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* USA MOVIES, USA NEWS, USA GAMES, USA VIDEOS, USA IMAGES, USA SPORTS - 1
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* Black and While programs on Color Tv - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/4832decd7595bba7?hl=en
* FOR JAVA STUDENTS SPECIAL - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/013d0ddad1d23e0d?hl=en
* Found: more datasheets (ftp). - 6 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/0d00193000a822b1?hl=en
* Strangely marked BUZ Mosfet - 11 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/aff797bedba2c908?hl=en
* How-To: Common Cause Of Flat Panel PS Failure - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/ff5b6703ec041dcc?hl=en

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TOPIC: USA MOVIES, USA NEWS, USA GAMES, USA VIDEOS, USA IMAGES, USA SPORTS
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/a5787aeb6cf91d01?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 5 2011 9:47 pm
From: paypal cash

USA MOVIES, USA NEWS, USA GAMES, USA VIDEOS, USA IMAGES, USA SPORTS

WATCH USA VIDEOS AT http://news.nadagam.com

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TOPIC: Black and While programs on Color Tv
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/4832decd7595bba7?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 4:31 am
From: Bruce Esquibel

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Neither. The color burst has to be turned off for B&W programming,
> so the color killer circuit doesn't create artifacts. Stations used to
> be very careful about this, but over the years some just don't bother
> anymore.

Yeah but if they left the color burst on, it would present as a colored snow
all through the picture.

The OP is talking about a dominance of green, which I've seen too on
some B&W telecasts. I've also seen it there up to a commercial break, then
the next segment is normal.

I always figured it was something at the station rather than the print they
were using. Some peice of equipment in the chain that normalizes color or
something which needs to be turned off or bypassed for B&W shows.

-bruce
bje@ripco.com

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 6:32 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

>> The UK PAL (Phase Alternate Line) inverts the subcarrier
>> phase on alternate lines so phase distortion during transmission
>> cancells itself out - NTSC doesn't and is inherently prone to drift,
>> hence it was dubbed; Never Twice the Same Colour.

> But they traded color drift for high-brightness ficker; not necessarily
> a good choice, since the early color drift of NTSC, being due to
> equipment instabilities, was soon fixed by better gear, while PAL's
> flicker problem, having been designed in, persisted.

As far as I know, this is closer to the truth. The consensus has generally
been that Never Twice the Same Color was due to poor studio practices, not
problems inherent in NTSC. To give a small example... The early episodes of
"Barney Miller" were shot on cameras that were not properly aligned or
calibrated. This is easily visible.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 6:45 am
From: "Ian Field"

"isw" <isw@witzend.com> wrote in message
news:isw-4E35A7.20165205042011@[216.168.3.50]...
> In article <KFLmp.2976$9h6.2210@newsfe02.ams2>,
> "Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:infp1h$k9v$1@dont-email.me...
>> >> Also an artifact of NTSC -- Never The Same Colour
>> >
>> > Not true. NTSC is neither inherently inaccurate or unstable.
>>
>>
>> The UK PAL (Phase Alternate Line) inverts the subcarrier phase on
>> alternate
>> lines so phase distortion during transmission cancells itself out - NTSC
>> doesn't and is inherently prone to drift, hence it was dubbed; Never
>> Twice
>> the Same Colour.
>
> But they traded color drift for high-brightness ficker; not necessarily
> a good choice, since the early color drift of NTSC, being due to
> equipment instabilities, was soon fixed by better gear, while PAL's
> flicker problem, having been designed in, persisted.

Flicker is due to the 50Hz field rate, its only noticeable if you're used to
60Hz field rate.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 7:09 am
From: "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"

Ian Field wrote:
> Flicker is due to the 50Hz field rate, its only noticeable if you're used to
> 60Hz field rate.

Which really is a design flaw, there was nothing that required it, and a 60Hz
rate screen is not really a problem with 50Hz lighting.

The need to be synced to the power line frequency was needed in the 1930's
when the 405 line system was developed due to arc lights being used for
studio lighting. By the time PAL was developed (early 1960's) arc lights
were long gone.

It was just done to be incompatible with the US.

The US got you back, the number one design criteria of ATSC was that it was
not DVB-T compatible.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to misquote it.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 7:25 am
From: "Ian Field"

"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> wrote in message
news:slrnipospk.u4u.gsm@cable.mendelson.com...
> Ian Field wrote:
>> Flicker is due to the 50Hz field rate, its only noticeable if you're used
>> to
>> 60Hz field rate.
>
> Which really is a design flaw, there was nothing that required it, and a
> 60Hz
> rate screen is not really a problem with 50Hz lighting.
>
> The need to be synced to the power line frequency was needed in the 1930's
> when the 405 line system was developed due to arc lights being used for
> studio lighting. By the time PAL was developed (early 1960's) arc lights
> were long gone.
>
> It was just done to be incompatible with the US.

You can get tablets for that.

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TOPIC: FOR JAVA STUDENTS SPECIAL
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 6:00 am
From: reena

http://www.catchmany.com/java-j2ee-all-other-interview-questions

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TOPIC: Found: more datasheets (ftp).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/0d00193000a822b1?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 6:42 am
From: "Ian Field"

ftp://ftp.elektroda.net/pub/

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 8:16 am
From: John Ferrell

On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:42:42 +0100, "Ian Field"
<gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>
>
>ftp://ftp.elektroda.net/pub/
>
It looks very interesting but I don't believe it will let me in
without a password.
John Ferrell W8CCW

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 8:33 am
From: "Oppie"

"John Ferrell" <jferrell13@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:8r0pp69aghmidm1j26t8nb805tusudtmb7@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:42:42 +0100, "Ian Field"
> <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>ftp://ftp.elektroda.net/pub/
>>
> It looks very interesting but I don't believe it will let me in
> without a password.
> John Ferrell W8CCW
>
Could be your settings. Make sure you have passive ftp set in your browser
advanced properties.

I did get in but with this strange header:

*** Welcome to this anonymous ftp server! ***

You are user 1 out of a maximum of 0 authorized anonymous logins.
The current time here is Wed Apr 06 17:30:16 2011.
If you experience any problems here, contact : root*10.10.17.36 (@
changed to *)

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 8:38 am
From: Ralph Wade Phillips

On 4/6/2011 10:16 AM, John Ferrell wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:42:42 +0100, "Ian Field"
> <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> ftp://ftp.elektroda.net/pub/
>>
> It looks very interesting but I don't believe it will let me in
> without a password.
> John Ferrell W8CCW

Username "anonymous", email address for password (you can use
@example.com if you wish, I bet).

Works great out of IE's FTP Folder View.

RwP

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 11:37 am
From: Rich Grise

John Ferrell wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:42:42 +0100, "Ian Field"
>
>>ftp://ftp.elektroda.net/pub/
>>
> It looks very interesting but I don't believe it will let me in
> without a password.

I can open the page with Seamonkey, but what do these words mean?

Up to higher level directory
Directory: Aplikacje 08/09/2008 12:00:00 AM
Directory: Karty katalogowe 03/27/2006 12:00:00 AM
Directory: KiCADPL 01/07/2011 04:55:00 PM
Directory: Zasilacze AT i ATX 03/27/2006 12:00:00 AM
File: naglowek_230x325.tif 16864 KB 11/09/2009 12:00:00 AM

Thanks,
Rich

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 10:55 am
From: "Oppie"

try using the google translater polish to english.
Aplikacje => Applications

"Rich Grise" <richg@example.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:ini8ef$9n3$1@dont-email.me...
> John Ferrell wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:42:42 +0100, "Ian Field"
>>
>>>ftp://ftp.elektroda.net/pub/
>>>
>> It looks very interesting but I don't believe it will let me in
>> without a password.
>
> I can open the page with Seamonkey, but what do these words mean?
>
> Up to higher level directory
> Directory: Aplikacje 08/09/2008 12:00:00
> AM
> Directory: Karty katalogowe 03/27/2006 12:00:00
> AM
> Directory: KiCADPL 01/07/2011 04:55:00
> PM
> Directory: Zasilacze AT i ATX 03/27/2006 12:00:00
> AM
> File: naglowek_230x325.tif 16864 KB 11/09/2009 12:00:00
> AM
>
> Thanks,
> Rich
>
>

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TOPIC: Strangely marked BUZ Mosfet
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/aff797bedba2c908?hl=en
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 6:52 am
From: "Gareth Magennis"

Hi,

I have a Trace Elliot 300W bass amp here that uses 2 pairs of BUZ901/906
mosfets. All output devices have been resoldered or replaced at some point,
and the amp now contains 2 x BUZ901 (SML) and 2 marked STUD1P.

I've repaired a few of these in my time but never come across this marking.
Is it a Trace internal number, or have these been substituted in from
elsewhere? Are they actually BUZ906?

(One BUZ901 is blown, the other 3 check out OK on a PEAK component tester).

Cheers,

Gareth.

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 7:02 am
From: "Phil Allison"

"Gareth Magennis is a FUCKING MORON "
>
>
> I have a Trace Elliot 300W bass amp here

** I suppose you whole life is over if you tell us the fucking model number
?

> that uses 2 pairs of BUZ901/906 mosfets. All output devices have been
> resoldered or replaced at some point, and the amp now contains 2 x BUZ901
> (SML) and 2 marked STUD1P.

** The device is labelled " STUPID " ???

April 1st has gone you know.

> One BUZ901 is blown,

** I suppose your whole life depends of not telling us what YOU mean by the
word "blown" ??

Lateral MOSFETS fail ( if they fail) in a unique way - not like any
other power devices.

WHAT IS IT ???

.... Phil

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 7:33 am
From: "Gareth Magennis"

"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:903a2uFae1U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Gareth Magennis is a FUCKING MORON "
>>
>>
>> I have a Trace Elliot 300W bass amp here
>
>
> ** I suppose you whole life is over if you tell us the fucking model
> number ?
>
>
>> that uses 2 pairs of BUZ901/906 mosfets. All output devices have been
>> resoldered or replaced at some point, and the amp now contains 2 x BUZ901
>> (SML) and 2 marked STUD1P.
>
>
> ** The device is labelled " STUPID " ???
>
> April 1st has gone you know.
>
>
>> One BUZ901 is blown,
>
>
> ** I suppose your whole life depends of not telling us what YOU mean by
> the word "blown" ??
>
> Lateral MOSFETS fail ( if they fail) in a unique way - not like any
> other power devices.
>
> WHAT IS IT ???
>
>
>
>
> .... Phil
>
>
>
>

You do make me laugh, Phil.

If it matters, it is a 7215 combo, i.e. a GP7 300 Watt SM series, but I
believe all Trace Amps share the same 2 amplifier modules.
There's a Bi-polar Bear which is Bi-polar (you might like that one), or the
150/300W Mosfet board which is Mosfet. I guess the 150W one uses just 2
Mosfets and smaller PSU caps.

But the question is only about the markings on the output devices, and
whether this STUD1P device is the original Trace part or some numpty
repairman has retrofitted a dodgy part he manufactured himself in his
kitchen of took it out of a Studiomaster or summat.

Sigh.

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 7:45 am
From: "Gareth Magennis"

p.s. it has been repaired at a place I know about that is well known for
dodgy repairs, and the soldering is absolutely shocking.

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 7:46 am
From: "Phil Allison"

"Gareth Magennis is a FUCKING MORON "
>
>>> I have a Trace Elliot 300W bass amp here
>>
>>
>> ** I suppose you whole life is over if you tell us the fucking model
>> number ?
>>
>>
>>> that uses 2 pairs of BUZ901/906 mosfets. All output devices have been
>>> resoldered or replaced at some point, and the amp now contains 2 x
>>> BUZ901 (SML) and 2 marked STUD1P.
>>
>>
>> ** The device is labelled " STUPID " ???
>>
>> April 1st has gone you know.
>>
>>
>>> One BUZ901 is blown,
>>
>>
>> ** I suppose your whole life depends of not telling us what YOU mean by
>> the word "blown" ??
>>
>> Lateral MOSFETS fail ( if they fail) in a unique way - not like any
>> other power devices.
>>
>> WHAT IS IT ???
>>
>
> You do make me laugh, Phil.

** You make everybody puke.

You colossal TURD !!

> If it matters,

** Of COURSE it fucking matters !!!!!!!!!!

> it is a 7215 combo, i.e. a GP7 300 Watt SM series,

** So now folk can look up the thing in their files -

YOU FUCKING TENTH WIT !!!!!!!!!!!

> But the question is only about the markings on the output devices, and
> whether this STUD1P device is the original Trace part or some numpty
> repairman has retrofitted a dodgy part he manufactured himself in his
> kitchen of took it out of a Studiomaster or summat.

** Who fucking cares ?

If you do not know how to test it - you are an absolute ASS.

Now - answer my fucking QUESTION !!

Go back - read my posts ten times AND you just might see there IS one.

You steaming great pommy FUCKWIT !!

.... Phil

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 7:56 am
From: "Gareth Magennis"

"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:903clgFtn9U1@mid.individual.net...
> "Gareth Magennis is a FUCKING MORON "
>>
>>>> I have a Trace Elliot 300W bass amp here
>>>
>>>
>>> ** I suppose you whole life is over if you tell us the fucking model
>>> number ?
>>>
>>>
>>>> that uses 2 pairs of BUZ901/906 mosfets. All output devices have been
>>>> resoldered or replaced at some point, and the amp now contains 2 x
>>>> BUZ901 (SML) and 2 marked STUD1P.
>>>
>>>
>>> ** The device is labelled " STUPID " ???
>>>
>>> April 1st has gone you know.
>>>
>>>
>>>> One BUZ901 is blown,
>>>
>>>
>>> ** I suppose your whole life depends of not telling us what YOU mean by
>>> the word "blown" ??
>>>
>>> Lateral MOSFETS fail ( if they fail) in a unique way - not like any
>>> other power devices.
>>>
>>> WHAT IS IT ???
>>>
>>
>> You do make me laugh, Phil.
>
>
> ** You make everybody puke.
>
> You colossal TURD !!
>
>
>> If it matters,
>
> ** Of COURSE it fucking matters !!!!!!!!!!
>
>> it is a 7215 combo, i.e. a GP7 300 Watt SM series,
>
>
> ** So now folk can look up the thing in their files -
>
> YOU FUCKING TENTH WIT !!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>> But the question is only about the markings on the output devices, and
>> whether this STUD1P device is the original Trace part or some numpty
>> repairman has retrofitted a dodgy part he manufactured himself in his
>> kitchen of took it out of a Studiomaster or summat.
>
>
> ** Who fucking cares ?
>
> If you do not know how to test it - you are an absolute ASS.
>
> Now - answer my fucking QUESTION !!
>
> Go back - read my posts ten times AND you just might see there IS
> one.
>
> You steaming great pommy FUCKWIT !!
>
>
>
> .... Phil
>
>

I've already told you I tested the MOSFETS with a PEAK component analyser.

There, I've done it again, it says "P-channel MOSFET". The blown one says
"NO VALID PART FOUND".

You don't happen to know if this STUP1D Mosfet is a BUZ906 by any chance?

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 8:02 am
From: "Phil Allison"

"Gareth Magennis is a FUCKING MORON "
>
>>
>> ** Who fucking cares ?
>>
>> If you do not know how to test it - you are an absolute ASS.
>>
>> Now - answer my fucking QUESTION !!
>>
>> Go back - read my posts ten times AND you just might see there IS
>> one.
>>
>> You steaming great pommy FUCKWIT !!
>
>
> I've already told you I tested the MOSFETS with a PEAK component analyser.

** You are one LYING POMMY CUNT !

QUOTE:

"One BUZ901 is blown, the other 3 check out OK on a PEAK component tester ".

So - SOMEHOW you think the BUZ901 is 'blown".

But you do not say WHY or how you know !!!!!!!!!

Do you own a fucking multimeter ?

Got the slightest fucking idea how to use it??

Obviously NOT.

.... Phil

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 8:12 am
From: "Phil Allison"

"Gareth Magennis is a Steaming Great TURD "

>
> You don't happen to know if this STUP1D Mosfet is a BUZ906 by any chance?

** You just changed the part number.

Stupid.

.... Phil

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 7:13 am
From: "N_Cook"

Gareth Magennis <sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:p-SdnRAdzr627QHQnZ2dnUVZ8oydnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hi,
>
> I have a Trace Elliot 300W bass amp here that uses 2 pairs of BUZ901/906
> mosfets. All output devices have been resoldered or replaced at some
point,
> and the amp now contains 2 x BUZ901 (SML) and 2 marked STUD1P.
>
> I've repaired a few of these in my time but never come across this
marking.
> Is it a Trace internal number, or have these been substituted in from
> elsewhere? Are they actually BUZ906?
>
> (One BUZ901 is blown, the other 3 check out OK on a PEAK component
tester).
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Gareth.
>
>

While at it toroidal mains Tx ? any inrush limitation ? no ken those
markings.
Trace Elliot GP12 SMX, 1998 300W bass amp last week PA was marked "Bipolar
Bear" on overlay and devices under spring clips, not seen , but checked out
as BCE npn & pnp devices

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 10:35 am
From: Meat Plow

On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 15:45:02 +0100, Gareth Magennis wrote:

> p.s. it has been repaired at a place I know about that is well known for
> dodgy repairs, and the soldering is absolutely shocking.

Why not just replace all 4 with known pairs? TT manufactures
a bunch of different audio mosfet devices
http://www.semelab.com/magnatec/alfet.shtml

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 10:51 am
From: "Gareth Magennis"

"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ini43d$nfo$1@dont-email.me...
> Gareth Magennis <sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in message
> news:p-SdnRAdzr627QHQnZ2dnUVZ8oydnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a Trace Elliot 300W bass amp here that uses 2 pairs of BUZ901/906
>> mosfets. All output devices have been resoldered or replaced at some
> point,
>> and the amp now contains 2 x BUZ901 (SML) and 2 marked STUD1P.
>>
>> I've repaired a few of these in my time but never come across this
> marking.
>> Is it a Trace internal number, or have these been substituted in from
>> elsewhere? Are they actually BUZ906?
>>
>> (One BUZ901 is blown, the other 3 check out OK on a PEAK component
> tester).
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gareth.
>>
>>
>
>
> While at it toroidal mains Tx ? any inrush limitation ? no ken those
> markings.
> Trace Elliot GP12 SMX, 1998 300W bass amp last week PA was marked "Bipolar
> Bear" on overlay and devices under spring clips, not seen , but checked
> out
> as BCE npn & pnp devices
>
>

Toroid, will get back to you tomorrow with the rest.

Gareth.

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TOPIC: How-To: Common Cause Of Flat Panel PS Failure
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/ff5b6703ec041dcc?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 10:05 am
From: Meat Plow

On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 22:46:50 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

> Meat Plow wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 12:43:52 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>> > Bob Villa wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 4, 6:31 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Bob Villa wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > On Apr 1, 6:51 pm, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> >> > > <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> > > > Bob Villa wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > > > On Mar 31, 6:20 pm, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> >> > > > > <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > > > > > Hey Mike when can I expect this PSU to fail...a few
>> >> > > > > > > years from now? Thanks for your gracious responses.
>> >> >
>> >> > > > > > When can you post a real question?
>> >> >
>> >> > > > > Alas, the mastertech doesn't understand sarcasm.
>> >> >
>> >> > > > You can't even do sarcasm well, and I'm not being
>> >> > > > sarcastic.
>> >> >
>> >> > > > --
>> >> > > > You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid on it,
>> >> > > > because it's Teflon coated.
>> >> >
>> >> > > The only thing you do well...other than being a critic...is
>> >> > > please yourself.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yawn. I built KU band communications equiment that is aboard
>> >> > the
>> >> > ISS, and all you do is whine.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid on it, because
>> >> > it's Teflon coated.
>> >>
>> >> Holy Crap! I must have cut you deep...now you need to brag. I am so
>> >> impressed...especially how you belittle people instead of helping
>> >> them.
>> >
>> >
>> > Sigh. You don't want help. You were bragging about your 'fix'.
>> > I
>> > have helped thousands of people over the last 45 years, but only
>> > those that wanted help.
>>
>> Villa is a troll. He trolls alt.home.repair with the same bullshit.
>> Probably a few others too.
>
>
> He's not even a decent troll.

I only used "troll" because it was the closest thing to what he does I
could think of. I think the whole story was made up.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

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