Digest for sci.electronics.repair@googlegroups.com - 16 updates in 3 topics

Ralph Phillips <ralphp@philent.biz>: Mar 30 11:53AM -0500

On 3/30/2021 10:21 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
 
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Legrand-Wiremold-Corduct-5-ft-1-Channel-
> Over-Floor-Cord-Protector-Black-CDBK-5/205485211
 
> There are many variations of this.
 
To which I'd add the cheap version, Gaffer Tape.
 
(In a dire pinch, duck tape or even duct tape can be used ... )
 
RwP
"Peter W." <peterwieck33@gmail.com>: Mar 30 10:57AM -0700

On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 10:43:07 AM UTC-4, Hem Jung wrote:
> has caught it a couple of times, so not very good if I keep it the way
> it is. I see flat extension cords online, but price is too high. Maybe
> I could make one? Thanks in advance.
 
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Cordinate-10-ft-Tan-PVC-Cord-Cover-43002/203716817?MERCH=REC-_-searchViewed-_-NA-_-203716817-_-N
 
here is a 10-foot (3 meter) version, and for outdoor use:
 
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Guardian-2-Channel-Drop-Over-Cable-Protector-Ramp-for-1-375-in-Dia-Cables-DH-CR-5/313246197
 
And, there are always these:
 
https://www.gordonelectricsupply.com/p/Hubbell-Rf151Dtr-15A-125V-Brs-Floor-Box/6159433?gclid=Cj0KCQjwmIuDBhDXARIsAFITC_51myvH7a21kPkPQ3sYCF5Ufp4EaIWFHsGLCXvf1oZ9UwnYQho4sWMaAlhqEALw_wcB
 
And for the well-heeled, needing flexibility:
 
https://www.grainger.com/product/14N918?ef_id=Cj0KCQjwmIuDBhDXARIsAFITC_5OY0fCXlVrmKLTcssTWf0bmVo-wlbPkuKjG0tVISzS0zDU8qNRZSoaAoWvEALw_wcB:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!2966!3!281698275255!!!g!471571925921!&gucid=N:N:PS:Paid:GGL:CSM-2295:4P7A1P:20501231&gclid=Cj0KCQjwmIuDBhDXARIsAFITC_5OY0fCXlVrmKLTcssTWf0bmVo-wlbPkuKjG0tVISzS0zDU8qNRZSoaAoWvEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
 
We use a lot of the last for the mechanics. Good stuff!
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Rich <rich@example.invalid>: Mar 30 06:13PM

> My foot has caught it a couple of times, so not very good if I keep
> it the way it is. I see flat extension cords online, but price is
> too high. Maybe I could make one? Thanks in advance.
 
You don't state your location, but do note that at least in the USA, it
is a violation of the electrical code to utilize an extension cord as a
substitute for permanent wiring. So, if you are in the USA, and if
this is a temporary thing, you'll be ok. But if are in the USA and you
might plan to make this permanent you will fail a future electrical
inspection should one occur.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>: Mar 30 05:28PM -0400

In sci.electronics.repair, on Tue, 30 Mar 2021 10:43:04 -0400, Hem Jung
 
>Just had to power something pretty far away from the outlet and had to
>use a standard extension cord. Since this goes across the floor, I'm
>wondering if there's anything I can do to make this anti-trip? My foot
 
Put a rug over it. Even magazines or those large padded shipping
envelopes will work in a pinch.
 
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>: Mar 30 07:01PM -0400

>has caught it a couple of times, so not very good if I keep it the way
>it is. I see flat extension cords online, but price is too high. Maybe
>I could make one? Thanks in advance.
 
I sometimes run temporary cabling above human traffic, but never
anything carrying line power - There are permanent wall/cieling
outlets in the lab.
 
For short periods, I've run flexible power cable on the floor,
fixed into position at right angles to traffic by hazard tape.
 
For anything permanent, get the proper wiring done.
 
RL
Rob <nomail@example.com>: Mar 31 08:37AM

> this is a temporary thing, you'll be ok. But if are in the USA and you
> might plan to make this permanent you will fail a future electrical
> inspection should one occur.
 
Strange that such a statement would be in the code. Nothing is permanent.
"Peter W." <peterwieck33@gmail.com>: Mar 31 04:30AM -0700

On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 5:28:38 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
 
> Put a rug over it. Even magazines or those large padded shipping
> envelopes will work in a pinch.
 
This has to be one of the most insane pieces of advice ever given - excepting those from Jimmy Neutron. This approaches the quality of advice around using aluminum cans to cover holes in an automotive firewall.
 
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>: Mar 31 08:43AM -0400

>> might plan to make this permanent you will fail a future electrical
>> inspection should one occur.
 
>Strange that such a statement would be in the code. Nothing is permanent.
 
Have you read your local/national electrical code?
 
How about the warning tag on your last purchased extension cord?
 
RL
Bill Gill <billnews2@cox.net>: Mar 31 08:13AM -0500

On 3/30/2021 9:43 AM, Hem Jung wrote:
> has caught it a couple of times, so not very good if I keep it the way
> it is.  I see flat extension cords online, but price is too high.  Maybe
> I could make one?  Thanks in advance.
 
For short term use when I was displaying my book scanner at the
Tulsa Maker Faire, a one day event, I plugged the extension
cord into the provided in-the-floor outlet and then taped it to
the floor. Gaffer tape is preferred, but duct tape or even
masking tape will do.
 
Bill
Rich <rich@example.invalid>: Mar 31 01:48PM

>> future electrical inspection should one occur.
 
> Strange that such a statement would be in the code. Nothing is
> permanent.
 
https://www.memic.com/workplace-safety/safety-net-blog/2020/august/extension-attention---avoiding-extension-cord-hazards
 
National Electrical Code (NEC) does not allow extension cords in
lieu of permanent wiring (NEC 400.8(1) - 2014 Version).
 
https://www.thebuildingcodeforum.com/forum/threads/nj-nec-400-8.5437/
 
Article 400
 
Flexible Cords and Cables
 
400.8 Uses Not Permitted. Unless specifically permitted in 400.7,
flexible cords and cables shall not be used for the following:
 
(1) As a substitute for the fixed wiring of a structure
 
(2) Where run through holes in walls, structural ceilings,
suspended ceilings, dropped ceilings, or floors
 
(3) Where run through doorways, windows, or similar openings
 
(4) Where attached to building surfaces
 
Exception to (4): Flexible cord and cable shall be permitted to be
attached to building surfaces in accordance with the provisions of
368.56(B)
 
(5) Where concealed by walls, floors, or ceilings or located above
suspended or dropped ceilings
 
(6) Where installed in raceways, except as otherwise permitted in
this Code
 
(7) Where subject to physical damage
Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com>: Mar 31 02:53PM +0100

>has caught it a couple of times, so not very good if I keep it the way
>it is. I see flat extension cords online, but price is too high. Maybe
>I could make one? Thanks in advance.
 
I have seen flat mains extension cable for under carpets at £69 a
meter. I wouldn't trust it with powered carpet tacking tools.
 
Steve
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http://www.npsnn.com
Rob <nomail@example.com>: Mar 31 02:34PM


> (6) Where installed in raceways, except as otherwise permitted in
> this Code
 
> (7) Where subject to physical damage
 
Ok the second one refers to "fixed" and elaborates that use cases where
it would be like the fixed wiring are not permitted, that is reasonable.
 
The first one probably should have read "in lieu of fixed wiring".
Rob <nomail@example.com>: Mar 31 02:36PM


>>Strange that such a statement would be in the code. Nothing is permanent.
 
> Have you read your local/national electrical code?
 
> How about the warning tag on your last purchased extension cord?
 
I have not purchased extension cords for several decades, but one that
I have here does not mention that, it only mentions that it should
only be used unrolled.
 
Of course I understand the use cases for extension cords, but I think
the use of the word "permanent" is strange and vague, because nothing
is ever permanent, and temporary solutions often last a long time
(longer than some permanent ones!)
Rich <rich@example.invalid>: Mar 31 02:58PM

> where it would be like the fixed wiring are not permitted, that is
> reasonable.
 
> The first one probably should have read "in lieu of fixed wiring".
 
Yes, "in lieu of fixed wiring" would have used the wording from the NEC
section.
 
Instead, it was using the "not easily removed" sub-definition of
"permanant" (item 2(a) at the URL below):
 
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/permanent
jaugustine@verizon.net: Mar 31 07:30AM -0500

Hi,
 
I have a few old VCRs. I use one with my new UHD 49" Samsung
TV that has NO AV input.
 
I bought a AV to HDMI converter from Amazon.
 
ISSUE:
 
Sometimes, when I switch the source to the HDMI with the VCR (HDMI
converter) to watch a tape, the picture has poor contrast when I play a tape.
Note: At first, there is NOISE due to the VCR's analog tuner.
 
SOLUTION:
 
Change the VCR's signal source from it's tuner to AV. I have a Comcast
cable converter with AV output. I use a short cable from the converter's
video output to the VCR's video input.
 
John
bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net>: Mar 31 02:47AM


> Speed Queen still makes a commercial quality washer available to consumers. It costs more, a lot more, but sometimes you get what you pay for.
 
I _really_ hope that's true, because I ended up buying a Speed Queen.
Whether I fell for the hype or made a good choice will take a long time
to learn. Price was roughly the same from the local dealer as for an on
line purchase, the dealer has a parts and service department that maybe
will be helpful. For even money, I went local.
 
> The best way to have clothes last longer while still getting them clean is supposed to be cold water, long presoak, and short wash cycle.
 
I'd suggest that tumble drying is a major source of wear; just look in
the lint trap. A short wash cycle won't hurt, if it gets things clean
enough. On that basis I elected to keep the old dryer, which is almost
never used, and spend the savings on a better washing machine.
 
The service manual question is still unresolved. I did notice that
Dexter Laundry puts their manuals on-line gratis, but they don't
have much of a dealer network and the machines are rather large.
If there's need, maybe my dealer's service department will help.
 
Thanks to everybody who replied, this was a most interesting thread!
 
bob prohaska
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