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Today's topics:

* another puzzler - 8 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/b80657d8be4c22cd?hl=en
* Recycling electronic waste. - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/da679f4848b11be7?hl=en
* Tektronix 475 sweep triger repair?? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/3c588027fdccde25?hl=en
* an improved electrical resistor - 4 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/992c384af74243b1?hl=en
* Ain't he just MORONIC !! - 7 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/f8481990f5c47309?hl=en
* Where is Klem ?? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/e9ebb396f18b6ba5?hl=en
* Can a microwave oven have its output imited? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/956ea2dbdf891e16?hl=en

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TOPIC: another puzzler
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/b80657d8be4c22cd?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 1:01 pm
From: Carey Carlan

spam@spam.com (Don Pearce) wrote in news:4dd0c3d7.381246241
@news.eternal-september.org:

> That isn't the final situation. I will take this a step at a time.
>
> There are three doors - one with a car, two with goats
>
> I choose one. I have a 1 in 3 chance of being right
>
> That means there is a 2 in 3 chance of the car being in the other two
>
> I know for a fact that at least one of the other two is a goat.
>
> That does not change the odds - it is still 2 in 3 that the car is in
> one of those
>
> The host shows me one of the two - one he knows to contain a goat.
>
> This is not new information, I knew there was a goat there, I still
> know there was a goat there.
>
> The odds are still 2 in 3 that the car is in one of those two doors.

Stop there.
No, I didn't know there was a goat THERE. I knew there was a goat
behind at least one of the door besides the one I chose, but I didn't
know which one. Now a variable is removed from the equation.

Revealing a goat behind a door doesn't change the odds?
Of course it does.
Otherwise, revealing the car behind a door also wouldn't change the
odds.

Once the host has revealed a goat, then there's an even chance that the
car is behind one of the two remaining doors--and I have no information
either way (unless you're counting the psychological factors) that the
door I chose is or is not the correct one.

Not trying to be argumentative, but I still don't see the logic.

> But now those 2 in 3 odds have been concentrated into the one
> remaining door of the two, which I will open because that is better
> than the 1 in 3 chance of it being my first choice.
>
> d

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 1:05 pm
From: Carey Carlan

spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1888@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c5220357-4ddd-43ac-935c-fc50796b2c9d@z15g2000prn.googlegroups.com:

>> Just as in flipping coins.
>> Getting 5 heads in a row is 1/32.
>> But getting the 5th head after already getting 4 is still 1/2.
>
> The big difference: In the Monty Hall problem there is only one "coin
> flip". Only one random choice is made -- the first choice of a door.
> In the coin flip situation, there are five coin flips, five random
> choices.
>
> Now, in contrast, if the car and remaining goats were randomly
> shuffled after each goat door was revealed, then the situation would
> be different. But in the MHP problem the car does not move.

Still trying to get my head around this.

How would shuffling unknown values affect my choice? If I didn't know
before and you shuffle the choices, it's still a random choice on my part.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 1:05 pm
From: spam@spam.com (Don Pearce)

On Tue, 17 May 2011 20:01:06 GMT, Carey Carlan <gulfjoe@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>spam@spam.com (Don Pearce) wrote in news:4dd0c3d7.381246241
>@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> That isn't the final situation. I will take this a step at a time.
>>
>> There are three doors - one with a car, two with goats
>>
>> I choose one. I have a 1 in 3 chance of being right
>>
>> That means there is a 2 in 3 chance of the car being in the other two
>>
>> I know for a fact that at least one of the other two is a goat.
>>
>> That does not change the odds - it is still 2 in 3 that the car is in
>> one of those
>>
>> The host shows me one of the two - one he knows to contain a goat.
>>
>> This is not new information, I knew there was a goat there, I still
>> know there was a goat there.
>>
>> The odds are still 2 in 3 that the car is in one of those two doors.
>
>Stop there.
>No, I didn't know there was a goat THERE. I knew there was a goat
>behind at least one of the door besides the one I chose, but I didn't
>know which one. Now a variable is removed from the equation.
>
>Revealing a goat behind a door doesn't change the odds?
>Of course it does.
>Otherwise, revealing the car behind a door also wouldn't change the
>odds.
>
>Once the host has revealed a goat, then there's an even chance that the
>car is behind one of the two remaining doors--and I have no information
>either way (unless you're counting the psychological factors) that the
>door I chose is or is not the correct one.
>
>Not trying to be argumentative, but I still don't see the logic.
>
>> But now those 2 in 3 odds have been concentrated into the one
>> remaining door of the two, which I will open because that is better
>> than the 1 in 3 chance of it being my first choice.
>>
>> d

Sorry, but if you don't get it by now, you simply aren't going to.
Give up and try something else.

d

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 5:33 pm
From: philicorda

On Tue, 17 May 2011 20:05:34 +0000, Carey Carlan wrote:

> spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1888@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:c5220357-4ddd-43ac-935c-fc50796b2c9d@z15g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
>
>>> Just as in flipping coins.
>>> Getting 5 heads in a row is 1/32.
>>> But getting the 5th head after already getting 4 is still 1/2.
>>
>> The big difference: In the Monty Hall problem there is only one "coin
>> flip". Only one random choice is made -- the first choice of a door. In
>> the coin flip situation, there are five coin flips, five random
>> choices.
>>
>> Now, in contrast, if the car and remaining goats were randomly shuffled
>> after each goat door was revealed, then the situation would be
>> different. But in the MHP problem the car does not move.
>
> Still trying to get my head around this.
>
> How would shuffling unknown values affect my choice? If I didn't know
> before and you shuffle the choices, it's still a random choice on my
> part.

The host acts as a leak of information. It might help to imagine an
alternate game, where the host does not know the contents of the doors,
and the game is void if the host reveals the car. This version puts you
back to 50/50 when the host reveals a goat, whether you switch doors or
not.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 7:29 pm
From: "David"

"philicorda" wrote in message
news:EtEAp.608$Ky.286@newsfe24.ams2...

On Tue, 17 May 2011 20:05:34 +0000, Carey Carlan wrote:

> spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1888@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:c5220357-4ddd-43ac-935c-fc50796b2c9d@z15g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
>
>>> Just as in flipping coins.
>>> Getting 5 heads in a row is 1/32.
>>> But getting the 5th head after already getting 4 is still
>>> 1/2.
>>
>> The big difference: In the Monty Hall problem there is only
>> one "coin
>> flip". Only one random choice is made -- the first choice of a
>> door. In
>> the coin flip situation, there are five coin flips, five
>> random
>> choices.
>>
>> Now, in contrast, if the car and remaining goats were randomly
>> shuffled
>> after each goat door was revealed, then the situation would be
>> different. But in the MHP problem the car does not move.
>
> Still trying to get my head around this.
>
> How would shuffling unknown values affect my choice? If I
> didn't know
> before and you shuffle the choices, it's still a random choice
> on my
> part.

The host acts as a leak of information. It might help to imagine
an
alternate game, where the host does not know the contents of the
doors,
and the game is void if the host reveals the car. This version
puts you
back to 50/50 when the host reveals a goat, whether you switch
doors or
not.
***
Not true. When the host reveals a goat whether he guessed or knew
it was there makes absolutely no difference. You should still
switch doors.

David

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 7:43 pm
From: Randy Yates

On 05/14/2011 06:48 AM, Arny Krueger wrote:
> "spamtrap1888"<spamtrap1888@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dd7c10fd-38c7-43e2-9db6-5c4e25f4a946@35g2000prp.googlegroups.com
>
>> Declaring that there is no connection between the two
>> situations is the source of the poster's error. Monty
>> Hall knew if the player was correct or not, and so the
>> player's choice of the door in the first round
>> influenced the selection of the goat door. The graphic
>> helps you understand that there are still three scenarios
>> once a goat door has been revealed.
>
> I get it now.

I think, several years ago when I originally saw this, I
argued as vehemently as you, Arny. It is extremely counter-intuitive,
which goes to show intuition isn't always right!
--
Randy Yates % "Watching all the days go by...
Digital Signal Labs % Who are you and who am I?"
mailto://yates@ieee.org % 'Mission (A World Record)',
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com % *A New World Record*, ELO

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 8:34 pm
From: Smitty Two

In article <Xns9EE8A2F09EC57carlan@69.16.186.52>,
Carey Carlan <gulfjoe@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Not trying to be argumentative, but I still don't see the logic.

The visual explanations on the web make it rather easy to see, no pun
intended. I posted a link earlier, so did others.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 10:11 pm
From: spam@spam.com (Don Pearce)

On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:29:45 -0500, "David" <someone@somewhere.com>
wrote:

>"philicorda" wrote in message
>news:EtEAp.608$Ky.286@newsfe24.ams2...
>
>On Tue, 17 May 2011 20:05:34 +0000, Carey Carlan wrote:
>
>> spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1888@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:c5220357-4ddd-43ac-935c-fc50796b2c9d@z15g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>>> Just as in flipping coins.
>>>> Getting 5 heads in a row is 1/32.
>>>> But getting the 5th head after already getting 4 is still
>>>> 1/2.
>>>
>>> The big difference: In the Monty Hall problem there is only
>>> one "coin
>>> flip". Only one random choice is made -- the first choice of a
>>> door. In
>>> the coin flip situation, there are five coin flips, five
>>> random
>>> choices.
>>>
>>> Now, in contrast, if the car and remaining goats were randomly
>>> shuffled
>>> after each goat door was revealed, then the situation would be
>>> different. But in the MHP problem the car does not move.
>>
>> Still trying to get my head around this.
>>
>> How would shuffling unknown values affect my choice? If I
>> didn't know
>> before and you shuffle the choices, it's still a random choice
>> on my
>> part.
>
>The host acts as a leak of information. It might help to imagine
>an
>alternate game, where the host does not know the contents of the
>doors,
>and the game is void if the host reveals the car. This version
>puts you
>back to 50/50 when the host reveals a goat, whether you switch
>doors or
>not.
>***
>Not true. When the host reveals a goat whether he guessed or knew
>it was there makes absolutely no difference. You should still
>switch doors.
>
>David
>

If the host does not know, he might quite as easily reveal the car.
You then can't win it. Do you guarantee yourself 2/3 odds by switching
then? No. If the host reveals a goat by chance, the odds do indeed
drop to 50/50.

d

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TOPIC: Recycling electronic waste.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/da679f4848b11be7?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 1:28 pm
From: "Ian Field"

Taking your e-waste to the council tip doesn't allways mean it will be
recycled in a lawful manner!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0116gw0/Panorama_Track_My_Trash/

Most UK council tips are actually contracted out and the contractor has to
sell anything anyone will buy to pay for disposal of the WEEE waste and the
home & garden waste in the compacter skips.

Budgets are unsurprisingly rather tight and WEEE disposal invariably ends up
with the lowest bidder - who most likely exports it to W. Africa.

There is a way you can at least delay your unwanted items entry into the
scrap system; you can get rid of almost anything on freegle or freecycle,
although its good form to indicate if an item is not working such as needs
att'n or spares or repair.

If you want to sell the item there's allways Swapshop.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 3:19 pm
From: John Larkin

On Tue, 17 May 2011 21:28:46 +0100, "Ian Field"
<gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>Taking your e-waste to the council tip doesn't allways mean it will be
>recycled in a lawful manner!
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0116gw0/Panorama_Track_My_Trash/
>
>
>Most UK council tips are actually contracted out and the contractor has to
>sell anything anyone will buy to pay for disposal of the WEEE waste and the
>home & garden waste in the compacter skips.
>
>Budgets are unsurprisingly rather tight and WEEE disposal invariably ends up
>with the lowest bidder - who most likely exports it to W. Africa.
>
>There is a way you can at least delay your unwanted items entry into the
>scrap system; you can get rid of almost anything on freegle or freecycle,
>although its good form to indicate if an item is not working such as needs
>att'n or spares or repair.
>
>If you want to sell the item there's allways Swapshop.
>

Do you separate your household trash? We have three bins, wheelie
things, for trash, recycling, and compost. But hazardous materials
(batteries, chemicals, paint, CF lamps) aren't supposed to go in any
of those. We save them up and take them to a disposal center.

John

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TOPIC: Tektronix 475 sweep triger repair??
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/3c588027fdccde25?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 2:31 pm
From: Jim Yanik

PeterD <peter2@hipson.net> wrote in news:iqu9br$21rd$1@pyrite.mv.net:

> On 5/17/2011 10:43 AM, abrsvc wrote:
>> On May 17, 9:25 am, k...@msbx.net wrote:
>>> I have a older TEKTRONIX 475 Oscilloscope that needs repair, the
>>> sweep will not trigger either channel 1 or 2, it auto sweeps fine.
>>> I have checked& re-plugged all connections possible with no
>>> improvement.. Might anyone have any suggestions as to a potential.
>>> reasonable, cheep, repair, recalibrating person in the central
>>> Michigan area? I have checked with Tektronix repair locations in
>>> the north east USA but there minim prices are in the high hundreds
>>> just to check it out.
>>>
>>> *********************************
>>> Thank you. k...@msbx.net
>>
>> If you have repair experience yourself, you may want to search for
>> the service manual for the 475. I was able to locate on for my 2445B
>> scope. I have seen tehse on Ebay and Craigslist.
>>
>> Dan
>
> Also a post on the Yahoo Tek group would be very, very valuable.
>

next question would be;does it externally trigger?
It could be a blown trigger input FET(matched pair),a bad trigger amp
IC(155-0032-xx)
You could swap parts from B trigger.Use anti-static protection.

Hopefully,it's not a Peltola center pin foldover.
(mini coax cable center conductor folded over when reinserting the
connector into the socket,a common occurrence,and an easy mistake to make.)

Does auto sweep trigger or only free run?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

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TOPIC: an improved electrical resistor
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/992c384af74243b1?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 3:23 pm
From: mm

On Tue, 17 May 2011 19:04:15 +0200, Sjouke Burry
<burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> wrote:

>mm wrote:
>> Middle sentence of second paragraph is the most relevant.
>>
>>
>> Otis Frank Boykin was born in 1920 in Dallas, Texas. His mother was a
>> homemaker and his father was a carpenter. He worked as a laboratory
>> assistant at the nearby University's aerospace laboratory. Otis
>> attended Fisk University and Illinois Institute of Technology, but
>> dropped out after two years because his parents could not afford his
>> tuition.
>>
>> Boykin, in his lifetime, ultimately invented more than 25 electronic
>> devices. One of his early inventions was an improved electrical
>> resistor for computers, radios, televisions and an assortment of other
>> electronic devices. Other notable inventions include a variable
>> resistor used in guided missiles and small component thick-film
>> resistors for computers.[2]
>>
>> ---------------
>>
>> So how can one improve an electrical resistor?
>!:better stability
>2:lower temperature coefficient
>3:mechanically stronger.
>4:Less ageing.
>5:higher admissable peak voltage/current.

I must have really low standards if I didnt think of any of these.
My ex-girlfriend tells me that's what I have.
>
>Warn us when you produce something like that.....

Okay.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 3:28 pm
From: mm

On Tue, 17 May 2011 12:23:22 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
<spamtrap1888@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 17, 3:41 am, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> Middle sentence of second paragraph is the most relevant.
>>
>> Otis Frank Boykin was born in 1920 in Dallas, Texas. His mother was a
>> homemaker and his father was a carpenter. He worked as a laboratory
>> assistant at the nearby University's aerospace laboratory. Otis
>> attended Fisk University and Illinois Institute of Technology, but
>> dropped out after two years because his parents could not afford his
>> tuition.
>>
>
>This is a bit misleading, because Boykin was a grad student at IIT
>from 1946 to 1947.

So he had graduated from Fisk. Yes, definitely misleading. Although
now I do see that it could mean what you say , I thought he only had
two years of post-high school. Six years is a lot more. Wikipedia
often has paragraphs out of chronlogical order and hard to follow, or
even conflicting paragraphs, written by different people, I guess.

> Around that time, he formed the Boykin-Fruth
>corporation with fellow inventor Hal Frederick Fruth, PhD. (Dr. Fruth,
>a physicist, was perhaps best known today for telling W. Edwards
>Deming that Western Electric might pay him as much as $5000 a year
>when he got his PhD, but that they were looking for men who would be
>worth $50K a year to them.)

Hmmm.

Thanks all.

Boykin was black, btw. Fisk is a historically black college.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 4:12 pm
From: spamtrap1888

On May 17, 3:28 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>
> Boykin was black, btw.  Fisk is a historically black college.

There are a lot of hits for him in "famous black people" sites, some
of which make a variety of improbable claims*. He did receive a dozen
patents, mostly for CTS (originally Chicago Telephone Supply). When
CTS moved to Indiana, Boykin stayed in Chicago -- perhaps educated
blacks weren't welcome in Indiana**. One patent lists his address as
8251 S. Maryland, which I note is a three-flat according to the pic at
the Cook County assessor site.

*Improbable that Boykin invented the pacemaker or a guided missile, or
that pot fueled his inventiveness.

**Pioneer hormone synthesizer, Percy Julian, had to leave Indiana to
find work, ending up at the Glidden Paint company in Chicago.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 5:49 pm
From: mm

On Tue, 17 May 2011 16:12:40 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
<spamtrap1888@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 17, 3:28 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Boykin was black, btw.  Fisk is a historically black college.
>
>There are a lot of hits for him in "famous black people" sites, some
>of which make a variety of improbable claims*. He did receive a dozen
>patents, mostly for CTS (originally Chicago Telephone Supply). When
>CTS moved to Indiana, Boykin stayed in Chicago -- perhaps educated
>blacks weren't welcome in Indiana**.

The Klan was big in parts of Indiana, mostly the southern half. While
schools in Indianapolis weren't officially segregated against Blacks,
they created a high school just for Blacks to suck up most of them and
keep them out of the other schools, and black students from other high
schools were forced to attend Crispus Attucks H.S. It accepted its
first white students in 1967.

>One patent lists his address as
>8251 S. Maryland, which I note is a three-flat according to the pic at
>the Cook County assessor site.
>
>*Improbable that Boykin invented the pacemaker or a guided missile,

It didn't say that in the wikip page,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otis_Boykin only that he invented a
valuable part.

It shows "An ink drawing of Otis Boykin from a U.S. Department of
Energy biographical sketch of 1979." on which is written "Electronic
Devices for heart stimulators and guided missiles.

>or
>that pot fueled his inventiveness.

LOL I think pot refers to potentiometer. "Other notable inventions
include a variable resistor used in guided missiles"
>
>**Pioneer hormone synthesizer, Percy Julian, had to leave Indiana to
>find work, ending up at the Glidden Paint company in Chicago.

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TOPIC: Ain't he just MORONIC !!
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/f8481990f5c47309?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 4:01 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Mon, 16 May 2011 11:24:40 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:

> "Meat Plow"
>
>
> ** This FUCKWIT troll needs to be kicked off usenet.
>
> Who will help ?

Please make your complaints to support@altopia.com
and forward the offensive posts along with full headers.

Have a rotten day Phil.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 4:03 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Sun, 15 May 2011 20:28:54 -0400, Jamie wrote:

> Meat Plow wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 May 2011 17:37:16 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>"William Sommerwanker"
>>>
>>>>>>"Meat Plow"
>>>>
>>>>>** This trolling asshole is a narcissistic psychopath.
>>>>
>>>>> He knows nothing and understands even less. I want the lunatic jerk
>>>>> kicked right off usenet. Who will help me ?
>>>>
>>>>If the "lunatic jerk" you're referring to is yourself... I'd say
>>>>everyone in
>>>>this group.
>>>
>>>
>>>** Ain't it just amazing !!
>>>
>>>If you go after ONE troll, the rest of the cunts come in and gang up
>>>on you.
>>>
>>>So you gotta take the WHOLE lot on, all at once.
>>>
>>>What a bunch of gutless, fascist pricks they are.
>>
>>
>> You don't have what it takes to take on me. I rip you apart anytime you
>> fly off the handle with your vulgar, threatening reply traps.
>>
>> You are the epitome of the word Troll.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Fighting a battle of wits does not help you much, especially when
> your aponent is unarmed!
>
> Jamie

I don't consider this a fight or battle. If it offends you simply ignore
my posts.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 4:07 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Mon, 16 May 2011 03:13:29 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

> Phil Allison wrote:
>>
>> "Meat Plow"
>>
>> ** This FUCKWIT troll needs to be kicked off usenet.
>>
>> Who will help ?
>
>
> No one will lift a finger to help you, Phyllis.

I will. Phil, just forward my posts to support@altopia.com
with complete headers. That's really all you can do unless
you plan a trip to Ohio to blow my brains out. Here's some
friendly advise, buy a one way ticket.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 4:09 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Mon, 16 May 2011 11:23:27 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:

> "Meat Plow"
>
>
> ** This FUCKWIT troll needs to be kicked off usenet.
>
> Who will help ?
>
>
> ..... Phil

For the fourth time today I will gladly help you kick me off
Usenet. Forward the posts you feel justify my removal from
Usenet to Chris Caputo - support@altopia.com along with complete
headers. That is all you can do unless you come to Ohio and kill me.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 4:11 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Tue, 17 May 2011 08:12:37 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> On Tue, 17 May 2011 08:17:49 +0100, Ian Jackson
> <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Is there going to be a prize for suggesting the most obscure (but
>>effective) way of determining the phasing?
>
> Plug in both earphones or speakers with random wiring and play something
> in stereo. If it sounds right, you're done. If the orchestra sounds
> like a ping pong game, switch polarity on one earphone or speaker. If
> you can't tell the difference, replace the listener and try again. I
> hate to admit it, but I've done it this way a few times. I'll accept my
> price in US dollars.

If you can actually see the driver diaphragm hook up a AAA cell to the
leads coming from the drive and watch the motion. No different than
phasing regular speakers.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 4:19 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Mon, 16 May 2011 11:26:18 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:

> "Meat Plow"
>
>
> ** This FUCKWIT troll needs to be kicked off usenet.
>
> Who will help ?
>
>
>
> ..... Phil

For the fifth time, send email with headers of my posts
you find offensive to support@altopia.com. I'll be happy
to help you get me kicked off Usenet Phil.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 5:27 pm
From: John Fields

On Tue, 17 May 2011 23:07:00 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow
<mhywattt@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 16 May 2011 03:13:29 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
>> Phil Allison wrote:
>>>
>>> "Meat Plow"
>>>
>>> ** This FUCKWIT troll needs to be kicked off usenet.
>>>
>>> Who will help ?
>>
>>
>> No one will lift a finger to help you, Phyllis.
>
>I will. Phil, just forward my posts to support@altopia.com
>with complete headers. That's really all you can do unless
>you plan a trip to Ohio to blow my brains out. Here's some
>friendly advise, buy a one way ticket.

---
Why do you want to take a sad song and not make it better?

Phil's not so bad, he just has zero tolerance for bullshit and
responds vehemently when he sees it.

What's wrong with that?

--
JF

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TOPIC: Where is Klem ??
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/e9ebb396f18b6ba5?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 4:17 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Mon, 16 May 2011 03:09:03 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

> Phil Allison wrote:
>>
>> "klem kedidelhopper"
>>
>> > So according to you Phil, one needs to be "an obvious six toed, banjo
>> > plucking retard" in order to appreciate what a chemical fuse is?
>>
>> ** Not what I posted at all.
>>
>> Only the BIGGEST liars post their OWN words and then argue with them.
>>
>> > I never learned about six toes, banjos, etc in electronics school.
>>
>> ** Because Klem is a congenital fuckwit and never went to school.
>>
>> ( snip rest of this anencephalic's absurd drivel )
>
>
> You are the most useless idiot on usenet.

Are some idiots more useful than others?

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 4:30 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Meat Plow wrote:
>
> On Mon, 16 May 2011 03:09:03 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> > Phil Allison wrote:
> >>
> >> "klem kedidelhopper"
> >>
> >> > So according to you Phil, one needs to be "an obvious six toed, banjo
> >> > plucking retard" in order to appreciate what a chemical fuse is?
> >>
> >> ** Not what I posted at all.
> >>
> >> Only the BIGGEST liars post their OWN words and then argue with them.
> >>
> >> > I never learned about six toes, banjos, etc in electronics school.
> >>
> >> ** Because Klem is a congenital fuckwit and never went to school.
> >>
> >> ( snip rest of this anencephalic's absurd drivel )
> >
> >
> > You are the most useless idiot on usenet.
>
> Are some idiots more useful than others?

Yes, if you are rendering them for lard. :)

--
It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.

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TOPIC: Can a microwave oven have its output imited?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/956ea2dbdf891e16?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 17 2011 7:56 pm
From: "hrhofmann@att.net"

On May 17, 11:10 am, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgee...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Jim Yanik" <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote in message
>
> news:Xns9EE874DE4C417jyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.44...
>
> >> 1 second seems pretty excessive. I don't recall what the timing
> >> cycle on the Tappan ones were, but it was less than a minute
> >> for sure, but not every few seconds.
>
> The problem -- as I've repeatedly stated -- is that if the "on" part of the
> variable-power cycle is more than a few seconds -- possibly as short as 5
> seconds, and /definitely/ 10 -- you're going to have localized boiling.
>
> I occasionally see the oven's lights changing brightness, and hearing
> various "cycling" noises. I'm going to have to check into this...

Our Panasonic cycles in the 5 - 15 second range.

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