Digest for sci.electronics.repair@googlegroups.com - 10 updates in 3 topics

Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.net>: Sep 08 05:46AM -0400

On 9/7/2015 10:57 PM, Ewald Böhm wrote:
 
> Office 365 is stupid, for anyone buying only 1 copy of Home & Student,
> and who is still using Office 2007, which means they'd pay for Office
> ten times over with the subscription than with the one price.
 
There is one advantage. The dog eating the homework it too old to be
believed these days. Now the excuse is, "My mother didn't pay this
month's Word rent so it won't let me print"
Tony Hwang <dragon40@shaw.ca>: Sep 08 07:45AM -0600

Ewald Böhm wrote:
 
> Number 3 is: "Intel 802.11ac WLAN and Bluetooth [1x1]".
> So, what does that tell us?
 
> Are we saying the "ac" is both 2.4GHz & 5GHz by virtue of the "a" in "ac"?
 
I am out of this thread. You are impossible.
When e say it is dual band it is. If you can't believe why don't you ask
HP? So much hassle buying a laptop.
Ewald Böhm <ewvesb@gilltaylor.ca>: Sep 08 04:35PM

On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 04:56:58 -0700, trader_4 wrote:
 
> Like Jeff says, the specs should say if it supports B/G or not. If it
> does, then it has 2.4 ghz. The one thing that wasn't posted was the
> link to the actual HP card so we could look.
 
I apologize and agree.
I had posted a screen shot of all the information that HP provides:
But that's all I have.
 
The problem is, if I look at a DELL or Toshiba or Lenovo laptop, I'll
still have the SAME PROBLEM of figuring out whether it has 5GHz or 2.4GHz
or both, from the specs.
 
So, it behooves us to be able to read the specs.
 
From what Jeff said, all I can tell is (is this correct?):
802.11 a ==> 5GHz only
802.11 b ==> 2.4GHz only
802.11 g ==> 2.4GHz only
802.11 n ==> 2.4GHz only?
802.11 ac ==> 5GHz only
 
Basically, if it has an "a" in the description, then it's 5GHz.
Otherwise, it's 2.4GHz.
Ewald Böhm <ewvesb@gilltaylor.ca>: Sep 08 04:36PM

On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 04:36:43 -0400, noname wrote:
 
> FWIW, this Lenovo ThinkPad W550s has two cards listed as options:
 
> -- Intel 7265 BGN + Bluetooth Version 4.0"
 
> -- Intel 7265 AC/B/G/N Dual Band Wireless + Bluetooth Version 4.0"
 
Since this thread is really about INTERPRETING specs, is this
interpretation correct?
 
1. Intel 7265 BGN + Bluetooth Version 4.0
Would it be safe to assume this has *only* 2.4GHz?
 
2. Intel 7265 AC/B/G/N Dual Band Wireless + Bluetooth Version 4.0
Is it safe to assume this has *both* 2.4GHz & 5GHz?
Ewald Böhm <ewvesb@gilltaylor.ca>: Sep 08 04:40PM

On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 14:51:42 -0600, Tony Hwang wrote:
 
> -AC mode runs on 5GHz band, -N can run on either.
 
So, if 'n' can run on either, when a spec only says 'b/g/n',
how do you know whether the 'n' is 2.4GHz or 5GHz?
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Sep 08 09:46AM -0700

On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 08:54:00 +0000 (UTC), Ewald Böhm
>> before it become too old to use. At an optimistic 7 years, that's the
>> same $20/year per machine as Office 365.
 
>I'm sure, but only because of arithmetic.
 
If you don't believe the numbers, then what do you believe?
 
>She's a teacher. Not a school.
>She only has an ancient WinXP desktop that has Office 2007 on it.
>When she gets a new laptop, she needs a new Office anyway.
 
Nope. Office 2007 will run on Win 10:
<http://www.microsoft.com/en-in/windows/compatibility/CompatCenter/ProductViewerWithDefaultFilters?TempOsid=Windows%2010&Locale=en-in&Architecture=X64&TextSearch=microsoft%2Boffice%2B2007%2Bstandard&Type=Both&CurrentPage=0&TotalPages=1&ShowCriteria=0&SortCriteria=Relevance&Compatibility=Unknown&LastRequested=14>
Grab Belarc Advisor, run it on the XP machine, and PRINT the results.
Somewhere in there, it will have the various serial numbers needed for
the installation. If the ancient XP machine crashes without a backup
or a list of serial numbers, she will not be able to reinstall Office
2007 on a new machine:
<http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html>
 
>so, it costs her $140 for 7 years (or 10% less with the teacher discount).
 
>It's a no brainer, to me; but this isn't the question in the OP, so it's
>just an offshoot discussion which isn't at all confusing to me.
 
Right. With only one machine, Office 365 doesn't make economic sense.
I was thinking of a skool, not an individual user. I still think the
various alternatives (Google Office, LibreOffice, etc) are worth
investigating.
 
Good luck.
 
 
--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Sep 08 09:50AM -0700

On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 08:40:06 +0000 (UTC), Ewald Böhm
 
>Number 3 is: "Intel 802.11ac WLAN and Bluetooth [1x1]".
>So, what does that tell us?
 
>Are we saying the "ac" is both 2.4GHz & 5GHz by virtue of the "a" in "ac"?
 
It tells me that HP marketing is clueless. The assumption is that
anything that does "ac" will also do the lesser protocol of "a". Since
"ac" only works on 5GHz, and nobody today makes a 5GHz only radio,
it's a fair assumption that anything with "ac" will be dual band.
However, that's an assumption. I tried to find the Intel card used in
the 15z and failed. You'll probably have to ask HP pre-sales, this I
predict will be clueless. You might try the HP support forums.
<http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Laptop-and-Notebook-Computers/ct-p/Notebook>
 
--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Sep 08 02:37PM +0100

Flashing r is lack of current, needs 9V , 700mA minimum.
Repaired that pcb and another problem under keyboard. One bank of keys
inoperative. Originally found the break on the common line to keys 25 to
32, then it disappeared. Could not find the break so will run a bypass
wire. Neatest way , for a good soldering point on wide trace of the
commons, is punch a hole through the pink silicone mambrane and pass a
wire through that and down to the ribbon connector. I asume the hairline
crack is somewhere along the 400mm or so run of fine track.
Retirednoguilt <pkent@netzero.com>: Sep 07 01:54PM -0400

On 9/6/2015 11:54 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:
> ~100.00. You can have simple stereo set up with two speakers and
> start from there upto 7 speakers plus two woofers. Surround sound is
> nice to have. WiFi mode is downward compatible.
 
Tony,
 
Not all home theater receivers provide video output in a different
format than the format of the video input. My home theater is a Best
Buy Insignia unit - which came with all the speakers; a unit that meets
your description of "entry level HT receiver with speaker kits in a
box". The receiver appears to be a re-labeled Onkyo unit. I have HDMI,
component, and composite input sources connect to the HT receiver.
However, I found to my surprise, consistent with the user's manual, that
the receiver outputs those video sources only to the same format output
jacks on the receiver. Fortunately, my HDTV has sufficient input
sources of each type so I don't have a problem. In summary, my HT
receiver won't output a composite or component video input signal to the
HDMI output jack. If an when I ever replace my HT receiver, I'll make
sure the replacement can do that. Peter
Tony Hwang <dragon40@shaw.ca>: Sep 07 01:15PM -0600

Retirednoguilt wrote:
> receiver won't output a composite or component video input signal to the
> HDMI output jack. If an when I ever replace my HT receiver, I'll make
> sure the replacement can do that. Peter
 
Your only choice is then using little converter box. 3 cable component
cable/digital audio in and HDMI out. Some time ago wife won a HT in a
box, LG brand in a raffle. It has HDMI o/p to HDTV. Since we did not
need it, I sold it to a neighbor's kid for 100.00. I never like Onkyo
receivers.
Their power supply seems to be little under rated. Unit runs always too
hot to my liking. I was a fan of Denon stuff. Now I moved up to Anthem
receiver and all Paradigm speakers except PBS 250W 12" Woofer. When
organic TV price comes down I'll upgrade TV set.
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