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dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt): Apr 05 10:48AM -0700 In article <261429e4-5564-434a-9818-99eca6af0c68@googlegroups.com>, >a pro se case coming up. That is plenty.   >However that is information that you can ask a lawyer. It would not put him in jeopardy to tell. Main thing is, can a business >get an FCC license ? Most likely.   Businesses can get certain types of FCC licenses.   As I understand it, no business can get a ham license, because the use of amateur radio for commercial purposes is forbidden. You have to be an individual person, who can (in person) take and pass the test(s) required for whatever amateur radio license grade you're going for.   There is such a thing as an amateur club-station license, but each club requires at least four members, officers, and there has to be an individually-licensed ham who acts as "trustee" for the station and takes legal responsibility for its operation. If you don't have your own ham license, you can only use a club station if there's a licensed ham present to act as a "control operator", taking responsibility for proper operation and (if necessary) "taking the keys away from you" if you do it wrong.   [And, tangentially... I haven't yet heard of a case in which the "Sovereign citizen" arguments have actually won out in court. If a "sovereign citizen" refuses to pay taxes, or commits a Federal crime and is charged for it, and uses the "sovereign citizen" arguments as a defense... quite consistently, they lose... the courts reject these arguments as "frivolous" or "made up".   Granted, quite a few people seem to be "flying under the radar", e.g. failing to file/pay Federal income taxes on the grounds of being "sovereign citizens" or "state citizens". Some get away with this for years. However, if/when audited or charged, they don't do well in court.   It's not an approach I recommend. You're free to dislike the Federal government all you like, but _ignoring_ it isn't wise, especially if you're doing so on the basis of legal arguments that the IRS and courts have been consistently rejecting for decades, based on legal precedents which reach back all the way to The Federalist Papers.]

Erholt Rhein <erholtr@pobox.com>: Apr 05 06:54PM jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in   >>"It's a privacy violation that violates the intent of the law. "   > I agree, but they do it all the time. > And the people don't care just like the boiling frog.   It's never a case of "you can't beat city hall" but if you fight, then they change their ways - but a lot of people have to do the fighting.   It's the American way to fight for your right to privacy.   For example, it used to be that your medical insurance was your ssn and then Texas passed a law and now you don't have to have your medical insurance tied to your pension plan.   The Jews in Germany didn't have that concept of fighting for their rights, and six million of them died because of it. Had six million people fought, like a few thousand did in Warsaw while Russia looked on watching in glee with the Lublick government in tow, they would have almost outnumbered the German army.   You don't fight for your rights, you lose them. Ask the Jews if you think nobody wants to take away your rights.   Anyway, I found out how to do it. I will write up a tutorial so that anyone else can do it too.   That's the Usenet way to give back for your free advice.

Ragnusen Ultred <rragnusen@ultred.com>: Apr 05 11:55AM -0700 Am Thu, 05 Apr 2018 08:13:34 -0700, schrieb Jeff Liebermann:   > I can see that you've never dealt with a lawyer.   Jeff is right about lawyers, but wrong about the FRN, but not completely so!   It's technical, with nuance, but I was on the phone with the FCC today for almost an hour, and the end result is that you *can* get the Ham Radio License (Technicians Class) without giving them a SSN.   After noting that the question is not in the FCC Ham Radio FAQ http://wireless.fcc.gov/uls/index.htm?job=faq   I called the FCC today at 202-418-4120 & was bounced all over the FCC: https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/available-support-services   So this is a summary, which is simpler than what actually happened.   Starting here (877-480-3201), you hit x4 to get the FRN department who knows about FRN numbers but not licensing.   Starting here (877-480-3201), you hit x2 to get the ULS department who knows about licensing but not about FRN numbers.   Bouncing back and forth between them, you end up finding out: - You can tell the FCC that you don't have a SSN (don't ask, don't tell) - Or, you can use the last 4 digits & get a "Restricted Use FRN" - Or, you can use zero digits & get a "Special Use FRN" (form 323).   The latter two really don't apply to individuals, but they will "probably" work. I have a few FRNs already, as the FRN guy walked me through the whole process, where I advise you have, ahead of time, this written down:   1. You must give them a real email address (they send a verification note). 2. You can register for as many FRNs as you want with that email address. 3. The password is a bitch (no fewer than 12 characters, no more than 15 characters, a number, both cases, & a special character) 4. Best best is to register for a "regular" FRN & don't give them the SSN   Here are the steps: A. Go to the FCC web site https://www.fcc.gov B. On the top blue bar, press the "Licensing & Databases" tab https://www.fcc.gov/licensing C. On the left side, click the "FCC Registration System (CORES)" link https://www.fcc.gov/licensing-databases/fcc-registration-commission-registration-system D. On the right hand side, click "Register and update Username Account" https://apps2.fcc.gov/fccUserReg/pages/login.htm E. On the right hand side, click to create a new account https://apps2.fcc.gov/fccUserReg/pages/createAccount.htm F. Check your email for the verification mail & click the verification link G. Now go back to step C/D to "Create, update and associate FRN(s)" https://apps.fcc.gov/cores/userLogin.do H. When you log in, you'll end up in your "user home" https://apps.fcc.gov/cores/userHome.do I. Click on the "Register New FRN" link https://apps.fcc.gov/cores/regEntityType.do?csfrToken=6dP6ZynBdGwNQz8EU22jH46gL0NnA7SVu8PoiJJPXTCFnyAhzPAxQAvfjuDVtKvo J. It's ok to tell the truth here that you're an individual in the USA K. When you hit the "continue" button, now you have to decide Do you want a "restricted use FRN" (i.e., only requires 4 SSN digits) <--- this is what the FRN helpdesk suggested Do you want a "regular use FRN" (i.e., doesn't require a SSN) L. I did both, so I have _two_ FRNs now, but you can pick one. M. Most people will pick a "regular" FRN so let's do that now N. Click on "CORES FRN Registration" link & press "continue" O. Fill out the form noticing the line that says: If you do not have a Social Security Number, select a reason: P. The available reasons are: - Applied for - Exempted Activities <----- this is what the ULS helpdesk suggested - The individual is a petitioner - The individual is foreign Q. Enter in the following required information: - First Name: (it takes an initial) - Last Name: - Address: - City: (always amazes me they ask for city when they have zip) - Zip: - State: (always amazes me they ask for state when they have zip) - Email: (why ask this if you're already logged in?) R. Press "Submit" and you'll get an immediate on-screen confirmation: "Thank you for registering with the FCC. As of today, Apr 5 2018 9:44AM, you have been assigned the following FCC Registration Number (FRN): 0072678193" S. Write that number down as you don't seem to get an email confirmation.   Don't do what I ended up doing, which is that the FRN helpdesk told me to create a "restricted use FRN" so I did (which still requires the last four digits of your SSN); but the ULS helpdesk told me to create an "Exempted Activities" FRN (which they told me is for people who don't want to give out their SSN) - so now I have both.   You can't delete the FRN on the web page but you can ask the FCC to delete it by sending an email to "coreshelpdesk@fcc.gov" and the form 323 people don't have a phone number but you can ask questions of them via email to "form323@fcc.gov".   Let me know if I left anything out that you need, but this seems to be the process, where both the CORES and FRN people told me lots of people ask the question (so why isn't it in the FCC FAQ?).

Erholt Rhein <erholtr@pobox.com>: Apr 05 09:44PM > Let me know if I left anything out that you need, but this seems to be the > process, where both the CORES and FRN people told me lots of people ask the > question (so why isn't it in the FCC FAQ?).   Excellent! Thanks!

bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>: Apr 05 09:28PM -0400 > And people who value privacy are not the type to burn such a bridge, so I recommend just giving them the number. Don't even use TDC. (TDC means threat, duress, coercion) That is more aptly used when forced to sign something or else suffer some consequence, like not getting a driver's license or something like that, but the OP does not intend to refuse to sign and agree to be bound by the associated regulations, he wants to omit a piece of information.   > This is tricky, I don't claim to know all about it but I know enough for example to pull it off myself. But others have different situations and may require a different approach.   > The people I learn about this from had hired an ex-Harvard law professor top tutor them, and he could never have given that information out in his capacity as an active member of the bar. Once retired it is a different story.   I thought about getting a ham license at one point and even as a US citizen it all just seemed like a huge hassle for not much reward. If I'd been born in the 50s or 60s I probably would've gotten into it, but I was born in the dying days of disco instead.   Instead of buying a secondhand shortwave radio I bought a secondhand 2400 bps modem. Mom and Dad humored me but thought this whole "computers talking to each other" thing was just a weird fad, like CB radio. Oh well...

bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>: Apr 05 09:31PM -0400 On 04/05/2018 09:28 PM, bitrex wrote: > 2400 bps modem. Mom and Dad humored me but thought this whole "computers > talking to each other" thing was just a weird fad, like CB radio. Oh > well...   It took me all summer to save up for that little external modem and an extra one megabyte stick of RAM, that shit was expensive in 1992. Less than two years later I took home a 9600 bps modem sitting in my high school's trash bin.

bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>: Apr 05 10:04PM -0400 On 04/05/2018 02:55 PM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:   > Let me know if I left anything out that you need, but this seems to be the > process, where both the CORES and FRN people told me lots of people ask the > question (so why isn't it in the FCC FAQ?).   Nice job

Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Apr 05 09:25PM -0500 On 4/5/18 1:55 PM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote: > Jeff is right about lawyers, but wrong about the FRN, but > not completely so!   Considering that you're the same name shifting troll that posts endless threads about brake shoes, Apple batteries, smoke machines, front end alignment and on and on and on...   I'm going dismiss what you just posted as more of your long rambling bullshit.     -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com

jurb6006@gmail.com: Apr 06 01:26AM -0700 I can't think of anyone's opinions and advice I respect more than yours, but...   >"As I understand it, no business can get a ham license, because the use of amateur radio for commercial purposes is forbidden. "   That makes sense. I have wondered about businesses owning vehicles, is there a requirement there for at least one person to be in control and put his name on the line, or can it be just in a company name. Same with property. These are things I never found out because I never had any reason to.   >"I haven't yet heard of a case in which the "Sovereign citizen" arguments have actually won out in court."   That is not how it's done. Being sovereign has very little meaning, when you make well into six figures, being a non-taxpayer does have meaning. there is a specific process, and then you can't engage in certain contracts with the government. In fact you can't even sign a W-4 so you will forever be self employed or find an employer who will operate in a way that facilitates your wishes in the matter. I have found employers who simply pay cash so it is a moot point then anyway. No paper trail, nothing happens. Also when you do this you don't just not file a 1040, you CAN'T file a 1040 because it is one of the types of contracts with the government which blows the whole thing, and it only works once. In act, you can't be audited if you don't file. Also, the people who beat them did not file, if you file you lose. When you sign your name at the bottom it is not s receipt, it is a contract and an acknowledgement of jurisdiction to a private corporation, the IRS. Though chartered by the government they are incorporated just like General Motors, no better no worse. Same with the Federal Reserve. When you open a bank account you are entering into a contract with them. In each of those cases the contract is one in which they can change the terms for both parties, you and them at will and you cannot. It is technically repugnant to the common law but since you have the "constitutional" right to sign into it, it flies.   The other thing about tax court, you won't hear about the people who beat them, they do not like to publicize it. That is the same with any court, if you make them fear public scrutiny on anything it works in your favor. In some cases you file nearly all your evidence in the form of affidavits to the clerk of courts so that it is a matter of public record even if the judge has it stricken from the record of the proceedings.   And you're right, a lawyer will not tell you these things. That is unless you pick the right lawyer. That is not the easiest thing to do. For something like a DUI for example when you really are actually guilty, you want one who CAN litigate but you don't want him TO litigate. oyu want one who knows the judge and prosecutor and can get the thing moved into chambers out of the busybodies are MADD etc. but if you cause actual injuries and those people are not satisfied they can make it impossible.   Other matter are totally different story. you can actually defend yourself better than a lawyer because he has a few things in that oath with which you do not have to abide. That is if you know what you're doing, and nobody goes to law school just top defend themselves and without that license they will not be defending anyone else. Of course telling you anything will cost money because it either makes them money or it doesn't. If you don't hire them you can pay for their time and that creates privilege. But you still have to find the right one(s). If you thought finding a good pizza place was hard...   The techniques you use in a tax court, which is a civil court with a few extraordinary powers, are different than those used for a regular tort case or a criminal case. My friends hired an ex-law professor from Harvard to tutor them, and they beat the IRS. he wasn't worried about his oath anymore. He also help one totally wreck them in a criminal trial.   Let's put it this way, if you get caught selling weed (marked money and all) and they find your (expensive I personally know...) grow room, weapons and all kind of shit, what do you expect ? Well with a lawyer he lost, but operating pro se he won the appeal. But that should have happened the first time because unbeknownst to most people, if you win the appeal you are still convicted. Actually the same is true of a presidential pardon.   >" It's not an approach I recommend."   I agree, it is not for everybody. But there are some who it does benefit, and that is not publicized.   The instructions for the process look like a phone book.

jurb6006@gmail.com: Apr 06 01:28AM -0700 That first line was not meant for you, sorry.   I don't mean anything negative by that but the posts got mixed up. Frikken Google with no tree view.

Ragnusen Ultred <rragnusen@ultred.com>: Apr 06 03:17AM -0700 Am Thu, 5 Apr 2018 21:25:24 -0500, schrieb Fox's Mercantile:   > machines, front end alignment and on and on and on...   > I'm going dismiss what you just posted as more of your long > rambling bullshit.   *Hi Snit* (aka Fox's Mercantile),   You *never* add value to *any* thread.   The problem with you, Snit, is that you can't possibly ever post anything but accusations of trolls.   *You can't answer an on-topic question if you needed to save your life.* 1. You have zero technical expertise 2. You have zero intent to be helpful 3. You just want to accuse everyone else of exactly what you are doing.   Hence, you can't stay on topic and you always accuse everyone else of doing what you constantly do, Snit.   Just watch.

Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Apr 06 09:48AM -0500 On 4/6/18 5:17 AM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:   >> I'm going dismiss what you just posted as more of your long >> rambling bullshit.   > *Hi Snit* (aka Fox's Mercantile),   I was right, and you just proved it by going off,   And I'm not fucking Snit you asshole.       -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com

Ragnusen Ultred <rragnusen@ultred.com>: Apr 06 08:41AM -0700 Am Fri, 6 Apr 2018 09:48:56 -0500, schrieb Fox's Mercantile:   > And I'm not fucking Snit you asshole.   And yet, you prove in every post what you can't hide, which is that you are Snit.   1. You have zero helpful intent 2. You have zero technical capabiltiees 3. Hence you can only troll - and - you accuse everyone else of trolling.   *You are _Snit_, Fox Mercantile.*   You just hate that everyone knows it.

Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>: Apr 06 11:16AM -0500 On 4/6/18 10:41 AM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote: > *You are _Snit_, Fox Mercantile.*   BWahahaha, I'm not Snit, but you're still an asshole.     -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com

Ragnusen Ultred <rragnusen@ultred.com>: Apr 06 09:29AM -0700 Am Fri, 6 Apr 2018 11:16:01 -0500, schrieb Fox's Mercantile:   > BWahahaha, I'm not Snit, but you're still an asshole.   Hehhehheh ... and yet, you *are Snit*, which you prove in every post!

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com>: Apr 05 11:31AM -0700 On 4/2/2018 4:34 PM, Mike_Duffy wrote: > standby mode. They had endured a few winters (min -30C) and summers (max > +50C? interior) as well.   > Despite that, I plan to leave them loose in the case in the future.   I just put a piece of paper between one battery and it's contact.

Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid>: Apr 06 04:52PM +0100 On 05/04/18 19:31, Bob F wrote: > On 4/2/2018 4:34 PM, Mike_Duffy wrote: >> On Mon, 2 Apr 2018 13:09:48 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:   >>> when it comes to alkalines most brands are not far apart in capacity. .   >> Despite that, I plan to leave them loose in the case in the future.   > I just put a piece of paper between one battery and it's contact.   I've had cells leak when not installed, but kept in a drawer.   Remove 'em.   -- Adrian C

Terry Schwartz <tschw10117@aol.com>: Apr 05 05:15PM -0700 No Jeff, that's nonsense. Copper tape or aluminum foil tape will not hold up to the pogo pins rubbing on them. It'll last a few rotations before it wears thru, or folds up the tape, or pushes it off the substrate, likely creating another short.   I do like the slip ring idea if there is room and a way to secure it.   Otherwise, get the original gerbers, or recreate the gerbers in a PCB cad program, Eagle would do this easily. Then consult with a domestic PCB house on how to specify the copper thickness and hard gold plating. Doing it by design rather than some photocopy process would insure correct alignment with the pogo pins.   A "dry" connection does not imply no DC, by the way, it implies very low current.

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>: Apr 05 06:35PM -0700 On Thu, 5 Apr 2018 17:15:07 -0700 (PDT), Terry Schwartz >last a few rotations before it wears thru, or folds up >the tape, or pushes it off the substrate, likely creating >another short.   I'll admit that I haven't tried it with a similar device, but it worked well enough on an HP8640B signal generator switch that was somehow mangled. I don't have a photo of the repair, but this is the switch type: <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/HP8640B/slides/HP8640B-01.html> I used 3 mil copper shielding tape without soldering. Something like this: <https://www.adafruit.com/product/1128> The contacts are made from beryllium spring stock and do not apply much pressure. There was a slight groove in the copper tape, but no rips or tears. As far as I know, the generator is still functioning about 10 years after the repair.   However, you might be right. The signal generator switch has much less pressure, movement, and use than the robot head. However, there's nothing lost (except time) in attempting to repair the original with copper foil or tape. If the heads on the pogo pins are wide and rounded enough, such a repair might hold together long enough for the PCB to be cloned and replaced.   >I do like the slip ring idea if there is room and a way to secure it.   Agreed. Seems like a better idea than to patch together the existing slip ring assembly. It might fit better if the it more closely resembled the original: <https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=slip+ring+rotary+pancake> Maybe something like this one: <http://www.directindustry.com/prod/bgb-innovation/product-112951-1112523.html>   >domestic PCB house on how to specify the copper thickness and hard >gold plating. Doing it by design rather than some photocopy process >would insure correct alignment with the pogo pins.   Or, go back to the dark ages and make a "tape up" of the board on mylar film, probably using a drafting pen and India ink. When done, photograph and reduce the photos to film which would be sent to the PCB fab house. I'm not sure they know how to handle such dark ages technology, but it's worth a try.   Nostalgia: <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/PCB-Layout/>   >A "dry" connection does not imply no DC, by the way, it implies >very low current.   Sigh. I stand corrected: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wetting_current> However, on a slip ring device, the contact spring pressure is sufficient to break through any oxidation. Therefore, there's no need to rely on DC current to break through it.         -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Terry Schwartz <tschw10117@aol.com>: Apr 05 06:56PM -0700 > However, on a slip ring device, the contact spring pressure is > sufficient to break through any oxidation. Therefore, there's no need > to rely on DC current to break through it.   That in fact is correct -- hence better quality dry circuit switches are implemented with a wiping action set of contacts AND a low-reactivity contact material such as gold.

blisca <blisca@tiscali.it>: Apr 06 09:25AM +0200 >> in redraw the burned tracks and vias   >> Many thanks   >> Diego   The solution >> > This slip ring assembly has twelve conductors rated at 240 volts and 2 > amps. Twenty dollars US. > Eric   Thanks for the help good people, All your very interesting hints deserve to be read again with attention, and annotated. ALL the proposed solutions are very interesting I admit to ignore the existence of the slip ring that by its price and availability is worth the attempt,in parallel of possible development the PCB,maybe not from CAD->Gerbers but directly from 1:1 images. In this case if impossible to have the appropriate golden plating finishing,i could take advantage about the small difference in having 1 or 8 boards;replacing the board periodically is not so difficult and it is not a production machine that have to rotate thousand of times daily   Thanks again Diego

N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk>: Apr 06 12:44PM +0100 On 06/04/2018 02:35, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > However, on a slip ring device, the contact spring pressure is > sufficient to break through any oxidation. Therefore, there's no need > to rely on DC current to break through it.   Is it possible to mill out a bit of a groove in the broken area , to allow thicker copper strip to be set in the then shallow groove of the pcb.

etpm@whidbey.com: Apr 06 08:34AM -0700 >a production machine that have to rotate thousand of times daily   >Thanks again >Diego De nada. Eric

thekmanrocks@gmail.com: Apr 06 04:22AM -0700 wht3rd:   As long as repl. rims preserve, as near as possible, the OEM Offset, you should be good to go :)

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