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| Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com>: Jan 10 06:56AM On 10 Jan 2018 04:52:32 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote: > Apple does shakes the very foundation of your belief system. You're a > sad old fart whose only "joy" in life is disrupting otherwise peaceful > newsgroups. Pathetic old man. You misunderstand me, but it's because we don't share the same belief system. You see, I have Apple products, which I buy all the time, just as I have Android (and Windows & Linux & other products, such as WISP radios that Jeff Liebermann knows we need here in the mountains). The difference between you and me, besides our vast education gap, is that you have a belief system which is vulnerable to facts, while my belief system simply gets stronger with facts. That's why you hate me so much, but why I love you. |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 10 07:25AM >> sad old fart whose only "joy" in life is disrupting otherwise peaceful >> newsgroups. Pathetic old man. > You misunderstand Nah. You just suck ass as a human being. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 10 04:06AM -0800 On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 2:25:28 AM UTC-5, Jolly Roger wrote: > > You misunderstand > Nah. You just suck ass as a human being. So, why are you engaging, and feeding the troll? |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 10 08:53AM -0500 > It had nothing to do with avoiding the warranty. Period. How can you make that assertion? -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 10 09:01AM -0500 nospam wrote on 1/7/2018 1:42 PM: >> because the unit shuts down would be considered to be "truly defective". > if *you* were the product manager, what would *you* do, given that > batteries age and there's no getting around that? Everything wears out. If I sold autos and gave a 3 year, 36,000 mile warranty and had customers who's cars used a quart or two of oil between changes during the warranty period, would you think it reasonable that I said, "engines wear, oil burns, no warranty claim" and then secretly updated firmware in all my customer's engines, that prevented the oil leak/burn but prevented the engine from running at full capacity? No one would tolerate this from any manufacturer. Harry may be a bit of a odd ball, but he is right that you are blowing smoke about this. The fact that batteries wear does not mean a phone can't be designed that won't have it's performance limited by the battery during the warranty period. Get over it and quit saying "batteries age" like it is a holy mantra. Yeah, they age and the product should be designed with that in mind so the product still works 100% during the warranty period. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 10 09:04AM -0500 Chris wrote on 1/8/2018 1:35 PM: > how soon that happens. > I can't imagine you're suggesting that all worn out batteries be replaced > for free, so where would *you* draw the line? That's an easy one... when they wear out in the warranty period, replace them as defective. But it may go beyond that since this is clearly a design flaw. In that case there may be additional compensation since the replacement battery will also likely become defective in the same way. Given the typical usage pattern of phones, in warranty battery replacement would be adequate compensation I suppose. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| joe <none@domain.invalid>: Jan 10 08:06AM -0600 On 01/10/2018 07:53 AM, rickman wrote: > BK@Onramp.net wrote on 1/7/2018 2:01 PM: >> It had nothing to do with avoiding the warranty. Period. > How can you make that assertion? Worn out batteries may not be covered by the warranty. |
| Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Jan 10 08:06AM -0600 On 1/10/18 8:01 AM, rickman wrote: > If I sold autos Damn,you're an ignorant cunt. -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 10 09:09AM -0500 Brian Gregory wrote on 1/8/2018 8:11 PM: >> warning: >> <https://stackoverflow.com/q/11883404/6540130> > Well yes of course the CPU gets throttled to prevent overheating. Why would the CPU overheat? Most computers are designed with adequate cooling capacity. Overheating in a phone would be very bad. High temperatures in a phone heat the Lithium battery which can in extreme cases catch fire. > Apple is throttling because the batteries seem to age in a way that makes > them incapable of powering the device properly at full speed and the device > then crashes and unexpectedly reboots or locks up. I couldn't have said it better myself. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 10 09:44AM -0500 joe wrote on 1/10/2018 9:06 AM: >>> It had nothing to do with avoiding the warranty. Period. >> How can you make that assertion? > Worn out batteries may not be covered by the warranty. "May not"? Why wouldn't a battery be covered under warranty? It isn't specifically excluded. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 10 09:44AM -0500 Fox's Mercantile wrote on 1/10/2018 9:06 AM: > On 1/10/18 8:01 AM, rickman wrote: >> If I sold autos > Damn,you're an ignorant cunt. It's hard to reason with that sort of argument. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 10 06:47AM -0800 If the battery in your vehicle wore out in that first 36,000 miles, it would not be covered under the warranty. No more so than the tires, wiper blades, brake pads, engine oil, oil filter, air filter, nor any other wearing part, fluid or filter. We are not discussing the phone, hardware or software. We are discussing the functional equivalent of a wearing part, fluid or filter. NOTE: Some tires, brake pads, batteries and such carry *SEPARATE* warranties. And there is where you would go if applicable. No warranty, no issue. You have just partnered with Jimmy Neutron and achieved the office of Chief Operating Troll, with Neutron being the Chief Executive Troll. Enjoy~!~ Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
| joe <none@domain.invalid>: Jan 10 08:51AM -0600 On 01/10/2018 08:44 AM, rickman wrote: >> Worn out batteries may not be covered by the warranty. > "May not"? Why wouldn't a battery be covered under warranty? It isn't > specifically excluded. I said "may" as warranties vary by country. In the US: "This Warranty does not apply: (a) to consumable parts, such as batteries..." Go read the warranty for your location. |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 10 10:02AM -0500 In article <p356hh$eo5$2@dont-email.me>, rickman > > for free, so where would *you* draw the line? > That's an easy one... when they wear out in the warranty period, replace > them as defective. they didn't wear out. the batteries work perfectly fine in normal everyday use. only the absolute maximum was limited, and only slightly. > But it may go beyond that since this is clearly a design > flaw. it's not a design flaw and affects all devices that use batteries. it's a limitation of today's battery technology. it's also not just apple. here's one example of many: <https://www.engadget.com/2017/04/21/lawsuit-takes-aim-at-google-huawei- over-nexus-6p-battery-issues/> A federal class action complaint has been filed accusing Google and Huawei of fraud, breaching warranty and improperly handling customer complaints after a number of Nexus 6P smartphones unexpectedly shut down and became trapped in "boot loop" cycles. ... The Nexus 6P hit the market in late 2015. It's a $500 smartphone with a 5.7 inch screen that was, overall, a welcome improvement over the previous year's Nexus 6. As long as it didn't suddenly shut off with full battery, that is. ... The Nexus 6P joins a handful of other past-gen Android phones embroiled in lawsuits over dysfunctional devices, including LG's G4, V10, G5, V20 and even the Nexus 5X. |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 10 10:02AM -0500 joe wrote on 1/10/2018 9:51 AM: > I said "may" as warranties vary by country. In the US: "This Warranty does > not apply: (a) to consumable parts, such as batteries..." > Go read the warranty for your location. I don't own an Apple Phone -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 10 10:02AM -0500 In article <p358rn$sh3$1@dont-email.me>, rickman > > Worn out batteries may not be covered by the warranty. > "May not"? Why wouldn't a battery be covered under warranty? It isn't > specifically excluded. batteries are excluded because they are a consumable part. only if it's defective is it covered under warranty. normal wear and tear is *not* covered. if the battery fails a diagnostic test (or any other component) it will be replaced under warranty. if it passes, then there's no reason to replace it. |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 10 10:04AM -0500 > If the battery in your vehicle wore out in that first 36,000 miles, it would not be covered under the warranty. No more so than the tires, wiper blades, brake pads, engine oil, oil filter, air filter, nor any other wearing part, fluid or filter. We are not discussing the phone, hardware or software. We are discussing the functional equivalent of a wearing part, fluid or filter. > NOTE: Some tires, brake pads, batteries and such carry *SEPARATE* warranties. And there is where you would go if applicable. No warranty, no issue. So, every car comes with a battery warranty. If it fails to start your car within the warranty period you get a replacement. Why are you arguing this? -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 10 10:02AM -0500 In article <p356r7$i6p$1@dont-email.me>, rickman > >> <https://stackoverflow.com/q/11883404/6540130> > > Well yes of course the CPU gets throttled to prevent overheating. > Why would the CPU overheat? because the user is doing something cpu intensive for an extended period of time causing the cpu to get hot. > Most computers are designed with adequate > cooling capacity. they are, for normal everyday use. push it hard, such as playing a graphics intensive game, and it will get warm, possibly very warm. there are no fans in a mobile phone. there is no room for a large heatsink on the processor. if it gets too warm, it has to throttle. > Overheating in a phone would be very bad. High > temperatures in a phone heat the Lithium battery which can in extreme cases > catch fire. yep, which is why it has to be throttled. |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 10 10:11AM -0500 In article <p359ul$sh3$4@dont-email.me>, rickman > > not apply: (a) to consumable parts, such as batteries..." > > Go read the warranty for your location. > I don't own an Apple Phone you don't need to own one to read the warranty information. here's what motorola has to say: <https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/euf/assets/downloads/AUS-On e_Year_Warranty.pdf> MOBILE PHONES & TABLETS (³Product²) ... This Warranty Does Not Apply to: (a) Consumable parts, such as batteries or protective coatings designed to diminish over time unless failure has occurred due to a defect in materials or workmanship. As with all batteries, the maximum capacity of the battery will decrease with time and use; this is not a defect. Only defective batteries and batteries that leak are covered by this warranty. note the key sentence: As with all batteries, the maximum capacity of the battery will decrease with time and use; this is not a defect. |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 10 10:13AM -0500 nospam wrote on 1/10/2018 10:02 AM: > if the battery fails a diagnostic test (or any other component) it will > be replaced under warranty. if it passes, then there's no reason to > replace it. Did you read this in the Apple warranty? I'd like to see a copy. The only test I really care about is running the phone the way it did when new. If it doesn't do that the diagnostic test is pointless. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 10 10:14AM -0500 nospam wrote on 1/10/2018 10:11 AM: > note the key sentence: > As with all batteries, the maximum capacity of the battery will > decrease with time and use; this is not a defect. Note the key sentence: "unless failure has occurred due to a defect in materials or workmanship." I think that is what Apple has said is happening to their batteries. Aren't they fixing this problem in newer phones with better batteries. If the old batteries aren't bad, why would they need to fix them? -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 10 10:18AM -0500 nospam wrote on 1/10/2018 10:02 AM: > they didn't wear out. > the batteries work perfectly fine in normal everyday use. > only the absolute maximum was limited, and only slightly. So they don't work "fine". My understanding is if Apple didn't install software to throttle the CPU the battery would cause the phone to shutdown. That's not working "perfectly fine". > The Nexus 6P joins a handful of other past-gen Android phones > embroiled in lawsuits over dysfunctional devices, including LG's G4, > V10, G5, V20 and even the Nexus 5X. You clearly don't understand the technology. If Apple had known of the problem when they designed the phone they would have used a larger battery with a higher maximum current. Then as it wore it would still power the phone at 100% capacity past the end of the warranty period. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 10 10:22AM -0500 nospam wrote on 1/10/2018 10:02 AM: >> Why would the CPU overheat? > because the user is doing something cpu intensive for an extended > period of time causing the cpu to get hot. You completely ignore the issue. CPUs overheating mean the CPU cooling is not designed appropriately. Just like the cooling in a car. If I drive and my car overheats the problem is the car wasn't designed correctly or is broken. Cooling systems should be designed to cool the thing they are cooling. >> cooling capacity. > they are, for normal everyday use. push it hard, such as playing a > graphics intensive game, and it will get warm, possibly very warm. What? You aren't supposed to play games on a computer? LOL > there are no fans in a mobile phone. there is no room for a large > heatsink on the processor. They also don't run the same sort of programs as PCs. But they are computers and need to be designed to keep cool when being used and not to burst into flames because someone played a game too long. > if it gets too warm, it has to throttle. Or it can be designed with adequate passive cooling. >> temperatures in a phone heat the Lithium battery which can in extreme cases >> catch fire. > yep, which is why it has to be throttled. Or better, cooled. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 10 10:10AM -0500 > https://www.thoughtco.com/does-glass-block-uv-light-608316 > $300 sunglasses? Where would you get that idea? Perhaps $180 for graduated bifocal, high-index tinted lenses that are also scratch-resistant. Optically 'flat' lenses would be under $50. When one is -4, high-index is an issue.. And optically flat lenses would be very nearly useless. > As stated, one gets only one set of eyes. Do you wear sunglasses every time you go out into the sun? Do you put on sun screen every time you go out into the sun? You only get one skin! -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>: Jan 10 07:55AM -0500 Superficially the Toshiba TK9J90E looks like it might make a good substitute for the possibly-out-of-production, expensive 2SK1358/NTE2377. Any objections? <https://www.promelec.ru/pdf/2sk1358.pdf> <http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/408/TK9J90E_datasheet_en_20140228-1150702.pdf> |
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