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oldschool@tubes.com: Jan 17 03:39PM -0600 On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:59:41 -0800, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch   >Does it not have USB ports? Disregarding the utter ridiculousness of >still using Windows 98 in 2018, it supports USB just fine (since Windows >95 OSR 2.1, around 1997 - 21 years ago nearly).   When the government makes it mandatory to upgrade to the latest version of Windows, I'll be the first person to throw my computer in the garbage. I use both Win98 and XP. I wont touch anything newer.   I recently had the misfortune of someone handing me a computer with Windows 8. They asked me to do someting with it. As soon as I saw that butt ugly Metro screen, I closed the lid and told them to toss it in the nearest garbage can.   Just for the record, Win 95 and 98 did not have good USB support. That was just the one drawback of Win 9.x. Otherwise it was far superior to anything made by MS since. Win98SE works better for me than any other OS I have ever used. But XP is tolerable too, just lacks in some ways.   One other thing, I still use DOS, a USB mouse or keyboard wont work on Dos.

jurb6006@gmail.com: Jan 17 02:04PM -0800 >"One other thing, I still use DOS, a USB mouse or keyboard wont work on Dos. "   LMGTFY "usb support for DOS"   https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=bcVfWpT3HI2AtgXB8Lf4BQ&q=usb+support+for+dos&oq=usb+support+for+dos&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0j0i22i30k1l6.2547.15840.0.17090.20.16.0.3.3.0.200.2483.0j14j1.15.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..2.18.2537.0..35i39k1j0i131k1j0i131i20i264k1j0i20i264k1j0i10k1.0.nU3IRUVc5rs   I agree about 98SE. Lost alot going to XP but 98SE would no longrer connect and the phone support would not walk me through a manual setup for the router/switch/MODEM. I said "What, did my money expire ?".   But one thing I miss is being able to confine a file search. I have this music library and to search that I had saved a search named "*.*" but within the music directory. You could put in any word from the artist or title and get results in milliseconds. Well XP won't do that and any search goes through something like five hard drives every time. Now Vista, I can't even figure out how to get the thing to search for a file.   Also, I manually did my "SendTo" menu you get on a right click. You create a shortcut and move it in there. Then you can send a file to any of your image editors, or a movie or music to any of your players, without changing the file association or going through its dialog box. I also liked the fact that the old style media player would allow multiple instances so files that I had downloaded could be compared and only the best one kept. Now, I have an old version of VLC or something that does that. Might be Irfanview not sure.   I got into the Sendto in Vista but as an administrator. I couldn't get in at all on Win 7. What do you mean access denied ? Whose PC is this anyway ?   Anyway, the government is not the one who will force your upgrade to the dumpster, it will be software manufacturers.

tabbypurr@gmail.com: Jan 17 03:37PM -0800 > Also, I manually did my "SendTo" menu you get on a right click. You create a shortcut and move it in there. Then you can send a file to any of your image editors, or a movie or music to any of your players, without changing the file association or going through its dialog box. I also liked the fact that the old style media player would allow multiple instances so files that I had downloaded could be compared and only the best one kept. Now, I have an old version of VLC or something that does that. Might be Irfanview not sure.   > I got into the Sendto in Vista but as an administrator. I couldn't get in at all on Win 7. What do you mean access denied ? Whose PC is this anyway ?   > Anyway, the government is not the one who will force your upgrade to the dumpster, it will be software manufacturers.   The easiest way to find files on any PC is to maintain a plain text list of everyfile & its location, and update that now & then. There's a windows utility called LS that creates such lists, conveniently named to cause confusion with linux.   98 usb support was mostly fixed by nusb3.1 3rd party patch.     NT

rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 17 06:45PM -0500 > I have ever used. But XP is tolerable too, just lacks in some ways.   > One other thing, I still use DOS, a USB mouse or keyboard wont work on > Dos.   I believe they made minor tweaks to 98 to create Windows ME and then discontinued that OS line. The reason was it was designed from the ground up to be insecure and unstable. It was impossible to provide the sort of protection from misbehaving applications and malware that the "real" OS line descended from NT has. I recall my copy of Windows 98 had gotten so full of poorly written drivers that it would crash about once an hour. I got my hands on a copy of of Win2k and my life was forever changed. If you are going to obsess with a version of Windows, THAT is the one.   Windows 98 is a real piece of crap and anyone who is obsessed with running it has so much to learn. But then we pretty much know that about you anyway. So no surprises there. BTW, this was typed on a Windows 8 machine that hasn't been rebooted in well over a month. Hmmm... 1 hour, 1 month... I wonder which is better?   --   Rick C   Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998

Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Jan 17 11:07PM -0500 In article <7993b88f-3489-4e63-a1d5-4b84a4020a0d@googlegroups.com>, jurb6006@gmail.com says...   > Anyway, the government is not the one who will force your upgrade to the dumpster, it will be software manufacturers.     I had to go to a Win 10 computer from XP just so I could run a tax program. Partly the same way I had to move from Win 98 a number of years ago to do the taxes.   Each upgrade of Windows causes me to have to keep another machine running. I have laptops running Dos and WFW 3.11 to run some programs, another ruunig Win 98, Win XP and Win 10. I did manage to bypass the win 7 and 8 versions. The had to buy a newer version of Office to run on a new laptop. Just glad I found someone on ebay that sells the key (or whatever) for under $ 10 for the 2016 version.   I don't care for what microsoft has to offer, other than the Office set, I don't run anything or do anything with microsoft once I get the computer up and running.

tabbypurr@gmail.com: Jan 17 09:43PM -0800 On Wednesday, 17 January 2018 23:45:13 UTC, rickman wrote: > anyway. So no surprises there. BTW, this was typed on a Windows 8 machine > that hasn't been rebooted in well over a month. Hmmm... 1 hour, 1 month... > I wonder which is better?   98 was dreadfully unstable and insecure by today's standards. But back then there wasn't anything better, it was as good as it got. Before anyone objects of course there were NT and stable non-windows OSes, but none of them had the range of apps needed to be very useful as a desktop machine.   Once you learnt 98's many foibles and got it running sufficiently, it's then near zero effort to keep running it. Hence many of us ran it when there were in some ways better OSes available. But I sure do not regret going linux, and watch people's endless win up/down/sideways-grade nightmares with bemusement. Why people are so keen to volunteer for their own misery I don't know.     NT

rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 18 01:39AM -0500 Ralph Mowery wrote on 1/17/2018 11:07 PM: > win 7 and 8 versions. The had to buy a newer version of Office to run > on a new laptop. Just glad I found someone on ebay that sells the key > (or whatever) for under $ 10 for the 2016 version.   Maybe your problem isn't the OS, maybe it's the applications you want to run. I haven't used MS Office in a decade or more. LibreOffice works great and just seems to work everywhere I want to use it.     > I don't care for what microsoft has to offer, other than the Office set, > I don't run anything or do anything with microsoft once I get the > computer up and running.   I will say I miss Visio. But then I was using that before MS bought them.   --   Rick C   Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998

tabbypurr@gmail.com: Jan 18 12:42AM -0800 > 98 was dreadfully unstable and insecure by today's standards. But back then there wasn't anything better, it was as good as it got. Before anyone objects of course there were NT and stable non-windows OSes, but none of them had the range of apps needed to be very useful as a desktop machine.   > Once you learnt 98's many foibles and got it running sufficiently, it's then near zero effort to keep running it. Hence many of us ran it when there were in some ways better OSes available. But I sure do not regret going linux, and watch people's endless win up/down/sideways-grade nightmares with bemusement. Why people are so keen to volunteer for their own misery I don't know.   > NT   Somewhere out there there's a set of windows 2 apps made to run on modern windows. They're still usable.     NT

rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 18 04:07AM -0500 >> Once you learnt 98's many foibles and got it running sufficiently, it's then near zero effort to keep running it. Hence many of us ran it when there were in some ways better OSes available. But I sure do not regret going linux, and watch people's endless win up/down/sideways-grade nightmares with bemusement. Why people are so keen to volunteer for their own misery I don't know.   >> NT   > Somewhere out there there's a set of windows 2 apps made to run on modern windows. They're still usable.   What do you mean "still" usable. When was it originally usable?   --   Rick C   Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998

tabbypurr@gmail.com: Jan 18 03:28AM -0800 On Thursday, 18 January 2018 09:07:17 UTC, rickman wrote: > > On Thursday, 18 January 2018 05:43:47 UTC, tabby wrote:   > > Somewhere out there there's a set of windows 2 apps made to run on modern windows. They're still usable.   > What do you mean "still" usable.   seriously?   > When was it originally usable?   when they were released with windows 2 or perhaps earlier. Was there a point you wished to make?

"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 18 04:30AM -0800 > when they were released with windows 2 or perhaps earlier. > Was there a point you wished to make?   Flyshit to the right. Pepper to the left.   The point is already well-made, but creative hair-styling is at play.   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com>: Jan 18 03:19AM On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 05:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Harold Newton wrote:   > You'll never hear me ever say Apple Marketing is stupid.   Apple CEO Tim Cook Says Power Management Feature in Older iPhones Will Be Able to Be Turned Off in Future Update <https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/17/tim-cook-on-iphone-battery-controversy/>   "Previously there was no clear notice that it would cause devices to operate slowly."   "Cook says Apple will also allow customers to turn off the power management feature ... first in a developer release that happens next month."   "We will tell someone we're reducing your performance ...and if you don't want [reduced performance], you can turn it off."

Harold Newton <harold@example.com>: Jan 18 06:25AM On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 03:19:56 +-0000 (UTC), Harry Newton wrote:   > "We will tell someone we're reducing your performance ...and if you > don't want [reduced performance], you can turn it off."   "Apple should be required to preserve that data and produce it to Plaintiff+IBk-s counsel," said Levitt in a statement.   "Levitt says he filed the injunction... which charges Apple deceived many of its customers into buying brand new iPhones by rolling out its iOS throttling software, causing them material financial damages."   "Apple has a policy of getting rid of batteries it pulls out of phones, and we want the diagnostics. We want to make sure everything is preserved" he said."   Notice the implication that Apple is quietly *destroying* the evidence in the class action lawsuit cases, by swapping out the defective batteries and not preserving them.   Nobody should ever say Apple Marketing is stupid! <https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2018/01/16/those-old-iphone-batteries-suing-lawyer-wants-apple-keep-them/1037770001/>

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 18 01:28AM -0500 In article <p3pejv$19lo$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Harold Newton   > Notice the implication that Apple is quietly *destroying* the evidence in > the class action lawsuit cases, by swapping out the defective batteries and > not preserving them.   they don't need the old batteries to have the diagnostic data.

"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 18 04:28AM -0800 Please do not engage with this troll. Full Stop

Harold Newton <harold@example.com>: Jan 18 03:17AM Apple CEO Tim Cook Says Power Management Feature in Older iPhones Will Be Able to Be Turned Off in Future Update <https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/17/tim-cook-on-iphone-battery-controversy/>   "Previously there was no clear notice that it would cause devices to operate slowly."   "Cook says Apple will also allow customers to turn off the power management feature ... first in a developer release that happens next month."   "We will tell someone we're reducing your performance ...and if you don't want it, you can turn it off."

rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 17 11:15PM -0500 Harry Newton wrote on 1/11/2018 2:02 PM:   > Here's what he does all the time: > rickman: Your equation of 1+1=3 is wrong; so it needs to be fixed. > nopsam: There isn't anything to fix.   I gave up reading this conversation some time back. I only read this message out of idle curiosity. The conversation ended for all practical purposes. There is no point in partaking in the meta-discussion, so I'm out. If you keep arguing with them as to who is the bigger butt head, that's on you.   --   Rick C   Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998

Harold Newton <harold@example.com>: Jan 18 06:18AM On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 03:17:21 +0000 (UTC), Harold Newton wrote:   > "We will tell someone we're reducing your performance ...and if you > don't want [reduced performance], you can turn it off."   "Apple's battery throttling techniques is activated on iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus, iPhone 6s, iPhone 6s Plus, iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus and iPhone SE as of iOS 11.2. It reduces performance by 50%."   <https://9to5mac.com/2018/01/17/turn-off-iphone-battery-performance-throttling/>

"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 17 09:22AM -0800 > I hope this helps.   It does. very much! Thank you for sharing your experience!   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

dansabrservices@yahoo.com: Jan 17 10:07AM -0800 > It does. very much! Thank you for sharing your experience!   > Peter Wieck > Melrose Park, PA   I probably should add:     The presence of an AED does not preclude good CPR being done. Everyone should know CPR. At the very least, chest compressions are beneficial even without any attempt to assist breathing. Only stop CPR at 2 times:   1) When the AED is analyzing the heart rate/rhythm   2) During the shock (when told to shock)   Keep CPR going until assistance arrives. Be ready to hand it off to another person as it very tiring. You should not try to perform CPR for more than 5-10 minutes without relief as your ability to deliver quality compressions will fail after that time.   Dan (and yes, I have done CPR on real people many times both with ultimate success and without sadly)

"pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 17 11:58AM -0800 > 2) During the shock (when told to shock)   > Keep CPR going until assistance arrives. Be ready to hand it off to another person as it very tiring. You should not try to perform CPR for more than 5-10 minutes without relief as your ability to deliver quality compressions will fail after that time.   > Dan (and yes, I have done CPR on real people many times both with ultimate success and without sadly)   My intention is to purchase a package through the Red Cross that includes CPR training, AED training and the unit itself. As always, thank you for giving me good information and means to avoid wasted motion.   Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt): Jan 17 12:16PM -0800 In article <093e47fc-e1af-4f27-9af8-ac4a37622304@googlegroups.com>,   >My intention is to purchase a package through the Red Cross that includes CPR training, AED training and the unit itself.   A good combination - get yourself and your people trained on the actual model you'll be buying, if at all possible.   One issue our instructor pointed out: some AED models will automatically activate when you open them. You don't necessarily want that, if it happens prematurely - it might delay your ability to (re)start the diagnostic cycle when you actually get the pads onto the patient.   Our instructor recommended that when we send somebody to the AED cabinet, we say "Get the AED. Don't open it, don't try to turn it on. Just bring it back here immediately."   May not be relevant to all AED models, of course.

dansabrservices@yahoo.com: Jan 17 01:06PM -0800 On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 3:17:01 PM UTC-5, Dave Platt wrote: > cabinet, we say "Get the AED. Don't open it, don't try to turn it on. > Just bring it back here immediately."   > May not be relevant to all AED models, of course.   That is news to me. Since there is no way for the machine to know when/if the pads are in place, they usually prompt the user to hit the analyze button. Unless CPR is halted during this analysis period, the machine will not react properly. The machine "looks" at the trace you usually see on TV in hospital scenes. On a standard EKG machine, this is known as lead 2. This lead is used to see the rate and rhythm of the heart beat. With a typical EKG monitor, there are 5 wires connected to the body which provide this trace as well as others. If further detailed analysis is needed, additional leads are attached (5 more totaling 10) which provide what is called a 12-lead tracing. This allows for a varied view of the electrical activity of the heart that can be read to determine whether or not there are problems (such as a heart attack).   The bottom line here is that ALL AEDs work the same way and have slight variations. Follow the audio prompts. Get familiar with the ones that are local to you if you can. But, rest assured, they will be similar enough that any of them can be used with confidence.   Dan

"malua mada!" <fritzo2ster@gmail.com>: Jan 17 10:18AM -0800 On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 9:32:05 PM UTC-8, whit3rd wrote: > power supply looks like 'dead ON/OFF switch'.   > Shorted rectifiers and burst capacitors, maybe fuses, are the first things > to hunt for. Low-current finger-sensing gizmo is probably an innocent bystander.   I agree the 5vdc is some sort of standby. But THERE IS NO BUTTON to push, the sensing gizmo is the only thing to tell the monitor anything powerwise other than (un)plugging the AC cord. And the gizmo is in sorry shape by now. LG W2361VG

Tim Schwartz <tim@bristolnj.com>: Jan 17 03:11PM -0500 On 1/17/2018 1:18 PM, malua mada! wrote: >> to hunt for. Low-current finger-sensing gizmo is probably an innocent bystander.   > I agree the 5vdc is some sort of standby. But THERE IS NO BUTTON to push, the sensing gizmo is the only thing to tell the monitor anything powerwise other than (un)plugging the AC cord. And the gizmo is in sorry shape by now. > LG W2361VG   Have you tried turning it on with the remote (if it has one)?   Regards, Tim

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