| sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>: Jan 10 01:26PM -0800 On 1/10/2018 7:18 AM, rickman wrote: > So they don't work "fine". My understanding is if Apple didn't install > software to throttle the CPU the battery would cause the phone to > shutdown. That's not working "perfectly fine". No. Whether the battery is brand new, or three years old, if it's in a low state of charge it could shut down under heavy processor demand. Here are the good choices: 1. Shut the phone down before the battery is discharged to a level that would cause an unexpected shutdown if high demand were placed on the battery. If this event occurs after an abnormally short amount of operating time, inform the user that a battery replacement is needed. 2. Reduce performance only when the battery is discharged to a level that would cause an unexpected shutdown if high demand were placed on the battery. 3. Give the user the option of a "battery-saver" mode that would reduce performance in order to increase the operating time. |
| sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>: Jan 10 01:35PM -0800 On 1/10/2018 7:22 AM, rickman wrote: <snip> > Or it can be designed with adequate passive cooling. That would needlessly reduce performance in most use. A lot of devices are now designed with thermal sensors that allow a performance level that cannot be sustained for long periods of time under certain conditions. |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 10 04:54PM -0500 In article <p360em$s0o$1@dont-email.me>, sms > No. > Whether the battery is brand new, or three years old, if it's in a low > state of charge it could shut down under heavy processor demand. state of charge is not the issue. it's aging to where it can't supply peak loads anymore, even if it's at full soc. > would cause an unexpected shutdown if high demand were placed on the > battery. If this event occurs after an abnormally short amount of > operating time, inform the user that a battery replacement is needed. that exists now. > 2. Reduce performance only when the battery is discharged to a level > that would cause an unexpected shutdown if high demand were placed on > the battery. that's what apple is doing (and some android makers even though they refuse to outright admit it). > 3. Give the user the option of a "battery-saver" mode that would reduce > performance in order to increase the operating time. that also exists now. |
| ANTant@zimage.com (Ant): Jan 10 04:17PM -0600 > for 3-5 years with no problem without replacing the battery. There's no > evidence of a widespread defect in Apple's batteries, just like there's > no evidence that the majority of them die within a year. Still using an old iPhone 4S with its original battery. I don't use it much. Its batttery life does suck badly (e.g., could shut it down within 30 minutes with Pokemon Go), but the key part is not to use it often and under control. Also, I keep its cellular, backaground apps, etc. in control. I wonder how much longer I can keep using it before replacing it or its battery (probably not worth it since its iOS is so old, slow, and unsupported). -- Quote of the Week: "All good work is done the way ants do things: Little by little." --Lafcadio Hearn Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- | |o o| | ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and URL/link. \ _ / ( ) |
| Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com>: Jan 11 03:09PM On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 15:04:40 -0600, Fox's Mercantile wrote: > +IBw-You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled > to your own facts.+IB0- Bear in mind that Fox' Mercantile is the utter moron Snit, who is again, lamely following people around the net like the little retard child he is. This is a moving graph of what Snit/Fox's Mercantile claimed was dB! <http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/10/11/wifi_sweetspots.jpg> All Fox's Mercantile/Snit saw was a moving graph for heavens' sake. Snit/Fox's Mercantile is *that* stupid! Just look at this hilarious video, where he makes an utter fool of himself, and doesn't even realize that he probably the *dumbest* of all the Apple Apologists, even dumber than is Jolly Roger and Lewis (which is hard to fathom). Proof that Snit/Fox's Mercantile is an utter moron Apple Apologist: <https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> Snit === Fox's Mercantile |
| Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com>: Jan 11 03:09PM On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 09:47:10 -0600, Fox's Mercantile wrote: > So you don't even have a dog in this race. Bear in mind that Fox' Mercantile is the utter moron Snit, who is again, lamely following people around the net like the little retard child he is. This is a moving graph of what Snit/Fox's Mercantile claimed was dB! <http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/10/11/wifi_sweetspots.jpg> All Fox's Mercantile/Snit saw was a moving graph for heavens' sake. Snit/Fox's Mercantile is *that* stupid! Just look at this hilarious video, where he makes an utter fool of himself, and doesn't even realize that he probably the *dumbest* of all the Apple Apologists, even dumber than is Jolly Roger and Lewis (which is hard to fathom). Proof that Snit/Fox's Mercantile is an utter moron Apple Apologist: <https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> Snit === Fox's Mercantile |
| Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com>: Jan 11 03:09PM On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:44:39 -0500, nospam wrote: > *all* batteries degrade over time. there is no getting around that, at > least with today's technology. Only Apple iPhones "begin to fall apart after a year". https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/12/20/16803190/iphone-slowdown-is-needed-but-also-a-problem "Apple is knowingly designing and selling products that begin to fall apart after a year" |
| Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com>: Jan 11 03:09PM On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:06:39 -0500, nospam wrote: >> Yep, all batteries degrade with time and use. > exactly the point. Classic Apple Apologists distort reason because facts shake their belief system to the core. Saying all batteries degrade with time and use is correct, but only Apple iPhone batteries consistently fail within a year such that CPU speeds need to be halved to "prolong the life of the iPhone". The Apple Apologists are making an analogy akin to saying all people age and die, so what does it matter if a huge number of them die within a year. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/a3nvmk/apple-iphone-throttling-right-to-repair "If Apple were serious about battery life, they+IBk-d market battery replacements," instead of fighting the government to prevent the consumer from easily replacing the battery themselves. |
| Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com>: Jan 11 03:09PM On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 11:49:55 -0500, rickman wrote: > Yep, all batteries degrade with time and use. But the batteries in question > degraded more and faster than Apple expected requiring action on their part > after the sale. "iPhones start slowing down after a year of use, and that+IBk-s way too soon" <https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/12/20/16803190/iphone-slowdown-is-needed-but-also-a-problem> I agree with your logic, rickman, but you're dealing with Apple Apologists whose very belief system is shaken off its foundations when the truth about Apple is revealed to them. I just supplied a quote that says only Apple iPhones "begin to fall apart after a year", which is the main point. In Europe, that's within the whole-phone warranty period, and certainly within the whole-phone warranty period of the Android LG Stylo 3 Plus phones I bought over Christmas. The point is that a year is too soon, and it only happens, en masse, with Apple, and Apple is the ONLY manufacturer who throttles the CPU with an iOS update (secretly in the past, and more openly in the future). Basically, you must logically *halve* any benchmark for an iPhone, if you plan to own an iPhone for more than a year. |
| Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com>: Jan 11 03:09PM On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 19:22:09 -0600, Fox's Mercantile wrote: > Actually, he's doing an excellent job on Rickman. Bear in mind that Fox' Mercantile is the utter moron Snit, who is again, lamely following people around the net like the little retard child he is. This is a moving graph of what Snit/Fox's Mercantile claimed was dB! <http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/10/11/wifi_sweetspots.jpg> All Fox's Mercantile/Snit saw was a moving graph for heavens' sake. Snit/Fox's Mercantile is *that* stupid! Just look at this hilarious video, where he makes an utter fool of himself, and doesn't even realize that he probably the *dumbest* of all the Apple Apologists, even dumber than is Jolly Roger and Lewis (which is hard to fathom). Proof that Snit/Fox's Mercantile is an utter moron Apple Apologist: <https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> Snit === Fox's Mercantile |
| Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com>: Jan 11 03:09PM On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 14:39:11 -0600, Fox's Mercantile wrote: > It won't until you killfile harry newton. Bear in mind that Fox' Mercantile is the utter moron Snit, who is again, lamely following people around the net like the little retard child he is. This is a moving graph of what Snit/Fox's Mercantile claimed was dB! <http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/10/11/wifi_sweetspots.jpg> All Fox's Mercantile/Snit saw was a moving graph for heavens' sake. Snit/Fox's Mercantile is *that* stupid! Just look at this hilarious video, where he makes an utter fool of himself, and doesn't even realize that he probably the *dumbest* of all the Apple Apologists, even dumber than is Jolly Roger and Lewis (which is hard to fathom). Proof that Snit/Fox's Mercantile is an utter moron Apple Apologist: <https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> Snit === Fox's Mercantile |
| Mad Roger <rogermadd@yahoo.com>: Jan 11 02:47AM The scientific question is how do we correctly interpret why EE pads seem to outperform FF pads in this police cruiser study done in 2000? https://www.justnet.org/pdf/EvaluationBrakePads2000.pdf https://www.justnet.org/pdf/Copy-of-9-22-10-Edited-Brake-Pad-Report-Draft.pdf In another thread today, the topic was discussed on how to intelligently select friction materials for replacement brake pads and shoes. https://s18.postimg.org/wqilqasdl/toyota_friction_material.jpg That discussion hinges on a scientifically valid interpretation and understanding of the utility of the "friction codes" printed on every brake pad and shoe in the USA: AMECA Compliance List of Automotive Safety Devices: Friction Material Edge Codes(TM), May 2011 <http://safebraking.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/AMECA-List-of-VESC-V-3-Brake-Friction-Material-Edge-Codes-May-20112.pdf> A general summary of which is listed below: http://faculty.ccbcmd.edu/~smacadof/DOTPadCodes.htm https://netrider.net.au/threads/understanding-brake-pad-ratings.88551/ http://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp-1003-brake-pad-technology/ etc. The scientific question is how do we correctly interpret why EE pads seem to outperform FF pads in this police cruiser study done in 2000? https://www.justnet.org/pdf/EvaluationBrakePads2000.pdf |
| Mad Roger <rogermadd@yahoo.com>: Jan 11 02:57AM On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 02:47:38 -0000 (UTC), Mad Roger wrote: > The scientific question is how do we correctly interpret why EE pads seem > to outperform FF pads in this police cruiser study done in 2000? > https://www.justnet.org/pdf/EvaluationBrakePads2000.pdf Here is the original response to that thread where it was said that SAE J866a Chase Test EE pads outperformed FF pads. <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.autos.tech/_SSZmTXS5kk/87MU4e1JAAAJ> >I can't run my own tests like the police did here: >https://www.justnet.org/pdf/EvaluationBrakePads2000.pdf And those tests showed the EE pads CONSISTENTLY outperformed the FF brakes pretty well across the board - with the FF brakes SEVERELY underperforming in most cases. The Dana Ceramic family was the only FF to outperform OEM, while HawkHead outperformed on both Chevy and Ford - and Raybestos and Carquest alsooutperformed on Ford in the panic stop test. Across the board, EE brakes, on the whole, outperformed the FF and even the EE/GG combination - so what does your friction rating tell you???????????? What it tells ME is if I buy Raybestos, NAPA, CVarquest, or Dana (all major OEM suppliers) brakes, I will equal or excede OEM performance - doesn't make a bit of difference to me WHAT rating they have. If I want slightly superior hot panic braking, at the expense of poorer cold and medium temperature braking I should buy ceramics - and this is STRICTLY for braking performance. Now, from REAL WORLD experience, both myFord Aerostrs went through rotors like crazy - untill I put on NAPA's Carbon Metallics a set of pads destroyed a set of rotors at about half of pad life - and I mean TOTALLY DESTROYED, here in Southern Ontario. That came out at just over a year. When I went to NAPA Carbon Metallics, the same rotors lasted for TWO FULL SETS of pads - and over 5 years - and I was able to actually lock the front wheels on dry pavement (rear ABS only) - which NONE of the other brakes were capable of doing. Never looked at the friction rating - never needed to, because friction rating doesn't tell the whole story (as your reference so elegantly proved) You can have 5 different FF pads - and one will be noisy as hell, one will eat rotors for lunch, onde will corrode as soon as it SMELLS salt, and another will turn to gravel the first time you get it hot - ALL FF rated (or ef, or ee. or FE ) The fact it met the test requirements ONCE in the lab means NOTHING about quality |
| Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Jan 10 09:09PM -0600 On 1/10/18 8:47 PM, Mad Roger wrote: > The scientific question is how He's back with a new name. Hopefully this means the end of the Apple thread. -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
| Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>: Jan 11 02:23PM +1100 On 11/01/2018 1:47 PM, Mad Roger wrote: > The scientific question is how do we correctly interpret why EE pads seem The scientific results are back! You are certifiably insane! -- Xeno |
| Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>: Jan 11 02:23PM +1100 On 11/01/2018 2:09 PM, Fox's Mercantile wrote: > On 1/10/18 8:47 PM, Mad Roger wrote: >> The scientific question is how > He's back with a new name. In spades! > Hopefully this means the end of the Apple thread. But the start of a new, and useless, thread. -- Xeno |
| Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>: Jan 10 11:07PM -0500 On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 02:47:38 -0000 (UTC), Mad Roger >The scientific question is how do we correctly interpret why EE pads seem >to outperform FF pads in this police cruiser study done in 2000? >https://www.justnet.org/pdf/EvaluationBrakePads2000.pdf The engineer's enigma. And that's with "genuine" parts (we will "ass u me") Now google "counterfeit brake parts" - or just "counterfeit auto parts" - and you will see how big a problem parts counterfeiting is world wide, and why those ratings stamped onthe brakers do not NECESSARILLY mean ANYTHING. That's why I say buying known brand parts from a trusted supplier is the FIRST step in getting good parts. Assuming coefficient of friction IS the main quality you want in brakes - which for me it most definitely is NOT. I want quiet brakes that respond smoothly both hot and cold, last for a good length of time, and do not destroy my rotors/drums. On disc brakes I want pads that don't dust excessively, and the dust does not attack the finish on my alloy rims or wheel covers. I want brakes that do not fade excessively, and that willprovide more than adequate braking in real world conditions. When I installed oversized tires on my Ranger, brake effectiveness deteriorated significantly - with the same brake pads and rotors. I'm no engineer - but it was not hard to determine the problem was a problem of leverage - the big wheels were exerting more foot-lbs of torque to the brake - and the answer was bigger rotors - NOT different brake pads - or even bigger brake pads. Just move the brake pads 10% farther from the axle, like the larger wheels moved the road contact area about 10% farther from the axle, and the brake force was re-ballanced. |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 11 04:05AM -0800 Jimmy Neutron is back!!! As promised under another alias. Do not feed the Troll! |
| Mad Roger <rogermadd@yahoo.com>: Jan 11 02:46PM On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 23:07:18 -0500, Clare Snyder wrote: > The engineer's enigma. This is a difficult question to answer, where *Xeno the troll* clearly isn't capable of answering it, but neither am I, which is why I asked for scientific help. We're talking about EE and FF pads as determined by the SAE J866 Chase Test http://standards.sae.org/j866_201201/ And, we're talking about EE/FF pads being tested in the *same vehicle*, where one must note the friction coefficient of E is marginally above that of steel on steel (i.e., no pad at all). Hence it is an enigma if the EE lower-friction coefficient friction materials can outperform FF higher-friction coefficient materials in real-world tests. However, it is true that the link above says, very clearly: "Due to other factors that include brake system design and operating environment, the friction codes obtained from this document cannot reliably be used to predict brake system performance." So the only scientific question here is why would EE outperperform FF? > parts" - and you will see how big a problem parts counterfeiting is > world wide, and why those ratings stamped onthe brakers do not > NECESSARILLY mean ANYTHING. While counterfeit parts "could" be the problem, do you really think that a state-run test posted and published nationally, would fall prey to them? I think that fails Occam's Razor for logic (unless you have proof). > That's why I say buying known brand parts from a trusted supplier is > the FIRST step in getting good parts. But we can assume the police did that - where it's just not reasonably logical that they would fall prey to a plethora of counterfeit parts, especially since the parts were *supplied* by the manufacturers, I believe. (We could fall prey to "ringers" though...) > Assuming coefficient of friction IS the main quality you want in > brakes - which for me it most definitely is NOT. I have to openly admit that I think the coefficient of friction is one of the critical factors in brake friction materials, other than fit and "reasonable" everything else (longevity, noise, dust, etc. in the Bell Curve). > a good length of time, and do not destroy my rotors/drums. > On disc brakes I want pads that don't dust excessively, and the dust > does not attack the finish on my alloy rims or wheel covers. Everyone wants that, so we all agree (except trolls like Fox's Mercantile). But how do you know that from the numbers printed on the pad? (Rhetorical question - as I know there's no way to know that.) > I want brakes that do not fade excessively, and that willprovide more > than adequate braking in real world conditions. Why wouldn't fade be covered in the SAE J866 Chase Test, which tests their friction coefficient at a variety of temperatures? > farther from the axle, like the larger wheels moved the road contact > area about 10% farther from the axle, and the brake force was > re-ballanced. I agree that there are *many* factors in the act of slowing down a vehicle with brake friction material heating up causing a loss of the energy of momentum. However, the cold & hot friction coefficient, logically, must be a primary factor, where there's a reason if lower coefficient EE pads (which have just barely better a coefficient of friction than no pads at all) could outperform FF pads (which have appreciably higher friction coefficients) in the same vehicle under standard tests. All I ask is how this can happen (where counterfeits are not logically the reason). |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 10 01:24PM -0800 Rick: You are incapable of discussion. At any level, either reasonable or not. You are ignorant. Not stupid, just full-bore, invincibly and irreducibly ignorant. "You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant." - Harlan Ellison You insist on your right to be ignorant and hold onto it as you would your favorite blanket or binky. You are unfailingly boorish, dense, often silly, always at least a few cats short of a clowder. This is who you are. Very sadly. With that in mind, find a mirror and work with it. Work HARD with it. - You will be preaching to the converted. - There will be no confusion over the facts. - There will be no embarrassment or misunderstanding. - And, you will WIN every discussion, every time. Which, given your state and level of achievement, is certain to be unusual, refreshing and rewarding. As it is now, you have nothing to offer other than further opportunities for laughter, and those hardly with you. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 10 01:50PM -0800 On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 1:41:47 PM UTC-5, The Real Bev wrote: > astigmatism to benefit from the really nice multi-focal IOLs available > now for cataract surgery, and 30 years ago I would have just been happy > to see SOMETHING clearly again :-( Mpffff... Agreed on the spirit of all that. I would be purblind and in a wheelchair, also in great pain if even still alive were it not for Medical Science. My wife much worse. Corrective lenses, vaccinations, artificial hip (and the next one scheduled within 6 months), antibiotics, and so forth. My wife would be either dead or a C2 paralytic from galloping stenosis. Also a hip, lenses, vaccinations and antibiotics. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 10 06:46PM -0500 > Which, given your state and level of achievement, is certain to be unusual, refreshing and rewarding. As it is now, you have nothing to offer other than further opportunities for laughter, and those hardly with you. > Peter Wieck > Melrose Park, PA I think it is clear why you post here. You like to have conversations where you can feel superior by being obnoxious. Nothing about your posts are substantive, just ad hominem based on virtually nothing other than the person disagrees with you. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| etpm@whidbey.com: Jan 10 03:51PM -0800 On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 13:50:43 -0800 (PST), "pfjw@aol.com" >My wife would be either dead or a C2 paralytic from galloping stenosis. Also a hip, lenses, vaccinations and antibiotics. >Peter Wieck >Melrose Park, PA Yeah, ain't modern medicine great? My wife was saved by a good doc after her appendicitis was mis-diagnosed by a quack. My older brother would have died long ago if it wasn't for surgery to remove a chunk of colon that would have killed him from cancer. I avoided paralysis by about 6 months from stenosis. My wrists both move after being crushed. All that hardware they put in to hold all the tiny pieces bone is pretty impressive. I am a year out from being declared most likely cancer free after being diagnosed with stage 4 prostate cancer. Eric |
| The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Jan 10 04:04PM -0800 > scheduled within 6 months), antibiotics, and so forth. > My wife would be either dead or a C2 paralytic from galloping > stenosis. Also a hip, lenses, vaccinations and antibiotics. All my life I've been healthy. Organs fine, rarely get sick. My eyes suck and I have minimal aerobic capacity (neither does Dr. Michael Mosley [Brit presenter of very good medical programs, definitely worth watching]) which has limited my athletic performance and I have some protruding disks which are a nuisance, but not debilitating. I get pissed when I have something wrong and just expect to have everything work. Goddammit, I pay enough for medical insurance, it should damn well WORK!!!! I just had my cataracts done because of lifetime unclear vision, not anything having to do with the cataracts themselves. -- Cheers, Bev "If you expect to score points by whining, join a European soccer team." --Demotivators poster |
| Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Jan 10 09:13PM -0600 On 1/10/18 5:46 PM, rickman wrote: >> Rick: >> You are incapable of discussion. > I think it is clear why you post here. You have no idea. The response you elicited from Mr. Weick is just what I'd expect from someone with a proper education. Which is something you apparently lack. So, dropping down to your level of education: Go park your nose back up Harry's ass and stop posting here. -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
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