, and they
are fine. Most interestingly, the PC SEEMS to run fine in safe mode
w/networking. Wouldn't this suggest the hardware is fine?

I am going to burn a Memtest boot CD & give that a try.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 24 2011 11:55 pm
From: stratus46@yahoo.com

On Mar 24, 11:20 pm, D <n...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Your approach makes a lot of sense.  I had an AMD Athlon awhile
back,
> the last pre-build PC I've bought (Gateway.  They still in
business?
> ;-), it was fine, once I got rid of that abysmal Win ME & replaced
it
> with Win 2K.
>
> The temps in BIOS are normal, CPU is about 39C. Also checked all
the PSU
> voltage with a multimeter, both with the PSU connected & not, and
they
> are fine. Most interestingly, the PC SEEMS to run fine in safe mode
> w/networking. Wouldn't this suggest the hardware is fine?
>
> I am going to burn a Memtest boot CD & give that a try.

I'm not sure what Intel processors do in safe mode. They might be
'throttled back' running at a slower clock speed than normal. If
timings were borderline at full speed, slower clock could be OK.

Are you trying any kind of speed up at BIOS level? I always select
'failsafe defaults' and then make minor changes like boot drive
sequence and turn on SMART. If I want more speed, I buy a faster
processor and sell the old one on eBay. I've sold 4 processors in the
last 18 months and usually end up improving 2 machines for low net
prices like $50-$100.

My gut feeling on yours is that when you get it in a case properly
grounded and cooled it will be fine. I certainly want to find out how
it shakes out.

G²

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 12:59 am
From: Bob Villa

On Mar 25, 1:20 am, D <n...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Your approach makes a lot of sense.  I had an AMD Athlon awhile back,
> the last pre-build PC I've bought (Gateway.  They still in business?
> ;-), it was fine, once I got rid of that abysmal Win ME & replaced it
> with Win 2K.
>

Gateway (and eMachines) are owned by Acer.

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