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| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 10 11:48AM -0500 nospam wrote on 1/10/2018 10:44 AM: > if you drive your car in extreme situations, it likely will overheat, > possibly with other failures too. > you can see these people on the side of the road on hot summer days. Yes, because there is something *wrong* with their car, not because it is expected for cars to stop working when it is warm. *Your* car didn't fail did it? Did everyone's cars fail? No, only the cars that had a defect. If your car is under warranty and it overheats on a very hot summer day, do they say, "Hey, it was a hot day"? No, they fix it! >>> graphics intensive game, and it will get warm, possibly very warm. >> What? You aren't supposed to play games on a computer? LOL > nonsense. games are extremely popular on mobile devices. So it is reasonable to expect a mobile device to run games without overheating? If not, then it sounds like mobile devices are real crap! >> They also don't run the same sort of programs as PCs. > yes they do. the obvious ones are email and web browsing, but many > people also edit photos and videos on their phones. None of which will cause a mobile device to overheat. Why are you just disputing everything I say without paying any attention to the context? >>> if it gets too warm, it has to throttle. >> Or it can be designed with adequate passive cooling. > it is, but everything has limits. Yes, and those limits should be beyond anything a user can do. It's very easy. Every CPU has a figure for the maximum power dissipation. The phone needs to be able to dissipate that much power or the CPU will overheat. Isn't that easy? > right, because a phone with a large heatsink sticking out the back and > a fan that's always on will sell. > not. You clearly know nothing about designing mobile electronics. I'm done with this discussion with you. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 10 11:49AM -0500 nospam wrote on 1/10/2018 10:44 AM: > least with today's technology. > maybe at some point in the future there will be an eternal power source > that never wears out. that time is not now. Yep, all batteries degrade with time and use. But the batteries in question degraded more and faster than Apple expected requiring action on their part after the sale. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 10 11:52AM -0500 nospam wrote on 1/10/2018 10:44 AM: > time, unless failure has occurred due to a defect in materials or > workmanship; ... > it's a standard disclaimer. "unless failure has occurred due to a defect in materials or workmanship;" Enough said. > there's a big difference between a battery that's at 95% capacity after > a year (well within normal range) versus one that's at 60% capacity in > the same time frame, or has swollen or some other defect. A diagnostic is used to catch eminent failures or batteries that are degrading faster than expected. It is not the criteria for replacing a battery. If the battery won't operate the phone as the phone was intended to be operated, it doesn't matter what the diagnostic says. Done here. Argue with yourself. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 10 11:54AM -0500 >> within the warranty period you get a replacement. Why are you arguing this? > !@#$%^ apples and (*&^%$ oranges! That batter warranty (if it exists): > Has not one damned thing to do with the vehicle warranty - and must be pursued separately from the vehicle warranty if a claim is necessary. Why are you so dense as to not "GET" that? It's still covered by a warranty, why are you so dense you don't GET it? I'm done these pointless arguments. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 10 12:06PM -0500 In article <p35g4f$m94$1@dont-email.me>, rickman > Yes, because there is something *wrong* with their car, not because it is > expected for cars to stop working when it is warm. *Your* car didn't fail > did it? Did everyone's cars fail? No, only the cars that had a defect. nothing is wrong with the vehicle. > If your car is under warranty and it overheats on a very hot summer day, do > they say, "Hey, it was a hot day"? No, they fix it! there isn't anything to fix. > > nonsense. games are extremely popular on mobile devices. > So it is reasonable to expect a mobile device to run games without > overheating? If not, then it sounds like mobile devices are real crap! they run them perfectly fine. > > people also edit photos and videos on their phones. > None of which will cause a mobile device to overheat. Why are you just > disputing everything I say without paying any attention to the context? editing videos certainly can. do you even own a smartphone? > easy. Every CPU has a figure for the maximum power dissipation. The phone > needs to be able to dissipate that much power or the CPU will overheat. > Isn't that easy? there's a *lot* more to it than just that. > > a fan that's always on will sell. > > not. > You clearly know nothing about designing mobile electronics. far more than you do, that much is clear. > I'm done with > this discussion with you. good. |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 10 12:06PM -0500 In article <p35g7f$m94$2@dont-email.me>, rickman > > maybe at some point in the future there will be an eternal power source > > that never wears out. that time is not now. > Yep, all batteries degrade with time and use. exactly the point. > But the batteries in question > degraded more and faster than Apple expected requiring action on their part > after the sale. no they didn't. they are well within normal expected range. |
| nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>: Jan 10 12:06PM -0500 In article <p35gc8$m94$3@dont-email.me>, rickman > degrading faster than expected. It is not the criteria for replacing a > battery. If the battery won't operate the phone as the phone was intended > to be operated, it doesn't matter what the diagnostic says. yes it does matter what the diagnostic says. that's why it's called a diagnostic. and the battery is *not* degrading faster than expected either. |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 10 09:11AM -0800 On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 11:54:12 AM UTC-5, rickman wrote: > It's still covered by a warranty, why are you so dense you don't GET it? Which has nothing to do with the phone. You keep conflating the two. |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 10 05:13PM >> that never wears out. that time is not now. > Yep, all batteries degrade with time and use. But the batteries in question > degraded more and faster That's your trollish assumption. Repeating it doesn't make it factual. There's no actual evidence that Apple's batteries degrade faster than others. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 10 05:13PM > On 1/10/18 9:02 AM, rickman wrote: >> I don't own an Apple Phone > So you don't even have a dog in this race. He does, it's just his dog lives under a bridge. ; ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 10 05:13PM > Done here. Bye, Felicia. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 10 05:22PM > BK@Onramp.net wrote on 1/7/2018 2:01 PM: >> It had nothing to do with avoiding the warranty. Period. > How can you make that assertion? Since you are the one who originally stated "the user experience is being impacted to mitigate the problems of a battery that is degrading prematurely in order to avoid warranty replacements", the onus is on you. So go right ahead and prove that's the case, if you can. We'll wait... -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>: Jan 10 06:13PM >> to replace it. > The only test I really care about is running the phone the way it did > when new. If it doesn't do that the diagnostic test is pointless. You don't even own an iPhone. Meanwhile I know plenty of people (including me) who use their iPhones for 3-5 years with no problem without replacing the battery. There's no evidence of a widespread defect in Apple's batteries, just like there's no evidence that the majority of them die within a year. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
| BK@Onramp.net: Jan 10 12:34PM -0600 On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:53:31 -0500, rickman >BK@Onramp.net wrote on 1/7/2018 2:01 PM: >> It had nothing to do with avoiding the warranty. Period. >How can you make that assertion? Because I've followed it starting with IOS 10.1 that explained what they were doing. |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 10 10:36AM -0800 On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 1:13:59 PM UTC-5, Jolly Roger wrote: > for 3-5 years with no problem without replacing the battery. There's no > evidence of a widespread defect in Apple's batteries, just like there's > no evidence that the majority of them die within a year. My wife walked into the Apple Store in Willow Grove, PA on December 28th. They took one look at her phone (I-6) and replaced her battery - no cost. Her complaint was that it did not hold a charge. It did not. Verizon sent her to Apple as they do not cover batteries or the physical phone itself. Her phone two (2) years old. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
| BK@Onramp.net: Jan 10 12:47PM -0600 On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:02:49 -0500, rickman >> not apply: (a) to consumable parts, such as batteries..." >> Go read the warranty for your location. >I don't own an Apple Phone Then: 1. What's your complaint? 2. Why are you posting to an iPhone newsgroup? |
| makolber@yahoo.com: Jan 10 11:47AM -0800 On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 9:01:10 AM UTC-5, rickman wrote: > warranty period. Get over it and quit saying "batteries age" like it is a > holy mantra. Yeah, they age and the product should be designed with that in > mind so the product still works 100% during the warranty period. and if you are going to make an update that effects performance, don't try to keep it secret. |
| Terry Schwartz <tschw10117@aol.com>: Jan 10 12:42PM -0800 Or more probably, work at 75% performance potential throughout the warranty period. Throttled from day 1 so that no degradation is applied. This is more common than you might imagine! Terry Yeah, they age and the product should be designed with that in |
| Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Jan 10 03:04PM -0600 On 1/10/18 11:13 AM, Jolly Roger wrote: > That's your trollish assumption. Repeating it doesn't > make it factual. "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts." ― Daniel Patrick Moynihan -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
| "pfjw@aol.com" <pfjw@aol.com>: Jan 10 01:09PM -0800 On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 4:04:50 PM UTC-5, Fox's Mercantile wrote: > "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled > to your own facts." > ― Daniel Patrick Moynihan A better quote: "You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant." - Harlan Ellison Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
| The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Jan 10 10:41AM -0800 > our present Golden is somewhat near-sighted. Frisbees 'go away' after > about 30' or so. As we breed our dogs away from their ancestry, we > will be seeing more and more of this. Near us there is a small vet complex including a doggie ophthalmologist. I wonder how many dogs will tolerate having contacts inserted/removed, or if they have to be sedated each time, as well as during the diagnosis. > uncommon. After several wars (and better diagnoses available), they > are now necessary for 71% of the population, with leaps after each > significant war. I wonder if people are just increasingly less tolerant of imperfection as technology improves. I'm still bitter about having too much astigmatism to benefit from the really nice multi-focal IOLs available now for cataract surgery, and 30 years ago I would have just been happy to see SOMETHING clearly again :-( -- Cheers, Bev Judges are our only protection against a legal system that can afford lots more prosecution than we can afford defense. |
| rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com>: Jan 10 03:37PM -0500 >> Do you wear sunglasses every time you go out into the sun? Do you put on >> sun screen every time you go out into the sun? You only get one skin! > OK, let me preface my remarks by stating, for the record, that I think you are a single-minded individual, unencumbered by the thought process, who can hold only one single idea in his mind at any given moment. Further, that you have no use for actual facts, most especially those that are counter to the single idea-of-that-moment. Further, that you are spectacularly guilty of the fallacy of reasoning from the specific to the general (AKA - Leaping to Conclusions). I could add more, but I am sure that is enough for now. Given those statements it is clear there is no reason for me to try to discuss anything with you. > a) All my corrective lenses are coated against UVA and UVB. Since such coatings were available. Whether tinted or not. > b) As a fair-skinned Irish-German individual who is also bald, yes, I am quite careful about the sun. I have been conscious of these things since childhood. That I have lived and worked in the Middle East is also applicable. > And you? Me what? Do you realize that nothing in these two paragraphs supports any of your claims. They only support that you believe the claims. Looks like you are trying to draw a conclusion from the singularity of your own experience. Like I said, I won't be discussing this with you since you feel nothing I say is worthwhile. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998 |
| bruce2bowser@gmail.com: Jan 10 12:50PM -0800 > As it happens, only coated plastics or glass will stop 100% of UVA and UVB radiation, not the plastic or glass itself. > https://www.thoughtco.com/does-glass-block-uv-light-608316 > $300 sunglasses? Where would you get that idea? Sunglasses Hut? in the mall? |
| Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Jan 10 03:05PM -0600 On 1/10/18 2:37 PM, rickman wrote: > Like I said, I won't be discussing this with you since you feel nothing > I say is worthwhile. You're learning. -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
| bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>: Jan 10 12:16PM -0500 > did you get your kik going? > what was wrong? > m Too much going on with the holidays and work the past couple weeks to have a chance to take an afternoon to sit down with it, unfortunately. Paid work has to take priority. Don't worry, though, I'm not tossing it, it's in my "probable PS-fault" section (along with the poor Korg MS2000.) ;-) |
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