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amdx <nojunk@knology.net>: Sep 05 12:39PM -0500

I think it's Lithium just being Lithium.
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> I think it's Lithium just being Lithium.
> Mikek
 
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John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Sep 05 01:51PM -0700

On 09/05/2016 10:39 AM, amdx wrote:
> I think it's Lithium just being Lithium.
> Mikek
 
" lithium is highly reactive and flammable."
 
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amdx <nojunk@knology.net>: Sep 06 10:03AM -0500

On 9/5/2016 3:51 PM, John Robertson wrote:
>> Mikek
 
> " lithium is highly reactive and flammable."
 
> John :-#)#
 
That was my point.
 
Mikek
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com>: Sep 06 11:58PM +0800

On 6/09/16 23:03, amdx wrote:
 
> That was my point.
 
Most mortals don't know what lithium is and how it behaves. Mind to
summarize? :)
 
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Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>: Sep 06 06:09PM +0200

On 09/06/2016 05:03 PM, amdx wrote:
 
>> " lithium is highly reactive and flammable."
 
>> John :-#)#
 
> That was my point.
 
With a note that Li-ion/pol cell chemistry
( one of many cell chemistries based on lithium )
at normal circumstances does not contain free metallic lithium.
 
The neutral lithium atoms are intercalated
within the honeycomb plates of graphite electrode.
 
Only in case the cell is overcharged, the metallic lithium
eventually starts to deposit on the anode graphite surface.
 
Reaction rates of undesired exothermic side reactions increases,
involving namely with metal oxides of cathode
eventually the LiPF6 electrolytes
and organic carbonates R-O-CO-O-R'.
 
The carbonates are flameable liquid and combined with the lithium
cam make a hell from such damaged battery.
 
a notebook battery intentionally brought to critical damage point
can cause up to 2 m high violet and violent flame.
John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Sep 05 01:55PM -0700

On 09/05/2016 12:52 AM, Brasto wrote:
> The steel wire type forms one half and the "cotton" tread closes the loop, AM and FM circuit are using the same type of different wires.
> The steel part is on vintage radio's subject to corrosion and breaks easily, I found it no problem to replace the steel by a "cotton" type.
> Question: what is the reason Philips engineers have chosen for this two type of wire concept?
 
Most likely to avoid stretch - so the frequency indicator stays true.
 
There was (is?) a fine braided highly flexible and strong wire that was
used in those days for the same reason. I have an old roll of it in my
shop that is used on jukeboxes for moving various things in the mechanism...
 
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"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Sep 06 05:38AM -0700

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 3:52:08 AM UTC-4, Brasto wrote:
> The steel wire type forms one half and the "cotton" tread closes the loop, AM and FM circuit are using the same type of different wires.
> The steel part is on vintage radio's subject to corrosion and breaks easily, I found it no problem to replace the steel by a "cotton" type.
> Question: what is the reason Philips engineers have chosen for this two type of wire concept?
 
There is a lot of history for tuner-cords, AKA Dial Cord, and as many types as there were radios. The wire-based dial cord - as already noted - was used to prevent stretching, until (at least in the US) spring-loaded systems were developed to absorb the stretch equally. For the most part, modern replacement materials are corrosion resistant and will easily outlast the radio.
 
Other options include wire-core "Rigging Twine" used by scale modelers: This is a cloth-over-wire material that is useful for low-use systems as it looks "original" and takes knots very well. There is also a braided material used by scale-sailboat racers that is extremely strong, flexible, corrosion-resistant and able to take repeated stress. Probably your best bet if you intend to use this radio a good deal. Not cheap, but you don't need much either.
 
Plain ordinary braided Dacron fishing line is also useful as it gets over its 'stretch' in the first use, and will remain stable after that. It is very strong and comes in many weights and colors. And is very cheap. I would use this in lieu of the wire after pre-stretching it first.
 
Good luck with it.
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
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