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Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>: Jul 10 01:37AM +1000 > Clifford Heath: The biggest variant here is the planet > itself.   No, the planet is not changing the rate at which time passes, and it's not affecting our ability to measure time.   > rate than any of the world's atomic clocks are speeding > up or slowing down. It's why an "ephemeris" second is > inserted every so many years.   Yes, but that has nothing to do with how we improve our ability to measure time. Remember I was responding to N_Cook's comment:   "The new generation of atomic clocks, accurate to 1 second in 15 billion years,supposedly - how do they know , without a more accurate clock than that to check it against?"   The earth's slowing is also somewhat chaotic, inasmuch as equatorial weather affects the sea-level heights, which introduces noise into the earth's angular moment of inertia, and hence its rate of rotation. That has nothing however to do with how we know we're measuring time accurately.

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jul 09 06:14PM -0700 On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 01:37:30 +1000, Clifford Heath >weather affects the sea-level heights, which introduces noise into the >earth's angular moment of inertia, and hence its rate of rotation. That >has nothing however to do with how we know we're measuring time accurately.   It might help to mention that we have two types of time accuracy. One is sidereal time, where 12AM on Jan 1 is astronomically correct and is used to aim telescopes on earth. This is where we says "at the tone, the time will be... (beep). The other is the length of 1 second, minute, hour, day... year which is a numerical count of how many wavelengths of light or cycles of atomic gigahertz vibrations pass during these intervals also known as atomic time.   The problem is that the two systems don't quite coincide. The current difference between UTC and International Atomic Time (UTC-TAI) is now 36 sec and growing. The recent leap second just made things worse.   The fun starts when tracking spacecraft in otter space. Not only does one have to deal with relativistic effects, but one also has to use a time system that is independent of how the earth spins, wobbles, and thrashes around. It would be a major disaster if a leap second were thrown into the timing if you're tracking a spacecraft such as Voyager 1 moving at 17 km/sec (38,000 mph).   There's quite a bit of detail summarized here including what would happen if GPS (atomic) time were "harmonized" with local time. <http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/> Only the top part is up to date but the old stuff is interesting.     -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>: Jul 10 02:58AM +1000 On 10/07/15 11:14, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 01:37:30 +1000, Clifford Heath > <no.spam@please.net> wrote: > The fun starts when tracking spacecraft in otter space.   Awesome. Are there any Youtube videos of spacecraft in otter space? I do love otters, they're my favourite creatures.   ;)

Phil Hobbs <hobbs@electrooptical.net>: Jul 09 10:07PM -0400 On 7/9/2015 9:14 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:   > It might help to mention that we have two types of time accuracy. One > is sidereal time, where 12AM on Jan 1 is astronomically correct and is > used to aim telescopes on earth.   Nope. Sidereal time is different from civil (solar) time. The Earth rotates 365 and change times per year with respect to the Sun, but 366 and (the same) change with respect to the fixed stars. So the two get out of phase pretty fast.     > The problem is that the two systems don't quite coincide. The current > difference between UTC and International Atomic Time (UTC-TAI) is now > 36 sec and growing. The recent leap second just made things worse.   Well, worse if you don't think that the Gregorian reform was an advance. Pretty soon the vernal equinox would have been in February. Personally I think that civil time is more important than atomic time. Folks who need to know the difference, do.   If we knuckle under to atomic time in civil life, our version of the Julian problem is that midnight by the clock will soon start occurring at sundown. The leap second inconvenience principally affects software developers (and those who trust them). ;)   > thrashes around. It would be a major disaster if a leap second were > thrown into the timing if you're tracking a spacecraft such as Voyager > 1 moving at 17 km/sec (38,000 mph).   You'd be off by 17 km. Is Voyager 1's position known to that accuracy? Didn't think so.   Cheers   Phil Hobbs   -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics   160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510   hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>: Jul 10 03:44AM +1000 On 10/07/15 12:07, Phil Hobbs wrote: >> 1 moving at 17 km/sec (38,000 mph). > You'd be off by 17 km. Is Voyager 1's position known to that accuracy? > Didn't think so.   And yet if you were aiming at Pluto via a slingshot around Venus, you don't want to be 17km off on approach to Venus. I can't do the math, but I suspect it's rather closer to 17cm.

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jul 09 08:18PM -0700 On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 22:07:57 -0400, Phil Hobbs >rotates 365 and change times per year with respect to the Sun, but 366 >and (the same) change with respect to the fixed stars. So the two get >out of phase pretty fast.   Sorry, my mistake.   >> 36 sec and growing. The recent leap second just made things worse.   >Well, worse if you don't think that the Gregorian reform was an advance. > Pretty soon the vernal equinox would have been in February.   The Julian calendar was working just fine for 1500 years as everyone know how to tweak the date so that it matches the solar calendar. That was fine for farmers and bankers, but didn't do much for the church, which had the bad taste to celebrate their holidays by the calendar month and date. Most everyone else used the signs of the zodiac to set the beginning of the month. That worked well for the GUM (great unwashed masses) except that the church equated the zodiac with pagan religions, alchemy and witchcraft, so that wasn't going to work. A pope previous to Gregory XIII tried to switch the holidays to the zodiac months (can't find the name) but gave up before going public. I suspect that Gregory XIII must have had second throughts when he allowed the astronomers to fix the calendar. At least they named it after him, so I guess he was happy.   Incidentally, if you want a really screwed up calendar, try the Hebrew calendar, which adds an extra month every 2 or 3 years, every 7 of 11 years. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_calendar> There's nothing like a duplicated month (adar) to create confusion.   >Julian problem is that midnight by the clock will soon start occurring >at sundown. The leap second inconvenience principally affects software >developers (and those who trust them). ;)   I don't see a problem. If every political time standards organization can have it's own time standard, I see no reason why they can't expand theirs to a calendar standard. You just pick the calendar that is appropriate for whatever you're doing. It's not much different than the US before the railroads, where every town had it's own time and DST standard.   Yeah, there were some hiccups in 2012. <http://www.wired.com/2012/07/leap-second-bug-wreaks-havoc-with-java-linux/> <http://www.wired.com/2012/07/leap-second-glitch-explained/> I missed the fire drill, but still managed to get wakened by a customer wanting to know why their backup failed. Stupid me had set cron to start the backup exactly at midnight. That worked, but one second later, it started a 2nd backup during the leap second. Why, I don't know, but that's what the log files showed. I killed both processes and started over.   >> 1 moving at 17 km/sec (38,000 mph).   >You'd be off by 17 km. Is Voyager 1's position known to that accuracy? > Didn't think so.   I was thinking of it in terms of the change in angular error for the rotation of the earth. degrees = 17km/40,075km * 360 degrees = 0.15 degrees Let's see if that works. Voyager 1 and 2 uses the DSN (deep space network) with 34 or 70 meter dishes at about 8 GHz. That's about 67dB gain and a -3db beamwidth of about 0.07 degrees for the 34 meter dish, and 73 db gain and 0.04 degree beamwidth for the 70 meter dish. Since the DSN tracks the rotation of the earth, a change of 0.15 degrees would move the main lobe sufficiently to miss the spacecraft. <http://www.satsig.net/pointing/antenna-beamwidth-calculator.htm> <http://www.uhf-satcom.com/misc/datasheet/dh2va.pdf>   -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jul 09 08:33PM -0700 On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:58:26 +1000, Clifford Heath >> The fun starts when tracking spacecraft in otter space.   >Awesome. Are there any Youtube videos of spacecraft in otter space? >I do love otters, they're my favourite creatures.   Yep: <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=otter+in+space>   Photos of some otter space otters: <https://www.google.com/search?q=space+otter&tbm=isch>   I don't really like otters. Years ago, I was diving off Monastary Beach in Carmel, CA. There was an otter floating on the surface sleeping. My dive partner decided to poke the otter with a pole. It looked down at us, and went back to sleep. However, my partner kept poking the otter until it became irritated. It dived down under us, came up, and bit me in the buttocks though my wet suit. It wasn't much of a bite, but did manage to ruin my day.   These days, I look at them with otter contempt.   -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>: Jul 10 05:54AM +1000 On 10/07/15 13:33, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > Photos of some otter space otters: > <https://www.google.com/search?q=space+otter&tbm=isch> > I don't really like otters.   I've only seen sea otters once, on a visit to Monterey. I guess you also are more fond of animals you don't have locally.   The common otter is super cute. One day, I want to learn how to ot. it looks like fun.

N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Jul 10 08:34AM +0100 On 10/07/2015 03:07, Phil Hobbs wrote: > Didn't think so.   > Cheers   > Phil Hobbs   IIRC the Etruscan day started at midday, the Jewish day at 6am, the midnight start is just a hangover from the Romans, so sundown start is no great problem

thekmanrocks@gmail.com: Jul 10 02:59AM -0700 Clifford Heath wrote: "No, the planet is not changing the rate at which time passes, and it's not affecting our ability to measure time. "   HOW can you make such a statement??? If the planet is gradually slowing down, over millions of years as reported, the period of time from noon to noon(or midnight to midnight), is getting LONGER. Our hyper-accurate master clocks have to account for that somehow.     "Yes, but that has nothing to do with how we improve our ability to measure time. Remember I was responding to N_Cook's comment:   "The new generation of atomic clocks, accurate to 1 second in 15 billion years,supposedly - how do they know , without a more accurate clock than that to check it against?" "   "The earth's slowing is also somewhat chaotic, inasmuch as equatorial weather affects the sea-level heights, which introduces noise into the earth's angular moment of inertia, and hence its rate of rotation. That has nothing however to do with how we know we're measuring time accurately. "   OF COURSE IT DOES!! If our super-accurate clocks don't account for an inconsistent Earth, then sunrises, sunsets, and everything else will start happening later & later by those clocks. Sunrise in June in Connecticut will come at 5:23, 5:24(Daylight Time)instead of 5:20 as it has for decades, and sunset - 8:32, 8:33, instead of 8:30 as it has for years. It's only adding those periodic seconds that maintains that symmetry.   That's because of PLANET drift, not clock drift. And overall, it is slowing down, not speeding up.

Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>: Jul 10 12:08PM +1000 > over millions of years as reported, the > period of time from noon to noon(or > midnight to midnight), is getting LONGER.   Whoosh! You completely missed the point.   The reason we know it's getting longer is because we have clocks that *aren't* slowing down. I was talking entirely about *how we know* they aren't slowing down.   > Our hyper-accurate master clocks have > to account for that somehow.   No,they don't. They just count the time passing, and we decide what numbers to assign to the days, hours, minutes, seconds. The *numbers* are not the *time*.   > clocks don't account for an inconsistent Earth, > then sunrises, sunsets, and everything else > will start happening later & later by those clocks.   And that is *exactly* what is happening. That is why we need leap seconds etc, to adjust the *numbering* to match the planet's motion. But adjusting the numbering doesn't make time pass slower or faster.

thekmanrocks@gmail.com: Jul 10 04:06AM -0700 On Friday, July 10, 2015 at 6:48:23 AM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote: > we have clocks that *aren't* slowing down. I was > talking entirely about *how we know* they aren't > slowing down.   The Earth is a natural, living object. It's impossible to match its movement with precision, repetitive movements.     > adjust the *numbering* to match the planet's > motion. But adjusting the numbering doesn't > make time pass slower or faster.   I never said it did. If we as a species never had clocks at all, I'd guess we all just get used to this light & dark cycle called days getting longer and longer all the time and not even think twice about it.

N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Jul 10 02:21PM +0100 > to this light & dark cycle called days getting > longer and longer all the time and not even think > twice about it.   The innate human biological clock is nearer 25 hour-day than 24 hours, from the sensory deprivation experiments conducted in caves. Everyone else, in normally life, gets sync'd to this artificial 24 hour system.

thekmanrocks@gmail.com: Jul 10 06:25AM -0700 On Friday, July 10, 2015 at 9:21:18 AM UTC-4, N_Cook wrote:   > The innate human biological clock is nearer 25 hour-day than 24 hours, > from the sensory deprivation experiments conducted in caves. Everyone > else, in normally life, gets sync'd to this artificial 24 hour system.     I suppose 24 developed out of need for dividing the day evenly. Of course, that doesn't explain the 7-day week. LOL

"jfeng@my-deja.com" <jfeng@my-deja.com>: Jul 10 07:25AM -0700 > I suppose 24 developed out of need for dividing the day > evenly. Of course, that doesn't explain the 7-day week. LOL The French Revolution also metricated the clock (10 hours in a day, 100 minutes in an hour, 100 seconds in a minture) and the calendar (3 decades in a month, 10 days in a decade, plus complementary days. This appears to be one part of the metric system that was not widely adopted.

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>: Jul 10 10:45AM -0400 On 07/09/2015 01:44 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:   > And yet if you were aiming at Pluto via a slingshot around Venus, you > don't want to be 17km off on approach to Venus. I can't do the math, but > I suspect it's rather closer to 17cm.   Well, you probably aren't using your computer's clock to do that measurement anyway. Astronomers and orbital mechanics bods are used to having to worry about different types of time scale--ephemeris time, UT1, UT2, UTC, and so on.   The movement to abolish leap seconds is just another special interest group.   Cheers   Phil Hobbs   -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics   160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510   hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Jul 10 04:11PM +0100 >> I suppose 24 developed out of need for dividing the day >> evenly. Of course, that doesn't explain the 7-day week. LOL > The French Revolution also metricated the clock (10 hours in a day, 100 minutes in an hour, 100 seconds in a minture) and the calendar (3 decades in a month, 10 days in a decade, plus complementary days. This appears to be one part of the metric system that was not widely adopted.   With one admirable exception - lobster thermidor

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jul 10 08:16AM -0700 On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:08:45 +1000, Clifford Heath >adjust the *numbering* to match the planet's >motion. But adjusting the numbering doesn't >make time pass slower or faster.   Sure it does. If you watch the clock, time will seem to go slower. Surely there's a standard for Universal Perceived Time.   I don't want to be late, I simply set my clocks to about 15 minutes ahead. That would be a Leap Quarter Hour.   It also works in the other direction. If I'm expecting a package delivery, it will always be late, the result of time dilation due to the movement of the package. I've also noticed that the faster someone appears to be working towards a deadline, the further behind the project slips, again the result of time dilation and movement.   -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

KenO <kenitholson@yahoo.com>: Jul 10 07:42AM -0700 Hi,   Am new to ESR Meters so have been searching the Internet and Forums for info.   Appreciate comments from others that have been using ESR Meters as to what features would be included in an "Ideal ESR Meter"   Thanks   Ken

mike <ham789@netzero.net>: Jul 09 10:57AM -0700 On 7/9/2015 9:11 AM, Bennett wrote: > wireless electric and natural gas meters - you don't pay $150 + 20/mo > if you have both.) The charge is meant to cover the added cost of > someone coming to your residence every other month to read the meters.   Sounds rather expensive given that my neighbor's wireless meter is about 10 feet further from the bedroom than mine...and the other neighbor's wireless meter is about 60 feet closer to my bedroom than mine...and I spend most of my time three feet from a wireless router.   When people start bitching about the dangers of electric power lines, I like to ask them if they spend a third of their life under an electric blanket. That shuts most of them up really quickly.

Allodoxaphobia <knock_yourself_out@example.net>: Jul 09 06:18PM > Jon Elson: And wait till wireless electric transmission > becomes reality. Then what will people do?? ;)   Wouldn't it be GREAT if Tesla had been born one century later?   Jonesy

"Ron D." <Ron.Dozier@gmail.com>: Jul 09 03:51PM -0700 Electric meters are likely a Zigbee (peer to peer) network and eventually communicate via a cell phone data stream. The meters are TWO-WAY. The power company can disconnect power remotely.   Water meters have batteries. Supposedly they are "truck" activated and only talk back when prompted. Yes, they have a battery.   The gas meters, I don;t know, but they may operate the same way as the water meters. They contain batteries.   Battery life is estimated to be about 7 to 10 years as I understand it.

etpm@whidbey.com: Jul 09 04:37PM -0700 On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 15:51:49 -0700 (PDT), "Ron D."   >Water meters have batteries. Supposedly they are "truck" activated and only talk back when prompted. Yes, they have a battery.   >The gas meters, I don;t know, but they may operate the same way as the water meters. They contain batteries.   >Battery life is estimated to be about 7 to 10 years as I understand it. I have a radio connected electric meter here in WA state and power cannot be disconnected except by someone doing something at the meter itself. I know this because I needed power disconnected to do some work where the lines from the meter base enter the shop. PSE sent out someone to disconnect the power and then re-connect it the next day after I had done the work. No charge for the service. I suppose it is possible that they have upgraded the meter without me knowing but as I recall when they switched me from the old way of using meter readers to the new fangled radio reporting they had to shut off the power. They sent us a letter informing us of the time window when we would be losing power for a short time period. This has not happened again. Eric

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jul 09 06:56PM -0700 On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 15:51:49 -0700 (PDT), "Ron D."   >Electric meters are likely a Zigbee (peer to peer) network and eventually >communicate via a cell phone data stream.   Not quite. The power meters typically use 900 MHz spread spectrum to communicated with each other using a store and forward mesh network system. Eventually, the meter reading is delivered through a series of hops by other meters to an access point radio that is connected to the internet. From there, the data goes to the utility company computah or service company.   Some smart meters have a built in Zigbee radio, designed to communicate with subscriber owned energy monitors. However, there are few approved devices and the local utility (PG&E) doesn't seem interested in expanding the selection: <http://www.pge.com/en/myhome/saveenergymoney/rebates/han/validateddevice/index.page> <http://www.aztechmeter.com> I'm underwhelmed.   >The meters are TWO-WAY.   Correct. Note that they are also simplex radios, that can either transmit or receive, but not at the same time.   >The power company can disconnect power remotely.   Most can do this. Allegedly, it's to deal with turning the power on/off when a customer relocates. It saves a truck roll for connects and disconnects. There are numerous anecdotes of people having their power disconnected for non-payment, but the few where details were supplied, were by a truck roll to recover the meter, not by a remote disconnect. However, this may change in the future.   >Water meters have batteries. Supposedly they are "truck" activated >and only talk back when prompted. Yes, they have a battery.   Both the power and gas meters have batteries. 10 years is the nominal expected life from lithium-thionyl chloride (LTC) batteries. However, these batteries are non-rechargeable and will need to be replaced eventually. Fortunately, newer batteries are rechargeable and can allegedly last 20 years. <http://www.tadiranbat.com/index.php/tli-series-rechargeable> <http://www.tadiranbatteries.de/pdf/applications/battery-concepts-for-smart-utility-meters.pdf> I don't know they plan to handle the battery replacement or recharge problem.   >The gas meters, I don;t know, but they may operate the same way as >the water meters. They contain batteries.   Yep and also not rechargeable. Locally, the gas meters run in the commercial UHF frequency range (450-470 MHz) and do NOT use spread spectrum. I know the frequencies, but I'm not talking.   >Battery life is estimated to be about 7 to 10 years as I understand it.   The battery life depends on how close to the internet connected radio the smart meter is located. If it's quite close, it will be doing the store and forward repeater dance for a large number of other smart meters located further away. That will burn more power running the transmitter, and produce a shorter battery life. Smart meters that are further away, and don't do much store and forward repeating, will last much longer.   More details: <http://www.pge.com/en/safety/systemworks/rf/faq/index.page> <http://www.pge.com/en/safety/systemworks/rf/facts/index.page> <http://www.pge.com/en/safety/systemworks/rf/ccst/index.page> <http://www.pge.com/includes/docs/pdfs/shared/edusafety/systemworks/rfsafety/rf_summary_discussion_rat2.pdf> <http://www.pge.com/includes/docs/pdfs/shared/edusafety/systemworks/rfsafety/amr_rf_analysis_report_2005.pdf> <http://www.pge.com/includes/docs/pdfs/shared/edusafety/systemworks/rfsafety/rf_fields_supplemental_report_2008.pdf> etc...     -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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Mark Wilson Decker gave up any legal right (he may now be asserting) a long time ago that this info is injurious to him or his family since the statute of limitations to bring a libel lawsuit is 1 year in each of the 50 U.S. states.   <brob...@utilipoint.com> wrote:   Three little whores, Three little whores, See how they suck, See how they fuck, Their daddy feels them up all day, Their daddy probes their cunts all day, Their days pimps them out all nite, They're three Decker whores!   Somebody is censoring this stuff; the truth must hurt!   Onze afternoon, i wasz catchin a snooze in my backyard on a sunny day. Much to my surprize, i lifted my hat and found my neighborz Jenn Racey unzipping my pants. Shez gestured to me with herz indexes finger over herz slender lips to be quiet. I say figures okay, she then unzipped my pants and reached in and tuggzed on my big black mamba! Immediatelzly, my blacks a mamba becomes engorged with hot burstz of human excitementz. With a big tugz with both of herz handz, Jennifer Lynn Racey pluckz me black mamba to a full erctionz! Shez then opened herz mothz and slipsz it over my full manhoodz. She gagz and coughz a bit but begins herz suckin action upz and downz! She repeatedlyz goez faster and faster untilz i feelz my venemouz black mamba release a massive explozion into herz mouth. At first, shez triyz to swallow it but my venomouz fluidz keepz jaculating in herz mouth. Then, she pullz herz head awayz with herz handz still clenched on my black mamba. She coughz and gagz a minute over the concretes but then placez herz lips back on myz black mamba. Once aginz, she jerks it hard withz both handz. Again, I'z begin to release a strong venemouz fluid at a fullz flow into herz small mouth. Myz black mamba squirmz in herz handz as i release all of my venemous fluid from myz snake into herz mouthz. i'z kannotz waitz til my neighbor Jennifer Lynn Racey sneaks back over to my house for zome afternoonz delight. Next timz, me thinks i shall let my black mamba go hogwildz in herz anuz. If she suckz me this good next time, i shall let myz snake ezcape in herz anuz andz give her zome my brotherly love. Myz black mamba has neverz felt so good after Jennifer Lynn Racey wrapped herz lipz around the big headz on meez mamba!   Mark W. Decker has a boat named Spoony: http://www.boatinfoworld.com/registration.asp?vn=96438   What do you think the chances are that he has already "spooned" and felt-up all three of his daughters (Audrey, Hannah and Libby Decker) aboard his boat with his "vessel" which he has a propensity to play with.... even in public! Let's see if this causes Mark Kacucha some legal trouble:   Belfort President Mark W. Decker (U.S. Naval Academy alumnus), let me tell you about this lowlife. Starts the workday between 9-10AM by checking work and personal email. Come 11-11:30AM, he's ready to go to the local gym to work out. Gets back in the office around 1PM and only then decides to take a lunch break as if the gym work- out didn't count for a lunch break. By 1:30PM, he's checking work and personal email and maybe making a few entires in his family diary which he keeps at work on the company hard drive. Come 3-4PM, he's getting anxious and is looking to wrap up his workday so he can go home and coach soccer league for one of his three daughters. Needless to say, all thru-out his "playful" workday, one gets to see all his dirty nasty habits including:   1) scratching his balls, 2) stroking his c o c k, 3) farting (and then asking someone else if they farted), 4) belching, 5) biting his fingernails, 6) picking his nose (and eating the choice boogies), 7) scratching his ass, 8) picking at his toenails 9) coughing (he has a chronic productive cough... yuck) 10) he has kidney stones (and urinates with pain)   Now keep in mind that this is a US Naval Academy graduate (Class of 1979) who's motto is "don't do as I do" but "do as I say!" Makes complete sense because he superiors in the U.S. Navy recognized his lack of leadership very early on. That's why Lt. Decker didn't last in the U.S. Navy and decided to enter the corporate world where he could use his skills of conniving, lying, denying, concealing, deceiving, and making things up!   Let's get this straight, he been with at least three different companies over the past dozen years, all where he had a hand in running them into the ground. Doesn't a midshipman know how to steer a boat to prevent it from running into the ground? He's been with:   1) Unc, Inc. 2) Mentor Technologies 3) Belfort Instruments   And now there appears to be evidence that he either resigned or was fired from Belfort Instrument Company for "poor performance." Seems like he spent four years trying to sell DigiWx and DigiWx AWOS and was a miserable failure at all of it while dragging down the finances for the rest of the Belfort company. It's easy to conclude that Mark W. Decker is "all that and a bag of chips" along with some "s h i t" salza on the side!   How many freakin passes does this lowlife (who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth) get? What kind of role m o d e l is he for his three daughters Audrey, Hanna, and Libby Decker? And how about his wife Jennifer Racey who decided to keep her maiden name (maybe because she knew about the lowlife she married).   Why do we have lowlifes like Mark W. Decker around? This guy thinks he the best thing since sliced bread. He doesn't think his s h i t stinks and he doesn't think too highly of woman in general either. Wonder how he'll explain that one to his three daughters one day?   Mark W. Decker (the "w" stands for "wiener" which he scratches) Jennifer L. Racey (probably wife) 289 Long Point Road (assessed value of $968,280 as of 1/1/05) Crownsville, MD 21032-1853 DOB: January 7, 1957 according to http://anybirthday.com   And then we have this: Hannah, Audrey & Libby Decker (daughters) were found dead in a second family home owned by Ralph P. Decker, Mary Ann Decker, Mark W. Decker and Jennifer L. Racey according to land records available from the Maryland State Department of Assessments and Taxation. No immediate cause of d e a t h was available. The second family home is located at: 11 Silverwood Circle SILVERWOOD Unit 3, Building 11, SC 3, Annapolis, MD 21403.   No explanation was available about how Hannah, Audrey & Libby Decker ended up in this second family home versus the other family home at 289 Long Point Road, Crownsville, MD 21032-1853 which is noted as being the family's primary residence according to land records available from the Maryland State Department of Assessments and Taxation.   And then this: COCK Scratching Belfort Digiwx President Mark W. Decker http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilber...-20070812.html   Pecker Scratching Belfort Digiwx AWOS President Mark W. Decker: PREPARE A PROPOSAL FOR THIS CUSTOMER   Dilbert: WHY ME?   Pecker Scratching Belfort Digiwx AWOS President Mark W. Decker: YOU WERE WALKING BY. I HAD IT IN MY HANDS   Dilbert: WE CAN'T WIN THIS BUSINESS. WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT PRODUCTS OR EXPERTISE.   Pecker Scratching Belfort Digiwx AWOS President Mark W. Decker: JUST SAY WE DO. WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT LATER   Dilbert: THEY KNOW WE DON'T. AND WE'D STILL BE THE MOST EXPENSIVE BIDDER.   Pecker Scratching Belfort Digiwx AWOS President Mark W. Decker: BID LOW. WE'LL MAKE IT UP WITH CHNAGE ORDERS AND UNEXPECTED ESSENTIAL UPGRADES.   Dilbert: IN OTHER WORDS, I'VE BEEN RANDOMLY ASSIGNED TO CREATE LIES FOR A PROPOSAL WE CAN WIN FOR A SERVICE WE CAN'T PERFORM.   Pecker Scratching Belfort Digiwx AWOS President Mark W. Decker: YOU MAKE COMPETING SOUND BAD.   Just a typical day at Belfort Instrument Digiwx AWOS company with the likes of Pecker Scratching Belfort Digiwx AWOS President Mark W. Decker, Resident MURDERER Debra S. Alascio Von Lange (aka Debra Lange), Jowl, Belly & Ass Ralph F. Petragnani, and the other THREE STOOGES: William C. Gordon, Bruce R. Robinson and Nicholas C. Kaufman.   Lastly, we have this: Belfort Instruments Digiwx has t-shirts emblazoned with the phrase: "The Wright Brothers Relied on Us"   American history seems to tell a very different story!   There is a press release with President Mark W. Decker name on it as the contact at: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2003/6/prweb67805.php   Mr. Decker says "The Wright Brothers monitored these (i.e. Belfort's) instruments as they prepared for their famous flight on December 17th, 1903."   THIS IS COMPLETE BULL-SHIT (Mark W. Decker style)   Here is what the Wright Brothers really wrote on December 17, 1903:   "We had a 'Richard' hand anemometer with which we measured the velocity of the wind. Measurements made just before starting the first flight showed velocities of 11 to 12 meters per second, or 24 to 27 miles per hour. Measurements made just before the last flight gave between 9 and 10 meters per second. One made just after showed a little over 8 meters."   And then there is that indisputable picture of: WILBUR WRIGHT USING A RICHARD'S ANEMOMETER (picture) http://wings.avkids.com/Book/Wright/history1_19012.html   Belfort Instrument Company President Mark W. Decker is trying to re-write history to include mention of Belfort and/or Friez. This is a shame and a sham! Buy anything except Belfort Instrument Digiwx AWOS from Bruce R. Robinson and company.   MARK WILSON DECKER (Class of 1979 U.S. Naval Academy) http://www.e-yearbook.com/yearbooks/ United_States_Naval_Academy_Lucky_Bag_Yearbook/ 1979/Page_167.html   Mark came all the way across town to attend Canoe U. Plebe year he became a news column regular from a starting position on the varsity soccer team and co- captain of the plebe lax team. Youngster year brought endless hours of study and a permanent nickname, " Max." He strove to max all he did and was involved in everything from hang gliding to " 4 pts. " and stars and strips. His home became the refuge for many youngster autos and drunk classmates, none the less the welcome mat was always out, and the hospitality was deeply appreciated. Second class year saw the dawning of the star fleet command of which Max was the CO. Even though Mark had female pussy connections in nearly every college in Maryland and Virginia, his 20-10 was primarily focused on the Ivy Leagues. Whether commanding a squadron or managing a corporation, you can bet Max will maximize and run it into the ground.   Last but not least: Path: g2news1.google.com!... From: George Orwell > Newsgroups: md.annapolis Subject: Mentor Technologies Mark W. Decker liked playing pocket pool Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 22:07:29 +0200 (CEST) Mail-To-News-Contact: Organization:   I saw where Mark W. Decker is now working at Belfort Instrumentation as I always wonder where he went after skipping out of Dodge City just barely when he left Mentor Technologies. If he hadn't left in 2001, Decker would have been shown the exit after his dismal performance at Mentor. The thing I will always remember about Decker was his passion for playing pocket pool, the kind one plays when they have something nasty growing in their crotch out of control. I mean get some Desenex or something for that jungle rot. He was absolutely icky just watching him work his hands in his pants pocket as he attempted to reach his private parts in search of a much needed scratch. Several coworkers wondered exactly why he scratched

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