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| Oren <Oren@127.0.0.1>: Nov 19 12:44PM -0800 On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 14:40:36 -0500, Tekkie® <Tekkie@comcast.net> wrote: >are innocent victims in your abode. I will update the run card and CAD so >responders will not endanger themselves to recover your charred >unrecognizable remains. ... sometimes it isn't worth chewing through the restraints :-\ |
| "dadiOH" <xico@verizon.net>: Nov 19 04:02PM -0500 "Robert Bannon" <rbannon@yahoo.spam.nowhere.invalid> wrote in message news:o0q7v9$tte$11@news.mixmin.net... > I don't see butane readily available either. > It might be (e.g., lighter refills), but it seems too flammable for me to > consider as the diluent. Wouldn't work even if it weren't flammable since it is only a liquid when under pressure. |
| Robert Bannon <rbannon@yahoo.spam.nowhere.invalid>: Nov 19 10:08PM On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:02:42 -0500, dadiOH wrote: > Wouldn't work even if it weren't flammable since it is only a liquid when > under pressure. Good point. I didn't even think of that. |
| clare@snyder.on.ca: Nov 19 05:54PM -0500 >>It's got to be sold in order for me to use it though. >>I don't see naptha at Home Depot for example. >>http://www.homedepot.com/b/Paint-Paint-Thinner-Additives-Solvents-Cleaners-Paint-Thinner-Solvents-Cleaners/Paint-Thinners-and-Strippers/N-5yc1vZc5bmZ1z0t5hf Forget the peanut butter. Peanut OIL is what does the job - the "butter" is just a carrier |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Nov 19 03:02PM -0800 On Friday, November 18, 2016 at 7:06:00 PM UTC-5, Robert Bannon wrote: I hereby nominate Robert Bannon for an anticipatory Darwin Award. Usually they are awarded posthumously, but he is such a "real man" that I thought he may wish to enjoy it in advance. Real Men are responsible for themselves and others, and typically avoid all forms of ritual suicide, including the breathing of benzine-based fumes indoors. Can you say CARCINOGEN? For sure, you cannot spell it. Sheesh! Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
| Oren <Oren@127.0.0.1>: Nov 19 03:06PM -0800 > Forget the peanut butter. Peanut OIL is what does the job - the >"butter" is just a carrier But the "butter" holds the oil on :- ) ...or try vegetable oil to soak the labels. |
| clare@snyder.on.ca: Nov 19 06:07PM -0500 On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:08:19 -0000 (UTC), Robert Bannon >stunk too. It's almost certainly less flammable though. >I also tried charcoal lighter fluid, which was just as bad at removing the >goop as was the Coleman fuel. Charcoal lighter fluid is usually undistinguishable from "varsol" ot "mineral spirits". Coleman fuel, or "white gas" has virtually the same flammability as regular gasoline but burns cleaner and has an octane of about 50 - the same as the old "straight run" gasoline from the '20s. |
| clare@snyder.on.ca: Nov 19 06:11PM -0500 On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:08:21 -0000 (UTC), Robert Bannon >there is no one "chemical" called "gasoline". It's a mix of alkanes, >alkenes, alkynes and aromatics (but I'll doublecheck since that's off the >cuff). The reason one solvent doesn't work all the time is there are so many "glues" used to attach labels. |
| clare@snyder.on.ca: Nov 19 06:13PM -0500 On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:08:22 -0000 (UTC), Robert Bannon >They suggest you wear goggles every time you hammer a nail. >Nothing wrong with goggles. I have a half dozen myself. >But every time you hammer a nail? My perscription bifocal glasses are listed safety glasses - and without them I'm not sure I'd hit the "right" nail . . . |
| clare@snyder.on.ca: Nov 19 06:18PM -0500 On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:08:26 -0000 (UTC), Robert Bannon >> Dichloromethane may be an alternative but it has serious health risks >> as well >Is that a common household chemical? Also known as Methylene Chloride it is the main component of many paint strippers. It is not generally available for retail sale in it's "raw" form. |
| clare@snyder.on.ca: Nov 19 06:19PM -0500 On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:08:26 -0000 (UTC), Robert Bannon >> solvents. >I am hoping that the solvent that we scientifically come up with is not only >readily available, but that it *lowers* the negative qualities of gasoline. There really isn't anything that will "dilute" gasoline that is not either at least as flammable or at least as dangerous as gasoline itself - particularly not that will not also destroy it's solvency. |
| Oren <Oren@127.0.0.1>: Nov 19 03:27PM -0800 > There really isn't anything that will "dilute" gasoline that is not >either at least as flammable or at least as dangerous as gasoline >itself - particularly not that will not also destroy it's solvency. Model T Fords would run on moonshine added to leaded gas :-) |
| clare@snyder.on.ca: Nov 19 06:29PM -0500 On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:08:27 -0000 (UTC), Robert Bannon >From the scientific standpoint (which is really what I'm after), are you >saying that a 50:50 mixture of methanol and gasoline would be *more* >flammable than a 100% mixture of either one? The big danger with methanol combustion is you can't see the light blue flame in a well lighted room - or even a poorly lighted one.. Other than that it is actually inherently safer than gasoline - and the mixture is more dangerous than straight methanol as far as fire is concerned. |
| clare@snyder.on.ca: Nov 19 06:32PM -0500 On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:08:29 -0000 (UTC), Robert Bannon >I always remove the label first, generally by soaking in plain old water. >Once I have the label removed, that's where I need the solvent to remove the >goop. Perhaps the "single step" method using "miracle in a can" would be the sinpler way???? >> year old child. >And wipe your shoes before you come in the house. >Otherwise, someone might slip on the mud. Turn your boots over and shake them before you put them on to be sure there is no mouse or scorpian in your boot (or shoe) |
| clare@snyder.on.ca: Nov 19 06:37PM -0500 >> consider as the diluent. >Wouldn't work even if it weren't flammable since it is only a liquid when >under pressure. Or below 31 degrees F at atmospheric pressure (sea level standard) |
| "tom" <tmiller11147@verizon.net>: Nov 19 07:17PM -0500 "Oren" <Oren@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:vsn13cdeee0kmqcmanqharscrf4fj96pcr@4ax.com... >>either at least as flammable or at least as dangerous as gasoline >>itself - particularly not that will not also destroy it's solvency. > Model T Fords would run on moonshine added to leaded gas :-) I thought the leaded gas was added to the moonshine. |
| Charles Bishop <ctbishop@earthlink.net>: Nov 19 05:19PM -0700 In article <o0o515$r7r$1@news.mixmin.net>, > Any suggestions of common household chemicals that can dilute gasoline? [snip] > What can I 'cut' the gasoline with that will mix with the gas and dilute it > (maybe 10:1 or even maybe 100:1)? > Any suggestions of common household chemicals that can dilute gasoline? The thread has 84 responses, some of which ignore your question to advise you on safety. If you're going for cheaper, I think anything you can find to dilute the gasoline will be nearly as costly as the gasoline. I know you want to do the label removal in the house, but wouldn't it be better to do this final step outside? Surely you can save up the jars until there is a sunny, breezy day? Also, you'll keep gasoline from going down the sink drain (you mentioned a sink in what I deleted). If ethanol works, how about isopropyl alcohol, a near relative? Use a single edge razor blade to get most of the goop off, then use the gasoline. Do the jars in batches for efficiency. charles, that's all I've got |
| Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>: Nov 19 05:56PM -0800 Robert Bannon wrote: > I use gasoline as a home goo-gone substitute for removing labels. > Most often I do it outside, because of the stink, but I want to keep it > inside in tiny amounts, diluted as much as possible. ** The adhesives used on most labels soften with heat - so a hot air gun will allow you to peel or scrape it off easily. The label itself stops solvents from penetrating through to the adhesive. Any residual can be cleaned up with mineral turps. I find "Eucalyptus Oil" a good solvent too. .... Phil |
| Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Nov 19 06:31PM -0800 On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:08:19 -0000 (UTC), Robert Bannon >Yup. The label removers are no better than gasoline, as far as I know, when >it comes to removing the underlying adhesive under most food-jar labels. They work fairly well for me. Getting the oily residue off of absorbent materials is my main objects. Number 2 objection is the smell. I went by Scarborough (Ace) Hardware today. What they have on the shelf are: Acetone Denatured Alcohol Lacquer Thinner Paint Thinner Turpentine Mineral Spirits Japan Dryer Painters Solvent (replaces MEK, toluene, xylene, VM+P Naphtha). That's it. All the good stuff is gone. MSDS for Exxon regular gasoline: <http://www.msds.exxonmobil.com/IntApps/psims/Download.aspx?ID=83534&docFormat=RTF> Looks like it contains all your favorite missing VOC's. According to the MSDS, gasoline is a mix of butane, isobutane, pentane, and isopentane. I'm surprised that the California Air Resources Board hasn't banned gasoline. So, by using gasoline for cleaning and label removal, you're dumping VOCs into the atmosphere. If there was a reward, I would probably turn you in for re-education and brain washing (using an eco friend brain wash cleaner). -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
| Raymond Spruance III <spruancerayIII@example.com>: Nov 20 02:42AM > The reason one solvent doesn't work all the time is there are so > many "glues" used to attach labels. I understand. You might not notice but I don't believe anyone who says any one solve works all the time, because it's just not going to happen. You'll notice that I take pains to say that the gasoline works "most" of the time, and "more" so than the other solvents that I have tried (with acetone coming in second to gasoline but a distant second at that). Also, I didn't realize you guys actually put the solvent *on* the label, which I never do. I remove the labels first, and only *after* the label is gone, do I use the solvent to try to get rid of the goop. So some of us (e.g., peanut oil Oren! :) ) are attacking different problems. |
| Robert Bannon <rbannon@yahoo.spam.nowhere.invalid>: Nov 20 02:42AM On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 17:19:41 -0700, Charles Bishop wrote: > If ethanol works, how about isopropyl alcohol, a near relative? The problem with *any* alcohol, is getting it without the water. I guess mixing gasoline with water might not be a bad idea though. Dunno. I never tried it. But that's the theoretical problem with consumer alcohol (which is a lot of water with some alcohol). |
| Robert Bannon <rbannon@yahoo.spam.nowhere.invalid>: Nov 20 02:49AM > There really isn't anything that will "dilute" gasoline that is not > either at least as flammable or at least as dangerous as gasoline > itself - particularly not that will not also destroy it's solvency. Actually, while you're probably right in a *practical* sense, I'm sure there are zillions of things that can dilute gasoline. For example, Jeff already looked up what is in gasoline, so, diluting the gasoline with any of those compounds would *probably* work. Jeff mentioned for example, a. butane, b. isobutane, c. pentane, and d. isopentane. Note to Jeff: I'm not sure if that is accurate though, because there must be alkenes and alkynes, and aromatics too; but the point is that anything that is *in* gas (which is a *lot* of things should be able to dilute it. However, none of them appear to be 'common household chemicals'. |
| Robert Bannon <rbannon@yahoo.spam.nowhere.invalid>: Nov 20 02:49AM > Other than that it is actually inherently safer than gasoline - and > the mixture is more dangerous than straight methanol as far as fire is > concerned. I don't see alcohol, in any form, as viable, simply because I probably can't easily get the alcohol without copious amounts of accompanying water. |
| Raymond Spruance III <spruancerayIII@example.com>: Nov 20 02:49AM > Turn your boots over and shake them before you put them on to be sure > there is no mouse or scorpian in your boot (or shoe) Yup. That kind of advice. :) It's the useless kind of advice that dumb mommy's love to give. My sister keeps sending me these hoaxes to watch out for razor blades in my kids halloween candy and to watch out for people selling cookies, etc. There's a certain kind of person (most of those in the California Assembly, in fact) who feel they need to be a nanny to everyone. |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Nov 19 02:55PM -0800 On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 2:50:10 PM UTC-5, Michael Terrell wrote: > They don't get mad. > They don't get even. > They go for over unity! ;-) Yes, but not my account. And, for the record, evasive, aren't we? If you cannot/will not furnish independently verifiable links to support your claim, it goes directly into the "everybody knows that... " false premises category. Sorry about that. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
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