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N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Feb 16 04:32PM On 14/02/2017 10:31, N_Cook wrote: > magenta. > Are the light ones just the strong ones diluted with distilled water? if > so, what sort of dilution ratio?   So far so good, good enough for posters. De-ionised water for ironing (without added pong). Chose 1:1 dilution, light cyan is good perhaps 2 water to 1 ink next time. Light Magenta is Trump colour for some odd reason, but can live with that as only poster graphics and text.

isw <isw@witzend.com>: Feb 15 09:00PM -0800 I have a La Crosse Time-Temperature device that I picked up at a garage sale about a year ago. It had a badly corroded battery compartment, which I got cleaned up, at which point the thing started working.   Recently, the display (it's one of those "big number" 7-bar LCDs) has gone quite dim when viewed head-on, but is plenty contrasty viewed at a large vertical angle. It did not have this problem when I first got it.   I know the most likely reason for that is a weak battery, but the cells checked out at about 1.5 V and replacing them made no difference.   La Crosse claims to have no schematics or other technical data at all ("the clock is made entirely in China").   Devices often have a "contrast" adjustment which changes some bias on the LCD and alters the best viewing angle, but this particular unit does not offer that as a user adjustment.   Is there some way that I can identify the particular connection to the LCD which provides this bias? If I could find it, I bet I could hack it.   thx   Isaac

ohger1s@gmail.com: Feb 16 04:12AM -0800 On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 12:00:25 AM UTC-5, isw wrote: > LCD which provides this bias? If I could find it, I bet I could hack it.   > thx   > Isaac   Take another look inside the device. Battery spew tends to migrate away from the point of egress, and it might not be visible. A tiny bit of stray conductance could throw the display off. The board might benefit from a good soak.

N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Feb 16 04:28PM On 16/02/2017 05:00, isw wrote: > LCD which provides this bias? If I could find it, I bet I could hack it.   > thx   > Isaac   I suspect this effect is due to multiplexing and an effective small intermittent DC bias , from overlaps, that somehow builds up a charge that upsets the LC

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Feb 15 08:46AM -0800 >Could you translate that line into English please? "   >Yeah, when I click on the reply button I do not want to >see "A problem occurred while communicating with the server".   Elsewhere in this thread, you mumbled something about your internet bill being part of your telephone bill. That means your ISP is probably AT&T (also known as the evil empire). Lots of potential problems, some of which I fix on a regular basis for customers. I don't want to get into a troubleshooting exercise right now, but basically, connect to the web server used to configure your unspecified model DSL modem, and grab some numbers. If you have a separate router, you may need to temporarily plug your computah directly into your modem. What you want are the SNR and Line Level numbers: <http://www.dslreports.com/faq/16220> This will tell you if you have too much copper between the CO or RT and your unspecified model DSL modem, or if your unspecified model DSL modem is operating at the limits of its capabilities. Or, the modem could just be too old, has bulging capacitors inside, or is not made for ADSL2+. Also, check the error rates if available. A few data errors are normal, but anything over about 10% of the total traffic in each direction is an indication of a problem.   >like this one."   >Please elaborate. Do you mean I should STFU or that this thread >would never be necessary there ?   If it helps, I prefer to be more diplomatic when I'm being insulting. No, it doesn't mean that I'm advocating your departure from s.e.r. It means that Reddit would not tolerate such off topic questions, discussions, and rants. You would be directed to a DSL related forum on Reddit, where you might obtain a more reasonable answer. Unless you keep your questions and replies on topic (and non-political), your comments would probably be disappeared into /dev/null. In other words, topic drift, rambling commentaries, and political rants are not tolerated.   I haven't made an accurate count, but my guess(tm) is only about 25% of the postings to s.e.r. are about electronic repair, which is much better than s.e.d, which is probably 5% on topic.   The personalities of Usenet: <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/genesis.txt>   -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

jurb6006@gmail.com: Feb 16 04:22AM -0800 >"Do they sell pre-paid visa debit cards where you are? Here one can hand over cash and buy one. I prefer those when dealing with small online transactions where I think the card details are likely to get stolen. "   You can call me a cheapskate or whatever you want but I can use a couple of people's credit cards, but I have a problem paying for what used to be free. I was an AOL sucker for a while. The most expensive end user ISP all the sudde drops Useet access, then they drop your webspace, where I used to have a couple of pages.   Your concerns about your numbers is understood but I have a story that is kinda ironic Re:That. Long time ago my Father had a similar concern about buying online and had never ever bought anything online. However, he gets this phone call from the one bank asking if he is in Italy. We wasn't nor had he ever been to Italy, but someone tried to use his card there. It was of course still in his wallet.   Apparently somewhere he used it, the clerk or someone got ahold of the numbers. I am not sure, but I am starting to think that online transactions are safer because quite possibly your numbers are never read by human eyes.   But really, paying for something that should be included is something I try to avoid. Walk into a tire shop now and ask them how much extra for the air, seriously.

jurb6006@gmail.com: Feb 16 05:10AM -0800 >"Elsewhere in this thread, you mumbled something about your internet bill being part of your telephone bill. That means your ISP is probably AT&T (also known as the evil empire)."   Evil empire is right, and in fact that is why we use cellular for all long distance. And they are not an evil empire, they are a monster from hell. Got chopped up by the Sherman anti-trust act decades ago and just grew up bigger. All that really happened was a bunch of lawyers got richer.   The MODEM was just changed in the last year or so. It is impractical to go look right now but luckily I had the manual on this laptop. It is a Pace 4111N.   >"If it helps, I prefer to be more diplomatic when I'm being insulting. No, it doesn't mean that I'm advocating your departure from s.e.r. "   Well if you did want me gone to most liely would not be offering advice on me keeping my access, which I do appreciate. However I do question everything. Later I will seek out your tools and bring back whatever SNL numbers or whatever, but I doubt that is the problem.   Reason being is that all other internet access is just fine, and I know how to coax it to reload rather than just rereading a page from the cache. This only affects Usenet, and actually I couldn't get it for abiout a month. I called ATT and the guy didn't even know what Usenet is, so I explained it.   Then, as it does now, it seems to just fix itself. Sometimes IE seems to connect better but at times I get the same errors. When it was down for a while I couldn't get Thunderbird to conect reliably, and by the time it did it seemed like Google did as well.   I'll get whatever numbers I can, in the meantime, the install is thus - the telco wire to the MODEM comes directly off the interface box on the side of the house. All other things on the line have filters. (a few newer things don't seem to need filters anymore, but they gotem anyway)   The master PC is a MAC and something I would rather not touch if possible. It has the typical RJ-45, as does the upstairs PC which is pretty new, Win 8.1 I think. My downstairs PC is offline right now because of a damaged CAT5 cable that is getting new ends crimped on. Hopefuilly that will be up by Friday. It is a 75 footer. Hopefully it works because I like having internet by the bench. The PC I am on now is the only one on wireless. However, when Usenet was down on this, the downstairs PC was still connected and had the same problem. So I doubt it is a problem with the wireless itself.   Now when I go to do this connection quality test, do I specify where to look ? Like would I have to point it to Usenet ? I have learned a few things aboutt he internet but obviously not enough, but any weak link in the chain from here to damnear Timbuktu could be causing this problem. Like there used to be a website called like "speedtest" or something, but when you went there you accessed their servers etc. and you got an ideal speed based on connecting to them, not just any other resource on the web.   Now after a few years ago with all this talk of throttling, I wonder if "they" would actually like Usenet killed. Many of these groups are unmoderated and cannot be moderated. they do not like that and we know it. I am not much into conspiracy theories but when you got people from government, industry and media going behind cosed doors to talk about shit they do not want us to hear, and their goal is clearly to enrich and empower themselvees at the expense of everyone else, what the hell are we supposed to think ?   But I am not going into that shit because of what might just be a few errors or poor maintaining or whatever.   I still would like to know why IE can access this but FF cannot.

Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com>: Feb 16 03:48PM >Your concerns about your numbers is understood but I have a story that is kinda ironic Re:That. Long time ago my Father had a similar concern about buying online and had never ever bought anything online. However, he gets this phone call from the one bank asking if he is in Italy. We wasn't nor had he ever been to Italy, but someone tried to use his card there. It was of course still in his wallet.   >Apparently somewhere he used it, the clerk or someone got ahold of the numbers. I am not sure, but I am starting to think that online transactions are safer because quite possibly your numbers are never read by human eyes.   >But really, paying for something that should be included is something I try to avoid. Walk into a tire shop now and ask them how much extra for the air, seriously.   Some banks have become a bit obsessive about cards since online frauds became common. My bank sent me a kit of new cards to use and a number to call with a authorisation code for the cards. When I called I gave a woman details about my previous location just to see what happens. Apart from a monthly statement sent my current location showing my overdraft limit I get nothing from the bank. The bank says they never ask clients to call them. It's about a month now and there are no transactions on the cards. I only use cash and online transactions. I don't use cards at all.   Steve     -- Neural Network Software for Windows http://www.npsnn.com

Stijn De Jong <stijndekoning@nlnet.nl>: Feb 16 01:52AM Simple question:   Q: Which app do you use on iOS or Android to figure out all the cellular towers and signal strengths of the cellular signal (CDMA or GSM) in your area?   Q: Does that app show you *all* the towers that your phone can see (or does it only show the one tower that your phone is connected to)?   On Android, I am currently testing these GSM/CDMA signal strength apps, where you can see my actual screenshot results in the photos below.   01 Network Cell Info Lite, version 3.30: http://i.cubeupload.com/HoKTav.jpg http://wilysis.com/networkcellinfo https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wilysis.cellinfolite   02 Network Signal Info, version 3.63.01: http://i.cubeupload.com/2zK8Ys.jpg https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.android.telnet   03 GSM Signal Monitoring, version 4.02: http://i.cubeupload.com/V9O0Gg.jpg https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.signalmonitoring.gsmsignalmonitoring   04 Netmonitor, version 1.2.15: http://i.cubeupload.com/TfDJaS.jpg https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.parizene.netmonitor   05 CellID Info:, version 1.2.2: http://i.cubeupload.com/X3gsfb.jpg https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.its_here.cellidinfo   06 RF Toolbox (Cell Monitor), version 2.26: http://i.cubeupload.com/y2YfEV.jpg https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.btapps.rftoolbox   07 WiGle WiFi Wardriving (which also reports cellular towers): http://i.cubeupload.com/ZPva3O.jpg https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.wigle.wigleandroid   08. OpenSignal, version 5.10: http://i.cubeupload.com/BwfSFa.jpg https://opensignal.com/app/ https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.staircase3.opensignal etc.   On iOs, I looked for similar apps, and found this:   01 OpenSignal, version 4.0.5 (but it doesn't seem to report the nearby tower and signal strength): http://i.cubeupload.com/rmPsVg.jpg https://itunes.apple.com/app/opensignal/id598298030   The one bad thing is that all these apps only show one cellular tower, even though I know I have *two* microtowers inside my house, so, I think I need to find a better app which will show *all* the cellular towers it sees.   To that end, I ask this scientific debugging question:   Q: Which app do you use on iOS or Android to figure out all the cellular towers and signal strengths of the cellular signal (CDMA or GSM) in your area?   Q: Does that app show you *all* the towers that your phone can see (or does it only show the one tower that your phone is connected to)?

"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Feb 16 04:05AM -0800 The Troll is back!   Please don't feed the troll!

Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com>: Feb 16 03:36PM > area?   > Q: Does that app show you *all* the towers that your phone can see > (or does it only show the one tower that your phone is connected to)?   [...]   > area?   > Q: Does that app show you *all* the towers that your phone can see > (or does it only show the one tower that your phone is connected to)?   I use OpenSignal on my Android, in the UK. It currently shows '100 nearby' cell towers on the first page (where your screenshot shows '0 nearby') and they are shown as points on the map within a mile or two of where I am (in a large busy city). But I'm pretty sure that comes from the OpenSignal server not from the phone's own hardware. Likewise the information it claims to have about nearby WiFi hot spots. The phone and Google work out where you are and OpenSignal send you the data they have for that area.   So if OpenSignal have few users in your area they'll have little or nothing to tell you about.   Your phone will be able to tell OpenSignal about the cell tower it is currently connected to, and OpenSignal can add that to their database. If the operator of that cell tower has made its location public, OpenSignal will even be able to place it accurately on the map - otherwise they'll have to estimate its position from the signal information their users provide.   I don't know the other apps you mention.   -- -- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~

"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com>: Feb 16 10:01PM +0800 On 16/02/2017 5:38 AM, K Wills (Shill #3) wrote:   > Where within the Bible can this quote be found? > I'm going to go out on a limb and declare it's something you made > up.   Not an exact quote. Just google "turn stone to bread". ;)     -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_pubsvc/page_socsecu/sub_addressesa

"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com>: Feb 16 10:09PM +0800 > I see we have yet another rat in the woodpile.   If electronic devices couldn't be repaired, then they had to be recycled, so as not to poison your air, soil, seas, rivers and underground water.   -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_pubsvc/page_socsecu/sub_addressesa

"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Feb 16 07:30AM -0800 On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 9:09:49 AM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:   > If electronic devices couldn't be repaired, then they had to be > recycled, so as not to poison your air, soil, seas, rivers and > underground water.     I think you need to acquaint yourself with the term "elsewhere pollution". When the US EPA started regulating dumping, air quality and water quality, and when individual states began to realize that they also had to control such activities within their borders, Industry reared up on its hind legs like a threatened virgin, and whined about the costs involved and how many jobs would be lost as a result.   And, it is true that some of the most polluting industries did reduce in scope and volume, with primary reference to primary commodity or commodity-based uses - coal, steel, mining in general and similar. But as a brief visit to West Virginia will show, the worst of it continues to this day without let-up - although low natural gas prices are reducing the volume.   BUT - and as it really happens: Most of the jobs actually lost are due to automation, increased efficiency and better technique. One example: Lukens Steel - now AcelorMittal - operates the longest continuously operating steel mill in the US (206 years of continuous operation). It has produced roughly the same amount of plate annually for about the last 40+ years, but gone from approximately 3,000 workers to less than 800 in that time. Automation and efficiency. It has gone from burning coal to one (1) electric arc furnace. Cleaner.   And that is only one (1) example.   One more tiny example: Glassphalt - a glass based asphalt that can use glass that would be otherwise difficult to recycle in sufficient volumes to be efficient. It is still in use, depending on local economics, stone costs and applications. Point being, that if the US had to handle its electronic waste in a non-polluting way, it would figure it out - and some prices would rise as a result. However, it need not do so as the economics around that waste create sufficient demand *elsewhere* to cover the costs of getting it there.   We are sending our pollution to the Far East, Africa and other locations both in primary production and waste. But it is not as if those destinations are not asking for it, they are actually demanding it. A country that burns lignite as a primary power source, and dumps chemical wastes in its rivers without any sort of regulation, and dislocates tens of thousands of its people for petty, short-term eyewash purposes will not be concerned with a little more cyanide or a little more tricholoethane in its soil or water, for now anyway.   And that is the way of the world. Nobody does anything *TO* a country economically, short of a shooting war, that the country does not invite or demand. And China is certainly no exception to this. Start at home and ask what home-grown forces are doing before whining about what the rest of the world is doing 'to you'.   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

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Stijn De Jong <stijndekoning@nlnet.nl>: Feb 16 03:32AM On Tue, 14 Feb 2017 21:52:57 -0800, isw wrote:   > will contain very precise location and time info (GPS time, that is).   > If you're interested, google on "NMEA 0183" to get a list of the things > it can tell you.   NMEA 0183 is a combined electrical and data specification for communication between marine electronics such as echo sounder, sonars, anemometer, gyrocompass, autopilot, GPS receivers and many other types of instruments. It has been defined by, and is controlled by, the National Marine Electronics Association.   Can I somehow plug that NMEA-compliant cable into my phone? Or into my laptop? Or a desktop? https://www.fugawi.com/knowledge_base/document/HD25110   The wiring looks like it can maybe go to a DB9 but do laptops even have DB9s nowadays? https://www.fugawi.com/knowledge_base/document/HD25700

isw <isw@witzend.com>: Feb 15 08:43PM -0800 In article <o836gm$kn3$1@gioia.aioe.org>, > gyrocompass, autopilot, GPS receivers and many other types of instruments. > It has been defined by, and is controlled by, the National Marine > Electronics Association.   Yes, it is. And if you look someplace like here:   http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/nmea.htm   you can find a list of the "sentences" taht a GPS unit outputs/     > The wiring looks like it can maybe go to a DB9 but do laptops even have > DB9s nowadays? > https://www.fugawi.com/knowledge_base/document/HD25700   You may have to go right to the GPS subunit to get the data, but you can use any of several makes of serial-USB adapters, and any sort of TTY emulator your OS supports. FWIW, I have found ones using CP-2102 and Ft232 chips to be reliable, and ones with the PL2303 to be not so good.   Take care to get the polarity and voltages correct; most of the adapters (but not all) use "TTL-level RS-232", where the logic one and zero levels are inverted from "normal" RS-232. I have no idea what sort of signal levels that particular device emits.   The GPS unit will output ASCII "sentences" which are plain text.   Isaac

Adam <adamg@pobox.comNOSPAM>: Feb 16 12:32AM > another way to read it other than the 201 :) > Thanks in advance > Frank   If all else fails, you might try contacting this guy:   http://matthieu.benoit.free.fr/DATAIO_201_programmer_resources.htm   -- Adam

John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Feb 15 05:14PM -0800 On 2017/02/13 10:21 AM, frank wrote: > another way to read it other than the 201 :) > Thanks in advance > Frank   Check out the Yahoo DATA I/O mail list. There is a lot of support for all their products.   https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Data_IO_EPROM   John :-#)#   -- (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup) John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

"K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com>: Feb 15 03:38PM -0600 On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 22:15:57 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang" >> dildos, one for every occasion.   >To quote the Bible:   >Could American magicians turn all e-waste into bread? :)   Where within the Bible can this quote be found? I'm going to go out on a limb and declare it's something you made up.   -- Shill #3. Strategic Writer, Psychotronic World Dominator and FEMA camp counselor. https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3618/5747904676_1e202191d3_b.jpg All hail the taco! http://www.taconati.org/

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>: Feb 15 12:51PM -0500 Ralph Mowery wrote: > Just takes more heat to melt the newer stuff. I don't use the lead > free on anything. No work for pay, as I am just doing electronic > work for myself.   I bought three, one pound spools of Kester .031" 63/37 at a local flea market last fall. I paid $10 for all three of them.   I also won a pair of half pound spools of Ersin Multicore on Ebay for $15. They are .015", 63/37. Just keep your eyes open.   -- Never piss off an Engineer!   They don't get mad.   They don't get even.   They go for over unity! ;-)

Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>: Feb 15 03:43PM -0500

"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Feb 15 12:44PM -0800 On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 12:51:12 PM UTC-5, Michael Terrell wrote:   > I bought three, one pound spools of Kester .031" 63/37 at a local > flea market last fall. I paid $10 for all three of them.   That is about the way of it. I have one 63/37 at the bench, one in the travel kit and one spare.   After all this time, I will not use anything but true eutectic solder. I even keep a small amount of CU/AG/SN eutectic lead-free solder for very special applications such as repairing jewelry. Not cheap, but does the trick.   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>: Feb 15 02:15PM -0500 Martim Ribeiro wrote: > Samsung "thing" is the only hardware they say that Comcast gave them.   > I don't know cable (I'm on WISP) but I think they need some type of "TV > box", is that right?     Cable TV uses QAM encoding, and it has to be converted to feed the ATSC signal that is broadcast to homes.         -- Never piss off an Engineer!   They don't get mad.   They don't get even.   They go for over unity! ;-)

"Danny D." <dannydiamico@example.com>: Feb 15 06:08PM Here is how I just now figured out how to construct a non-redundant Google Groups URL to a Usenet post from years ago. If you have a better method, please share, as I post this merely to share to help others use Usenet as a reference.   I just did this today for the alt-home-repair newsgroup, so all I'm doing is documenting the steps for others to be able to leverage in the future.   1. I needed to look up an old URL on how to wind garage door torsion springs so that I could cut and paste a short Google URL as a reference.   2. I knew the original thread was posted to alt.home.repair by me on Usenet years ago, so I searched using this easily remembered URL. http://tinyurl.com/alt-home-repair   3. That easily remembered URL, of course, takes you to the canonical GG search URL which is the one to use (but it's harder to remember): https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.home.repair   4. My search was "Danny garage torsion" which came up with four thread titles: a. Lessons learned installing a torsion spring in a typical residential garage b. Update to the "lessons learned" garage door torsion spring DIY thread (new lessons learned) c. Garage door torsion spring relocation project (Status = Not going well) d. Garage door torsion spring broken ... and ... I have no questions! :)   5. The initial URLs are messy because they include redundant terms: a. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.home.repair/738YR8CPsLI/BRHYK3X71BAJ;context-place=forum/alt.home.repair b. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.home.repair/AGrGZc4i-RA/8Ff3HsrmASEJ;context-place=forum/alt.home.repair c. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.home.repair/ifuMBLOoGXY/Hk0mfwDsQooJ;context-place=forum/alt.home.repair d. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.home.repair/s0zBJNaT89Q/I0TP541gGk4J;context-place=forum/alt.home.repair   6. Notice the unique ultimate characters: a. LASTID=BRHYK3X71BAJ b. LASTID=8Ff3HsrmASEJ c. LASTID=Hk0mfwDsQooJ d. LASTID=I0TP541gGk4J   7. Now you need a normal short URL, where a "normal" URL can be gotten simply by looking up the *latest* page and choosing any URL found on that latest page as of the current date. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.home.repair   The first URL (at the moment) uses this non-redundant syntax: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/i9nfxKFjZE0   8. You'd think you can just cut the *last* argument out, to reconstruct the desired non-redundant Google URLs (but you can't). So these won't work:   https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/<cut this out> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/<insert LASTID>   a. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/BRHYK3X71BAJ b. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/8Ff3HsrmASEJ c. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/Hk0mfwDsQooJ d. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/I0TP541gGk4J   But that doesn't work.   9. What you can do though, is cut TWO ID sections out: a. LAST2IDs=738YR8CPsLI/BRHYK3X71BAJ b. LAST2IDs=AGrGZc4i-RA/8Ff3HsrmASEJ c. LAST2IDs=ifuMBLOoGXY/Hk0mfwDsQooJ d. LAST2IDs=s0zBJNaT89Q/I0TP541gGk4J   10. Using those two sections, you reconstruct a Google URL:   https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/ + <LAST2IDs> a. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/738YR8CPsLI/BRHYK3X71BAJ b. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/AGrGZc4i-RA/8Ff3HsrmASEJ c. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/ifuMBLOoGXY/Hk0mfwDsQooJ d. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/s0zBJNaT89Q/I0TP541gGk4J   11. When you go to those four URLs, you get *new* Google URLs for each: a. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/738YR8CPsLI b. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/AGrGZc4i-RA c. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/ifuMBLOoGXY d. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/s0zBJNaT89Q   12. So, one way to reconstruct a non-redundant Google Groups URL is to put these three syntactical items together: A. The base URL (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/) B. The newsgroup (alt.home.repair) C. The penultimate ID   https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ + alt.home.repair/ + PENULTIMATEID

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