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* Can a microwave oven have its output imited? - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/956ea2dbdf891e16?hl=en
* Fuck OFF TROLL - 9 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/f8481990f5c47309?hl=en
* another puzzler - 6 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/b80657d8be4c22cd?hl=en
* Where is Klem ?? - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/e9ebb396f18b6ba5?hl=en
* Is MTS audio a victim of the latest cable company upgrading? - 4 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/60a2fa68004f3c17?hl=en

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TOPIC: Can a microwave oven have its output imited?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/956ea2dbdf891e16?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 6:09 pm
From: klem kedidelhopper

On May 15, 5:37 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> mike wrote:
>
> > n...@jecarter.us wrote:
> > > On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:35:51 -0400, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > >> Can a microwave oven have its output controlled, limited, by something
> > >> like adjusting the AGC on a TV?   Or on combo devices, radio,
> > >> cassette, CD, tv, there is usually a pot on each of those, adjusted so
> > >> the volume stays the same when one changes functions.
>
> > >> I didn't like my old small microwave oven because it was so small, and
> > >> I also had to cook longer than instructions said, because it was low
> > >> power.  (So I was in the habit of mulitplying the time given by 1.1 or
> > >> 1.3, but I was hoping not to have to do that anymore.)
>
> > >> Now I have a new, one-year old, full-size Sharp microwave -- I can
> > >> provide the model number if it matters -- and it is too powerful.
> > >> Things cooked in their packages according to instructions have their
> > >> water boiling over and taking some of the food with it, and I presume
> > >> other food is being cooked more than instructions or recipes call for.
>
> > >> It has a power control that will lower the power by 10% for every push
> > >> of the button, but I would have to use that button every time.
>
> > >> Is there any chance I can turn the full power down by 10%, for every
> > >> use?
>
> > >> (As an aside, it's interesting that on 90% power, for example, I can
> > >> tell when the microwave part is functioning because it makes more
> > >> noise during the 90% than the 10% of the time.  The old no-name-brand
> > >> only had one other power level, Defrost, but it made the same noise
> > >> all the time, and to see how much of the time it was making heat, I
> > >> had to turn on a nearby AM radio and tune to a weak or no station, and
> > >> listen to the radiation from the microwave.)
>
> > > The "power control" is a "per cent on" control.  90% for one minute
> > > means the unit runs at full power for .9 * 60 seconds or 54 seconds,
> > > usually in semi-equal segments such as on 18 seconds, off 2 seconds or
> > > on 9 seconds, off 1 second.
>
> > > John
> > I've got the same problem, but need more like 50%.
> > I'd considered adding another cap at half the value.
> > Not sure how to to the HV switching safely with affordable
> > components.
>
>    Just program the cook power, or get a smaller oven.  The power supply
> in a microwave can kill you in a heartbeat.
>
> --
> You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
> Teflon coated.

I was just reading this thread and it brought a question to mind. What
if theoretically speaking you dropped the line voltage to the HV
circuit but not the control section? This would reduce both the
filament voltage as well as the HV secondary voltage on the
transformer. The result I would think would be a reduction in output
power, wouldn't it? Lenny

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 8:15 pm
From: spamtrap1888

On May 14, 11:35 am, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> Can a microwave oven have its output controlled, limited, by something
> like adjusting the AGC on a TV?   Or on combo devices, radio,
> cassette, CD, tv, there is usually a pot on each of those, adjusted so
> the volume stays the same when one changes functions.
>
> I didn't like my old small microwave oven because it was so small, and
> I also had to cook longer than instructions said, because it was low
> power.  (So I was in the habit of mulitplying the time given by 1.1 or
> 1.3, but I was hoping not to have to do that anymore.)
>
> Now I have a new, one-year old, full-size Sharp microwave -- I can
> provide the model number if it matters -- and it is too powerful.
> Things cooked in their packages according to instructions have their
> water boiling over and taking some of the food with it, and I presume
> other food is being cooked more than instructions or recipes call for.

Take it back and buy one that puts out the power level your recipes
call for.

But beware: we have an 800 watt oven that used to be compatible with
recipes, but now all the recipes are for 1100 watts.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, May 16 2011 12:09 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

klem kedidelhopper wrote:
>
> On May 15, 5:37 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > mike wrote:
> >
> > > n...@jecarter.us wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:35:51 -0400, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com>
> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > >> Can a microwave oven have its output controlled, limited, by something
> > > >> like adjusting the AGC on a TV? Or on combo devices, radio,
> > > >> cassette, CD, tv, there is usually a pot on each of those, adjusted so
> > > >> the volume stays the same when one changes functions.
> >
> > > >> I didn't like my old small microwave oven because it was so small, and
> > > >> I also had to cook longer than instructions said, because it was low
> > > >> power. (So I was in the habit of mulitplying the time given by 1.1 or
> > > >> 1.3, but I was hoping not to have to do that anymore.)
> >
> > > >> Now I have a new, one-year old, full-size Sharp microwave -- I can
> > > >> provide the model number if it matters -- and it is too powerful.
> > > >> Things cooked in their packages according to instructions have their
> > > >> water boiling over and taking some of the food with it, and I presume
> > > >> other food is being cooked more than instructions or recipes call for.
> >
> > > >> It has a power control that will lower the power by 10% for every push
> > > >> of the button, but I would have to use that button every time.
> >
> > > >> Is there any chance I can turn the full power down by 10%, for every
> > > >> use?
> >
> > > >> (As an aside, it's interesting that on 90% power, for example, I can
> > > >> tell when the microwave part is functioning because it makes more
> > > >> noise during the 90% than the 10% of the time. The old no-name-brand
> > > >> only had one other power level, Defrost, but it made the same noise
> > > >> all the time, and to see how much of the time it was making heat, I
> > > >> had to turn on a nearby AM radio and tune to a weak or no station, and
> > > >> listen to the radiation from the microwave.)
> >
> > > > The "power control" is a "per cent on" control. 90% for one minute
> > > > means the unit runs at full power for .9 * 60 seconds or 54 seconds,
> > > > usually in semi-equal segments such as on 18 seconds, off 2 seconds or
> > > > on 9 seconds, off 1 second.
> >
> > > > John
> > > I've got the same problem, but need more like 50%.
> > > I'd considered adding another cap at half the value.
> > > Not sure how to to the HV switching safely with affordable
> > > components.
> >
> > Just program the cook power, or get a smaller oven. The power supply
> > in a microwave can kill you in a heartbeat.
> >
> > --
> > You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
> > Teflon coated.
>
> I was just reading this thread and it brought a question to mind. What
> if theoretically speaking you dropped the line voltage to the HV
> circuit but not the control section? This would reduce both the
> filament voltage as well as the HV secondary voltage on the
> transformer. The result I would think would be a reduction in output
> power, wouldn't it? Lenny

It will stop oscillating, if you reduce them very much.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

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TOPIC: Fuck OFF TROLL
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/f8481990f5c47309?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 6:23 pm
From: "Phil Allison"

"Meat Plow"

** This FUCKWIT troll needs to be kicked off usenet.

Who will help ?

..... Phil

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 6:24 pm
From: "Phil Allison"

"Meat Plow"

** This FUCKWIT troll needs to be kicked off usenet.

Who will help ?

..... Phil

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 6:25 pm
From: "Phil Allison"

"Meat Plow"

** This FUCKWIT troll needs to be kicked off usenet.

Who will help ?

..... Phil

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 6:25 pm
From: "Phil Allison"

"Meat Plow"

** This FUCKWIT troll needs to be kicked off usenet.

Who will help ?

..... Phil

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 6:26 pm
From: "Phil Allison"

"Meat Plow"

** This FUCKWIT troll needs to be kicked off usenet.

Who will help ?

..... Phil

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 6:58 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> This FUCKWIT troll needs to be kicked off usenet.
> Who will help ?

Is this with regard to planting the grain, tending the grain, harvesting the
grain, making flour, baking the bread, or eating the bread?

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, May 16 2011 12:11 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Meat Plow wrote:
>
> On Sun, 15 May 2011 16:55:14 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> > William Sommerwerck wrote:
> >>
> >> "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
> >> news:939e5jFgmbU1@mid.individual.net...
> >>
> >> > "William Sommerwanker"
> >> > > >> "Meat Plow"
> >> > >
> >> > >> ** This trolling asshole is a narcissistic psychopath.
> >> > >
> >> > >> He knows nothing and understands even less. I want the lunatic
> >> > >> jerk kicked right off usenet. Who will help me ?
> >> > >
> >> > > If the "lunatic jerk" you're referring to is yourself... I'd say
> >> everyone
> >> > > in this group.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ** Ain't it just amazing !!
> >> >
> >> > If you go after ONE troll, the rest of the cunts come in and gang up
> >> > on you.
> >> >
> >> > So you gotta take the WHOLE lot on, all at once.
> >> >
> >> > What a bunch of gutless, fascist pricks they are.
> >>
> >> Are you being serious? Or is this an attempt at "humour"?
> >
> >
> > It's an example of 'free mental health care' in Oz.
>
> I have relatives on my mom's side living in Sidney. None of them act
> like the psychopathic Phil Allison. Just exactly the opposite. One even
> being a well known local radio personality.

I'll bet they aren't under care for mental problems, though.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, May 16 2011 12:12 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Jamie wrote:
>
> Meat Plow wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 15 May 2011 17:37:16 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>"William Sommerwanker"
> >>
> >>>>>"Meat Plow"
> >>>
> >>>>** This trolling asshole is a narcissistic psychopath.
> >>>
> >>>> He knows nothing and understands even less. I want the lunatic jerk
> >>>> kicked right off usenet. Who will help me ?
> >>>
> >>>If the "lunatic jerk" you're referring to is yourself... I'd say
> >>>everyone in
> >>>this group.
> >>
> >>
> >>** Ain't it just amazing !!
> >>
> >>If you go after ONE troll, the rest of the cunts come in and gang up on
> >>you.
> >>
> >>So you gotta take the WHOLE lot on, all at once.
> >>
> >>What a bunch of gutless, fascist pricks they are.
> >
> >
> > You don't have what it takes to take on me. I rip you apart
> > anytime you fly off the handle with your vulgar, threatening
> > reply traps.
> >
> > You are the epitome of the word Troll.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Fighting a battle of wits does not help you much, especially when
> your aponent is unarmed!

'Aponent'? You shouldn't talk about others being 'Unarmed', Maynard.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, May 16 2011 12:13 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Phil Allison wrote:
>
> "Meat Plow"
>
> ** This FUCKWIT troll needs to be kicked off usenet.
>
> Who will help ?

No one will lift a finger to help you, Phyllis.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

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TOPIC: another puzzler
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/b80657d8be4c22cd?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 6:49 pm
From: "Bill Graham"

spamtrap1888 wrote:
> On May 15, 5:14 am, Carey Carlan <gulf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> s...@spam.com (Don Pearce) wrote
>> innews:4dcd5ee1.224328189@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, 13 May 2011 16:05:33 GMT, Carey Carlan <gulf...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> s...@spam.com (Don Pearce) wrote in
>>>> news:4dcd3b49.215216046@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>>>> On Fri, 13 May 2011 08:09:11 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>>>>> <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:t_ydnZKHN4u_QlHQnZ2dnUVZ5rWdnZ2d@giganews.com
>>>>>>> Soundhaspriority wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the
>>>>>>>> choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind
>>>>>>>> the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the
>>>>>>>> host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another
>>>>>>>> door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you,
>>>>>>>> "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your
>>>>>>>> advantage to switch your choice?" The above is a famous
>>>>>>>> problem. I've left out the
>>>>>>>> attribution to give you a few minutes (or forever, if
>>>>>>>> you want) to enjoy it. Bob Morein
>>>>>>>> (310) 237-6511
>>
>>>>>>> When you pick door #1 you only have a 1/3 chance of
>>>>>>> winning. But after you see that there is a goat behind
>>>>>>> door #3, your chance of winning is 1/2, so I would change
>>>>>>> doors and pick door #2. But I don't really know
>>>>>>> why....It's just gambler's instinct with me.
>>
>>>>>> After you know there is a goat behind door #3 and are given a
>>>>>> chance to guess again, there is a 50% chance the car is behind
>>>>>> door #1 and a 50% chance the car if behind door #2. Change your
>>>>>> choice or not, you have a 50% chance of being right.
>>
>>>>> Lets make it ten doors. You pick one, and get a one in ten chance
>>>>> of being right. That means that the chances are 90% that the car
>>>>> is behind one of the 9 doors you did not pick. You know for
>>>>> certain that at least eight of those doors conceal a goat, so
>>>>> when eight goats are revealed, you have no new information. The
>>>>> chances are 90% that the car is behind one of the nine - only now
>>>>> there is only one remaining to open.
>>
>>>>> One vital fact here is that the person doing the revealing knows
>>>>> the contents of the doors and chooses to reveal only goats. Had
>>>>> he been guessing too, and just happened to reveal only goats,
>>>>> then yes, you would be down to 50/50.
>>
>>>> Alternate:
>>
>>>> You walk in with 8 doors already open revealing 8 goats.
>>>> The car is behind one of the two remaining doors.
>>>> Convince me that your odds are not 50% to find the car.
>>
>>> Why? That isn't what happens. Read again and try to follow,
>>> particularly the last part, which is the vital proviso.
>>
>> Why? Because at the point of the final decision, that's the
>> situation.
>> How do the preceding 8 steps affect the final step?
>>
>> Just as in flipping coins.
>> Getting 5 heads in a row is 1/32.
>> But getting the 5th head after already getting 4 is still 1/2.
>
> The big difference: In the Monty Hall problem there is only one "coin
> flip". Only one random choice is made -- the first choice of a door.
> In the coin flip situation, there are five coin flips, five random
> choices.
>
> Now, in contrast, if the car and remaining goats were randomly
> shuffled after each goat door was revealed, then the situation would
> be different. But in the MHP problem the car does not move.

The really interesting thing is that, even if the car does not move,
conditional probability theory says the odds have changed, and you should
switch doors.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 10:08 pm
From: "Trevor"

"Don Pearce" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:4dce456c.283347127@news.eternal-september.org...
> This is like pulling teeth. I'm not going to explain it any more.
> Either you understand or you don't. It helps to have studied maths and
> statistics.

Right!

>And no, there isn't any manipulation. It is purely a
> matter of understanding what is and isn't new information.

And understanding that games of pure chance have NO memory for any previous
actions. It's just like the old question, what are the odds of tossing a
coin 10 heads in a row? If you toss 9 heads in a row, what are the odds of
tossing a 10th?
(First you MUST assume the coin is untampered with, you cannot assume the
same for a TV game show however!)

Trevor.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 10:09 pm
From: "Trevor"

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:iqlm7b$i37$1@dont-email.me...
>I find it interesting that almost everyone who "agrees" with me is quite
> wrong.
>
> They are interpreting the problem and its explanation in terms of what
> they
> would like the situation to be, rather than looking at it from a strictly
> mathematical basis.

Or interpreting it from a view of TV game show reality rather than a purely
statistical basis.

Trevor.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 10:17 pm
From: "Trevor"

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:iqlmhv$itv$1@dont-email.me...

> How much simpler does it need to be, to be comprehensible?

Nobody said it wasn't comprehensible. But it simply ignores the fact that
game shows are NOT pure chance.

Trevor.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 10:24 pm
From: spam@spam.com (Don Pearce)

On Mon, 16 May 2011 15:08:08 +1000, "Trevor" <trevor@home.net> wrote:

>
>"Don Pearce" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
>news:4dce456c.283347127@news.eternal-september.org...
>> This is like pulling teeth. I'm not going to explain it any more.
>> Either you understand or you don't. It helps to have studied maths and
>> statistics.
>
>Right!
>
>>And no, there isn't any manipulation. It is purely a
>> matter of understanding what is and isn't new information.
>
>And understanding that games of pure chance have NO memory for any previous
>actions. It's just like the old question, what are the odds of tossing a
>coin 10 heads in a row? If you toss 9 heads in a row, what are the odds of
>tossing a 10th?
>(First you MUST assume the coin is untampered with, you cannot assume the
>same for a TV game show however!)
>
>Trevor.
>

What has this to do with the question?

d

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 10:30 pm
From: "Trevor"

"David" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:iqm8lg$3bf$1@dont-email.me...
> The second case is: BB, BG, GB. The couple told you the GG case does not
> exist.

Oops you are quite correct, there are still 3 possibilities.

Trevor.

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TOPIC: Where is Klem ??
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/e9ebb396f18b6ba5?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 6:58 pm
From: klem kedidelhopper

On May 14, 3:50 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Phil Allison wrote:
>
> > In my 20s,  I attended the University of Sydney and was an honours
> > engineering student.
>
>    The one where you were tossed out, for that incident with your
> professor?
>
> --
> You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
> Teflon coated.

So according to you Phil, one needs to be "an obvious six toed, banjo
plucking retard" in order to appreciate what a chemical fuse is? What
would your mother say if she heard you talking like that? I never
learned about six toes, banjos, etc in electronics school. Guess I
must have spaced that one. Oh well. By the way just for the record, I
have five toes, you ignorant moron, last time I checked, anyway, but
that was original.... CHEMICAL FUSE, CHEMICAL FUSE, CHEMICAL
FUSE!!!!!!!!. There, now that you're sufficiently off your rails, we
can all reflect on your psychosis. And oh yeah "attending the
university of Sydney" while you were working as a janitor doesn't earn
you an engineering degree. It earns you a toiletry degree. So why
don't you go find one to stick your head in. And while your out and
about, please refill the Haldol prescription, OK? Pharmaceuticals are
miracles, Really lifesavers for people like you and I just know that
you'll feel a whole lot better after wards. Lenny

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 7:08 pm
From: klem kedidelhopper

On May 15, 9:58 pm, klem kedidelhopper <captainvideo462...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On May 14, 3:50 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Phil Allison wrote:
>
> > > In my 20s,  I attended the University of Sydney and was an honours
> > > engineering student.
>
> >    The one where you were tossed out, for that incident with your
> > professor?
>
> > --
> > You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
> > Teflon coated.
>
> So according to you Phil, one needs to be "an obvious six toed, banjo
> plucking retard" in order to appreciate what a chemical fuse is? What
> would your mother say if she heard you talking like that?  I never
> learned about six toes, banjos, etc in electronics school. Guess I
> must have spaced that one. Oh well. By the way just for the record, I
> have five toes, you ignorant moron, last time I checked, anyway, but
> that was original.... CHEMICAL FUSE, CHEMICAL FUSE, CHEMICAL
> FUSE!!!!!!!!. There, now that you're sufficiently off your rails, we
> can all reflect on your psychosis. And oh yeah "attending the
> university of Sydney" while you were working as a janitor doesn't earn
> you an engineering degree. It earns you a toiletry degree. So why
> don't you go find one to stick your head in. And while your out and
> about, please refill the Haldol prescription, OK? Pharmaceuticals are
> miracles, Really lifesavers for people like you and I just know that
> you'll feel a whole lot better after wards. Lenny

Hey John, Are we best "Bum Chums"?

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 7:44 pm
From: "Phil Allison"

"klem kedidelhopper"

> So according to you Phil, one needs to be "an obvious six toed, banjo
> plucking retard" in order to appreciate what a chemical fuse is?

** Not what I posted at all.

Only the BIGGEST liars post their OWN words and then argue with them.

> I never learned about six toes, banjos, etc in electronics school.

** Because Klem is a congenital fuckwit and never went to school.

( snip rest of this anencephalic's absurd drivel )

.... Phil

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, May 16 2011 12:09 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Phil Allison wrote:
>
> "klem kedidelhopper"
>
> > So according to you Phil, one needs to be "an obvious six toed, banjo
> > plucking retard" in order to appreciate what a chemical fuse is?
>
> ** Not what I posted at all.
>
> Only the BIGGEST liars post their OWN words and then argue with them.
>
> > I never learned about six toes, banjos, etc in electronics school.
>
> ** Because Klem is a congenital fuckwit and never went to school.
>
> ( snip rest of this anencephalic's absurd drivel )

You are the most useless idiot on usenet.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

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TOPIC: Is MTS audio a victim of the latest cable company upgrading?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/60a2fa68004f3c17?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 9:26 pm
From: "Deke"

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:r5KdnXZoZ-V12E3QnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
> Deke wrote:
>>
>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:tpmdnWn3RLzLeVPQnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> >
>> > Deke wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:qoSdnYEyRPh_r1PQnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > Deke wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:88WdndqCHO5q31HQnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Deke wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Universal Cable rule # 1- They don't care about audio, or
>> >> >> >> visual
>> >> >> >> quality,
>> >> >> >> and will always be geared to please the lowest common
>> >> >> >> denominator.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > File a complaint with the FCC at FCCInfo@fcc.gov
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Universal Cable rule # 2- Even if they DO have a high quality
>> >> >> >> signal
>> >> >> >> available to them, they will compress/mangle it (1080i to 720i,
>> >> >> >> 5.1
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> distorted L-R mono) to save bandwidth.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > File a complaint with the FCC at FCCInfo@fcc.gov
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>Universal Cable rule #3- Cable companies don't care if you have a
>> >> >> >>$10,000
>> >> >> >> home entertainment center. Can you see a picture? Good!, and
>> >> >> >> can
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> hear
>> >> >> >> it? Good!, will always be good enough for them.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > File a complaint with the FCC at FCCInfo@fcc.gov
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Universal Cable rule #4- Charge maximum amount of money for the
>> >> >> >> poorest
>> >> >> >> choice of channels, with the worst possible signal quality.
>> >> >> >> Increase
>> >> >> >> rates
>> >> >> >> at will.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Rate increases must be approved by the franchising authority.
>> >> >> > They
>> >> >> > can not increase rates 'At will'.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This solved all my problems, AND gave me a far superior DVR...
>> >> >> www.dishnetwork.com
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Tell me how well it works in heavy rain or fog. I have had
>> >> > outages
>> >> > of over three full days becasue of bad weather, but the local cable
>> >> > system worked after several hurricanes even though there was no
>> >> > electricity in the area for over a month.
>> >> >
>> >> Since my system was installed correctly, it works fine in heavy fog or
>> >> rain.
>> >> I do lose signal when a squall line comes thru, but only for a couple
>> >> minutes.
>> >
>> >
>> > Big deal. It isn't a problem in your area, but it is in others.
>> >
>> So? Big deal indeed. Mine works fine, thanks.
>>
>> >
>> >> After a 13 day power outage due to an ice storm, the system came right
>> >> back
>> >> up when power was restored.
>> >
>> >
>> > Installed properly? Sigh. I installed the dish and wiring. The
>> > drone from dish turned on the account. I installed, upgraded and aimed
>> > 5 meter dishes at CATV headends and TV stations. I worked for
>> > Microdyne
>> > who built the commercial grade equipment. A 'Dish' or Direct TV'
>> > antenna is designed to be installed by anyone with a pair of pliers.
>> >
>> And this is relevant in what way to my complete satisfaction with Dish,
>> and
>> the fact that local Mediacom service stinks?
>
>
> Only that you have your head where the sun doesn't shine. Dish is
> far from perfect, and you have a hard-on for cable TV.
>
>
>> BTW, have you installed a three lnb satellite dish lately?
>
>
> Have you ever converted a five meter dish from Cassegrain to prime
> focus and installed four LNAs. The original feed horn had to be removed
> and lowered down the side of a hill by rope. It weighed over 125
> pounds. Then cut three slots in the dish while hanging from a sling?
> That conversion took five full eight hour days with three workers. Your
> three LNB feed is child's play.
>
>
And yet you say you had a three day outage. Interesting.

>> And if a pair of pliers is all you used to install the dish, no wonder
>> there
>> were problems.
>
>
> Sigh. I have all the tools needed, and a small machine shop behind
> the guest cottage on my property. I said that it could be installed
> with a pair of pliers and a lot of installs I've seen looked like that
> was what they used. Do you have a Sat meter to read the signal level at
> the dish? I have two, and a Sadelco TV FSM. Do you know how they
> work? How about an inclinometer?
>
> http://www.satellitetvshop.co.uk/

All my satellite equipment is already installed and working quite well.
I do have a Sat meter, but haven't used it in some time. No need.

>
>
>> >> > Who needs a DVR? There is life outside of watching TV. I spent
>> >> > over
>> >> > a year with no TV or internet last decade, and all I missed was the
>> >> > wether maps on the local TV news.
>> >> >
>> >> So? Your choice to live off the grid was your choice.
>> >
>> >
>> > What are you smoking? I am not living 'Off grid'
>> >
>> So you DID have electricity? Fascinating.
>>
>> >
>> >> I choose to watch the TV shows I enjoy, minus the commercials, in HD.
>> >
>> >
>> > Learn to ignore them. I did, when i started working as a TV
>> > broadcast engineer in 1973. There is no programming worth it to me to
>> > record to a DVR. If there was, I would build one out of a spare
>> > computer. It doesn't take much of a computer these days:
>> >
>> >
>> Once again, fascinating. I choose to not spend the time "ignoring" them.
>> Saves 20 minutes out of every hour. But of course, being a broadcast
>> engineer from the 70's, you should already know that.
>>
>> > From http://www.mythbuntu.org/
>> >
>> >
>> > Minimum System Requirements:
>> >
>> > 1.0 GHz x86 or x86_64 Processor
>> > 192 MB of system memory (RAM)
>> > 2 GB of disk space (Frontend Role)
>> > 20 GB of disk space (Backend Role)
>> > Graphics card capable of 1024x768 resolution
>> > Supported TV Tuner Card (Backend Role)
>> > Recommended System Requirements:
>> >
>> > 2.0 Ghz x86 or x86_64 Processor
>> > 2GB MB of system memory (RAM)
>> > 10 GB disk space (Frontend Role)
>> > 160 GB+ disk space (Backend Role)
>> > nVidia 8xxx+ 256MB+ Graphics Card
>> > Supported TV Tuner Card (Backend Role)
>> >
>> > I have all of this laying around as spare parts.
>> >
>> Reminds me of a TV show called "Hoarders". You should check it out.
>> I have it recorded on my DVR.
>
>
> Hoarder? You're the one collecting useless TV shows. Those parts
> take up a little over a cubic foot of space. My workshop is 1200 square
> feet with a nine foot ceiling so that is less than 1/10 of a percent of
> the space.

Who said anything about "collecting TV shows"? I just don't watch muich
live. Its recorded, then viewed, skipping the commercials, then deleted.

> The spare parts are used to repair computers for the other Disabled
> Veterans in my area. I also help low income and other disabled people
> get a computer or to keep their working. I don't charge them for labor,
> and tell them where to buy any parts they need. I would rather build or
> repair something than park my ass in front of a TV and stuff my face
> like so many drooling idiots. I prefer to read, than watch TV.
>
>
Good for you. Since you have already mentioned your guest house, your large
collection of tools, your 1200 sq ft work shop, your help for veterans and
the disabled, I'm guessing I'm supposed to be awed and impressed.
I applaud your altruism, but I downsized years ago (1997 actually) when I
retired. Now I only volunteer for the Red Cross.

>> >> >> Local Mediacom cable service is HORRIBLE.
>> >
>> >
>> > Not my problem. I used to work in Cable TV in Cincinnati, Ohio at
>> > the top rated system in the region. I maintained the headend for that
>> > system, and 35 other systems across the country.
>> >
>> >
>> So? I used to work for the military.
>
>
> So? I was a US Army broadcast engineer for AFRTS. I tested out of
> the three year school while in Basic training at Ft Knox.
>
>
Bully for you, but how is that relevant to the fact that local Mediacom
service sucks?
Interesting that Mediacom is now offering their phone and internet service
bundle WITHOUT the cable service, to satellite customers.
Any port in a storm, eh?

> --
> You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-AidT on it, because it's
> Teflon coated.

Indeed.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, May 15 2011 9:33 pm
From: "Deke"

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:r5KdnXFoZ-W7203QnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
> Deke wrote:
>>
>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:wrednVacWPk8eFPQnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> >
>> > Deke wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:88WdndqCHO5q31HQnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > Deke wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Universal Cable rule # 1- They don't care about audio, or visual
>> >> >> quality,
>> >> >> and will always be geared to please the lowest common denominator.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > File a complaint with the FCC at FCCInfo@fcc.gov
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Universal Cable rule # 2- Even if they DO have a high quality
>> >> >> signal
>> >> >> available to them, they will compress/mangle it (1080i to 720i, 5.1
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> distorted L-R mono) to save bandwidth.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > File a complaint with the FCC at FCCInfo@fcc.gov
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>Universal Cable rule #3- Cable companies don't care if you have a
>> >> >>$10,000
>> >> >> home entertainment center. Can you see a picture? Good!, and can
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> hear
>> >> >> it? Good!, will always be good enough for them.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > File a complaint with the FCC at FCCInfo@fcc.gov
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Universal Cable rule #4- Charge maximum amount of money for the
>> >> >> poorest
>> >> >> choice of channels, with the worst possible signal quality.
>> >> >> Increase
>> >> >> rates
>> >> >> at will.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Rate increases must be approved by the franchising authority.
>> >> > They
>> >> > can not increase rates 'At will'.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> But they CAN, and do increase rates for equipment fees, rental fees,
>> >> service
>> >> fees, and anything else that doesn't involve programming.
>> >
>> >
>> > Sigh. You need to learn what a 'CATV Franchise' means. I was in
>> > that business. The only time a equipment fee wasn't regulated was when
>> > a new piece of hardware was introduced. Any badly damaged or missing
>> > equipment could be billed at full replacement costs, plus all other
>> > incurred expenses. My dad had Dish a couple years ago. The day his
>> > first year contract was up he received a letter from Dish telling him
>> > they were going to sue him if they didn't get their equipment back
>> > within 10 days. No mention of renewing the contract, just threats. I
>> > boxed it up and dropped it off at the Post Office for him, while he was
>> > calling Direct TV for service. He's been with them for more than five
>> > years now.
>> >
>> >
>> And this is relevant to me in what way? Are you saying that your Dad's
>> cable service is inadequate, so he went with satellite TV?
>> THAT I can relate to.
>
>
> He wanted a channel he couldn't get on cable. That's reality, and
> I'm sure you can't relate to that.
>
>
Oh but I can. I have more than a few channels on satellite, in HD, that
local Mediacom doesn't even offer in SD. The Discovery channels, for
example.
History International is another.

> --
> You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-AidT on it, because it's
> Teflon coated.

Indeed. Its also not very observant.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, May 16 2011 12:04 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Deke wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:r5KdnXZoZ-V12E3QnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> >
> > Deke wrote:

> >> And this is relevant in what way to my complete satisfaction with Dish,
> >> and the fact that local Mediacom service stinks?
> >
> >
> > Only that you have your head where the sun doesn't shine. Dish is
> > far from perfect, and you have a hard-on for cable TV.
> >
> >
> >> BTW, have you installed a three lnb satellite dish lately?
> >
> >
> > Have you ever converted a five meter dish from Cassegrain to prime
> > focus and installed four LNAs. The original feed horn had to be removed
> > and lowered down the side of a hill by rope. It weighed over 125
> > pounds. Then cut three slots in the dish while hanging from a sling?
> > That conversion took five full eight hour days with three workers. Your
> > three LNB feed is child's play.
> >
> >
> And yet you say you had a three day outage. Interesting.

Not interesting, unless you consider low visiblity from very heavy
fog interesting.

> Who said anything about "collecting TV shows"? I just don't watch muich
> live. Its recorded, then viewed, skipping the commercials, then deleted.

Show that I am a horder then.

> > The spare parts are used to repair computers for the other Disabled
> > Veterans in my area. I also help low income and other disabled people
> > get a computer or to keep their working. I don't charge them for labor,
> > and tell them where to buy any parts they need. I would rather build or
> > repair something than park my ass in front of a TV and stuff my face
> > like so many drooling idiots. I prefer to read, than watch TV.
> >
> >
> Good for you. Since you have already mentioned your guest house, your large
> collection of tools, your 1200 sq ft work shop, your help for veterans and
> the disabled, I'm guessing I'm supposed to be awed and impressed.

I don't care if you even noticed. I have what I need to do what I
want to and am still physically able to. I bought the place becasue of
the large shop building when I was still working full time, with the
intent to restore old radios and test equipment when I retired. My
retired dad lived here for a few years, as well and I needed some of
that space for his woodworking tools.

> I applaud your altruism, but I downsized years ago (1997 actually) when I
> retired. Now I only volunteer for the Red Cross.

Good for you. The Red Cross was supposed to be helping people around
here after a couple hurricanes, but they rarely lived up to their
promises. Like FEMA, they would announce that they would serve hot meals
or do something else at a set time. If you went, their trucks either
weren't there or were locked up and no one was around.

The VA declared that I could no longer work. I still have my
hobbies, and i really don;t care if anyone is impressed. I don't do it
for that reason. I have always gone out of my way to help others, it's
how I was raised.

> >> So? I used to work for the military.
> >
> >
> > So? I was a US Army broadcast engineer for AFRTS. I tested out of
> > the three year school while in Basic training at Ft Knox.
> >
> >
> Bully for you, but how is that relevant to the fact that local Mediacom
> service sucks?

How is your fixation on Mediacom relevant to anything?

> Interesting that Mediacom is now offering their phone and internet service
> bundle WITHOUT the cable service, to satellite customers.

And? Phone companies have offered internet & TV for years. You can
get 'naked DSL' from the phone company as well.

> Any port in a storm, eh?

What storm?

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, May 16 2011 12:06 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Deke wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > He wanted a channel he couldn't get on cable. That's reality, and
> > I'm sure you can't relate to that.
> >
> >
> Oh but I can. I have more than a few channels on satellite, in HD, that
> local Mediacom doesn't even offer in SD. The Discovery channels, for
> example.
> History International is another.

Big deal. They run some of the most boring crap I've ever seen.
You've become very repetitive and boring, as well.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

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