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TOPIC: TVs compatible, from one continent to the next??
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/38d677af192b8653?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 8:45 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
>
> In article <BKWdnaM807JGS7bQnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > People who never worked in the industry have no clue. They generally
> > used the cheapest imported TV they could find, then bitched about it.
> > If they ever saw the video from a TK-46 with a set of new Plumbicons on
> > a $7,000 studio monitor, they would shoot their digital TVs.
>
> Well, yes. But take that same camera outdoors where you haven't got full
> control over the lighting... Oh - and what were the pictures like at
> switch on, before an hours worth of line-up?

It took about six minutes to set up the camera for the ambient
lighting. The rest of the mechanical and electrical setup was very
stable, usually only requiring annual touchup, or a full setup when
installing new Plumbicons.

> Luckily, modern cameras are far more suited to use outside of a studio.

Sure, but they are designed to be used by total idiots. They don't
have the contrast ratio, or other positive characteristics of Plumbicon
cameras. What killed Plumbicons was their size of the camera, and the
$14,000+ price tag on a new set of matched tubes. Use a set of $50,000
lenses on a TK 46 and you'll know what I'm talking about.

> Other thing is control room monitors (Grade 1) are designed for close
> viewing, so generally in the smaller sizes. Nor have I ever seen a
> widescreen CRT with decent geometry and registration. Control room CRTs
> even for widescreen were still 4:3, but underscanned, making the small
> size even more of an issue.

Our control room used 25 to 30 inch monitors. Underscan was
switchable. A mask was used with lines to show the hot area for cheap,
overscanned TV sets. Tell us, how many US TV stations did you work at
as an engineer? How many state of the art NTSC studios have you built?
How many years of maintaining a commercial US TV station?

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 8:50 am
From: "Dave Plowman (News)"

In article <Uo-dncHSW7QwG7HQnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > If you have any form of strobe lighting - like fluorescent - you can
> > get such effects. Regardless of a frame rate of 25 or 30 Hz. But few
> > in the US would use fluorescent lighting in the same room as their TV.

> Really? Then all those fluorescent lamps were fakes? I statrted
> using them over 40 years ago.

Ah - sorry. I just assumed the majority in the US had taste.

--
*It ain't the size, it's... er... no, it IS ..the size.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 9:01 am
From: "Dave Plowman (News)"

In article <Uo-dncDSW7SUGrHQnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
> >
> > In article <HLadnRpsbYA0brbQnZ2dnUVZ_hidnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael
> > A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > Want to bet? What I've seen of PAL on multi standard TVs & VCRs
> > > was a sick joke. A man who owned a bunch of Greek restaurants in
> > > lake County, Fl. imported the pair, and his relatives sent him a
> > > steady stream of PAL tapes. They all looked like shit. They were
> > > commercial tapes, not recorded OTA.
> >
> > You judge a system off domestic tapes? I've also no idea of the
> > technical standards of such Greek produced stuff. Did you do the same
> > with UK or German?

> The tapes were fropm all over Europe.

Don't care where they were from - you can't judge any system using
domestic tapes of those days. I'm beginning to wonder about your personal
standards if you think you can.

>
> > The BBC did extensive testing before introducing colour. In the first
> > instance with NTSC RCA cameras. Huge things with 3" IO tubes. Had a
> > modification of NTSC to say 625 50 Hz been the way forward, they'd not
> > have adopted (and been part of the design) of PAL.

> Image Orthicons? That figures.

Just when do you think colour cameras stopped using them? The plumbicon
wasn't invented until '60.

--
*Dance like nobody's watching.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 9:32 am
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:46:36 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <9n0oi6hlk9gi4acqlc3b7q880hgi55bc7j@4ax.com>,
> Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>> >The reason that everyone did not have a universal TV set was because
>> >the price was kept lower with single system sets and countries like the
>> >UK, which made a substansial income from the TV license did not want
>> >you watching tv from France or the Republic of Ireland for free.
>
>> I ran into something like that when I "visited" Israel in the early
>> 1970's.
>
>The UK isn't Israel.

I know. I just wanted to highlight the political aspects of video
compatibility. If I had time, I would have ranted a bit about the FCC
decision to go with 8VSB instead of COFDM. The short version is that
the FCC would accept anything that was NOT compatible with whetever
Europe (or Japan) was deploying.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 9:57 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
>
> In article <Uo-dncHSW7QwG7HQnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > If you have any form of strobe lighting - like fluorescent - you can
> > > get such effects. Regardless of a frame rate of 25 or 30 Hz. But few
> > > in the US would use fluorescent lighting in the same room as their TV.
>
> > Really? Then all those fluorescent lamps were fakes? I statrted
> > using them over 40 years ago.
>
> Ah - sorry. I just assumed the majority in the US had taste.

Am I to assume that no one in the UK has any taste? Or teeth?

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 10:02 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
>
> In article <Uo-dncDSW7SUGrHQnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <HLadnRpsbYA0brbQnZ2dnUVZ_hidnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael
> > > A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > > Want to bet? What I've seen of PAL on multi standard TVs & VCRs
> > > > was a sick joke. A man who owned a bunch of Greek restaurants in
> > > > lake County, Fl. imported the pair, and his relatives sent him a
> > > > steady stream of PAL tapes. They all looked like shit. They were
> > > > commercial tapes, not recorded OTA.
> > >
> > > You judge a system off domestic tapes? I've also no idea of the
> > > technical standards of such Greek produced stuff. Did you do the same
> > > with UK or German?
>
> > The tapes were fropm all over Europe.
>
> Don't care where they were from - you can't judge any system using
> domestic tapes of those days. I'm beginning to wonder about your personal
> standards if you think you can.

Yawn. More America bashing. Commercially produced European tapes on
European VCR & TV.

> > > The BBC did extensive testing before introducing colour. In the first
> > > instance with NTSC RCA cameras. Huge things with 3" IO tubes. Had a
> > > modification of NTSC to say 625 50 Hz been the way forward, they'd not
> > > have adopted (and been part of the design) of PAL.
>
> > Image Orthicons? That figures.
>
> Just when do you think colour cameras stopped using them? The plumbicon
> wasn't invented until '60.

I have no idea when the BBC quit using them, but Image Orthicons were
short lived in the US. The RCA TK-44 was a vidicon color camera. The
TK 46 was the same camera, but using Plumbicons. Image Orthicons
required a lot more light, and didn't provide as clean of an image as
the Vidicons. A Plumbicon is a Vidicon with a lead oxide faceplate.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 11:14 am
From: Meat Plow

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 22:57:53 -0500, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

> Sjouke Burry wrote:
>>
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> > William Sommerwerck wrote:
>> >>>>> I doubt that any American member of this group has adjusted the
>> >>>>> Hue control on their NTSC set for at least 30 years.
>> >>>> True. US receivers use the VIR (Vertical Interval Reference) on
>> >>>> line 20 for chroma phase correction to automagically correct both
>> >>>> static and differential phase errors. I think this started in
>> >>>> about 1980.
>> >> ??? How can the reference signal correct a differential phase error?
>> >
>> >
>> > PLL circuits allowed the signals to remain in sync.
>> >
>> >
>> >>> ** So fucking what ?????????????????? NTSC color started in the
>> >>> USA in the early 1950s.
>> >>> The famous irreverent NTSC acronym way predates 1980. You stupid,
>> >>> fucking cunthead.
>> >> The point being that the problems with NTSC had nothing to do with
>> >> the design of the system, but the failure of the networks to
>> >> establish high standards of image and signal quality. As these were
>> >> gradually put into place, the supposed "inherent problems" with NTSC
>> >> gradually disappeared. This WAS NOT due to the use of VIR on
>> >> consumer receivers. VIR was primarily to catch and correct problems
>> >> along the signal chain.
>> >>
>> >> The lie that PAL is somehow inherently superior to NTSC refuses to
>> >> die. NTSC is the "better" system. Period.
>> >
>> >
>> NTSC-->Never The Same Color?????????
>> People with green faces, and mangenta sky's? Any time we saw a news
>> item with a bit of American tv in it, it looked like shit.
>
>
> So it's our fault that your network wasn't capable of doing proper
> video conversion? Did you ever stop to think that they just didn't give
> a damn, and making it look bad made their other crap look better?

How did this devolve into a PAL/NTSC pissing match? From what little TV I
watch in the evening, HD channels on TWC, I think the color rendering is
perfect. And NTSC DVD video is the same. So what's the problem here? A
lack of real things to argue about?

--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 12:24 pm
From: "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"

Meat Plow wrote:
> How did this devolve into a PAL/NTSC pissing match? From what little TV I
> watch in the evening, HD channels on TWC, I think the color rendering is
> perfect. And NTSC DVD video is the same. So what's the problem here? A
> lack of real things to argue about?

It got there because there had to be some justification over which system
was chosen other than the country next door did something else. Then it
devoloved from ignorance of existance of multisystem TVs and VCRs into
justification why they could not exist.

To summarize, by 1985 I had bought, in Philadelphia (USA) the following:
TV set, 19 inch, 25 inch and 14 inch and VHS and BETA VCRS which would play
and record NTSC/60 3.57, NTSC/60 4.43, PAL/50, PAL/60 (TV only) and
SECAM/50 video. Tuners for NTSC, European PAL, UK PAL and non French SECAM
(aka Middle East SECAM).

In 1987 I added a VCR that would record and play PAL/60 and French SECAM.

In 1992 I added a VCR that would do digital conversions between any of the
above.

Geoff.
--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to misquote it.

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TOPIC: OT: scope recommendations?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/945010a432810e85?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 9:33 am
From: George Herold

On Jan 11, 8:38 am, Smitty Two <prestwh...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In article <djeei65go3b9sa9p3rb0mku609jfef5...@4ax.com>,
> Rich Webb <bbew...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:
>
>
>
> > PC-based USB-interfaced 'scopes tend not to have stellar sample rates.
> > There's usually a note in the fine print that the advertised sample rate
> > is "equivalent time sampling" which is okay for repetitive waveforms but
> > not so much for single event captures -- and single events are one of
> > the nice things you get with digital scopes.
>
> Noted, thanks.
>
>
>
> > GW Instek and Rigol each have reasonably-priced 100 MHz, 1 Gsps dual
> > channel models that could be a starting point for comparison
> >http://www.tequipment.net/InstekGDS-2102.html
> >http://www.tequipment.net/RigolDS1102E.html
>
> A tad spendy for his needs and budgets, but I appreciate the suggestions.

I've got a 50MHz Rigol that I like. DS1052. $400.00

We bought OWON for a bit less, But I would stay away from that one.

George H.

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TOPIC: Microwave timer/clock 4 digit 7-segmnt display is out. Timer works fine.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/f9d37ccd9c82199e?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 9:41 am
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 23:05:57 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>
>> Red is LED. Orange could be vacuum fluorescent or LED. I'll be on
>> LED.

> It could also be an orange VFD behind a red filter.

Touche. Actually, I think we both goofed. Vacuum fluorescent
displays were blue-green and aren't made in orange or red. However,
plasma discharge displays were red or orange. Maybe one of the exotic
incandescent 7 segment displays? This gives a good survey of the
available display technologies:
<http://www.vintagecalculators.com/html/calculator_display_technology.html>

As for my cooking (or warming), everything I try to cook or warm is an
experiment. Sometimes it works, but more often not. Some of it is
actually edible. Maybe if I read and follow the instructions?

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 10:06 am
From: "Angelo Campanella"

"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:igh3nm$i55$1@news.eternal-september.org...

> So what are some of the numbers on the chips inside and any numbers seen
> on
> the sides of the display/s ?

I managed to pry out 7-segment digit #2 chip for inspection.

It's an HP 5082-7730 609-C, 19mm x 10 mm, 14-pin (3 missing) pluggable chip.

It has a matte face, transparent at the 7 segments to interior solid state
material.

The bottom side is filled with clear pink potting where a PC board holding
the pins is visible.

Ange

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 10:10 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 23:05:57 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >>
> >> Red is LED. Orange could be vacuum fluorescent or LED. I'll be on
> >> LED.
>
> > It could also be an orange VFD behind a red filter.
>
> Touche. Actually, I think we both goofed. Vacuum fluorescent
> displays were blue-green and aren't made in orange or red. However,
> plasma discharge displays were red or orange. Maybe one of the exotic
> incandescent 7 segment displays?

The RCA Numitron? I may still have a datasheet. I considered them
for a portable homebrew frequency counter, till I saw how much power
they wasted. I ended up using 10 VFD display tubes with wire leads.
After assembly, I used a thin line of contact cement to keep them
aligned. I built my first switching power supply to provide all the
required voltages. This was in the late '70s or early '80s

> This gives a good survey of the available display technologies:
> <http://www.vintagecalculators.com/html/calculator_display_technology.html>
>
> As for my cooking (or warming), everything I try to cook or warm is an
> experiment. Sometimes it works, but more often not. Some of it is
> actually edible. Maybe if I read and follow the instructions?

I use a crock pot for a lot of cooking.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

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TOPIC: What's wrong with high humidity?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/01fadf8338789066?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 9:48 am
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 02:22:59 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>mm wrote:
>>
>> To sci.electronics.repair
>>
>> Most electronic things are rated wrt humidity, but it never mattered
>> to me before. Now something I might actually want** has a maximum
>> operating humidity of 80%, and I am pretty sure it gets that humid
>> here sometimes. (I rarely use my AC and it's broken now anyhow.)
>>
>> So what's wrong with high humidity? What won't it do, and why? I've
>> had high humidity all my life for part of the summer, and I don't
>> remember anything not working.

> Condensation when the temperature drops.

Yep. Also a tendency to increase leakage in hydroscopic and
hydrophilic components such as some film capacitors, phenolic circuit
boards, paper insulators, paper speaker grills, some microphone
elements, and some carbon comp resistors. I designed marine radios
for too many years and water absorption was a serious consideration.
We even designed most radios with vertically mounted boards to prevent
condensation from puddling. In humid climates, there was the added
bonus of mold and mildew. I've had to clean out radios that looked
like a biology experiement gone wild.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 10:11 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 02:22:59 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >mm wrote:
> >>
> >> To sci.electronics.repair
> >>
> >> Most electronic things are rated wrt humidity, but it never mattered
> >> to me before. Now something I might actually want** has a maximum
> >> operating humidity of 80%, and I am pretty sure it gets that humid
> >> here sometimes. (I rarely use my AC and it's broken now anyhow.)
> >>
> >> So what's wrong with high humidity? What won't it do, and why? I've
> >> had high humidity all my life for part of the summer, and I don't
> >> remember anything not working.
>
> > Condensation when the temperature drops.
>
> Yep. Also a tendency to increase leakage in hydroscopic and
> hydrophilic components such as some film capacitors, phenolic circuit
> boards, paper insulators, paper speaker grills, some microphone
> elements, and some carbon comp resistors. I designed marine radios
> for too many years and water absorption was a serious consideration.
> We even designed most radios with vertically mounted boards to prevent
> condensation from puddling. In humid climates, there was the added
> bonus of mold and mildew. I've had to clean out radios that looked
> like a biology experiement gone wild.

I did QA on the PRC-77 manpack radio. One test was a pressure test
under three feet of water, then you had to open the case and look for
any signs of moisture.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

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TOPIC: test
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/eec33647a4783c79?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 10:00 am
From: "Angelo Campanella"

test

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 10:11 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Angelo Campanella wrote:
>
> test

D+ ;-)

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 1:58 pm
From: Jeffrey Angus

On 1/11/2011 12:00 PM, Angelo Campanella wrote:
> test

UR 59 in TX QSL?

Jeff

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TOPIC: Manuals From Vintage Manuals Schematic Heathkit Heath
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 10:16 am
From: "Wild_Bill"

In case anyone was interested, I received a manual from Vintage Manuals
recently, which arrived within 2 days by U.S. Postal Service Priority Mail.
Thanks for the tip, John.

http://www.vintagemanuals.com/

The particular manual is for the Heathkit Universal Counter mentioned
previously.

The quality of the manual is first class, a near-perfect reproduction of the
original Heath manual with full operational info, circuit descriptions,
parts list, and fold-out schematics.
The only portion that isn't identical to a typical Heath manual, is the
x-ray views of the circuit boards, which are grey/pink (to distinguish the
traces on top/bottom sides of a double-sided board) and the reproduction
images are black and shades of grey, but legible.
There's a long plastic spine gizmo, so the pages lay flat (unlike stapled
booklets/manuals).
The front and rear covers are a heavier stock, of yellowish/light tan paper,
much like original Heath manuals.

So, it's like having a new original.. 45 pages, plus two copies of the
schematics (4 additional fold-out pages) manual. I dunno if all, or many of
their manuals are the same as this, but I guess I'll have a clue next time I
buy from them.

--
Cheers,
WB
.............

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TOPIC: DVD help needed
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/274096132919175e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 11:24 am
From: Meat Plow

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 02:22:24 +0000, Keith wrote:

> All:
> I have attempted to view a new DVD (with DVD-Video and it's subsequent
> AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS
> folders) someone sent me; but, it does the following. It cannot be
> played on my two Samsung Blu Ray players or on my Philips DVD
> recorder/player. I try to play it in either one of my DVD
> burners/players in my HP PC with Kubuntu 10.10 and Windows 7; but, it
> only plays when I click on "All" and not on "Selected Episodes".
> I have edited out the Menu and have copied all the four titles to
> another DVD. Again, the same things
> happen to me.
> Any ideas about why this DVD would do this?
>
>
> Keith

You need the files that tell the player things about titles/chapters/
menus. These are known as navigation files ending in .IFO
If you just stick the VOB container files in VIDEO_TS this is not
good enough and don't stand much chance playing on anything but a PC and
only if you click on the VOB files and they are associated with a multi
media player that can play them.

http://club.myce.com/f62/tutorial-dvd-video-file-structure-77646/

--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

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TOPIC: OT--Actual elecytronics repair question
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/t/1c7563aead5e20a6?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 11:31 am
From: Meat Plow

Yaesu VX-5R tri-band hand held. Momentary contact power on/off button.

I've owned this radio for 9 or 10 years. Recently I have to push several
times on this rubber on/off button to get the radio to come on. But it
always takes just one touch to turn it off. And the radio works fine
otherwise including all the other buttons. Just have to play around
pressing the button maybe three/four/five times. Sometimes it powers on
when pressed once! But always shuts off with just one easy push.
This indicates to me that it's not a problem with button contact but
rather a microprocessor problem.

Discuss.

--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 12:01 pm
From: PeterD

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:31:52 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow
<mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Yaesu VX-5R tri-band hand held. Momentary contact power on/off button.
>
>I've owned this radio for 9 or 10 years. Recently I have to push several
>times on this rubber on/off button to get the radio to come on. But it
>always takes just one touch to turn it off. And the radio works fine
>otherwise including all the other buttons. Just have to play around
>pressing the button maybe three/four/five times. Sometimes it powers on
>when pressed once! But always shuts off with just one easy push.
>This indicates to me that it's not a problem with button contact but
>rather a microprocessor problem.
>
>Discuss.

Discuss? OK here you go (pay attention to the last paragraph, it's
important):

Many statisticians would agree that, had it not been for the UNIVAC
computer, the emulation of flip-flop gates might never have occurred.
Given the current status of efficient archetypes, information
theorists urgently desire the development of information retrieval
systems. The notion that hackers worldwide collude with SCSI disks is
mostly considered essential [1]. Thus, e-business and replicated
configurations are entirely at odds with the synthesis of flip-flop
gates.

Motivated by these observations, flexible algorithms and web browsers
have been extensively constructed by cryptographers. Daringly enough,
indeed, cache coherence and Markov models have a long history of
collaborating in this manner. Nevertheless, this method is generally
considered confusing. This combination of properties has not yet been
deployed in related work.

In order to accomplish this aim, we verify not only that Boolean logic
and 802.11 mesh networks are mostly incompatible, but that the same is
true for cache coherence. For example, many heuristics store the
deployment of active networks. The drawback of this type of approach,
however, is that the foremost large-scale algorithm for the
development of courseware [2] is in Co-NP. Two properties make this
solution different: our algorithm learns the exploration of Byzantine
fault tolerance, and also Strand locates stochastic theory. Existing
distributed and distributed systems use the UNIVAC computer to manage
randomized algorithms. As a result, we see no reason not to use
semantic archetypes to measure atomic information.

Another extensive grand challenge in this area is the study of
802.11b. the disadvantage of this type of method, however, is that
multi-processors and sensor networks can interact to accomplish this
goal. the basic tenet of this solution is the analysis of SMPs. Though
conventional wisdom states that this obstacle is rarely solved by the
development of superblocks, we believe that a different solution is
necessary.

Regarless the authors have seen similar occurances where turn on
failures were related to a necessary time constant that was not
required on turn off phases. Such a time constant was not present as
the switch contacts seemed to fail, such as might happen after many
years of continious use.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 1:18 pm
From: "Gareth Magennis"

"Meat Plow" <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2011.01.11.19.31.34@lmao.lol.lol...
> Yaesu VX-5R tri-band hand held. Momentary contact power on/off button.
>
> I've owned this radio for 9 or 10 years. Recently I have to push several
> times on this rubber on/off button to get the radio to come on. But it
> always takes just one touch to turn it off. And the radio works fine
> otherwise including all the other buttons. Just have to play around
> pressing the button maybe three/four/five times. Sometimes it powers on
> when pressed once! But always shuts off with just one easy push.
> This indicates to me that it's not a problem with button contact but
> rather a microprocessor problem.
>
> Discuss.
>

Could be a microprocessor controlled delay programme whereby you have to
hold the on button on for longer to turn it on, than the off button to turn
it off. Perhaps because it is more important to screen out accidental ons
than accidental offs.

And/Or, If the button is dirty, and thus resets its state randomly/rapidly
during a single press, perhaps this results in favour of the Off debounce
and/or delay routines rather than the "On" routines.

Dunno, just a guess.

Gareth.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 11:47 am
From: "Chris F."

A customer just brought this set in, complaining that it shuts down
intermittently... sometimes after a few minutes, sometimes after a few
hours. My first thought is to check for bad caps in the power supply, but
while I'm doing that, I thought I'd see if anyone here has any experience
with these and could perhaps point out something I should look for.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 11 2011 11:55 am
From: PeterD

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:57:14 -0500, JW <none@dev.null> wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:39:46 -0500 PeterD <peter2@hipson.net> wrote in
>Message id: <7bnoi69f6jmmtpd09ltrk6nrsn07q3m6cg@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:42:23 -0500, JW <none@dev.null> wrote:
>>
>>>>...
>>>>
>>>>You're admitting you are a troll?
>>>
>>>No.
>>
>>Wrong on that point, troll boy.
>>
>>>
>>>>Or that the entire thread was a
>>>>troll (which is likely)?
>>>
>>>No.
>>
>>Wrong on that point, troll boy.
>>
>>>
>>>>Claiming I'm a troll? <g>
>>>
>>>Yes.
>>
>>Wrong on that point, troll boy.
>>
>>>
>>>>Or is it that if
>>>>someone posts something you don't agree with a troller?
>>>
>>>No.
>>
>>Wrong on that point, troll boy.
>>
>>Wow, totally wrong... Why am I not surprised?
>
>
> Troll-O-Meter
>
> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
>
> *----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+-----*
> .^.
> / | \
> |
>
>Not very subtle. Try harder next time.

I got one too, and put your posts on it, and got:

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J. Orfanidis
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