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TOPIC: OT -- switching heating elements
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/2359de19aee3537a?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 25 2011 1:57 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"

"klem kedidelhopper" <captainvideo462009@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f35d2ee8-6bf8-4c24-acba-045f7c47b518@ct4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...

> When I was a kid, (back in the stone age). there was no such thing as
> a Calrod element, well maybe there might have been but I remember that
> most appliances like toasters, ovens, broilers, even space heaters
> were made with exposed nichrome wire.

The GE Calrod unit goes back at least to the 50s, and probably the 30s. An
electric oven using exposed nichrome wires would not be a very good idea.

> Many toasters still are. I
> worked on them all from the time I was a teenager. Most people, even
> the non technical ones realized after they had stuck a fork in the
> toaster once to not do that again. I'm sure that they still do. But
> really lets answer the bigger question. What is the goal here? Is it
> to build an appliance as cheaply, I'm sorry, (cost effectively), as
> possible or is it to keep people, even the stupid ones safe? And
> getting back to my other question: why did B& D obviously think that
> it was a good idea 15 years ago to switch both the hot and neutral on
> my toaster oven but now they don't?

If there is an answer, it's that you do certain things simply because they
make sense, regardless of what you think a user might or might not do.

> You just can't convince me that the least common denominator isn't
> money. Yeah maybe I am a little paranoid too, but it doesn't mean
> they're not out to get me.....Lenny

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 25 2011 3:25 pm
From: klem kedidelhopper

On Jun 25, 4:57 pm, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> "klem kedidelhopper" <captainvideo462...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f35d2ee8-6bf8-4c24-acba-045f7c47b518@ct4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > When I was a kid, (back in the stone age). there was no such thing as
> > a Calrod element, well maybe there might have been but I remember that
> > most appliances like toasters, ovens, broilers, even space heaters
> > were made with exposed nichrome wire.
>
> The GE Calrod unit goes back at least to the 50s, and probably the 30s. An
> electric oven using exposed nichrome wires would not be a very good idea.
>
> > Many toasters still are. I
> > worked on them all from the time I was a teenager. Most people, even
> > the non technical ones realized after they had stuck a fork in the
> > toaster once to not do that again. I'm sure that they still do. But
> > really lets answer the bigger question. What is the goal here? Is it
> > to build an appliance as cheaply, I'm sorry, (cost effectively), as
> > possible or is it to keep people, even the stupid ones safe? And
> > getting back to my other question: why did B& D obviously think that
> > it was a good idea 15 years ago to switch both the hot and neutral on
> > my toaster oven but now they don't?
>
> If there is an answer, it's that you do certain things simply because they
> make sense, regardless of what you think a user might or might not do.
>
> > You just can't convince me that the least common denominator isn't
> > money. Yeah maybe I am a little paranoid too, but it doesn't mean
> > they're not out to get me.....Lenny

I have my mother's old broiler/rotisserie from the 50's down in the
basement. My wife asked me to get rid of it so many times but I just
can't seem to part with it. (I remember the roasts and rotisserie
chickens we used to have when I was a kid). It has a coiled nichcrome
wire element as they all did at that time. Early Lionel trains were
connected directly to the AC line through a carbon pile or rheostat.
Things were a lot different in "the old days". I finally just hid it.
Maybe I'll get it out one day and cook a roast for her. Lenny

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 26 2011 8:44 pm
From: klem kedidelhopper

I had another question as long as we're talking about ovens. When you
use the self cleaning function on these stoves, I believe that both
elements are turned on for an extended period of time. We usually hold
off doing this until a cold spell hits as lot of heat is generated and
warms the kitchen nicely. Essentially everything in the oven is
incinerated down to a fine gray powder. If you think of the bake and
broil elements as "filaments" of a sort, with a finite life span,
doesn't invoking this function shorten their life? Lenny

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 27 2011 1:42 am
From: Jeffrey Angus

On 6/26/2011 10:44 PM, klem kedidelhopper wrote:
> I had another question as long as we're talking about ovens. When you
> use the self cleaning function on these stoves, I believe that both
> elements are turned on for an extended period of time. We usually hold
> off doing this until a cold spell hits as lot of heat is generated and
> warms the kitchen nicely. Essentially everything in the oven is
> incinerated down to a fine gray powder. If you think of the bake and
> broil elements as "filaments" of a sort, with a finite life span,
> doesn't invoking this function shorten their life? Lenny

One would think so, if one were inclined to think all corporations are
evil and all design engineers are stupid.

The misconception here is that the "normal" heating range on those
elements is the design center. It is NOT. The "clean" cycle is the
design center.

Jeff

--
"Everything from Crackers to Coffins"

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 27 2011 6:03 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

"Jeffrey Angus" <jangus@suddenlink.net> wrote in message
news:iu9fq8$836$1@dont-email.me...
> On 6/26/2011 10:44 PM, klem kedidelhopper wrote:

>> I had another question as long as we're talking about ovens. When
>> you use the self cleaning function on these stoves, I believe that both
>> elements are turned on for an extended period of time. We usually
>> hold off doing this until a cold spell hits as lot of heat is generated
>> and warms the kitchen nicely. Essentially everything in the oven is
>> incinerated down to a fine gray powder. If you think of the bake and
>> broil elements as "filaments" of a sort, with a finite life span,
>> doesn't invoking this function shorten their life?

If it does, then one has to weigh the convenience of self-cleaning against
the inconvenience and higher cost of manual cleaning.

> One would think so, if one were inclined to think all corporations are
> evil and all design engineers are stupid.

> The misconception here is that the "normal" heating range on those
> elements is the design center. It is NOT. The "clean" cycle is the
> design center.

I've never used the self-cleaning feature on my oven. Yet the bottom element
burned through after only about 10 years of use. Another member of this
group reported the same thing for their GE.

I had a conservative, slightly paranoid friend (hi, Greg -- miss ya bad) who
claimed materials science was sufficiently advanced that auto manufacturers
were able to control how long a car engine lasted. I pooh-poohed this, but
he was probably correct. Few products are made to last "as long as
possible", because it tends to increase the price.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 27 2011 8:11 am
From: Jeffrey Angus

On 6/27/2011 8:03 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
> I had a conservative, slightly paranoid friend (hi, Greg -- miss ya bad) who
> claimed materials science was sufficiently advanced that auto manufacturers
> were able to control how long a car engine lasted. I pooh-poohed this, but
> he was probably correct. Few products are made to last "as long as
> possible", because it tends to increase the price.

It's NOT some evil conspiracy.

The CONSUMER has been screaming for the past 30 years,
"I don't care if it's crap, I want it now, I want it
cheap and I don't care if it only last 6 months because
I'll be bored with it by then anyway."

Manufacturers are supplying them with what they asked for.

Jeff

--
"Everything from Crackers to Coffins"

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TOPIC: HP LaserJet 5L is streaking, how to 'clean' up?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/051f23f8dceecbf4?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 25 2011 4:42 pm
From: Robert Macy

Have an old HP LaserJet 5L that is streaking on the page.
The streaks are horizontal [perpendicular] to the paper path.

At first, I thought this was happening as the printer cartridge was
running out, but upon putting in another one and only getting 1 clean
page, the printer is right back to streaking.

Anybody know what it takes to clean?

Don't say, buy a new one. Two reasons: this one "works" and anybody
that knows me knows better than to say 'go buy something else'

Also, I have to only put one sheet of paper in the paper feed, else
ALL the paper goes through at once.

Regards,
Robert

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 25 2011 5:35 pm
From: Rich Webb

On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:42:55 -0700 (PDT), Robert Macy
<robert.a.macy@gmail.com> wrote:

Try the s.e.r FAQ over at http://www.repairfaq.org/. Might give you a
few things to try but please don't blame me if you spend several hours
browsing around there and don't get any sleep tonight. ;-)

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 25 2011 6:56 pm
From: Sylvia Else

On 26/06/2011 9:42 AM, Robert Macy wrote:

> Also, I have to only put one sheet of paper in the paper feed, else
> ALL the paper goes through at once.

When my 5L started feeding multiple pages, I took it to an HP authorised
service place, and they had to install a replacement pick-feeder (sp?),
at some non-negligible cost of parts. At the time it was marginally
worthwhile compared with buying a new printer. I doubt it would be now.
Also, a few years later, the 5L just quit.

I seem to remember that the printer had (unusually) defeated my attempts
to figure out how it comes to pieces.

Sylvia.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 25 2011 8:10 pm
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:42:55 -0700 (PDT), Robert Macy
<robert.a.macy@gmail.com> wrote:

>Have an old HP LaserJet 5L that is streaking on the page.
>The streaks are horizontal [perpendicular] to the paper path.
>
>At first, I thought this was happening as the printer cartridge was
>running out, but upon putting in another one and only getting 1 clean
>page, the printer is right back to streaking.
>
>Anybody know what it takes to clean?
>
>Don't say, buy a new one. Two reasons: this one "works" and anybody
>that knows me knows better than to say 'go buy something else'
>
>Also, I have to only put one sheet of paper in the paper feed, else
>ALL the paper goes through at once.
>
>Regards,
>Robert

Which side of the paper? The printed size or the back?

The 5L and 6L are not the best printers. After a while, they do try
to feed more than one page at a time. There are replacement kits for
fixing this on eBay and elsewhere:
<http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=5L+paper+jam>
Do *NOT* buy the abomination HP devised to fix the problem (PN
5969-8695). They're easier to install, but don't work very well. If
you sent your printer to HP for repair, that's what you received.

Gray smears, on the printed size of the page, perpendicular to the
paper path, are usually caused by the toner cartridge being left in
the sun, where the selenium drum has received a sunburn. It can't be
fixed except to replace the cartridge. Measure the distance between
the smears. If it happens to equal the circumference of the drum in
the toner cartridge, there's the problem.

However, since you tested two cartridges, it's unlikely that both
would have the same problem. Another possible source of streaking is
a toner clogged transfer roller RF5-1534 (which is usually included in
the rebuild kit). This usually makes smudges on the back side of the
page, but if saturated with toner, can also dump some on the printed
side:
<http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=5L+maintenance>
If the vertical spacing between the smudges is roughly equal to the
transfer roller circumference, there's the problem.

Another possible source of smudges is toner encrusted on the rubber
feed roller inside the fuser assembly. This is difficult to see
without tearing the printer apart. This usually makes smudges on the
back of the page.

For better advice and some parts, see:
<http://www.FixYourOwnPrinter.com>
<http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/forums>
<http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/search/forums?q=5L>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 25 2011 8:57 pm
From: Sylvia Else

On 26/06/2011 1:10 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

>
> The 5L and 6L are not the best printers. After a while, they do try
> to feed more than one page at a time. There are replacement kits for
> fixing this on eBay and elsewhere:
> <http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=5L+paper+jam>
> Do *NOT* buy the abomination HP devised to fix the problem (PN
> 5969-8695). They're easier to install, but don't work very well. If
> you sent your printer to HP for repair, that's what you received.

Presumably it's what I got then.

Oh well, my HP1022 is much faster.

Sylvia.

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TOPIC: OT - postings not appearing? long delays?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/4435aaafabee353b?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 25 2011 5:17 pm
From: Robert Macy

Just me or is something wrong here?

An hour ago I posted a question to this group and still do not see it?

And the last activity I do see appears to be 2 days ago!

Has spam weighed down the internet that much or is something else
going on?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 25 2011 6:34 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Robert Macy" <robert.a.macy@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cfe9fe7c-7208-4e5b-b17f-e086ccbea9b3@m10g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> Just me or is something wrong here?
>
> An hour ago I posted a question to this group and still do not see it?
>
> And the last activity I do see appears to be 2 days ago!
>
> Has spam weighed down the internet that much or is something else
> going on?

Assuming the post you are referring to is " HP Laserjet 5L ... ", then I
see it on my server as having arrived at 00:42 my time. This post shows as
having arrived at 01:17 i.e. about a half hour after the first one. Your
server may be doing some housekeeping function or have a problem that's
preventing it from updating at the moment ?

Arfa

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 25 2011 7:29 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Robert Macy wrote:
>
> Just me or is something wrong here?
>
> An hour ago I posted a question to this group and still do not see it?
>
> And the last activity I do see appears to be 2 days ago!
>
> Has spam weighed down the internet that much or is something else
> going on?

Get a real news server. Google doesn't always send messages right
away. Sometimes they never leave the spool. :(

--
It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.

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TOPIC: Portable air conditioner self-evap problem
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/fa3649e8729e18a5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 25 2011 8:01 pm
From: "hrhofmann@att.net"

On Jun 24, 8:43 pm, Bob <gymr...@netzero.net> wrote:
> First I want to say sorry if this is the wrong usenet group but here's
> my problem: Air conditioner is a 7 year old Sunpentown WA-1210E. The
> tank fills (and turns itself off as it should) in only 4 hours. I can
> only drain out half of its 3 pint capacity. It cools fine however.
> It's never required draining before, except as reccomended at the end
> of summer. I've googled for tips and have tried adding a small amount
> of bleach to through the drain plug hole after draining but problem
> repeats. Thanks in advance for a solution.

What is the problen you are having???????

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TOPIC: Phil Allison's Severely Limited Impaired Reading Comprehension Skills
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/3f84b39bfef04db0?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 26 2011 8:53 am
From: "Wild_Bill"

As it seems you need reminding: top posted for your convenience;

You don't matter.

--
Cheers,
WB
.............

"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:96ls7aFjgpU1@mid.individual.net...

> Paypal Nike Free Porn Babble Mumble Grovel

>
>> Your fabricated Deliberate Inductor term sounds very similar to the term
>> Chemical Fuse.
>
>> You might be surprised/shocked to discover that many folks understand
>> inductors.
>
>> Use all the space you need to show how many small components exhibit over
>> 5H of inductance, which aren't inductors.
>
>> Would those components be Accidental or Coincidental inductors?
>
> >>
>> The Sencore Ringing Test isn't a specific measurement, it's an
>> indication.
>
>
>> The inductance of an electric guitar pickup is the pickup's most
>> significant characteristic.
>

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 26 2011 6:20 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 20:39:32 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:

> "Wild_Bill"
>
> ** STOP top posting - you fucking nut case.
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>> Your fabricated Deliberate Inductor term sounds very similar to the
>> term Chemical Fuse.
>
>
> ** OK - now I know for an absolute fact I am up against a total
> fuckwit.

Then why bother replying? Doesn't that make you a fuckwit too?

Think about it Phil.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 26 2011 6:27 pm
From: "Phil Allison"

"Meat Plow"
>>
>> ** OK - now I know for an absolute fact I am up against a total
>> fuckwit.
>
> Then why bother replying?

** Read my reply - it explains itself.

.... Phil

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 26 2011 6:59 pm
From: Alias

Meat Plow Meat Plow <mhywattt@yahoo.com> wrote in
<news:pan.2011.06.27.01.20.17@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>:

> On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 20:39:32 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:
>=20
>> "Wild_Bill"
>>=20
>> ** STOP top posting - you fucking nut case.
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>=20
>>> Your fabricated Deliberate Inductor term sounds very similar to the
>>> term Chemical Fuse.
>>=20
>> ** OK - now I know for an absolute fact I am up against a total
>> fuckwit.
>=20
> Then why bother replying? Doesn't that make you a fuckwit too?=20
>=20
> Think about it Phil.=20

Says the fuckwit of all fuckwits.

--=20

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WHO IS MEATPLOW from Alt.Usenet.Kooks (AUK)?

The obese, abusive, ugly, snaggle-toothed, gay 'bear' biker retard
who likes to surf gay porn sites as 'BlancoBear' while wearing only
assless chaps:

William Malone Griffith, Jr. (aka Milt, aka MeatPlow, aka BlancoBear)
308 10th Street NE
North Canton, OH 44720-2023

Evidence:
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/5650f8e1e7dedefa
Message-ID: <fc5167ee7ad8e6f64bbe528026c00d98@rip.ax.lt>

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/e52ffbb346f5b76=
4
Message-ID: <ac995ab01f76a177f4012486eb671c0e@rip.ax.lt>

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/a94a2a11df601e39
Message-ID: <f6ccd46e74bff6e99d49781388db38c7@rip.ax.lt>

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/ef80aad2e7db945=
d
Message-ID: <2abe74de52d65b6046cc0bdd3c108d86@rip.ax.lt>
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MeatPlow personal info:
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Birthdate: Oct 3, 1955

Amateur Radio callsign N8NCX
Technician Plus
(2 meter, 6 meter)
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Photo of MeatPlow in Belden Village Music store:
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(Note the guitars in the background, the planet-sized head,
the rotten-Chiclet teeth, and general look of retardation)
http://www.productwiki.com/william-malone-griffith-ii/lists/
http://images.productwiki.com/upload/images/william_malone_griffith_ii_av=
atar_1_0-150-150.jpg

He's got his father's nose and eyes:
http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/kentucky/guestbook.aspx?pid=3D2527782
http://mi-cache.legacy.com/usercontent/guestbook/photos/2005-09/6966764.j=
pg
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MeatPlow email addresses:
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http://web.archive.org/web/20010305113423/http://www.k1hk.org/ugb_archive=
3.html
"Bill N8NCX wgriffit@neo.rr.com"

wgriffit at neo.rr.com (neo =3D North East Ohio)
mhywattt at yahoo.com
mhywatt at yahoo.com
--------------------

MeatPlow admits to being from Ohio:
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Message-ID: <pan.2011.05.17.23.07.01@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05.17.23.09.38@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
--------------------

MeatPlow's brushes with the law:
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1}
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/crim/crim_display_docket_main?pass_case_no=
=3D11543&pass_case_type=3DVBD&pass_case_year=3D2002&pass_first_name=3DWil=
liam&pass_last_name=3DGriffith

2}
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/civil/civil_display_docket_main?case_year_=
no=3D2009-3533&litigant_txt=3DGriffith
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MeatPlow quotes:
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Message-ID: <pan.2011.05.18.22.21.28@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I have no shame here in Usenet."

Message-ID: <pan.2011.05.20.01.22.52@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I'd bet $200.00 of that Keiser money you still have that you will
leave before me."

Message-ID: <pan.2011.05.25.00.08.32@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"You know i have a legal team who specializes in internet law. And I
won't hesitate to get them in on the action."

Message-ID: <pan.2011.05.25.00.16.43@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I haven't changed nor do I plan on it any time in the near future.
And yes I am bullet-proof as I have proved it."

MeatPlow visits a massage parlor for a Happy Ending massage.
But they refused to give him a Happy Ending his second time there.
That explains why he's gay, he can't even PAY for HAND JOBS from
women.
http://www.clreviews.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3D11679
"One time I got a HE, and the 2nd time I didn't. I was asked if I was
there both times and said I was. That's is why I didn't know if I said
something wrong the 2nd time which made me not get a HE."

Well, at least we know what he does with his weekends.
--------------------

Oh, William, what would yer family say if they learned yer secrets?

Mother:
.----------------------------.
Catherine & Angelo Griffith

4760 Echovalley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-7504
330-494-5785
'----------------------------'

Sister:
.-----------------------------.
Pamela L. & Roger R. Werling
{ son Todd E. Werling }
{ son Chris (Kennesaw, GA) }
{ son Keith }
{ son Easton }
{ son Zakary }
{ daughter Camella }

7704 Bisque Court
Fort Wayne, IN 46825-3501
260-489-6086
'-----------------------------'

Sister:
.----------------------------------------------.
Cheryl J. & Jason 'Sparky' Humberto E. Rivera
{ daughter Christina }
{ daughter Rosalio (North Canton, OH) }
{ daughter Maria (North Canton, OH) }
{ son Len Gray (Ft. Worth, TX) }

5225 Echo Valley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-9702
----------------------------------------------
Belden Village Music
6787 Wales Ave NW
North Canton, OH 44720
beldenvillagemusic.com
330-497-9292
----------------------------------------------
Rosalio B & Maria I Rivera
444 Wales Rd. NE
Massillon, OH 44646-5875
330-833-4291
----------------------------------------------
PO Box 35093
Canton, OH 44735
'----------------------------------------------'

Sister:
.---------------------------------------.
Carol L. & Ric A. Campbell
{ son Richard }
{ son Christopher (North Canton, OH) }
{ son Brandon (=E2=80=A0 30 May 1996) }
{ daughter Erin }

6794 William Tell Ave NW
North Canton, OH 44720-6546
330-497-7980
330-499-5107
---------------------------------------
PO Box 36473
Canton, OH 44735
'---------------------------------------'

Sister:
.----------------------------------.
Christine H. & Shelton M. Vick
{ son Matthew }

3915 Harvard Ave NW
Canton, OH 44709-1538
330-493-5645
----------------------------------
Re/Max Edge Realty
North Canton / Massillon / Canton
Realtor Christine H. Vick

6929 Portage St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-6535
330-236-5100
888-830-6509 (fax)
330-904-0883 (cell)
www.MyOhioHomeFinder.com
MyOhioHomeFinder@gmail.com
'----------------------------------'

Sister:
.----------------------------.
Angela C. & Mark Warshefski

11 SE 12th St.
Pompano Beach, FL 33060
954-785-4716
----------------------------
4760 Echovalley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-7504
330-942-0584
'----------------------------'

Cousin:
.-------------------------.
Eddy Dailey

Bergholz Super Mart
861 Washington St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-1018
-------------------------
Bergholz Financial Corp.
dba SuperMart
PO Box 545
524 Garfield St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
'-------------------------'

Cousin:
.--------------------.
Donna L. Dailey

524 5th St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-2416
--------------------
Bergholz Super Mart
861 Washington St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-1018
--------------------
Bergholz, OH EMT
'--------------------'

Cousin:
.-------------------.
Bill & Joyce Leas
{ son Billy }

243 2nd St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
'-------------------'

Niece:
.---------------------------.
Rachel & Adam T. Livengood
{ son Lukas }
{ daughter Lauren }

6342 Palmer Dr. NW
Canton, OH 44718
330-497-7754
'---------------------------'

Izzatchoo, or yer dead daddy?
.--------------------------------.
William M. Griffith

between 3rd and 4th St.
between Monroe and Lincoln Ave.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-2539
'--------------------------------'

What would yer landlord for 308 10th St. NE,
North Canton, OH say if they learned yer secrets?
.----------------------------.
David S. and Joan R. Shaner

2095 Waterbury Dr.
Uniontown OH 44312
330-699-4042
'----------------------------'

What would the employees at yer family's
business say if they learned yer secrets?
.-----------------------------------------.
Ohio Kentucky Oil Corporation
aka Ohio Oil & Gas Exploration (defunct)
aka Ohio Kentucky Coal Company (defunct)

5112 Portage St. NW
Canton, OH 44720-6856
(330) 494-8810
(330) 497-7980
-----------------------------------------
110 E. Lowry Lane
Lexington, KY 40503
(800) BUY 4 OIL
(800) 289-4645
(859) 223-5656
(859) 223-5946
(859) 276-0699 (fax)
(859) 276-3500
(859) 276-4080
-----------------------------------------
http://www.ohiokentuckyoil.com
oilstrike@insightbb.com
admin@ohiokentuckyoil.net
'-----------------------------------------'

----------
Oh, but wait, Ohio Oil & Gas Exploration is no longer incorporated in
Ohio:
Daddy Griffith's petrol exploration company (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=3D100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:=
P7_CHARTER_NUM:384125

Nor are any of the other businesses yer daddy started. You let them
all fail:
Daddy Griffith's stables (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=3D100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:=
P7_CHARTER_NUM:377966

Daddy Griffith's motel business (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=3D100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:=
P7_CHARTER_NUM:377965

Daddy Griffith's drilling company (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=3D100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:=
P7_CHARTER_NUM:347837

Daddy Griffith's metals business (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=3D100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:=
P7_CHARTER_NUM:552193

And Ohio Kentucky Oil Corporation is on its last legs, inundated with
securities fraud lawsuits and EPA lawsuits. It's barred from
soliciting investors in Tennessee, it's under investigation in Ohio
and Kentucky, it owns no oil assets or wells, and it no longer does
any of its own drilling. It'll be gone soon, too.

And you've squandered everything Daddy Griffith earned from his
businesses, so yer now poor, adding insult to injury.
----------

You being poor is why you issued the following. You knew you didn't
have ten thousand dollars or so to defend yerself against yet another
lawsuit:

William Malone Griffith, II's grovelfest of an apology for being a
fucktard stauker:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/browse_thread/thread/8d75=
3c94bd612f4e
http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/3859383/meat_plow_exposed
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/c9fccf0d1ab26ace
Message-ID: <3n4c2e.bi4.17.1@news.alt.net>

Title: Apology to Charles Novins

The witnesses to this abject, groveling apology:

Angela Griffith =3D Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski, William Malone
Griffith, Jr.'s sister

Catherine Griffith =3D William Malone Griffith, Jr.'s mother

Julia M. Griffith =3D ?

Cheri Griffith =3D Cheryl J. Griffith-Rivera, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister

Justin Griffith =3D ?

Kristy Griffith =3D Christine H. Griffith-Vick, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister

-----

Questions yet to be answered:
Who are Julia M. Griffith and Justin Griffith?

Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski came all the way from Pompano Beach,
Florida to witness and sign MeatPlow's apology letter?

Or did William Malone Griffith, Jr. forge the witness signatures,
which would indicate some level of insincerity in the apology?

If William Malone Griffith, Jr. did indeed forge the witness
signatures, is his family cognizant of him using them in this way?
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

The exit is -.
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'-. `-----|-' |
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'------------->
thataway

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 26 2011 10:13 pm
From: "Wild_Bill"

For those who believe that the output of a guitar pickup is primarily
related to the coils' DC resistance readings, I suggest some reading would
be worthwhile.

Not from sources where the "experts" claim that the output of this model of
pickup is 13.8, when they don't even understand what the 13.8 on their ohm
meter represents.
These are often the same folks that routinely refer to the cable connector
on the guitar as the Input Jack.

The only importance of the 13.8 reading is that's the only thing their $5
DMM from Harbor Freight tells them.
Immediately they understand that a 13.8 is almost twice as hot as a 7, while
their misguided deduction realistically doesn't mean squat.

--
Cheers,
WB
.............

"Wild_Bill" <wb_wildbill@XSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:XbmLp.51997$BZ.33265@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>I know there are at least a few participants here who have guitars, so I
>was wondering if anyone here has attemped a Ringer Test (inductor Q) on
>guitar pickups.
>

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TOPIC: Decoding IC combined batch+date code
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/8c09874bd7a100da?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 26 2011 7:55 pm
From: Franc Zabkar

On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:14:17 +0100, "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>Manufacturer's datasheet has no info on it but does carry a graphic showing
>a representative label with this example as
>N5BXXA
>the ones I have in front of me have marking under the logo and device number
>of batch+date code
>N5H6PB
>can anything be inferred from the use of XX in the graphic and hence meaning
>of 6P ?

It may help if we knew what you know about the mystery component. ;-)

Who is the manufacturer? What is "the logo"? What is the "device
number"? Where can we download a "datasheet"?

What is "it"?

A photo may help. In fact it's often worth more than a 1000 bytes. ;-)

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

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TOPIC: Are faulty APC UPS's easy repairs or is it throw in the trash?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/afd84408acb5d795?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 26 2011 9:12 pm
From: "Kevin ."

On May 19, 6:43 am, "Stephen" <i.want.s...@spam.com> wrote:
> Hi, I have two faulty APC BackUPS CS500's each with a different fault.
>
> The first unit will switch to battery when there is a power cut. However,
> when the power is restored, it will not switch back to mains power, it
> remains on the battery till it goes flat.
>
> The 2nd one will not power up when pressing the on/off button on the front
> of the unit.
>
> I have a third working identicial UPS and I have tried the battery out of
> this one in the two faulty units and its NOT the battery.
>
> Are these likely to be an easy repair or shall I flog them on Ebay for
> spares?
>
> Stephen

The CS500 and CS350 units were part of a recall (overheat/fire hazard)
The recall has ended, and the notice has been removed from apc's site,
it seems.

Affected Model#: BK350, BK500, BK500BLK

Only units where the first six (6) characters of the serial number
fall within the following ranges are affected.

AB0048 through AB0251
BB0104 through BB0251
JB0125 through JB0251

Any units with an "R" at the end of the serial number are not part of
the recall.

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TOPIC: Benefits of LED Lightening
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/b79f101db1d33f9b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 26 2011 10:22 pm
From: "Wild_Bill"

The dollar store solution sounds much easier than putting forth an effort to
overcome/defeat your achluophobia.. but it's still wasteful of energy.

I'm just sayin'

--
Cheers,
WB
.............

> I have some LED night lights that draw 0.4 watts that I leave on
> all the time. Each light costs about 35 cents a year to operate
> 24 hours a day. Previously I used the 7 watt night lights which
> burn out regularly, and would cost $6.10 a year under the same
> conditions..... I LIKE the LEDs a lot....
> I bought them at the Dollar Tree store for a dollar apiece....
>
> Andy in Eureka, Texas

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 26 2011 11:06 pm
From: "Wild_Bill"

What the eco-parrot-puppets fail to recognize is that manufacturing the
plastics and components for the new technology LED lighting, create a lot of
pollutants.. and uses considerable energy.

There is no wasted heat from incandescent lamps during the colder months
which is over 6 months per year in some locations. Where does that make-up
heat come from?

The new LED lamps have one purpose.. to separate you from your money.

The new 100W screw-in LED replacements are supposed to be widely available
this year and are expected to cost about $40-50 each.

Incandescent 100W lamps are maybe 40-50 Cents each.. and they're being
banned in the US later this year.
It's for your own good.. don't worry.

Oohhhh.. but the LEDs they last like, almost forever.
Sure they will, manufactured with the cheapest components available, made as
cheaply as possible.. with Lead-Free solder.
Most likely manufactured in a country that has been opening new coal-burning
power plants at a rate of one new plant every week.
It's not a democratic country/society, and they're not even christians, fer
christs sake.

I have yet to get more than about 2 years from those 5-7 year CF lamps. The
CFs insure rampant pollution by spreading mercury and more electronic waste.

I haven't seen many LEDs that give off white light, some are bluish, others
kinda red.

LEDs appear to be extremely bright when you look directly into them, well,
the lens that makes up the body.. so they make great indicators for
appliances or electronic devices, but that's not the same as trying to
illuminate a room with LEDs.
Without the proper reflectors, even high-power 3W LEDs don't "throw" light
very effectively.

You can believe it.. LED lamps will be the salvation of the human race..
aren't we there yet?

--
Cheers,
WB
.............

"Barb McHaugh" <jannete09@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7810c925-ae31-4181-b8c7-f5ad4e579aad@l2g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> [url=http://www.solunagreen.com/]LED lights [/url] are a wonderful
> invention that has changed the way the world is lit. Not only are they
> long lasting, they have many environmental benefits. LED lights are
> four times more efficient than a regular incandescent light bulb and
> last 10 times as long. LED lights also use between 50 and 80 percent
> less energy than an incandescent bulb.By switching to low energy LED
> home lighting in your home, even one bulb will keep one half of a ton
> of carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere through the lifetime of the
> bulb instead of using incandescent bulbs. Switching also keeps sulfur
> oxide and nuclear waste out of the atmosphere as well, leading to a
> cleaner world and one that will last much longer.

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TOPIC: Video - Funniest Motorcycle Crash Ever!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 27 2011 1:15 am
From: "Brave Burger"

asdf@aol.com wrote:
> Maybe the funniest motorcycle crash ever. Watch as the crazy bikes
> spin around the track as their clumsy riders run around trying to
> separate the out of control bikes.
>
> Round and round they go where they stop nobody knows.
>
> http://www.craigboyce.com/w/2011/06/funniest-motorcycle-crash-video/

Yep then you know that God has it in for you ;o)

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