- Electric meter conversion to wireless, I doubt this could be safe - 5 Updates
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| amdx <nojunk@knology.net>: Jul 08 12:20PM -0500 On 7/7/2015 10:22 AM, captainvideo462009@gmail.com wrote: Put this in context. Driving your car is the most dangerous thing you do. Forget about this. Mikek --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com |
| Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu>: Jul 08 05:57PM -0500 > to use my cell phone and I've chosen not to use wireless or a bluetooth. > What the power company is doing is taking away my choice and that's just > wrong. I use a cell phone as little as possible. Not sure there really is any risk to it, but I just don't know. The damn things barely work, anyway, the sound quality is awful and the mike and speaker are so close together you can either hear, or be heard, but not both at once. But, compared to a cell phone, or the now-ubiquitous cell towers, and other transmitters all over, the electric meters are REALLY a minimal contribution. > of us. I don't mean to get into a political debate here but really when > you boil it all down regardless of power level, in a free country what > right do these people have to irradiate me against my will? Lenny Well, if you feel strongly enough about it, the only option is have the electrc service taken out! I think you are going WAY overboard with this "irradiate me" statement. These meters are such a small source of RF, and quite intermittent too. Do you have the right to shut off all cell towers when you happen to be near them? How about broadcast radio and TV? How about various radars operating all over? You may not be aware of how MUCH electromagnetic radiation there is going on from all these sources, but there really is a lot. Oh, you know those things near the doors of most retail shops that have something to do with deterring ahoplifting? Are you aware these are also radio transmitters that interrogate anti-theft devices in many of the products you buy at the local store? Do the stores even bother to tell anybody what those devices are? You bet they don't tell you! What I'm trying to point out here is that these meters that you are so concerned about are tiny, compared to the huge "irradiation" you are recieving all day, from a bunch of other sources that you may be totally unaware of. Jon |
| thekmanrocks@gmail.com: Jul 09 05:05AM -0700 Jon Elson: And wait till wireless electric transmission becomes reality. Then what will people do?? ;) |
| Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Jul 09 08:41AM -0700 On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 08:22:55 -0700 (PDT), captainvideo462009@gmail.com wrote: >We received a notice from the power company that they intend to replace >our two electric meters with the new wireless units. These meters emit >short bursts of RF multiple times a day at a fairly substantial RF level. (...) It is very easy to prove that something is unsafe. All you need is one "victim" and an attorney. Once established, there will soon be an infinite supply of victims, all with their palms raised, demanding their fair share of the proceeds. It is impossible to prove that something is safe, because there will always be contrived circumstances where it can be made to be unsafe. For example, water is unsafe because at some levels of consumption, you become water intoxicated or will drown. Perfectly safe devices can also be made unsafe by doing something stupid with them, such as ingesting the article. For RF exposure, the problem is compounded by the wide variety of symptoms allegedly caused by RF exposure ranging from constipation to cancer. Google for "electro sensitive". RF is mostly a problem because we can't see or smell it thus making exposure seem all the more insidious. For smart meters (and wi-fi), the magic buzzword is "electro smog". Lots of alarmist studies and reports available such as: <http://www.nbcnews.com/id/34509513/ns/health-cancer/t/electrosmog-harming-our-health/> I'm only familiar with the cancer research, about which I wrote this rant and an associated informal talk: <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/Cellular%20and%20cancer.pdf> A bit more up to date graph: <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/brain-CNS-cancer.jpg> Details (later) if you want them. I could probably answer your RF related questions, but so can your local electric utility. Many have web pages on the topic of smart meters. A few have real people you can call or write to get information. Try those first, as it would take many pages of writing for me to produce a personalized answer. If you don't get results, bug me (later) and I'll try to fill in the gaps. For northern California: <http://www.pge.com/en/myhome/customerservice/smartmeter/index.page> <http://www.pge.com/en/safety/systemworks/rf/faq/index.page> -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
| Bennett <bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu>: Jul 09 09:11AM -0700 In California, the Public Utilities Commission has established rules for those wishing to opt out of "Smart Meters" and stay with analog meters. A one time $75 charge and then $10/month for 3 years. After that there's no extra charge. (The $75 +$10/month covers both the wireless electric and natural gas meters - you don't pay $150 + 20/mo if you have both.) The charge is meant to cover the added cost of someone coming to your residence every other month to read the meters. |
| Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>: Jul 08 07:42PM -0400 On 7/8/2015 4:22 AM, N_Cook wrote: > The new generation of atomic clocks, accurate to 1 second in 15 billion > years,supposedly - how do they know , without a more accurate clock than > that to check it against? It's a specific case of a very general problem, namely how to estimate and control systematic errors in a measurement. Generally speaking, if your hydrogen maser and your neighbour's caesium clock and your Russian brother-in-law's Bose-Einstein condensation agree, you can be pretty confident. Otherwise it's a real headache. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net |
| Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>: Jul 09 03:21AM +1000 On 08/07/15 18:22, N_Cook wrote: > The new generation of atomic clocks, accurate to 1 second in 15 billion > years,supposedly - how do they know , without a more accurate clock than > that to check it against? They don't call it "Coordinated Universal Time" (UTC) for nothing. My wife is a manager at Australia's National Measurement Institute, and works directly with the local "Time Lord" who's ultimately responsible for one of the six atomic clocks that are used to determine UTC. He's a nice bloke, too. Of course, nothing in this would allow us to detect a systematic slow-down in time itself, but if the effect was undetectable, how would it matter? As long as everything slowed down at the same rate, it would cause no effect that we could measure. So we compare the six clocks as they wander around each other, and we try to pick a mean line between them and call that line "coordinated time". And of course we do research to try to find a way to build a clock which tracks that mean line better than current ones do, which is how we got to where we are. Clifford Heath. |
| thekmanrocks@gmail.com: Jul 09 03:54AM -0700 Clifford Heath: The biggest variant here is the planet itself. Earth is slowing down, overall, at a more rapid rate than any of the world's atomic clocks are speeding up or slowing down. It's why an "ephemeris" second is inserted every so many years. |
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