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* Motor start/stop switch with integrated mini contactor? - 2 messages, 2
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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/13b233689d902984?hl=en
* OT: exploring inside an LCD backlight area - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/0a88475fdf40fbd1?hl=en
* Heathkit QM1 Q meter - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/c2c9e623a031bda1?hl=en
* WHO IS JESUS ????????? - 7 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/9f51af72f44a3e39?hl=en
* Mitsubishi U65 VCR component ident question! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/17ef8631ec350f64?hl=en
* Contactor coil: 50 Hz vs. 60 Hz - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/0d1a06068779ce43?hl=en
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TOPIC: Motor start/stop switch with integrated mini contactor?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/13b233689d902984?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Sep 4 2011 10:00 pm
From: The Ghost In The Machine
On Aug 28, 3:03 pm, DaveC <inva...@invalid.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> I just became aware of this item:
>
> <http://img-europe.electrocomponents.com/images/R3985229-01.jpg>
>
> Data sheet here:
>
> <http://www.pdfdoc.ru/data/pdf42805>
>
> It includes a 2-pole 16A contactor in that little size. Can also be ordered
> with the option of external connection for safety stop push-button switch.
>
> I can't find a USA distributor for these. Anybody know where to get these?
>
> The company is in Germany:
>
> <http://www.eichhoff.com/unternehmen_ueber-eichhoff_en.php>
>
> Or is there a domestic (USA) product that is similar?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
Sorry Dave...freaking macrospasmatic michael the moron just doesn't
know who from what anymore.
I'll get you a seasoned cool tech for 75$ and hour to do this vwork
for you.
BOOWWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
ROY IS IN CUSTODY FOR SHOOTING HIS SUPERINTENDENT IN THE HEAD.
THE SUPER SURVIVED WITH A CLEAN HOLE THROU HIS NOGGIN, BUT THEY
DETAINED HIM WHEN HE STARTED OUT AFTER THE LAND LORD.....THEY DROVE
THE POOR OLD LAD TOO FAR THIS TIME ;(
BOOWAHAHAHAHA !
PATECUM
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 6 2011 2:44 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"
Charles wrote:
>
> It would be a real blast to see all of the posers in one or more of these
> arenas:
> 4/ Street in an Atlanta ghetto
Why would we want to visit you, in your ghetto? Roy J Quijano of
Bronx, Ny. has been making death threats for years. It doesn't surprise
me that you are interested in his mindless rants and threats.
--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.
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TOPIC: OT: exploring inside an LCD backlight area
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/0a88475fdf40fbd1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 5 2011 1:17 am
From: "N_Cook"
For a laptop if different in a TV. Is there a specific name for those sheets
of diffuser/refractor plastic. Look like a conflation of "straightened"
Fresnel lens and stationary image of TV picture noise but semirandom under
x30 viewing. I've never understood why no apparent unevenness of
illumination over the height of the screen and still don't see why that is .
Something to do with , in this case, 3 sheets of different grades and
thickness of diffussion sheet?. Also anyone know how much shorter a light
tube replacement you can get away with before the edges of the screen become
a/ unviewable , b/ noticeably less lit as a band at screen edges
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TOPIC: Heathkit QM1 Q meter
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/c2c9e623a031bda1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 5 2011 4:42 am
From: "Rick"
"klem kedidelhopper" <captainvideo462009@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:75001f37-74dc-455a-91f6-9ad37e3d3d1b@n19g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>I picked this meter up the other day. It came from a school lab and
> appears to have been taken care of. It also has the original external
> factory supplied calibration coil as well. I have been able to find
> only limited information on this unit, such as an unreadable schematic
> and only about four pages from the manual. I would like to try
> experimenting with this thing so I was wondering if anyone might have
> a manual for this model that they would be willing to share or perhaps
> know of a link where I might find one? Thanks, Lenny
Try this http://www.nostalgickitscentral.com/heath/products/test.html
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TOPIC: WHO IS JESUS ?????????
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/9f51af72f44a3e39?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 5 2011 7:11 am
From: bv
WHO IS JESUS?
Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the
second person in the "Holy trinity." However, the very Bible which is
used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for
doctrine within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge you to
consult your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are
not drawn out of context:
1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
When speaking of the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a
limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the
son, but the Father." Mark 13:32 , and Matt 24:36. But God knows all.
His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own
admission, did not know when the day of judgment would be, is clear
proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not
God.
2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the
power he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said,
"Verily, verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but
what he seeth the Father do..." St. John 5:19. Again he said, "I can
of mine own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgment is
just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father
which hath sent me." St. John 5:30. But God is not only all-powerful,
He is also the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his
own admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus
is not all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.
3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God.
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call
upon nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was one
whom he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "l ascend unto
my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." St. John
20:17. He is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My
God, my God why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. If Jesus were God,
then couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself why hast thou forsaken
me?" Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's
prayer (Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to ! himself? When in the garden
of Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup
pass from me: Nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt." Matt
26:36-39. Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own
admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and prayed
to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.
4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that
this could not be done with God when he said. "No man hath seen God at
any time." St. John 1:18. '"Ye have neith! er heard His voice at any
time nor seen His shape." < st1:place>St. John 5:37. He also said in
St. John 4:24. "God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship
him in spirit and in truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen
or heard God at any time, while his followers both saw and heard him,
is clear proof that Jesus was not God.
5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus
acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct from
his own.
Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth
of Jesus himself who said in St. John 14:28, "My Father is greater
than I." When someone referred to him as good master in Matt 19:17 ,
Jesus responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but
one, that is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions
between himself and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from
God, neither came I of myself but He sent me." St. John 8:42. Jesus
gave clear evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his
equality with God, when he said in Luke 22:42 , "not my will but thine
be done" and in St. John 5:30 , ! "I seek not mine own will but the
will of the Father which hath sent m e." That Jesus would admit that
he did not come into the world on his own initiative but was directed
to do so, that he would acknowledge another being as greater than
himself, and that he would negate his own will in deference to
affirming the will of another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the
Supreme One and therefore Jesus is not God.
Conclusion
The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge
about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is
not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what
basis have you come to believe otherwise?
My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity
is false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as
presented in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect unity.
If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to
Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.
What is the word of God about Jesus:
A. Regarding Sonship of Jesus:
That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they
are doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to
Him! When He decrees a thing he but says to it "Be", and it is.
(Qur'an 19:34,35).
And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You
have indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent
of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall
down crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful a son;
and it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son. None is there in
the heavens and earth but comes to the All-Merciful as a servant
(Qur'an 19:88-93).
Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He
created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was. (Qur'an
3:59).
People ! of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and
say not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was
only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and
a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers. and say not,
'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be
on Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs that which is in
the heavens and on the earth, God suffices for a guardian. (Qur'an
4:171)
B. Regarding Jesus being God:
And when God said. 'O Jesus son of Mary,did you say unto men, "Take me
and my mother as gods, apart from God?" He Said, 'To You be Glory! It
is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, You
knew it, knowing what is within my soul, and I do not know what is
within Your soul; You know the things unseen. I only said to them what
You did command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a
witness over them, while I remained among them; but when You did take
me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You ar! e the witness of
everything. (Quran 5:116,117)
C. Regarding Crucifiction of Jesus:
And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty
calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of
Mary, the Messenger of God'...yet they did not slay him, neither
crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who
are at variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they
have no knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they
did not slay him of certainty... no indeed, God raised him up to Him;
God is Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book
but will assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the
Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an 4:156-159)
IF YOU WISH TO KNOW MORE ABOUT ISLAM, WE PREFER TO VISIT THE FOLLOWING
WEBSITES:
http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran
http://www.islamhouse.com/s/9661
http://www.quran-m.com/firas/en1
http://www.rasoulallah.net/v2/index.aspx?lang=e
http://www.thetruereligion.org
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran
http://www.prophetmuhammed.org
http://www.chatislamonline.org/ar
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 5 2011 9:10 am
From: "Shaun"
What does this have to do with electronics repair you moron! Piss off and
post in the appropriate forum or newsgroup.
Jesus was a man that lived ~ 2000 years ago that died for who others thought
he was and for what he believed in and was martyred (made into a more
important person than what he was). The end.
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"bv" wrote in message
news:4dcc6b27-fa8f-4cc4-8bd5-b048d3e164bc@u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com...
WHO IS JESUS?
Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the
second person in the "Holy trinity." However, the very Bible which is
used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for
doctrine within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge you to
consult your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are
not drawn out of context:
1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
When speaking of the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a
limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the
son, but the Father." Mark 13:32 , and Matt 24:36. But God knows all.
His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own
admission, did not know when the day of judgment would be, is clear
proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not
God.
2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the
power he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said,
"Verily, verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but
what he seeth the Father do..." St. John 5:19. Again he said, "I can
of mine own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgment is
just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father
which hath sent me." St. John 5:30. But God is not only all-powerful,
He is also the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his
own admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus
is not all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.
3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God.
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call
upon nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was one
whom he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "l ascend unto
my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." St. John
20:17. He is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My
God, my God why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. If Jesus were God,
then couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself why hast thou forsaken
me?" Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's
prayer (Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to ! himself? When in the garden
of Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup
pass from me: Nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt." Matt
26:36-39. Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own
admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and prayed
to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.
4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that
this could not be done with God when he said. "No man hath seen God at
any time." St. John 1:18. '"Ye have neith! er heard His voice at any
time nor seen His shape." < st1:place>St. John 5:37. He also said in
St. John 4:24. "God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship
him in spirit and in truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen
or heard God at any time, while his followers both saw and heard him,
is clear proof that Jesus was not God.
5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus
acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct from
his own.
Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth
of Jesus himself who said in St. John 14:28, "My Father is greater
than I." When someone referred to him as good master in Matt 19:17 ,
Jesus responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but
one, that is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions
between himself and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from
God, neither came I of myself but He sent me." St. John 8:42. Jesus
gave clear evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his
equality with God, when he said in Luke 22:42 , "not my will but thine
be done" and in St. John 5:30 , ! "I seek not mine own will but the
will of the Father which hath sent m e." That Jesus would admit that
he did not come into the world on his own initiative but was directed
to do so, that he would acknowledge another being as greater than
himself, and that he would negate his own will in deference to
affirming the will of another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the
Supreme One and therefore Jesus is not God.
Conclusion
The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge
about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is
not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what
basis have you come to believe otherwise?
My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity
is false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as
presented in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect unity.
If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to
Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.
What is the word of God about Jesus:
A. Regarding Sonship of Jesus:
That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they
are doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to
Him! When He decrees a thing he but says to it "Be", and it is.
(Qur'an 19:34,35).
And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You
have indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent
of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall
down crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful a son;
and it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son. None is there in
the heavens and earth but comes to the All-Merciful as a servant
(Qur'an 19:88-93).
Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He
created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was. (Qur'an
3:59).
People ! of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and
say not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was
only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and
a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers. and say not,
'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be
on Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs that which is in
the heavens and on the earth, God suffices for a guardian. (Qur'an
4:171)
B. Regarding Jesus being God:
And when God said. 'O Jesus son of Mary,did you say unto men, "Take me
and my mother as gods, apart from God?" He Said, 'To You be Glory! It
is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, You
knew it, knowing what is within my soul, and I do not know what is
within Your soul; You know the things unseen. I only said to them what
You did command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a
witness over them, while I remained among them; but when You did take
me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You ar! e the witness of
everything. (Quran 5:116,117)
C. Regarding Crucifiction of Jesus:
And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty
calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of
Mary, the Messenger of God'...yet they did not slay him, neither
crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who
are at variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they
have no knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they
did not slay him of certainty... no indeed, God raised him up to Him;
God is Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book
but will assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the
Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an 4:156-159)
IF YOU WISH TO KNOW MORE ABOUT ISLAM, WE PREFER TO VISIT THE FOLLOWING
WEBSITES:
http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran
http://www.islamhouse.com/s/9661
http://www.quran-m.com/firas/en1
http://www.rasoulallah.net/v2/index.aspx?lang=e
http://www.thetruereligion.org
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran
http://www.prophetmuhammed.org
http://www.chatislamonline.org/ar
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 5 2011 9:26 am
From: "Shaun"
"Shaun" wrote in message news:Av69q.13895$cx4.9058@newsfe04.iad...
What does this have to do with electronics repair you moron! Piss off and
post in the appropriate forum or newsgroup.
Jesus was a man that lived ~ 2000 years ago that died for who others thought
he was and for what he believed in and was martyred (made into a more
important person than what he was). The end.
I should add that jesus was tortured to death by being nailed to a wooden
poll with a cross brace on it that his hands were nailed too, he was given
no food or water and eventually died. This torture device, now a symbol of
the cross, is now the symbol of the Christian religion . That really make
me want to become a Christian where the symbol for the religion is a
torture device.
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"bv" wrote in message
news:4dcc6b27-fa8f-4cc4-8bd5-b048d3e164bc@u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com...
WHO IS JESUS?
Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the
second person in the "Holy trinity." However, the very Bible which is
used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for
doctrine within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge you to
consult your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are
not drawn out of context:
1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
When speaking of the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a
limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the
son, but the Father." Mark 13:32 , and Matt 24:36. But God knows all.
His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own
admission, did not know when the day of judgment would be, is clear
proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not
God.
2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the
power he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said,
"Verily, verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but
what he seeth the Father do..." St. John 5:19. Again he said, "I can
of mine own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgment is
just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father
which hath sent me." St. John 5:30. But God is not only all-powerful,
He is also the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his
own admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus
is not all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.
3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God.
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call
upon nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was one
whom he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "l ascend unto
my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." St. John
20:17. He is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My
God, my God why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. If Jesus were God,
then couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself why hast thou forsaken
me?" Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's
prayer (Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to ! himself? When in the garden
of Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup
pass from me: Nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt." Matt
26:36-39. Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own
admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and prayed
to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.
4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that
this could not be done with God when he said. "No man hath seen God at
any time." St. John 1:18. '"Ye have neith! er heard His voice at any
time nor seen His shape." < st1:place>St. John 5:37. He also said in
St. John 4:24. "God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship
him in spirit and in truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen
or heard God at any time, while his followers both saw and heard him,
is clear proof that Jesus was not God.
5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus
acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct from
his own.
Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth
of Jesus himself who said in St. John 14:28, "My Father is greater
than I." When someone referred to him as good master in Matt 19:17 ,
Jesus responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but
one, that is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions
between himself and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from
God, neither came I of myself but He sent me." St. John 8:42. Jesus
gave clear evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his
equality with God, when he said in Luke 22:42 , "not my will but thine
be done" and in St. John 5:30 , ! "I seek not mine own will but the
will of the Father which hath sent m e." That Jesus would admit that
he did not come into the world on his own initiative but was directed
to do so, that he would acknowledge another being as greater than
himself, and that he would negate his own will in deference to
affirming the will of another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the
Supreme One and therefore Jesus is not God.
Conclusion
The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge
about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is
not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what
basis have you come to believe otherwise?
My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity
is false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as
presented in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect unity.
If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to
Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.
What is the word of God about Jesus:
A. Regarding Sonship of Jesus:
That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they
are doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to
Him! When He decrees a thing he but says to it "Be", and it is.
(Qur'an 19:34,35).
And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You
have indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent
of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall
down crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful a son;
and it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son. None is there in
the heavens and earth but comes to the All-Merciful as a servant
(Qur'an 19:88-93).
Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He
created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was. (Qur'an
3:59).
People ! of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and
say not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was
only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and
a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers. and say not,
'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be
on Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs that which is in
the heavens and on the earth, God suffices for a guardian. (Qur'an
4:171)
B. Regarding Jesus being God:
And when God said. 'O Jesus son of Mary,did you say unto men, "Take me
and my mother as gods, apart from God?" He Said, 'To You be Glory! It
is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, You
knew it, knowing what is within my soul, and I do not know what is
within Your soul; You know the things unseen. I only said to them what
You did command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a
witness over them, while I remained among them; but when You did take
me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You ar! e the witness of
everything. (Quran 5:116,117)
C. Regarding Crucifiction of Jesus:
And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty
calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of
Mary, the Messenger of God'...yet they did not slay him, neither
crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who
are at variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they
have no knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they
did not slay him of certainty... no indeed, God raised him up to Him;
God is Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book
but will assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the
Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an 4:156-159)
IF YOU WISH TO KNOW MORE ABOUT ISLAM, WE PREFER TO VISIT THE FOLLOWING
WEBSITES:
http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran
http://www.islamhouse.com/s/9661
http://www.quran-m.com/firas/en1
http://www.rasoulallah.net/v2/index.aspx?lang=e
http://www.thetruereligion.org
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran
http://www.prophetmuhammed.org
http://www.chatislamonline.org/ar
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 5 2011 10:43 am
From: RosemontCrest
On 9/5/2011 9:26 AM, Shaun wrote:
>
>
> "Shaun" wrote in message news:Av69q.13895$cx4.9058@newsfe04.iad...
>
> What does this have to do with electronics repair you moron! Piss off and
> post in the appropriate forum or newsgroup.
>
> Jesus was a man that lived ~ 2000 years ago that died for who others
> thought
> he was and for what he believed in and was martyred (made into a more
> important person than what he was). The end.
>
> I should add that jesus was tortured to death by being nailed to a
> wooden poll with a cross brace on it that his hands were nailed too, he
> was given no food or water and eventually died. This torture device, now
> a symbol of the cross, is now the symbol of the Christian religion .
> That really make me want to become a Christian where the symbol for the
> religion is a torture device.
Welcome to my kill file. You are worse than the OP.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 5 2011 11:05 am
From: "Shaun"
"RosemontCrest" wrote in message news:j431n3$q3o$1@dont-email.me...
On 9/5/2011 9:26 AM, Shaun wrote:
>
>
> "Shaun" wrote in message news:Av69q.13895$cx4.9058@newsfe04.iad...
>
> What does this have to do with electronics repair you moron! Piss off and
> post in the appropriate forum or newsgroup.
>
> Jesus was a man that lived ~ 2000 years ago that died for who others
> thought
> he was and for what he believed in and was martyred (made into a more
> important person than what he was). The end.
>
> I should add that jesus was tortured to death by being nailed to a
> wooden poll with a cross brace on it that his hands were nailed too, he
> was given no food or water and eventually died. This torture device, now
> a symbol of the cross, is now the symbol of the Christian religion .
> That really make me want to become a Christian where the symbol for the
> religion is a torture device.
Welcome to my kill file. You are worse than the OP.
Like I really care asshole!
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 5 2011 12:45 pm
From: Evan Platt
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 11:26:32 -0500, "Shaun" <spam@nomail.com> wrote:
>
>
>"Shaun" wrote in message news:Av69q.13895$cx4.9058@newsfe04.iad...
>
>What does this have to do with electronics repair you moron! Piss off and
>post in the appropriate forum or newsgroup.
Absolutely nothing. And for those of us that may have missed the spam
the first time, you reposted the entire thing not once, but twice.
--
To reply via e-mail, remove The Obvious and .invalid from my e-mail address.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 5 2011 8:34 pm
From: Muppet
On 6/09/2011 12:11 AM, bv wrote:
> WHO IS JESUS?
I know who he is. He is the only guy in the world to have popped his
mother's cherry - on the way out.
That the one you are rabbiting on about?
You are wasting your time - I have never met a Christian yet who really
believed in the Bible. Being a Christian for most really comes down to
the box that you tick on a census form - nothing more. When you realise
that on a world wide basis there are only enough pews in Churches to
seat two percent of those who claim to be Christians, you can see how
many actually are regular Church goers.
The last time I was in Church they poured water on my head - I'm not
going back!
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TOPIC: Mitsubishi U65 VCR component ident question!
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/17ef8631ec350f64?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 5 2011 7:47 am
From: "nutprof"
thanks for the advice, but no luck.... :(
"b" <reverend_rogers@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a438a789-8f45-4ee4-a261-87a33688f350@m18g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 2, 9:41 pm, "nutprof" <nutty...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Can no-one help me with these 2 resistors? Please?
try eserviceinfo.com, see if the schematic is there.
good luck
B
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TOPIC: Contactor coil: 50 Hz vs. 60 Hz
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/0d1a06068779ce43?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 5 2011 5:38 pm
From: NT
On Sep 4, 3:25 pm, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 06:50:56 -0700 (PDT), NT <meow2...@care2.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Sep 4, 11:06 am, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 17:57:46 -0700 (PDT), NT <meow2...@care2.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Sep 3, 6:50 pm, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 10:13:51 -0700 (PDT), NT <meow2...@care2.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >On Sep 2, 8:41 pm, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> Snipped a lot of repetitious, self serving nonsense.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> and if the relay is
> >> >> >> >> >> designed to operate on AC with a certain RMS current in its coil, how
> >> >> >> >> >> can it possibly overheat if that current is DC?
>
> >> >> >> >> >With the same current it wont, with higher curren ti will. IIRC you
> >> >> >> >> >proposed using 174v rms,
>
> >> >> >> >> No, I merely added a capacitor across the output of _your_ proposed
> >> >> >> >> full wave rectified 120 VRMS 60Hz source (170V peak) in order to get
> >> >> >> >> smoothed DC closer to the relay's must-make current.
>
> >> >> >> >fwliw I said use diodes, you came back with a FW BR. I dont think it
> >> >> >> >matters.
>
> >> >> >> ---
> >> >> >> Then show me your circuit.
>
> >> >> >> Just in case you've forgotten, your suggestion was to use a 240V AC
> >> >> >> relay using diodes and 120V mains.
> >> >> >> ---
>
> >> >> >> >> >that would be ok on your specific relay, but
> >> >> >> >> >not a universal solution.
>
> >> >> >> >> ???
>
> >> >> >> >Your proposd BR+C delivers the right i for one specific relay. For
> >> >> >> >some relays it will fry them.
>
> >> >> >> ---
> >> >> >> Show me.
>
> >> >> >If you want to go get some specs of other relays, you can. This is
> >> >> >starting to get silly.
>
> >> >> ---
> >> >> Translation: "I can do neither, but let me see what I can do to duck
> >> >> out of here without losing too much face."
>
> >> >translation: if you want to go teach yoursef, youre free to. I'm not
> >> >puting however many hours in for you for free.
>
> >> ---
> >> You're the one who made the accusations, copycat, so it's up to you to
> >> prove them.
>
> >I havent made any accusations
>
> ---
> OK, then, unsubstantiated claims.
> ---
>
> >> The fact is, you can't, since you have no working circuit which isn't
> >> a full-wave bridge yet uses more than one diode,
>
> >what are you talking about
>
> ---
> You don't know?
>
> By claiming to use "diodes" the meaning is taken that more than one
> will be used.
>
> My request was simply to show the circuit.
>
> Can you?
> ---
>
> >> and there is no relay
> >> with a 240VAC coil which will fry when driven with perfectly rectified
> >> and smoothed 120VAC.
>
> >So your sample of one proves it for all relays? Do all have the same L/
> >R ratio?
>
> ---
> Unless you can prove my claim is wrong, somehow, my claim stands
> undefeated.
> ---
>
> >> If you had either you'd post proof but, instead, you choose to be
> >> ignominious.
>
> >You get stupid and make personal insults,
>
> ---
> PKB???
> ---
>
> >AND expect the person you
> >insult to spend time for you for nothing.
>
> ---
> I really expect nothing from you, and you may find being called
> ignominious insulting, but I was just stating a fact.
> ---
>
> >No, it is not my job, like
> >everyone here I only write when I have time & feel like it, and its
> >not my concern whether you look stuff up or not.
>
> ---
> Well, since it's not my job to do _your_ legwork, and you refuse to
> back up what you claim to be true, this discussion is over.
>
> --
> JF
what a waste of time
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