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| ohger1s@gmail.com: Oct 10 09:25AM -0700 On Saturday, October 8, 2016 at 6:50:57 PM UTC-4, Roger Blake wrote: > Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com > Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sounds like the knock-off brands of TV Homer Simpson was shopping for, including Magnetbox and Panaphonics. |
| Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>: Oct 09 09:50PM -0400 Ken Blake wrote: >> I am aware my news reader does it but have not have the time to change it. > It has very little to do with your newsreader. Regardless of where > the newsreader puts the cursor, you can move it yourself. Outlook Express can use OEQuoteFix. It's possible that third-party thing can make OE a good citizen. http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ Paul |
| "Andy" <N@n.com>: Oct 10 02:33AM -0400 I was told it's in my news reader settings ken so ill change it when i get time :) -- AL'S COMPUTERS "Ken Blake" <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote in message news:o1lkvbh3v3b5acncjgl9nse7cknamda9jt@4ax.com... >I am aware my news reader does it but have not have the time to change it. It has very little to do with your newsreader. Regardless of where the newsreader puts the cursor, you can move it yourself. |
| "Andy" <N@n.com>: Oct 10 02:33AM -0400 Thank you ill look in to it -- AL'S COMPUTERS "Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote in message news:ntes4r$d5r$2@dont-email.me... |
| Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk>: Oct 10 08:52AM +0100 On 10/10/16 07:33, Andy wrote: > I was told it's in my news reader settings ken so ill change it when i get > time :) I'm sorry to read you are "so ill". If that prevents you from using the down-arrow key, I hope you get better soon. |
| "Andy" <N@n.com>: Oct 10 04:42AM -0400 I make mistakes TOM are you prefect? -- AL'S COMPUTERS "Tom Gardner" <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:kNHKz.493901$%E.252679@fx39.am4... |
| Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk>: Oct 10 10:19AM +0100 On 10/10/16 09:42, Andy wrote: > I make mistakes TOM are you prefect? I tried to convince my daughter I was, but she didn't believe it. As a separate point, top-posting and putting the context (i.e. my response to your previous message) below your .sig (i.e. after the "--" line) meant that my newsreader chopped the context when creating this message. Yes, I could have manually re-inserted it, but I couldn't be bothered. Another reason top-posting is disliked. |
| Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>: Oct 10 08:45AM -0700 On Sun, 09 Oct 2016 21:50:38 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: >> the newsreader puts the cursor, you can move it yourself. >Outlook Express can use OEQuoteFix. It's possible >that third-party thing can make OE a good citizen. Yes, I know. Back in the days when I used Outlook Express, I used to use OEQuoteFix. But my point was that although even though something like OEQuoteFix can make it easier, it isn't necessary. You can still put your reply anywhere you want before, after, or within the quoted text. |
| Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>: Oct 10 08:50AM -0700 >I was told it's in my news reader settings ken so ill change it when i get >time :) Two points: 1. You apparently use Outlook Express, and what you were told is wrong. There's no way to change where Outlook Express puts the cursor in a reply. 2. This is a slightly expanded repeat of what I said earlier: regardless of where Outlook Express, or any other newsreader, puts the cursor, it's very easy to move it wherever you want it. To bottom post, simply click at the bottom of the message and the reply cursor will move there. |
| Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid>: Oct 10 11:20AM -0500 On 10/10/2016 01:33 AM, Andy wrote: > I was told it's in my news reader settings ken so ill change it when i get > time :) One thing I learned quickly the first time I used a a GUI was to select where typed text would go (click or use the tab key, etc). I didn't notice the problem with OE (over a decade ago, when I used OE). -- 76 days until the winter celebration (Sunday December 25, 2016 12:00:00 AM for 1 day). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Have you noticed there are no interesting people in heaven? --Just a hint to the girls as to where they can find their salvation." [Nietzche, "The Will to Power"] |
| Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com>: Oct 10 01:25PM +0100 A friend has a disabled buggy for short distance trips. It is supposed to do 25 to 30 miles on fully charged batteries. Last week it stopped dead after about 10 miles. It was retrieved by the insurance company and taken to the workshop for repair. A fuse had blown and so both batteries needed replacing. Can anyone explain how a fuse blowing results in the batteries needing to be replaced. They are sealed lead acid batteries. Any ideas? Steve -- Neural Network Software for Windows http://www.npsnn.com |
| Pat <pat@nospam.us>: Oct 10 08:55AM -0400 On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 13:25:23 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme >acid batteries. >Any ideas? >Steve My guess is that it's the other way around. The bad batteries (voltage lower than spec due to bad cells) caused the electronic controller to draw too much current in an attempt to maintain speed. That's just a guess, though. It is hard disagnose something with no information. It is also possible they replace the batteries whenever they do any other repair to avoid another trip to the shop as the batetries reach end-of-life. |
| Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com>: Oct 10 02:18PM +0100 >information. It is also possible they replace the batteries whenever >they do any other repair to avoid another trip to the shop as the >batetries reach end-of-life. The batteries were brand new about two months old! Steve -- Neural Network Software for Windows http://www.npsnn.com |
| Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com>: Oct 10 02:21PM +0100 On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 14:18:27 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme >>batetries reach end-of-life. >The batteries were brand new about two months old! >Steve I should have typed "two months ago!" Steve -- Neural Network Software for Windows http://www.npsnn.com |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Oct 10 06:26AM -0700 Sealed Lead-Acid batteries Do Not like to be run dead. Ideally, they never should drop below 50% of capacity before being recharged. Now, we get into hype and sales pitches. The "Advertised" range of these little go-buggies is how far they will go downhill, with a tailwind, carrying a 30 pound load after a full charge on a cool day. The actual safe range is about 1/2 of that, 2/3 once in a great while. Otherwise, the battery sulfates - and dies. Fuses are not voltage-dependent devices, but current dependent. So, as the battery starts to drop, and the regulator pulls more and more current (at a lower voltage) to the motors, the motors will start to overheat. And eventually the fuse(s) will blow to prevent damage to the motors. http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/sulfation_and_how_to_prevent_it Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
| Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com>: Oct 11 12:55AM +1100 > current (at a lower voltage) to the motors, the motors will start to > overheat. And eventually the fuse(s) will blow to prevent damage to > the motors. That could happen if the motor controller is very crude, but a good motor controller would incorporate current limiting, and the current limit should be set below the fuse blowing current. |
| Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com>: Oct 11 01:16AM +1100 On 10/10/2016 23:25, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote: > results in the batteries needing to be replaced. They are sealed lead > acid batteries. > Any ideas? Would the workshop receive more money if they decide that the batteries need replacing, even if the batteries are ok? Changing the batteries would be a quick and simple job involving very little labour or knowledge, and the mark-up on the replacement batteries might be quite large. That might be one explanation why the workshop decided to replace them. In fairness to the workshop, many people abuse batteries without mercy, running them into deep discharge and then leaving them to sulfate, or making them boiling hot with heavy currents for long durations. Determining with certainty whether the batteries are just a bit flat or have been damaged through abuse may be a very time-consuming job and require much experience and knowledge, and if the batteries are found to be good, then it would likely be unprofitable also. They may also be uncertain about the condition of the batteries, and may fear that they would make the customer unhappy if the batteries are bad and they don't replace them. The workshop may even think that performing an unnecessary battery replacement is a way of doing the owner a favour, if an insurance company is paying. The fact that the batteries were able to blow the fuse is if anything a sign that they might be in good health. A really knackered battery might not be able to produce enough current to blow the fuse, depending on the fuse rating. If the owner is allowed to hang onto the old batteries then that would be nice, but I expect the workshop wants to sell them for the scrap value. In the event that the problem happens again with the new batteries, that will show that it was some other problem. |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Oct 10 07:55AM -0700 On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 9:55:49 AM UTC-4, Chris Jones wrote: > That could happen if the motor controller is very crude, but a good > motor controller would incorporate current limiting, and the current > limit should be set below the fuse blowing current. Bluntly, I would be surprised if the motor controller is anything more than a primitive SCR speed control and a fuse as a last-resort. These go-buggies are just short of a racket, with a very few genuine exceptions. And a brush-type DC motor will pull current even when not turning right down to a dead-short when the voltage drops below what is necessary to turn the motor against the load - and THAT is what blows the fuse. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
| Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>: Oct 10 11:06AM -0400 > turning right down to a dead-short when the voltage drops below what > is necessary to turn the motor against the load - and THAT is what > blows the fuse. Torque is proportional to current, no? Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Oct 10 08:21AM -0700 On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 11:06:50 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote: > Torque is proportional to current, no? Yep. But a DC motor dead-stopped is a short circuit. And even a very nearly crapped-out battery may have enough to blow a fuse if dead-shorted. Fuse action is not voltage dependent (as long as the fuse is rated at a higher voltage than the application). Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
| Look165 <look165@numericable.fr>: Oct 10 05:25PM +0200 The first question : which fuse blows ? Stephen Wolstenholme a écrit : |
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