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TOPIC: Contactor coil: 50 Hz vs. 60 Hz
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/0d1a06068779ce43?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 31 2011 10:54 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

John S wrote:
>
> On 8/31/2011 1:06 PM, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> >
> > YES A-NT-MAN BUT THE RMS REFERS TO THE AC WAVEFORM NOT THE DC OUTPUT.
> > HENCE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RMS DC VOLTAGE.
> > PATECUM
> > TGITM
>
> Actually, RMS DC voltage is a redundant expression since DC is RMS.

RMS = 'Roy? Mouthy & Stupid.'

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 6:32 am
From: Ralph Barone

In article <j3maps$5tk$1@dont-email.me>, John S <sophi.2@invalid.org>
wrote:

> On 8/31/2011 2:33 PM, NT wrote:
> > On Aug 31, 7:11 pm, John S<soph...@invalid.org> wrote:
> >> On 8/31/2011 1:06 PM, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> YES A-NT-MAN BUT THE RMS REFERS TO THE AC WAVEFORM NOT THE DC OUTPUT.
> >>> HENCE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RMS DC VOLTAGE.
> >>> PATECUM
> >>> TGITM
> >
> > Root Mean Square does not imply an ac waveform, its jsut most commonly
> > used for ac waveforms. Every stable waveform has an rms value, even
> > perfect dc.
> >
> >
> >> Actually, RMS DC voltage is a redundant expression since DC is RMS.
> >
> > I realised it was perhaps not the best phrasing. But... would the dc
> > component be the average V or the rms?
> >
> >
> > NT
>
> DC is all of the following: Average, Peak, RMS, Mean, Mode, and most
> anything else.
>
> John S

but not peak to peak...

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 3:08 pm
From: NT

On Sep 1, 5:54 am, "Don Kelly" <d...@shawcross.ca> wrote:
> "NT" wrote in message
> news:acc067aa-0f17-4b7b-bf83-b69635d726c0@s12g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 31, 1:36 am, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 05:11:20 -0700 (PDT), NT <meow2...@care2.com>
> > wrote:
> > >On Aug 30, 12:39 pm, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com>
> > >wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 07:25:23 -0700 (PDT), NT <meow2...@care2.com>
> > >> wrote:

> > >> >IME relays pull in at in the region of half rated voltage, and dc
> > >> >ratings are typically about half the voltage of the ac rating, which
> > >> >gives an idea of how much current is determined by L and how much by
> > >> >R.
>
> > >> ---
> > >> IME, most relays (with either AC or DC coils) are guaranteed to pull
> > >> in at about 80% of their rated coil voltage, so I'm at a loss trying
> > >> to understand what you meant by: "dc ratings are typically about half
> > >> of the ac rating."
>
> > >> Can you elaborate, please?
>
> > >When relays have dual ratings for ac and dc, its normal for the dc
> > >voltage rating to be half the ac voltage rating.
>
> > >> >Running your relay on 220v 60Hz it will work fine.
>
> > >> Knowing nothing about the contactor, other than that it's specified to
> > >> energize when 240V 50Hz is placed across the coil, your imprimatur is
> > >> premature.
>
> > >I really dont agree. I do know the basics about relays, and one
> > >normally finds that pull-in occurs at around 50% rated voltage. The OP
> > >is welcome to test theirs to see if it behaves the usual way.
>
> > >> >Contact closing speed will be slightly slower. Margin will be reduced,
> > >> >but its only being reduced from enormous to slightly less enormous,
> > >> >so its a non-issue except in very unusual situations.
>
> > >> It seems you've forgotten that when the armature makes, and the
> > >> magnetic circuit is closed, the inductance of the coil will rise.
>
> > >I dont know why you think I've forgotten it. What's relevant here is
> > >inductance in the closed position.
>
> > I disagree.
>
> > Since the relay is open when power is applied to the coil, it's the
> > open inductance (and the resistance, of course) which will determine
> > how much current will flow through the coil, that current being what
> > generates the magnetic field to start the armature on its way.
>
> yup
>
> > Then when the relay closes, the closed inductance comes into play and
> > holds the armature in place until the current through the coil is
> > reduced to a point where the armature's return spring overcomes the
> > weakened magnetic field, allowing the armature to open.
>
> yes. I guess in theory both matter, one determines closing behaviour,
> the other ensures the relay doesnt overheat. In practice though the
> margins are very large, and its normal to simply fix holding current
> to suit the relay, and not worry about closing current, which will be
> so close as to make no real world difference in all but exceptional
> circumstances. But yes, we can consider both if need be.
>
>
>
> > >> Such being the case, the current in it will diminish,
>
> > >true with all relays under all ac conditions. Theyre designed to work
> > >that way.
>
> > >> reducing the
> > >> hold on the armature and making the contacts more likely to chatter.
>
> > >No, its exactly how theyre designed to operate.
>
> > >> >The vibration tolerance of
> > >> >the contacts will be little affected in practice; if your environment
> > >> >is harsh enough to shake the relay contact open, then you've got
> > >> >bigger worries than contacts crackling.
> > >> >If instead you meant you would use it on 110v 60Hz, then dont. But you
> > >> >could use diodes to get a higher dc voltage and use that.
>
> > >> Interesting conjecture.
>
> > >Where's the conjecture? I get the feeling you could do with bringing
> > >your skills up to speed on relays.
>
> > ---
> > Perhaps.
> > ---
>
> > >> Something like this?
>
> > >> +-----+
> > >> 120AC>--|~ +|----+
> > >> | | |
> > >> | | [COIL]
> > >> | | |
> > >> 120AC>--|~ -|----+
> > >> +-----+
>
> > >That would work.
>
> > Not in all cases, certainly.
>
> I'd like to see you find one single electromechanical relay that wont
> work for.
>
>
>
> > >> Since the coil has an impedance of about 6600 ohms at 50Hz, then the
> > >> current through it will be:
>
> > >> E 240V
> > >> I = --- = ------- = 0.036A = 36mA
> > >> Z 6600R
>
> > >> Then, since the coil has a resistance of 4800 ohms, the DC voltage
> > >> across it required to force 36mA through it would be:
>
> > >> E = IR = 0.036A * 4800R ~ 174V.
>
> > >You're not saying where you got those figures from.
>
> > ---
> > The P&B MR5A I talked about in an earlier post, which has a 240V
> > 50/60Hz coil, a coil resistance of 4800 ohms, an impedance of ~ 6600
> > ohms at 50 Hz, an open inductance of 14.5 henrys, and a closed
> > inductance of 16 henrys
> > >Typically dc rating is half ac rating.
>
> > But I don't think "typical" is what we're after since we want
> > something that will _always_ work.
>
> This 2:1 ratio normally is good for relays, and the OP can check his
> to see if it conforms to that. If it does, the thing will always work
> when subject to this formula.
>
> FWIW, when ac is applied you get puling force plus vibration. With dc
> there is no vibration component when its closed, so less holding
> current is needed. How much less I've really no idea.
>
> Some relays are fast movers capable of 100s of Hz, some are slow. Ac
> relays can always work on dc, but dc ones often dont work ok on ac.
>
>
>
> > Since current is what's doing the work, my real-world example shows
> > that 240V 50 Hz RMS impressed across a load with an impedance of 6600
> > ohms will force 36mA RMS of current through the load.
>
> > Then, since it's current that's doing the work, 36mA of DC through the
> > coil should accomplish the same thing.
> > ---
>
> > >> The peak voltage out of the bridge would be:
>
> > >> E = RMS * sqrt(2) = 120 * 1.414 ~ 170V.
>
> > >> Pretty close, but at 120Hz, the reactance of the coil would increase,
> > >> limiting the current to something less than the 36mA needed to close
> > >> the armature.
>
> > >The effect of the relay's inductance, when run off a BR, is simply to
> > >smooth the current flow somewhat.
>
> > ---
> > Yeah, I know, said so earlier, and posted a simulation showing the
> > ripple.
> > ---
>
> > >Mean current remains much the same.
> > >So we're looking for 120v rms, which is what the BR would deliver.
>
> > ---
> > But, what it won't deliver is the worst-case voltage required over the
> > interval required to guarantee the armature will close.
>
> Re ripple: If the relay is designed to run on ac 50 or 60Hz, its
> designed and rated to live with the current and force variations that
> go along with that, 100-120 times a second. Running it on rectified
> mains will only serve to reduce the current variations through the
> cycle, it wont cause the relay any issues.
>
> Re rms voltage: With my 2:1 figures, rectified 120v is spot on. With
> your 174v figure, 120v is well within the 50% margin. Of course for
> some uses that margin would need to be confirmed by testing before
> production, and reconfirmed if a new relay type is used. Or as you
> say, a cap could be added. Or for off brand consumer goods, in it
> goes, relays are good for it.
>
> > >> However, the reactance of the coil will smooth the current and the
> > >> addition of a capacitor in parallel with the coil will remove some of
> > >> the ripple and allow the coil to see more nearly pure DC.
>
> > >and overheat the relay by increasing its rms dc voltage to above 120v.
>
> > There's no such thing as "rms dc voltage",
>
> RMS can be applied to any and every waveform, dc included. Its very
> relevant when working with rectified ac, semismoothed or unsmoothed.
>
> > and if the relay is
> > designed to operate on AC with a certain RMS current in its coil, how
> > can it possibly overheat if that current is DC?
>
> With the same current it wont, with higher curren ti will. IIRC you
> proposed using 174v rms, that would be ok on your specific relay, but
> not a universal solution.
>
> NT
> -----------------------
> I sense a bit of cross confusion in this thread.
>
> a)Do not the AC/DC ratings refer to the contact rating rather than the coil
> rating? As with any switch, there is a big derating of contacts designed for
> AC use but applied to DC- Example a typical 120V 15 A light switch would
> fail at 15A 120V DC- it might work at 15A, 12V. Older switches with good
> snap contacts do much better.

No, I'm talking about coil voltage ratings.

> You indicate experience for the factor of 2:1- but is this something that
> translates across the AC/DC barrier?

I'm not 100% clear what you mean there. In short, many relays only
have one coil voltage rating, and its for just one of either ac or dc.
The various ones I've seen that have coil 2 ratings, one for ac one
for dc, have consistently had the dc coil rating be half the ac
voltage rating.

> b) John indicates 174VDC giving 0.036A would be OK- for closing. However
> when closed, the holding current will be 0.031A and this is the steady state
> current that is involved in heating when the relay is closed. For DC the
> voltage would need to be about 150VDC [ (174*0.031/0.036)^2]. So it
> remains to be seen if that is sufficient to close the relay. According to
> you- it would be more than adequate. From John's 80% criterion it is
> inadequate.- so point (c).
>
> c) The peak force is related to the square of peak flux For AC, this is
> proportional to (Vrms/f)^2 independent of the magnetic medium. The magnetic
> medium determines the corresponding peak current. While a DC current of
> 0.036A corresponds to an rms current of the same magnitude, and the average
> force is the same, at that current, as the average force in the AC case, it
> is well below the peak force (about a factor of 2, ). This may have have a
> bearing on the relay's operation- just a conjecture.
>
> Don Kelly
> cross out to reply

Peak force would come into play when dealing with stiction, but a
relay would have to be on its very last legs for stiction to be
significant in practice.

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TOPIC: SHARP TV, CA10 chassis - lights on, no-one home
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/6e60d44452abb6a5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 4:03 am
From: b

This Tv (a CRT SHARP 63DS-05SN), when started form cold, will
sometimes work normally, but mostly you get the EHT and heaters on, no
audio and a blank raster. raising the SCREEN gives the expected
greenish raster with retrace lines. Looks like a micro /EEPROM fault,
yet the green LED flashes when the remote is pressed, which I woudn't
expect.

The psu secondary apparently supplies two 5v lines, one being for
standby, and 5v ends up at Q2400 and Q2401 before going to the ICs. I
intend to check this supply

Anyone seen this before?
B

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TOPIC: OT: Tek 465
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/b9f473fde6856891?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 4:21 am
From: "Mark Zacharias"

"josephkk" <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:5s7s57163b3g9tc2kt1iol9jv4l95m5f93@4ax.com...
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 22:46:42 -0500, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

>"Mark Zacharias" <mark_zacharias@labolgcbs.net> wrote in
>news:4e59a0f2$0$2742$a8266bb1@newsreader.readnews.com:
>
>
>>
>> I thought about someone maybe getting all worked up about posting
>> something for sale here, but I figured the guys who know me wouldn't
>> care and anyone else, well, you get the idea...
>
>IMO,if a regular is selling an -occasional- item,no problem posted it
>here,just put FS: in the header.
>
>>
>> As far as the 2246 breaking, that's why I'm keeping my B&K 100mHz, as
>> a backup.
>
>Good idea.
>
>>
>> Tek is the Harley Davidson of oscilloscopes, after all.
>>
>> Mark Z.
>>
>>
>
>No,TEK -USED to be- the Harley Davidson of scopes.

>Seeing what HD has become in motorcycles perhaps the analogy is still apt.

>?-)

Just got that 2246 yesterday. Very cool so far as functions are concerned;
the front panel controls seem just a bit chintzy compared to the 465, but
still OK really. Not in current cal, but time base and vertical amplitude
seem to be quite accurate and I'm not doing government work after all, just
consumer electronics.

Only had time to fool around with it a bit, still need to figure out more of
the menus etc.

Looks like very low hours but in view of the preceding comments by those who
know this model, I certainly won't be just leaving it on all the time... in
the past I've been known to leave a 'scope on most of the day and not even
think about it, aside from taking the usual steps to avoid screen burn that
is.

Question: Does the "Mod A" designation on the rear mean this is a "2246A"
model?

Mark Z.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 8:34 am
From: Jim Yanik

"Mark Zacharias" <mark_zacharias@labolgcbs.net> wrote in
news:4e5f6ad6$0$2952$a8266bb1@newsreader.readnews.com:

> Question: Does the "Mod A" designation on the rear mean this is a
> "2246A" model?
>
> Mark Z.
>
>

No,that was a custom mod(Modified Product),IIRC,for the Navy. That's about
all I can recall about it.

Tek's documentation for "modified products" got really bad after they did
away with that section of the microfiche(after downsizing Service
Support,who compiled the info...dumb move,TEK.).
If you don't have the original manual with the modified product
inserts,there's no way you can get the documentation. Probably the
difference is in the EPROMs,adding some oddball feature.

It was really hard to get parts for those modified products,had to special
order them,and wait months,literally. they essentially were hand-made.

But a lot of those Mod A's were made.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 8:57 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Jim Yanik wrote:
>
> "Mark Zacharias" <mark_zacharias@labolgcbs.net> wrote in
> news:4e5f6ad6$0$2952$a8266bb1@newsreader.readnews.com:
>
> > Question: Does the "Mod A" designation on the rear mean this is a
> > "2246A" model?
> >
> > Mark Z.
> >
> >
>
> No,that was a custom mod(Modified Product),IIRC,for the Navy. That's about
> all I can recall about it.
>
> Tek's documentation for "modified products" got really bad after they did
> away with that section of the microfiche(after downsizing Service
> Support,who compiled the info...dumb move,TEK.).
> If you don't have the original manual with the modified product
> inserts,there's no way you can get the documentation. Probably the
> difference is in the EPROMs,adding some oddball feature.
>
> It was really hard to get parts for those modified products,had to special
> order them,and wait months,literally. they essentially were hand-made.
>
> But a lot of those Mod A's were made.

If you're in the United States there is a DOD database of military
manuals that may have a scan of the original manual for that military
version. I can't think of the name at the moment, and am still trying to
recover about 20 GB of damaged files after a failed hard drive & corrupt
backup files. Only 32 GB has been recovered, after three weeks.

--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

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TOPIC: Whose logo is this ?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/cd8989867ec3835e?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 6:13 am
From: "Arfa Daily"

On a 75mm slider pot from a powered mixer. It's basically a letter "M" , but
with the bottoms of the 'legs' curled under towards the middle 'point'. "M"
is enclosed in a square with rounded corners. Also says "Japan" on the body,
but no other clues ...

Arfa

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 6:36 am
From: "Phil Allison"

"Arfa Daily"
>
> On a 75mm slider pot from a powered mixer. It's basically a letter "M" ,
> but with the bottoms of the 'legs' curled under towards the middle
> 'point'. "M" is enclosed in a square with rounded corners. Also says
> "Japan" on the body, but no other clues ...

** It's one of the logos used by Matsushita.

Aka , Panasonic.

.... Phil

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 6:42 am
From: "N_Cook"

Arfa Daily <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:IxL7q.17$xz.3@newsfe09.ams2...
> On a 75mm slider pot from a powered mixer. It's basically a letter "M" ,
but
> with the bottoms of the 'legs' curled under towards the middle 'point'.
"M"
> is enclosed in a square with rounded corners. Also says "Japan" on the
body,
> but no other clues ...
>
> Arfa
>

anyone had any luck using likes of
http://www.google.com/insidesearch/searchbyimage.html
preceeded by phographing and uploading somewhere

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 6:54 am
From: Ron

On 01/09/2011 14:42, N_Cook wrote:
> Arfa Daily<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:IxL7q.17$xz.3@newsfe09.ams2...
>> On a 75mm slider pot from a powered mixer. It's basically a letter "M" ,
> but
>> with the bottoms of the 'legs' curled under towards the middle 'point'.
> "M"
>> is enclosed in a square with rounded corners. Also says "Japan" on the
> body,
>> but no other clues ...
>>
>> Arfa
>>
>
> anyone had any luck using likes of
> http://www.google.com/insidesearch/searchbyimage.html
> preceeded by phographing and uploading somewhere
>
>
t's very poor in my experience, however 'TinEye' works far better (IMHO)

http://www.tineye.com/

Ron

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 6:53 am
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:9c9g26Fu8cU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Arfa Daily"
>>
>> On a 75mm slider pot from a powered mixer. It's basically a letter "M" ,
>> but with the bottoms of the 'legs' curled under towards the middle
>> 'point'. "M" is enclosed in a square with rounded corners. Also says
>> "Japan" on the body, but no other clues ...
>
>
> ** It's one of the logos used by Matsushita.
>
> Aka , Panasonic.
>
>
>
> .... Phil
>

OK. Thanks Phil. That goes along with some that I found on Digikey, that
seemed to have a similar looking pinout, and also claimed to be of Panasonic
manufacture - although of course, their picture helpfully said "for
illustrative purposes only" ... They are in a Peavey Escort, but of
course, Peavey UK are out of stock until the end of October at soonest, and
the equipment is needed by next week ...

Arfa

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 2:32 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 23:36:49 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:

> "Arfa Daily"
>>
>> On a 75mm slider pot from a powered mixer. It's basically a letter "M"
>> , but with the bottoms of the 'legs' curled under towards the middle
>> 'point'. "M" is enclosed in a square with rounded corners. Also says
>> "Japan" on the body, but no other clues ...
>
>
> ** It's one of the logos used by Matsushita.
>
> Aka , Panasonic.
>
>
>
> .... Phil

Japan, M, Matsushita. Gotta agree having done their warranty for 10
years.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 5:58 pm
From: Anon

Meat Plow wrote in <news:4vlj7d.d5u.19.4@news.alt.net>:

> On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 23:36:49 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:
>
>> "Arfa Daily"
>>>
>>> On a 75mm slider pot from a powered mixer. It's basically a letter "M"
>>> , but with the bottoms of the 'legs' curled under towards the middle
>>> 'point'. "M" is enclosed in a square with rounded corners. Also says
>>> "Japan" on the body, but no other clues ...
>>
>> ** It's one of the logos used by Matsushita.
>>
>> Aka , Panasonic.
>>
>> .... Phil
>
> Japan, M, Matsushita. Gotta agree having done their warranty for 10
> years.

So, after you broke the broken equipment even more, which repair guy
did they then send it to?

Yer too stupid to do repair work. Matsushita must have booted yer ass
after you messed up too much equipment.

> --
> Live Fat Die Broke, Leave A Pustulent Corpse

Fixed yer .sig.

Yer welcome.

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<349880291335311102.312349mhywattt-yahoo.com@news.altopia.com>
Date 17 Aug 2011
Title: MEAT-PLOW LIED AGAIN! (and gets smacked down YET AGAIN!)
"I have several videos and pictures of him riding and what I'm sure
pie the location of his tent."

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/19e83b3eb6233fe2
Message-ID: <4uovsb.19t.17.3@news.alt.net>
Date 21 Aug 2011
Title: Emmy takes the day off.
"Well I leave tomorrow at around 7:am. Got some nice video and still
pix of the little shitty pants. There will be another Youtube video
soon"

Hmmm... only one and a half days 'visiting friends in West Palm Beach'
(if he was ever there to begin with), and the rest of his time in
Florida spent real-life stalking. He even extended his stay by two
days, so he could get in more stalking.
--------------------

Evidence that Meat Plow is William Malone Griffith, II:
--------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/5650f8e1e7dedefa
Message-ID: <fc5167ee7ad8e6f64bbe528026c00d98@rip.ax.lt>

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/e52ffbb346f5b764
Message-ID: <ac995ab01f76a177f4012486eb671c0e@rip.ax.lt>

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/a94a2a11df601e39
Message-ID: <f6ccd46e74bff6e99d49781388db38c7@rip.ax.lt>

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/ef80aad2e7db945d
Message-ID: <2abe74de52d65b6046cc0bdd3c108d86@rip.ax.lt>
--------------------

Meat Plow personal info:
--------------------
Birthdate: Oct 3, 1955

Amateur Radio callsign N8NCX
Technician Plus
(2 meter, 6 meter)
--------------------

--------------------
Photo of MeatPlow in Belden Village Music store (his sister's music
store):
(Note the guitars in the background, the planet-sized head,
the rotten-Chiclet teeth, and general look of retardation)
http://www.productwiki.com/william-malone-griffith-ii/lists/
http://images.productwiki.com/upload/images/william_malone_griffith_ii_avatar_1_0-150-150.jpg

Photo of William Malone Griffith, Jr. from uffnet.com:
(Note that it's the same person as in the photo above)
http://www.uffnet.com/library/headlines/images/news1376621745xlb.jpg

He's got his father's nose and eyes:
http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/kentucky/guestbook.aspx?pid=2527782
http://mi-cache.legacy.com/usercontent/guestbook/photos/2005-09/6966764.jpg
--------------------

Meat Plow email addresses:
--------------------
http://web.archive.org/web/20010305113423/http://www.k1hk.org/ugb_archive3.html
"Bill N8NCX wgriffit@neo.rr.com"

wgriffit at neo.rr.com (neo = North East Ohio)
mhywattt at yahoo.com
mhywatt at yahoo.com
--------------------

Meat Plow's brushes with the law:
--------------------
1}
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/crim/crim_display_docket_main?pass_case_no=11543&pass_case_type=VBD&pass_case_year=2002&pass_first_name=William&pass_last_name=Griffith

2}
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/civil/civil_display_docket_main?case_year_no=2009-3533&litigant_txt=Griffith
--------------------

Meat Plow quotes:
--------------------
Meat Plow, explaining that his computer has no Master Boot Record
because he runs Mandriva 2010, not Windows:
Message-ID: <4v39g0.au.17.9@news.alt.net>
"Wouldn't know, it's been months since I've booted a Windoze OS."

Meat Plow describes his high-powered legal team:
Message-ID: <pan.2011.05.25.00.08.32@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"You know i have a legal team who specializes in internet law. And I
won't hesitate to get them in on the action."

Meat Plow losing his connection to reality, insinuating that he's law
enforcement:
Message-ID: <pan.2011.07.02.00.58.38@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I could be LE posing as Meat Plow. It can't be dis-proven."

Meat Plow visits a massage parlor for a Happy Ending massage.
But they refused to give him a Happy Ending his second time there.
That explains why he's gay, he's so repulsive that he can't even PAY
for HAND JOBS from women.

http://www.clreviews.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11679
"One time I got a HE, and the 2nd time I didn't. I was asked if I was
there both times and said I was. That's is why I didn't know if I said
something wrong the 2nd time which made me not get a HE."

Well, at least we know what he does with his weekends.
--------------------

Oh, William, what would yer family say if they learned yer secrets?

Mother:
.----------------------------.
Catherine & Angelo Griffith

4760 Echovalley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-7504
330-494-5785
'----------------------------'

Daughter:
.----------------------------.
Julia M. Griffith

308 10th Street NE
North Canton, OH 44720-2023
'----------------------------'

Sister:
.----------------------------------------.
Pamela L. & Roger R. Werling
{ son Todd E. Werling (Ft. Wayne, IN) }
{ son Chris (Kennesaw, GA) }
{ son Keith (Ft. Wayne, IN) }
{ grandson Easton }
{ grandson Zakary }
{ granddaughter Camella }

7704 Bisque Court
Fort Wayne, IN 46825-3501
260-489-6086
'----------------------------------------'

Sister:
.----------------------------------------------.
Cheryl J. & Jason 'Sparky' Humberto E. Rivera
{ daughter Christina }
{ daughter Rosalio (North Canton, OH) }
{ daughter Maria (North Canton, OH) }
{ son Len Gray (Ft. Worth, TX) }

5225 Echo Valley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-9702
----------------------------------------------
Belden Village Music Store
6787 Wales Ave NW
North Canton, OH 44720
beldenvillagemusic.com
330-497-9292
----------------------------------------------
Rosalio B & Maria I Rivera
444 Wales Rd. NE
Massillon, OH 44646-5875
330-833-4291
----------------------------------------------
PO Box 35093
Canton, OH 44735
'----------------------------------------------'

Sister:
.---------------------------------------.
Carol L. & Ric A. Campbell
{ son Richard }
{ son Christopher (North Canton, OH) }
{ son Brandon († 30 May 1996) }
{ daughter Erin }

6794 William Tell Ave NW
North Canton, OH 44720-6546
330-497-7980
330-499-5107
---------------------------------------
PO Box 36473
Canton, OH 44735
'---------------------------------------'

Sister:
.----------------------------------.
Christine H. & Shelton M. Vick
{ son Matthew }

3915 Harvard Ave NW
Canton, OH 44709-1538
330-493-5645
----------------------------------
Re/Max Edge Realty
North Canton / Massillon / Canton
Realtor Christine H. Vick

6929 Portage St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-6535
330-236-5100
888-830-6509 (fax)
330-904-0883 (cell)
www.MyOhioHomeFinder.com
MyOhioHomeFinder@gmail.com
'----------------------------------'

Sister:
.----------------------------.
Angela C. & Mark Warshefski

11 SE 12th St.
Pompano Beach, FL 33060
954-785-4716
----------------------------
4760 Echovalley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-7504
330-942-0584
'----------------------------'

Cousin:
.-------------------------.
Eddy Dailey

Bergholz Super Mart
861 Washington St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-1018
-------------------------
Bergholz Financial Corp.
dba SuperMart
PO Box 545
524 Garfield St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
'-------------------------'

Cousin:
.--------------------.
Donna L. Dailey

524 5th St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-2416
--------------------
Bergholz Super Mart
861 Washington St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-1018
--------------------
Bergholz, OH EMT
'--------------------'

Cousin:
.-------------------.
Bill & Joyce Leas
{ son Billy }

243 2nd St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
'-------------------'

Niece:
.---------------------------.
Rachel & Adam T. Livengood
{ son Lukas }
{ daughter Lauren }

6342 Palmer Dr. NW
Canton, OH 44718
330-497-7754
'---------------------------'

Izzatchoo, or yer dead daddy?
.--------------------------------.
William M. Griffith

between 3rd and 4th St.
between Monroe and Lincoln Ave.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-2539
'--------------------------------'

What would yer landlord for 308 10th St. NE,
North Canton, OH say if they learned yer secrets?
.----------------------------.
David S. and Joan R. Shaner

2095 Waterbury Dr.
Uniontown OH 44312
330-699-4042
'----------------------------'

What would the employees at yer family's
business say if they learned yer secrets?
.-----------------------------------------.
Ohio Kentucky Oil Corporation
aka Ohio Oil & Gas Exploration (defunct)
aka Ohio Kentucky Coal Company (defunct)

5112 Portage St. NW
Canton, OH 44720-6856
(330) 494-8810
(330) 497-7980
-----------------------------------------
110 E. Lowry Lane
Lexington, KY 40503
(800) BUY 4 OIL
(800) 289-4645
(859) 223-5656
(859) 223-5946
(859) 276-0699 (fax)
(859) 276-3500
(859) 276-4080
-----------------------------------------
http://www.ohiokentuckyoil.com
oilstrike@insightbb.com
admin@ohiokentuckyoil.net
'-----------------------------------------'

----------
Oh, but wait, Ohio Oil & Gas Exploration is no longer incorporated in
Ohio:
Daddy Griffith's petrol exploration company (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:384125

Nor are any of the other businesses yer daddy started. You let them
all fail:
Daddy Griffith's stables (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:377966

Daddy Griffith's motel business (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:377965

Daddy Griffith's drilling company (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:347837

Daddy Griffith's metals business (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:552193

And Ohio Kentucky Oil Corporation is on its last legs, inundated with
securities fraud lawsuits and EPA lawsuits. It's barred from
soliciting investors in Tennessee due to securities fraud, it's under
investigation in Ohio and Kentucky, it owns no oil assets or wells,
and it no longer does any of its own drilling. It'll be gone soon,
too.

And you've squandered everything Daddy Griffith earned from his
businesses, so yer now poor, adding insult to injury.
----------

You being poor is why you issued the following. You knew you didn't
have ten thousand dollars or so to defend yerself against yet another
lawsuit:

William Malone Griffith, II's grovelfest of an apology for being a
fucktard stauker:
==================================================
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/browse_thread/thread/8d753c94bd612f4e
http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/3859383/meat_plow_exposed
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/c9fccf0d1ab26ace
Message-ID: <3n4c2e.bi4.17.1@news.alt.net>

Title: Apology to Charles Novins

The witnesses to this abject, groveling apology:

Angela Griffith = Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski, William Malone
Griffith, Jr.'s sister

Catherine Griffith = William Malone Griffith, Jr.'s mother

Julia M. Griffith = William Malone Griffith, Jr.'s daughter

Cheri Griffith = Cheryl J. Griffith-Rivera, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister

Justin M. Griffith = ?

Kristy Griffith = Christine H. Griffith-Vick, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister
-----
Questions yet to be answered:
Who is Justin M. Griffith?

Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski came all the way from Pompano Beach,
Florida to witness and sign MeatPlow's apology letter?

Or did William Malone Griffith, Jr. forge the witness signatures,
which would indicate some level of insincerity in the apology?

If William Malone Griffith, Jr. did indeed forge the witness
signatures, is his family cognizant of him using them in this way?

Who is Deborah Ann Griffith?
-----
Who is Sherri Renee Christie, William D. Christie (age 54) and Lillie
L. Christie, and how are they associated with William Malone Griffith,
II?

1345 Bison St. NW
Massillon, OH 44647
330-833-5313 (Sherri)
330-837-4967 (William)

2524 Meadows Ave NW
Apt. 4
Massillon, OH 44647

PO Box 36221
Canton, OH 44735
-----
==================================================
It's time for a digital enema to flush this turd named William Malone
Griffith, II out of the system.

The exit is -.
|
'-----.
.---. .-----. |
| | '---. | |
'-. `-----|-' |
| '---'
'------------->
thataway

==============================================================================
TOPIC: t.v. volume remains static.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/8fbadf0c35306061?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 6:18 am
From: "Arfa Daily"

"jango2" <crow_slapper@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:c743326d-ec02-4e0b-9ffa-0e743c4cf1b5@a10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 29, 9:55 am, delroy_dob...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Panasonic t.v., TC 20RA10LP.I replaced the audio ic ,an7523n,and the
>> t.v
>> now has sound but the sound/volume remains at one pitch. whenever I
>> press
>> the volume button whether up/down the volume remains same but
>> whenever it
>> reaches 0 on the volume display on the screen you won't hear the
>> volume.
>> what is wrong here ?
>> N:B There is no bridges across the ic pins.
>
> Look for a voltage variation on pin 9(DC VOL) as you turn volume up
> and down. The new IC seems to be working else it wouldn't mute at
> volume zero.
> Google groupers have brains too.
> Jango

Some Panasonics in the past were very critical of factory-original IC's. I
once had a Pan portable as a test set in the workshop. It had a failed field
chip when it first became mine. I recall replacing it with one of the same
basic number out of the stock drawer, but the set never did work right, with
all sorts of beam limiter problems as the brightness of scenes varied.
Eventually, on the advice of a colleague who'd come across this before, I
ordered in a genuine replacement from Pan. After fitting this, it worked
just fine.

Arfa

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 8:59 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

jango2 wrote:
>
> Google groupers have brains too.

Is that a new feature for Google Groups? ;-)

--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Yellow Glue strikes again
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/9d8bded3db582b06?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 6:24 am
From: "N_Cook"

Another miscreant is some formulation of conformal coating that over 20 or
30 years breaks down to an oil, either itself corrosive or hygroscopic and
then corrosive

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 2:38 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 14:33:42 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:

> "Alien"
>
>> It's not a 'moisture trap',
>>
>> The glue gets carbonized due to excessive heat in the electrical
>> components, which makes the glue more conductive and more corrosive
>> (ie: it chemically changes the glue).
>>
>> This causes havoc due to shorts (because it's conductive) and open
>> circuits (because it corrodes away circuit traces and component leads).
>
> ** Correct.
>
> The worst problems are always with gear that runs 24/7.
>
> No chance for moisture ingress there.

Just because gear runs 24/7 does not exempt the possibility of moisture
intrusion. Ask a marine electronics tech and get back to me. Bar that,
operating electronics in high humidity 24/7 holds no guarantee that it is
not exempt to moisture. Read the fucking manual for the operating
extremes if you doubt me.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 3:29 pm
From: "Phil Allison"

"Meat Plow = Cunt Head "
Phil Allison wrote:

>> "Alien"
>>
>>> It's not a 'moisture trap',
>>>
>>> The glue gets carbonized due to excessive heat in the electrical
>>> components, which makes the glue more conductive and more corrosive
>>> (ie: it chemically changes the glue).
>>>
>>> This causes havoc due to shorts (because it's conductive) and open
>>> circuits (because it corrodes away circuit traces and component leads).
>>
>> ** Correct.
>>
>> The worst problems are always with gear that runs 24/7.
>>
>> No chance for moisture ingress there.
>
> Just because gear runs 24/7 does not exempt the possibility of moisture
> intrusion.

** It does when the yellow glue areas are all permanently hot.

Try following the thread - fuckwit.

.... Phil

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 5:16 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 08:29:00 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:

> "Meat Plow = Cunt Head "
> Phil Allison wrote:
>
>
>>> "Alien"
>>>
>>>> It's not a 'moisture trap',
>>>>
>>>> The glue gets carbonized due to excessive heat in the electrical
>>>> components, which makes the glue more conductive and more corrosive
>>>> (ie: it chemically changes the glue).
>>>>
>>>> This causes havoc due to shorts (because it's conductive) and open
>>>> circuits (because it corrodes away circuit traces and component
>>>> leads).
>>>
>>> ** Correct.
>>>
>>> The worst problems are always with gear that runs 24/7.
>>>
>>> No chance for moisture ingress there.
>>
>> Just because gear runs 24/7 does not exempt the possibility of moisture
>> intrusion.
>
>
> ** It does when the yellow glue areas are all permanently hot.
>
> Try following the thread - fuckwit.

Try not snipping the thread, fuckwit. :)

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 5:38 pm
From: "Anonymous Remailer (austria)"

Meat Plow <mhywattt@yahoo.com> wrote in
<news:4vljig.d5u.19.5@news.alt.net>:

> On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 14:33:42 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:
>
>> "Alien"
>>
>>> It's not a 'moisture trap',
>>>
>>> The glue gets carbonized due to excessive heat in the electrical
>>> components, which makes the glue more conductive and more corrosive
>>> (ie: it chemically changes the glue).
>>>
>>> This causes havoc due to shorts (because it's conductive) and open
>>> circuits (because it corrodes away circuit traces and component leads).
>>
>> ** Correct.
>>
>> The worst problems are always with gear that runs 24/7.
>>
>> No chance for moisture ingress there.
>
> Just because gear runs 24/7 does not exempt the possibility of moisture
> intrusion. Ask a marine electronics tech and get back to me. Bar that,
> operating electronics in high humidity 24/7 holds no guarantee that it is
> not exempt to moisture. Read the fucking manual for the operating
> extremes if you doubt me.

Wow, yer Emmett Gulley stupid today, hey.

Did I tell you yer my Emmett, and soon you'll be everyone's Emmett?
It's happening.

So, now yer changing the terms of the argument to suit you... so yer
saying the glue is a 'moisture trap' in a marine environment or in
high humidity? Yeah, I guess next you'll argue that if the glue's
under water, it's a 'moisture trap'. Heh.

Do you even know what the term 'carbonization' means, you slack-jawed
halfwit?

> --
> Live Fat Die Broke, Leave A Pustulent Corpse

Fixed yer .sig, stupid.

Yer welcome.

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WHO IS 'MEAT PLOW' from Alt.Usenet.Kooks (AUK)?

The obese, abusive, ugly, snaggle-toothed, giant-headed, stalking, gay
'bear' biker retard who likes to surf gay porn sites as 'BlancoBear'
while wearing only assless chaps:

William Malone Griffith, Jr.
(aka Milt, Meat Plow, BlancoBear, Meat@petitmorte.net, Tripp)
308 10th Street NE
North Canton, OH 44720-2023

Some of this sick fuck's best work, and comments from others about
him:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.buzzard.rules/msg/f630759d6303a19d
Message-ID: <SFexc.17128428$Of.2846155@news.easynews.com>

Nevermind that West Palm Beach, FL is 110 miles (not 60 miles) from
Melbourne, FL.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/e52ffbb346f5b764
Message-ID: <ac995ab01f76a177f4012486eb671c0e@rip.ax.lt>

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/a94a2a11df601e39
Message-ID: <f6ccd46e74bff6e99d49781388db38c7@rip.ax.lt>

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/ef80aad2e7db945d
Message-ID: <2abe74de52d65b6046cc0bdd3c108d86@rip.ax.lt>
--------------------

Meat Plow personal info:
--------------------
Birthdate: Oct 3, 1955

Amateur Radio callsign N8NCX
Technician Plus
(2 meter, 6 meter)
--------------------

Photo of William Malone Griffith, Jr. from uffnet.com:
(Note that it's the same person as in the photo above)
http://www.uffnet.com/library/headlines/images/news1376621745xlb.jpg

Meat Plow email addresses:
--------------------
http://web.archive.org/web/20010305113423/http://www.k1hk.org/ugb_archive3.html
"Bill N8NCX wgriffit@neo.rr.com"

wgriffit at neo.rr.com (neo = North East Ohio)
mhywattt at yahoo.com
mhywatt at yahoo.com
--------------------

2}
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/civil/civil_display_docket_main?case_year_no=2009-3533&litigant_txt=Griffith
--------------------

Well, at least we know what he does with his weekends.
--------------------

Oh, William, what would yer family say if they learned yer secrets?

Mother:
..----------------------------.
Catherine & Angelo Griffith

4760 Echovalley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-7504
330-494-5785
'----------------------------'

Daughter:
..----------------------------.
Julia M. Griffith

308 10th Street NE
North Canton, OH 44720-2023
'----------------------------'

Sister:
..----------------------------------------.
Pamela L. & Roger R. Werling
{ son Todd E. Werling (Ft. Wayne, IN) }
{ son Chris (Kennesaw, GA) }
{ son Keith (Ft. Wayne, IN) }
{ grandson Easton }
{ grandson Zakary }
{ granddaughter Camella }

7704 Bisque Court
Fort Wayne, IN 46825-3501
260-489-6086
'----------------------------------------'

Sister:
..----------------------------------------------.
Cheryl J. & Jason 'Sparky' Humberto E. Rivera
{ daughter Christina }
{ daughter Rosalio (North Canton, OH) }
{ daughter Maria (North Canton, OH) }
{ son Len Gray (Ft. Worth, TX) }

Sister:
..---------------------------------------.
Carol L. & Ric A. Campbell
{ son Richard }
{ son Christopher (North Canton, OH) }
{ son Brandon († 30 May 1996) }
{ daughter Erin }

6794 William Tell Ave NW
North Canton, OH 44720-6546
330-497-7980
330-499-5107
---------------------------------------
PO Box 36473
Canton, OH 44735
'---------------------------------------'

Sister:
..----------------------------------.
Christine H. & Shelton M. Vick
{ son Matthew }

3915 Harvard Ave NW
Canton, OH 44709-1538
330-493-5645
----------------------------------
Re/Max Edge Realty
North Canton / Massillon / Canton
Realtor Christine H. Vick

6929 Portage St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-6535
330-236-5100
888-830-6509 (fax)
330-904-0883 (cell)
www.MyOhioHomeFinder.com
MyOhioHomeFinder@gmail.com
'----------------------------------'

Sister:
..----------------------------.
Angela C. & Mark Warshefski

11 SE 12th St.
Pompano Beach, FL 33060
954-785-4716
----------------------------
4760 Echovalley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-7504
330-942-0584
'----------------------------'

Cousin:
..-------------------------.
Eddy Dailey

Cousin:
..--------------------.
Donna L. Dailey

524 5th St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-2416
--------------------
Bergholz Super Mart
861 Washington St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-1018
--------------------
Bergholz, OH EMT
'--------------------'

Cousin:
..-------------------.
Bill & Joyce Leas
{ son Billy }

243 2nd St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
'-------------------'

Niece:
..---------------------------.
Rachel & Adam T. Livengood
{ son Lukas }
{ daughter Lauren }

6342 Palmer Dr. NW
Canton, OH 44718
330-497-7754
'---------------------------'

Izzatchoo, or yer dead daddy?
..--------------------------------.
William M. Griffith

between 3rd and 4th St.
between Monroe and Lincoln Ave.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-2539
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What would yer landlord for 308 10th St. NE,
North Canton, OH say if they learned yer secrets?
..----------------------------.
David S. and Joan R. Shaner

2095 Waterbury Dr.
Uniontown OH 44312
330-699-4042
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What would the employees at yer family's
business say if they learned yer secrets?
..-----------------------------------------.
Ohio Kentucky Oil Corporation
aka Ohio Oil & Gas Exploration (defunct)
aka Ohio Kentucky Coal Company (defunct)

Daddy Griffith's motel business (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:377965

Daddy Griffith's drilling company (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:347837

Daddy Griffith's metals business (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:552193

And you've squandered everything Daddy Griffith earned from his
businesses, so yer now poor, adding insult to injury.
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You being poor is why you issued the following. You knew you didn't
have ten thousand dollars or so to defend yerself against yet another
lawsuit:

Title: Apology to Charles Novins

The witnesses to this abject, groveling apology:

Angela Griffith = Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski, William Malone
Griffith, Jr.'s sister

Catherine Griffith = William Malone Griffith, Jr.'s mother

Julia M. Griffith = William Malone Griffith, Jr.'s daughter

Cheri Griffith = Cheryl J. Griffith-Rivera, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister

Justin M. Griffith = ?

Kristy Griffith = Christine H. Griffith-Vick, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister
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Questions yet to be answered:
Who is Justin M. Griffith?

Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski came all the way from Pompano Beach,
Florida to witness and sign MeatPlow's apology letter?

Or did William Malone Griffith, Jr. forge the witness signatures,
which would indicate some level of insincerity in the apology?

If William Malone Griffith, Jr. did indeed forge the witness
signatures, is his family cognizant of him using them in this way?

Who is Deborah Ann Griffith?
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Who is Sherri Renee Christie, William D. Christie (age 54) and Lillie
L. Christie, and how are they associated with William Malone Griffith,
II?

1345 Bison St. NW
Massillon, OH 44647
330-833-5313 (Sherri)
330-837-4967 (William)

2524 Meadows Ave NW
Apt. 4
Massillon, OH 44647

PO Box 36221
Canton, OH 44735
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It's time for a digital enema to flush this turd named William Malone
Griffith, II out of the system.

The exit is -.
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thataway
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TOPIC: OBIT: Tony Sale almost one-man-band Colossus computer rebuilder
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/1ac7aa65957e0f80?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 1 2011 6:28 am
From: "N_Cook"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2011/aug/31/tony-sale-obituary?INTCMP=
SRCH

Tony Sale obituary

Computer scientist behind the rebuilding of the wartime code-breaking
Colossus

Tony Sale, who has died aged 80, was responsible for rebuilding the second
world war Colossus code-breaking computer and for launching a successful
campaign to preserve the Bletchley Park cryptography centre for the nation.
The operation at Bletchley, Buckinghamshire, shortened the second world war
by many months, but for almost three decades its existence was one of
Britain's best kept secrets. When the war was over, the 10 Colossi -
considered by many to be the world's first electronic computers - were
broken up and the people who had built and worked with them were sworn to
secrecy for ever. ...

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