Digest for sci.electronics.repair@googlegroups.com - 6 updates in 1 topic

peter wieck <peterwieck9@gmail.com>: Mar 24 01:02PM -0700

It is the relay. Tap-on/tap-off.
 
And, it so turns out that the previous owner had replaced the relay by kluge wiring it on the bottom of the board, holding it down with elephant-snot glue. Which, in turn, was eating the wiring.
 
In any case, I will order the relay tomorrow and correct the "modifications" made to the board.
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
John-Del <ohger1s@gmail.com>: Mar 24 02:18PM -0700

On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 4:02:37 PM UTC-4, peter wieck wrote:
 
> In any case, I will order the relay tomorrow and correct the "modifications" made to the board.
 
> Peter Wieck
> Melrose Park, PA
 
 
Huh... *I* use elephant-snot glue. It's not as durable as animal hide glue but it's a lot cheaper and doesn't smell nearly as bad...
 

>A new relay (exact fit) is $80 from the same company that made them for HK. Not bad for an obsolete part. but about 10X the cost of a similar unit.
 
 
Is the relay really $80 or were you exaggerating? If it is, replace it with *anything* else that will fit. If you don't have something, I just might.
"pfjw@aol.com" <peterwieck33@gmail.com>: Mar 24 03:24PM -0700

On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 5:18:16 PM UTC-4, John-Del wrote:
 
> Is the relay really $80 or were you exaggerating? If it is, replace it with *anything* else that will fit. If you don't have something, I just might.
 
$79.95, no kidding, but including shipping.
 
a) There is an "anything else" in there now.
b) I get a tested and warranted OEM part from the OEM maker. The warranty includes labor should it be necessary - 10 year.
c) Made with "Matched Reeds" per the OEM spec.
d) And, perhaps the OEM maker will stay in business just a bit longer.
 
Sure, I can get something that will work from Mouser for less than $12, with shipping. But the reeds will not be matched, and, likely it will be from China, and it will definitely not be original. I dunno, this is not a museum-piece by any stretch, but I can afford it, so why not?
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
John-Del <ohger1s@gmail.com>: Mar 25 07:39AM -0700


> $79.95, no kidding, but including shipping.
 
 
 
> a) There is an "anything else" in there now.
 
 
Yes, but I'm sure you could implement another "anything else" solution and have it look fine, work properly, and last indefinitely (elephant-snot glue notwithstanding).
 
 
> b) I get a tested and warranted OEM part from the OEM maker. The warranty includes labor should it be necessary - 10 year.
 
 
A relay should last 50 years IMO. And while that warranty is impressive, I can't imagine how much trouble it would be to get them to cough up labor costs to replace it. Do they go on your word? Do you have to ship the relay to HK?
 
 
> c) Made with "Matched Reeds" per the OEM spec.
 
 
Unless I was building a harmonium, I wouldn't worry about matched reeds...[rimshot] I refuse to believe that someone (anyone) could hear an audible difference between audio switched through an $80 matched reed relay and a $5 reed relay from Digi.
Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>: Mar 25 10:46AM -0400

In article <788f293e-4d61-4088-81bb-ee28bb1f8224@googlegroups.com>,
ohger1s@gmail.com says...
 
> Unless I was building a harmonium, I wouldn't worry about matched reeds...[rimshot] I refuse to believe that someone (anyone) could hear an audible difference between audio switched through an $80 matched reed relay and a $5 reed relay from Digi.
 
Don't tell that to the audio nuts. They even go to the process of
replacing the solder in some equipment to a certain type to make the
audio sound better.
 
They will buy a 6 foot AC cord to go from the equipment to the wall
socket for around $ 100 that is something special. They don't seem to
know there is 25 to 100 feet of inexpensive cable from the socket to the
braker box, and hard telling what from there to the power company
generators.
"pfjw@aol.com" <peterwieck33@gmail.com>: Mar 25 08:09AM -0700

On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 10:40:02 AM UTC-4, John-Del wrote:
 
> A relay should last 50 years IMO. And while that warranty is impressive, I can't imagine how much trouble it would be to get them to cough up labor costs to replace it. Do they go on your word? Do you have to ship the relay to HK?
 
> > c) Made with "Matched Reeds" per the OEM spec.
 
> Unless I was building a harmonium, I wouldn't worry about matched reeds...[rimshot] I refuse to believe that someone (anyone) could hear an audible difference between audio switched through an $80 matched reed relay and a $5 reed relay from Digi.
 
Just ship the board to Computer Components. HK is pretty much out of the legacy repair business. CC was their OEM supplier many years ago, and remain functioning to this day. I have to admit that is much of the appeal - how many such businesses remain viable, and how much is their viability, and the jobs they support, worth?
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
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