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| clare@snyder.on.ca: Nov 19 10:11PM -0500 >>either at least as flammable or at least as dangerous as gasoline >>itself - particularly not that will not also destroy it's solvency. >Model T Fords would run on moonshine added to leaded gas :-) They'd run on straight moonshine if you opened the jets enough.. Most Model T's never saw "ethyl" gas as it was discovered in 1921 and firstr sold retail in Dayton Ohio in 1923.. It was 1928 before you could use leaded gas in NYC. |
| Raymond Spruance III <spruancerayIII@example.com>: Nov 20 02:42AM On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 18:31:08 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > VOCs into the atmosphere. If there was a reward, I would probably > turn you in for re-education and brain washing (using an eco friend > brain wash cleaner). Yikes. And I invited you to our weekly inventors luncheon too! :) |
| Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Nov 19 07:25PM -0800 On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 02:42:10 -0000 (UTC), Raymond Spruance III <spruancerayIII@example.com> wrote: I do wish you would use a single nym or alias, at least in the same thread. It's becoming difficult to follow your various personality changes. >> brain wash cleaner). >Yikes. And I invited you to our weekly inventors luncheon too! >:) You'll notice that I didn't attend. I don't invent, but prefer to adapt or steal as required. I suspect that I would not be welcome. Back to your original question about diluting gasoline, I'm wondering why you need to dilute the gasoline. The best I could conjure is that gasoline is expensive, being rather heavily taxed. Cutting it with a cheaper untaxed hydrocarbon solvent might save a few pennies, but only make sense if you're using gallons of the stuff. The problem is that at about $2.50/gallon for gasoline, all the other solvents are at least 3 times as expensive per gallon. Why do you need to dilute the gasoline? How big or how many labels are you removing that the process requires gallons of gasoline? -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
| Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Nov 19 07:46PM -0800 On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 02:49:31 -0000 (UTC), Robert Bannon >Note to Jeff: I'm not sure if that is accurate though, because there must be >alkenes and alkynes, and aromatics too; but the point is that anything that >is *in* gas (which is a *lot* of things should be able to dilute it. Nope. Please re-read what I ranted. Quoting myself: MSDS for Exxon regular gasoline: <http://www.msds.exxonmobil.com/IntApps/psims/Download.aspx?ID=83534&docFormat=RTF> Looks like it contains all your favorite missing VOC's. According to the MSDS, gasoline is a mix of butane, isobutane, pentane, and isopentane. The items your listed are what is in the "gasoline" portion of Exxon regular in addition to the other noxious and banned stuff listed in the MSDS. Exxon cleverly lists the major component of gasoline is gasoline which seems rather circular. Gasoline FAQ: See section 4.4 What are the hydrocarbons in gasoline? <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/autos/gasoline-faq/part1/index.html> >However, none of them appear to be 'common household chemicals'. Depends on the household. If cooking dinner is much like a chemstry experiment, then that would be an uncommon but appropriate household. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
| clare@snyder.on.ca: Nov 19 10:48PM -0500 On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 02:42:08 -0000 (UTC), Raymond Spruance III >I remove the labels first, and only *after* the label is gone, do I use the >solvent to try to get rid of the goop. >So some of us (e.g., peanut oil Oren! :) ) are attacking different problems. Because of the evaporation rate of MOST of these solvents, using it ON the label makes a lot of sense because it keeps the solvent in contact with the glue longer before it evaporates. Try it. |
| clare@snyder.on.ca: Nov 19 10:48PM -0500 On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 02:42:09 -0000 (UTC), Robert Bannon >Dunno. I never tried it. >But that's the theoretical problem with consumer alcohol (which is a lot of >water with some alcohol). Try it some day - it will NOT mix. (water with gasoline) |
| clare@snyder.on.ca: Nov 19 10:51PM -0500 On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 02:49:31 -0000 (UTC), Robert Bannon >alkenes and alkynes, and aromatics too; but the point is that anything that >is *in* gas (which is a *lot* of things should be able to dilute it. >However, none of them appear to be 'common household chemicals'. TECHNICALLY adding anything that is part of gasoline is NOT diluting it - in many cases it is making it "stronger" I'm willing to bet there is NOTHING that will meet your requirements as a "dilutent" for gasoline that will make it smell less, work as well or better, be less dangerous, and not cost the moon. |
| clare@snyder.on.ca: Nov 19 10:52PM -0500 On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 02:49:32 -0000 (UTC), Robert Bannon >> concerned. >I don't see alcohol, in any form, as viable, simply because I probably can't >easily get the alcohol without copious amounts of accompanying water. And IF you can fet it 200 proof (100%) it will not stay that way because it is TERRIBLT Hydroscopic. It will absorb moisture out of desert air!!! |
| clare@snyder.on.ca: Nov 19 10:53PM -0500 On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 02:49:34 -0000 (UTC), Raymond Spruance III >> there is no mouse or scorpian in your boot (or shoe) >Yup. That kind of advice. :) >It's the useless kind of advice that dumb mommy's love to give. I don't call it useless advice depending where you are. I have had a mouse in the bottom of my boot more than once on the farm, and scorpians in my shoes several times in Africa. |
| gregz <zekor@comcast.net>: Nov 20 08:48AM > There really isn't anything that will "dilute" gasoline that is not > either at least as flammable or at least as dangerous as gasoline > itself - particularly not that will not also destroy it's solvency. Jet fuel. Plain kerosene. Greg |
| Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>: Nov 20 10:47AM Jeff Liebermann wrote: > How big or how many labels are you removing that the > process requires gallons of gasoline? That's what I was wondering too, one aerosol can of label-remover has lasted me several years so far ... |
| "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>: Nov 20 09:53AM -0500 Andy Burns wrote: >> process requires gallons of gasoline? > That's what I was wondering too, one aerosol can of label-remover has > lasted me several years so far ... A quart bottle of citrus based Goo Gone lasted me over a decade. https://www.buycott.com/upc/070048779305/gz92-32oz-goo-gone -- Never piss off an Engineer! They don't get mad. They don't get even. They go for over unity! ;-) |
| "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>: Nov 20 10:00AM -0500 >>> http://www.homedepot.com/b/Paint-Paint-Thinner-Additives-Solvents-Cleaners-Paint-Thinner-Solvents-Cleaners/Paint-Thinners-and-Strippers/N-5yc1vZc5bmZ1z0t5hf > Forget the peanut butter. Peanut OIL is what does the job - the > "butter" is just a carrier A surplus store in Orlando, Florida used to use spray paint to remove labels from reels of wire. What a mess! -- Never piss off an Engineer! They don't get mad. They don't get even. They go for over unity! ;-) |
| Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Nov 19 07:51PM -0800 On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 09:25:31 -0500, bitrex >I sand down the wires, tin them, and then do my best to solder them up, >but the holes in the terminals are very small and I don't see as well >these days. Soldering to tiny foil (tinsel) wires is difficult. What I do is wrap the wire with one strand of fine bare copper wire salvaged from a piece of stranded wire. I wrap the fine bare wire around the foil wire, and then solder to the bare wire, not the foil wire. The wrap does not need to be tight, with all the turns jammed together, but rather a loose spiral with the pitch equal to about twice the foil wire. I can supply a photo if my description is too muddled. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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