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kgmoates@gmail.com: Aug 11 09:11AM -0700 On Monday, March 24, 2014 at 10:34:35 AM UTC-4, KenO wrote:   > Can send photos if any interest.   > Thanks   > Ken   The listed link is a ransom-ware TRAP

John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Aug 10 02:48PM -0700 > KillDozer.   > Peter Wieck > Melrose Park, PA   That was movie, this was a short Sci-Fi story whose name & Author I can't recall. I now think that it was from the 40s.   I recall hearing about KillDozer but never saw the movie...   John :-#)#

"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Aug 11 04:09AM -0700 On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 5:48:24 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:   > can't recall. I now think that it was from the 40s.   > I recall hearing about KillDozer but never saw the movie...   > John :-#)#   Theodore Sturgeon. Short Story, same name, and the basis of the movie.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killdozer!_(short_story)   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>: Aug 11 08:19AM -0700 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killdozer!_(short_story)   > Peter Wieck > Melrose Park, PA   Nope, not that story.   This had toasters, cars, buses all becoming 'aware' and deciding to destroy the enemy (humans). Perhaps KillDozer was based on the original story. It (the original short story) is buried in my books that are still boxed up when I moved houses five years ago. Possibly written by a one-time author.   There are never enough bookshelves!   John :-#(# -- (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup) John's Jukes Ltd. MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Aug 11 08:58AM -0700 On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 11:19:22 AM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:     > Nope, not that story.   hmmmm... that might be "Skirmish" by Clifford Simak.   http://prosperosisle.org/spip.php?article259

Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Aug 10 01:14PM -0400 In article <d2vooc5d4lth7elu6kiavcpeig5g11lmt4@4ax.com>, jeffl@cruzio.com says... > <http://www.archersecuritygroup.com/tell-real-apple-charger-fake-life-may-depend/>   > The real chargers: > <https://www.apple.com/power-adapters/>   It looks like Apple used a lot of engineering just to charge a battery. From the writeup, the Apple charger does not seem to rate much if any better than many of the fakes.

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>: Aug 10 01:50PM -0400 Ralph Mowery wrote on 8/10/2017 1:14 PM:   > It looks like Apple used a lot of engineering just to charge a battery. > From the writeup, the Apple charger does not seem to rate much if any > better than many of the fakes.   Ya know, battery charging is not rocket science.   --   Rick C

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Aug 10 11:15AM -0700 On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 13:14:07 -0400, Ralph Mowery   >It looks like Apple used a lot of engineering just to charge a battery. >From the writeup, the Apple charger does not seem to rate much if any >better than many of the fakes.   Whether an Apple charger represents a quality device is not the issue or the problem. It's whether the chargers in question are safe to operate and meet the various safety specifications. Much of the extra circuitry in an Apple charger is required to comply with power factor correction (on the larger chargers), power line isolation, overload protection, efficiency requirements, operating temperature range, EMI/RFI, electromagnetic compatibility, etc. Every single logo on the (larger) serial number labels represent an expensive certification test.   Anyone can easily design a usable charger by simply copying the recommended circuit on the data sheet. Making one that's safe, rugged, customer proof, and passes the necessary tests, is another story.   In my never humble opinion, Apple chargers are designed to survive about 5-7 years under normal use, after which they mechanically fall apart. There are no concessions to reparability or long life. At best, they are nice looking, overpriced, throw-away products. However, I'm fairly sure that a genuine Apple charger is unlikely to electrocute me or set my house on fire, which is something I cannot say about the counterfeits.   -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

John-Del <ohger1s@gmail.com>: Aug 10 12:15PM -0700 On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 1:08:32 PM UTC-4, Samuel M. Goldwasser wrote:   > http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/audiofaq.htm#audipcrhg   > Comments welcome.   None except nice to see you posting and hope all is well Sam.

sam@repairfaq.org (Samuel M. Goldwasser): Aug 10 03:58PM -0400 > and model number.   > You might want to get a scale, record the weights, and add them to > your chart.   There's mention on at least one Web site (and in the writeup) about the fakers adding iron blocks to make up the weight.   X-rays will tell. ;-)   -- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Sites: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_mirror.html   Important: Anything sent to the email address in the message header above is ignored unless my full name AND either lasers or electronics is included in the subject line. Or, you can contact me via the Feedback Form in the FAQs.

sam@repairfaq.org (Samuel M. Goldwasser): Aug 10 04:01PM -0400 >> From the writeup, the Apple charger does not seem to rate much if any >> better than many of the fakes.   > Ya know, battery charging is not rocket science.   Technically, these aren't even battery chargers. They are constant voltage DC power supplies, period. Or should be if designed properly. The charge controller is in the device (or battery).   -- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Sites: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_mirror.html   Important: Anything sent to the email address in the message header above is ignored unless my full name AND either lasers or electronics is included in the subject line. Or, you can contact me via the Feedback Form in the FAQs.

Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Aug 10 04:02PM -0400 In article <1s7pochq7jqk9v1kt0ui09b23eg4nl5hi4@4ax.com>, jeffl@cruzio.com says... > I'm fairly sure that a genuine Apple charger is unlikely to > electrocute me or set my house on fire, which is something I cannot > say about the counterfeits.   I agree with you , but even brand names have their problems. The Samsung is a well known brand and their cell phones would burn up.   Other well known brands have had their problems.

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>: Aug 10 04:39PM -0400 Ralph Mowery wrote on 8/10/2017 4:02 PM:   > I agree with you , but even brand names have their problems. The > Samsung is a well known brand and their cell phones would burn up.   > Other well known brands have had their problems.   A *lot* less often and when they do have problems they own up to it and recall them. You won't see any of the cheap models recalling products.   --   Rick C

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Aug 10 07:45PM -0700 On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 15:58:48 -0400, sam@repairfaq.org (Samuel M. Goldwasser) wrote:   >There's mention on at least one Web site (and in the writeup) about the >fakers adding iron blocks to make up the weight.   I haven't seen iron blocks, but have seen sand inside one 18650 cell. The owner didn't want me to take it apart for some reason, but I could feel and hear the sand when I shook the cell. However, they added too much sand and instead of the usual 44-49 gram weight (for unprotected cells), it weighed about 60 grams. My guess(tm) is that they thought buyers would think they were getting more for their money if it were heavier. I just weighed a few known fake 18650 cells (Trustfire, GTL, Ultrafire, SkyWolfEye, etc). Most weighed 33-35 grams. One older Ultrafire "BCR-18650" weighed 47 grams. My guess is that it dates from the days when Ultrafire was a legitimate brand name.   >X-rays will tell. ;-)   Yes, unless the bad guys add a sheet of lead foil inside the power supply as "shielding".   More...   USB power supplies and chargers: <http://www.lygte-info.dk/info/indexUSB%20UK.html>   Index of tested USB power supplies/chargers: <http://lygte-info.dk/info/ChargerIndex%20UK.html> (Note the column in the chart on safety).   Test results on various supplies/chargers: <http://www.lygte-info.dk/info/usbPowerSupplyTest%20UK.html>   How does a USB charger work: <http://lygte-info.dk/info/SMPS%20workings%20UK.html>   -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Aug 10 08:29PM -0700 On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 16:02:08 -0400, Ralph Mowery >> say about the counterfeits.   >I agree with you , but even brand names have their problems. The >Samsung is a well known brand and their cell phones would burn up.   My current smartphone is a Samsung S6. I guess I should buy a pocket fire extinguisher in case my phone catches fire. <https://www.google.com/search?q=pocket+fire+extinguisher&tbm=isch> Soon, everyone will be carrying pocket fire extinguishers.   Most manufacturers of laptops, smartphones, and cell phones have had problems with older LiPo batteries. These would bulge, which is normal during a fast charge cycle, which was most irritating, but allegedly not considered hazardous. A few phones did catch fire, which attracted media attention. However, what finally got their attention was the large number of YouTube videos showing what happens when someone pounds a nail into a LiPo battery pack. The result was the general addition of a BMS (battery management system) designed to protect the battery pack against over charge (above 4.2V), excessive discharge current, and discharge below about 2.8V. That was sufficient to reduce the number of spontaneous fires.   However, that didn't stop the problems at the manufacturing end. Sony had a huge recall of laptop battery packs for leaving scrap metal inside the cell which could eventually puncture the insulating separator and start a fire. Samsung had a similar problem with two generations of batteries in the S7. <http://www.techradar.com/news/samsung-galaxy-note-7-battery-fires-heres-why-they-exploded>   Ok, so much for batteries. However, we're talking about power supplies, not batteries. We're also talking about a fairly small number of smartphone batteries that caught fire. I'm too lazy to calculate the odds, but I suspect you're safer carrying a Samsung S7 than you are trying to talk on your phone while charging it with counterfeit Apple power supply charger. For a smoking battery, the risks are statistical. For a counterfeit charger with insufficient AC line isolation, their situational.   >Other well known brands have had their problems.   The Sony laptop battery recall affected almost every major laptop manufacturer and a huge number of laptop batteries in 2006: <https://www.engadget.com/2006/10/19/sony-battery-recall-approaches-10-million-costs-mounting/> When Sony laptops switched to Panasonic batteries, it happened again in 2013: <https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/sony-vaio-batteries-recalled>   Apple had problems with some of their power supplies: <https://www.apple.com/support/usbadapter-european/> <https://www.apple.com/support/usbadapter/exchangeprogram/> <https://www.apple.com/support/ac-wallplug-adapter/> <https://www.apple.com/support/usbadapter-takeback/> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204551> Seen any recalls of counterfeit power supplies and chargers?           -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

knobbler1@gmail.com: Aug 10 10:56AM -0700 Hi everyone, I'm new here and I'm wondering if anyone has a copy of the operating and or the service manual for this signal generator at all? I just picked this up on Ebay and in its day it was a top end piece of kit selling 35 years ago for £750 . Sadly though it needs a little TLC as the FM part of it seems to be working just fine but the AM, works when it feels like it.   It has a nice little LED display for the range and frequency read out in Mhz but most of the time when AM is selected it displays all zeros, with the occasional burst of life.   So can anyone tell me where I can obtain copies of these manuals at all? The manufacturers no longer have any records etc on these as they stopped production years ago and now produce special climatic testing cabinets.   Thanks   Graham

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Aug 10 11:21AM -0700 On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:56:26 -0700 (PDT), knobbler1@gmail.com wrote: (...)   No manual, but this might help. <https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/brand-name-i-never-heard-of-before/>   -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Aug 10 07:58PM +0100 > So can anyone tell me where I can obtain copies of these manuals at all? The manufacturers no longer have any records etc on these as they stopped production years ago and now produce special climatic testing cabinets.   > Thanks   > Graham   Sharetree is a new name to me, decades of UK test kit involvement. "Style" looks rather kit-form. Reminds me of the South African brand Sabtronics around in the UK then , in the same sort of general purpose case and simple typography and exposed bulkhead connectors

tabbypurr@gmail.com: Aug 10 03:49PM -0700 > So can anyone tell me where I can obtain copies of these manuals at all? The manufacturers no longer have any records etc on these as they stopped production years ago and now produce special climatic testing cabinets.   > Thanks   > Graham   Time to start prodding it.     NT

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