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TOPIC: Pet hates ?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 12:45 am
From: "N_Cook"

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> N_Cook wrote:
> >
> > Ron D. <ron.dozier@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:3704567b-3469-47f5-af0f-4251da36f1d8@17g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > > heat sink goop
> > >
> > > cars with both metric and english fasteners
> > >
> > > bristol spline srews
> >
> > Could you describe a "bristol spline screw" Google-images no help other
than
> > they are used on 30KV rated relays
>
>
> Bristol was used in electronic equipment build by the US during
> W.W.-II.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrench, almost half way down the page.
>
> http://www.bristolwrench.com/ still makes them.
>
> http://www.bristolwrench.com/spline.pdf
>
> They are availible from a lot of industrial tool dealers.
>
> A lot of people called them 'Spline Wrenches' instead of Bristol
> Wrenches.
>
>
> --
> You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
> Teflon coated.

There is a UK tool supplier called Britool confusingly

Never realised there was so many spline types, Pentalobe etc

Protruding obstacle variants ? pipped is a much more succinct term

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 6:29 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> As a former member of the Anti Digit Dialing League and fan of The
> Prisoner (I am not a number...), I find the whole effort amusing.
> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,827416,00.html

Stan Freberg wrote a song excoriating all-digit dialing, for which he was
criticized as reactionary.

However, a telephone "number" is still a number -- that has nothing to do
with you as a human being -- whether it has a word or number exchange.

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TOPIC: Yamaha EMX5016 mixer amp from 2006
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 2:22 am
From: "N_Cook"

Gareth Magennis <sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ii399v$g2v$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> > N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:ii1n90$ii1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> repair m on e-S and there is an inverter stuck in before the R ch o/p,
> >> not
> >> for the L
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Is it just for evening up the ps?. If a momentary high draw from one PA
on
> > +/ve rail dropping reservoir by 1V then also a matching 1V drop on
the -ve
> > rail from the other ch, wheras usually that would be a 2V drop on + rail
> > only
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Yes there is a specific reason/technique involved in running the outputs
> "out of phase" and inverting the signal to one channel.
> Yamaha also do this with the Stagepas range, Lab Gruppen do this with
their
> far more pro series of amps. There are others. You can get more out of
> the power supply by doing this.
>
>
> I personally consider the technique fundamentally extremely dodgy, since
the
> "ground" connection on one of the amplifiers is actually live, which is
not
> at all obvious to anyone not in the know. In the case of the Stagepas,
you
> have 2 speaker jack outputs next to each other. Plug in 2 metal jack
plugs
> to your speakers and you have the almost unimaginable situation of 2 jack
> plug bodies a few mm apart, with a power amplifiers output between them.
> If you use right angled metal jack plugs, a dead short and a blown amp is
> pretty much a certainty at some point, as is accidentally touching
anything
> grounded against the one live speaker output jack plug body "ground"
>
>
>
> Gareth.
>
>
>
>

Not rectified mains , EMI filtered mains. If I see this amp again I will try
running reduced via variac to see if there is some imbalnce reflected in L
and R channel throughput or metering. Reported as loss in volume , rather
than clipping, for a while and then drop out of L ch , and reflected in
meter reading. Owner thought a problem at speakon connectors as waggling
there affected the signal. No problems on that board but a cable tie
mechanically connected the board to those downstream mains delivery wires
going to the problem spades.

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TOPIC: motherboard pwr_on pins resistance?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 2:31 am
From: JW

On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:41:31 -0800 (PST) mynick <anglomont@yahoo.com>
wrote in Message id:
<6f699d26-f903-445e-ac94-e05697ed5d5d@d12g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>:

>so in modern mobos the on switch grounds a pulled up line, straight to
>southbridge

The term southbridge is pretty much dead now. Today it's usually referred
to as the ICH or I/O controller hub.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 3:47 am
From: Paul

mynick wrote:

>
> thanks for great explanation
> so in modern mobos the on switch grounds a pulled up line, straight to
> southbridge
> (Possibly there is a Schmitt trigger/inverter in between the two)

Using an ohmmeter, between PWR and PS_ON#, doesn't tell you anything.
There is a silicon chip in the way.

Paul

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 7:42 am
From: "John Keiser"

Paul,
If I may impose on your knowledge of PSUs, can you help me with an earlier
post?

I have a Acer Verition M460 [AMI BIOS R01-C3] with WindowsXP SP3.
I had the CMOS set to wake and boot every morning. Worked fine for several
years.
Then intermittent, now not at all.
In the morning the power light is on and the NIC light is sometimes on.
Screen has no info and the PC has stopped short of actually booting [so
Event Viewer has no info]. I simply hold the power button 3 seconds and
repower up. Always successful.
Time/date is accurate but I changed the CMOS battery and re-enabled the RTC
alarm.
I also changed the PSU.
No joy.
Obviously not a major issue but I am curious, any idea why this is
happening?
Thank you.

"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
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> mynick wrote:
>
>>
>> thanks for great explanation
>> so in modern mobos the on switch grounds a pulled up line, straight to
>> southbridge
>> (Possibly there is a Schmitt trigger/inverter in between the two)
>
> +5VSB +5VSB
> | |
> Pullup Pullup
> Resistor Resistor
> | PS_ON# |
> PWR X----+---- Motherboard logic ---- Open -------------------+- ...
> Collector (to
> GND X----+ Driver ATX +
> | supply) |
> (Front GMD GND
> Panel
> Switch)
>
> Using an ohmmeter, between PWR and PS_ON#, doesn't tell you anything.
> There is a silicon chip in the way.
>
> Paul

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TOPIC: OT: A joke
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 3:19 am
From: JW

Got this in an email, figured some might enjoy this one.

Dear Diary

August 15 - Moved to our new home in Massachusetts. It's so beautiful
here. The lake looks so majestic. I can hardly wait to see it snow
covered. I'm going to love it here!

October 14 - Massachusetts is definitely the most beautiful place on
earth. The leaves have turned all the colors and shades of red and orange.
Went for a ride through the park and saw some deer. They are so graceful.
Certainly they are the most wonderful animals on earth. This must be
paradise, I LOVE IT HERE!!

November 10 - Deer season will start soon. I can't imagine anyone wanting
to kill such a gorgeous animal. Hope it will snow soon. I love it here.
Those red and orange leaves have covered my yard. Looks like a magnificent
multicolored carpet. HOW BEAUTIFUL. Raking and cleaning up the yard will
be an opportunity for invigorating exercise in the cool crisp air.

November 15 - Ah, more leaves and more exercise.

November 18 - Jesus, still more leaves. Guess it's best to wait until
they've all fallen before I rake again.

November 25 - Finally, all of the trees lost their leaves and with today's
final raking it's over for this season.
Chiropractor suggested I use a lawn maintenance service next year. Only
four blisters became infected. Should probably remember to use gloves.

November 30 - What the fuck? Where did all of those leaves come from? Had
a little wind last night and the lawn is covered again. Oh well, they'll
just have to wait until spring.

December 12 - It snowed last night, FINALLY. Woke up to find everything
blanketed in white. It looks like a postcard. We went outside and cleaned
the snow off the steps and shoveled the driveway. Had a snowball fight (I
won) and when the snowplow came by and we had to shovel the end of the
driveway again.
What a beautiful place. I Love Massachusetts!

December 14 - More snow last night, I love it. The snow plow did his trick
to the driveway again. I Love it here.

December 19 - More snow again last night. Can't get out of the driveway.
Can't to get to work. I'm exhausted from shoveling. Fucking snowplow.

December 22 - More of that white shit fell again last night. As if dealing
with the leaves weren't bad enough, now I've got blisters all over my
hands from shoveling, must remember to wear gloves. I think the snowplow
hides around the corner and waits until I'm finished shoveling the
driveway. The asshole.

December 25 - Merry Fucking Christmas. More frigging snow. If I ever get
my hands on that son-of-a-bitch who drives the snowplow, I swear I'll kill
the bastard. Don't know why they don't use more salt on the roads to melt
the fucking ice.

December 27 - More white shit last night. Have been inside for three days
except for shoveling out the driveway after that plow goes through every
time. Fucking gloves got wet and then froze on my hands.
Doctor said it was just a mild case of frost bite, disfiguration is
probably only temporary. Can't go anywhere, car is stuck in a mountain of
white shit. The weatherman says to expect another 10 inches of the shit
tonight. Do you know how many shovels full of snow 10 inches is?

December 28 - The fucking weatherman was wrong. We got 34 inches of that
white shit. At this rate it won't melt 'till summer. The plow got stuck
up the road and the bastard came to the door and asked to borrow a shovel.
After I told him I'd already broken six of them shoveling all the shit he
pushed into the driveway, I broke my last one on his fucking head.

January 4 - Finally got out of the house today. Went to the store to get
food and on the way back I hit a damned deer that ran in front of my car.
Did about $3000 damage. Fucking beasts should be killed. Wish the
hunters had killed them all last November.

May 3 - Took the car to the garage in town. The thing is rusting out from
all the fucking salt they put all over the roads.

May 10 - Moved to St. Augustine, Florida. I can't imagine why anyone in
their right mind would ever live in that God forsaken state of
Massachusetts with a bunch of MASSHOLES!!!

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 4:45 am
From: Bob Villa

On Feb 1, 5:19 am, JW <n...@dev.null> wrote:

Kinda old...how about a Steelers story?

One day, while driving along, I saw a priest.

I thought I would do a good deed, so I pulled over and asked the
priest,
"Where are you going Father?"

"I'm going to give mass at St. Francis Church, about 2 miles down the
road," replied the priest.

"Climb in, Father! I'll give you a lift!"

The priest climbed into the rear passenger seat, and we continued down
the road.

Suddenly, I saw a Pittsburgh fan walking down the road, with that "P"
shirt
on and I instinctively swerved as if to hit him. But, as usual, I
swerved back
into the road just in time.

Even though I was certain that I had missed the guy, I still heard a
loud "THUD."

Not understanding where the noise ame from, I glanced in my mirrors
but still
didn't see anything.

I then remembered the priest, and turned to the priest
and said,

"Sorry Father, I almost hit that Pittsburgh fan."

"That's OK," replied the priest, "I got him with the door."

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 5:06 am
From: mm

On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 06:19:54 -0500, JW <none@dev.null> wrote:

>
>November 25 - Finally, all of the trees lost their leaves and with today's
>final raking it's over for this season.
>Chiropractor suggested I use a lawn maintenance service next year. Only
>four blisters became infected. Should probably remember to use gloves.

It is rather funny, but I solve such problem differently. I'm sorry
that it's not funny.

I wait until the leaves have fallen and mow the lawn with the grass
output closed. It chops up all the dry leaves until they fall between
the grass and you can't even see them and comes close with the not dry
leaves. If you don't have a mulching attachment, you can tape a
business size envelope or a piece of cardboard over the outlet. It
works just as well.

My neighbors rake and plastic bag the leaves and put them
out for the garbage man who fills landfills sith them. They
also bag the grass cuttings. What a waste. And it fertilizes
the soil to put everything back where it came from.

As to snow, when I was a teenager, we had a 120 foot driveway. I just
shoveled a path for each tire and it was up to my mother to follow
them. She did. Also the sidewalk, just wide enough to walk.

My neighbors all shovel the whole width of the driveway and
the whole width of the sidewalks. even though no law requires it.
I think they're silly.

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 5:30 am
From: PeterD

On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:06:45 -0500, mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

>
>As to snow, when I was a teenager, we had a 120 foot driveway. I just
>shoveled a path for each tire and it was up to my mother to follow
>them. She did. Also the sidewalk, just wide enough to walk.

That would not work around here--when the snow gets to 30 to 40 inches
deep that two tire track won't work one bit. <g>

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 6:32 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> January 4 - Finally got out of the house today. Went to the
> store to get food and on the way back I hit a damned deer
> that ran in front of my car. Did about $3000 damage. Fucking
> beasts should be killed. Wish the hunters had killed them all
> last November.

Deer are a kind of forest vermin that serve no useful purpose other than as
wolf fodder.

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 6:53 am
From: John Larkin

On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:30:35 -0500, PeterD <peter2@hipson.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:06:45 -0500, mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>>
>>As to snow, when I was a teenager, we had a 120 foot driveway. I just
>>shoveled a path for each tire and it was up to my mother to follow
>>them. She did. Also the sidewalk, just wide enough to walk.
>
>That would not work around here--when the snow gets to 30 to 40 inches
>deep that two tire track won't work one bit. <g>

We hire a snow removal service for our cabin. It might be hard to dig
tire tracks into 8 feet of packed snow. I do have to dig out the dryer
vent, 8 feet above ground level but fortunately under the roof
overhang, on the south side; and the windows of the mud room on the
north side, 12 feet up maybe. I let my wife shovel the decks.

John

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 6:56 am
From: Greegor

WS > Deer are a kind of forest vermin that serve no
WS > useful purpose other than as wolf fodder.

Deer (venison) pot roast is good, and deer hamburger is great in
chili.

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 7:24 am
From: Fred

Greegor <greegor47@gmail.com> wrote in news:0968ed5a-0d10-4509-a65b-
21a4c1019659@u11g2000prk.googlegroups.com:

> WS > Deer are a kind of forest vermin that serve no
> WS > useful purpose other than as wolf fodder.
>
> Deer (venison) pot roast is good, and deer hamburger is great in
> chili.
>

He has, obviously, never eaten a venison steak just after it has been taken
off the barbie.....(c;]

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 8:02 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

>>> Deer are a kind of forest vermin that serve no
>>> useful purpose other than as wolf fodder.

>> Deer (venison) pot roast is good, and deer hamburger
>> is great in chili.

> He has, obviously, never eaten a venison steak just after
> it has been taken off the barbie.....(c;]

I was thinking in evolutionary terms. But I have nothing against brutally
killing Bambi's mother, ripping the still-warm flesh from her bones, and
roasting her. Die, forest vermin!

I once suggested to the head of Broderbund a game called "Bambi Blasters",
in which you kill deer with a variety of increasingly powerful weapons. He
thought it very funny, but declined to produce it. God, how I hate deer.

The "Bambi" Blu-ray is due out on 3/1. Walt Disney was an animal lover, and
"Bambi" reflects an anti-hunting attitude -- or more precisely, a view that
humans are responsible for the morally reprehensible things (as judged by
Disney) that happen in the forest.

The Disney film is a "cycle of life" story, a major change from the novel,
Disney specifically asking the animators to ignore the novel and go with his
approach. * The book (which I really ought to read) was for adults, and
apparently had political elements which Disney discarded. (The Nazis banned
it.)

One of the criticisms levelled against the film is that it doesn't
acknowledge the fact that some animals are carnivores. One reviewer remarked
that the owl wouldn't have sat around talking with the other animals -- he
would have swooped down and grabbed one of the bunnies.

The bare plot of the film and book are quite similar, though.

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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 5:35 am
From: Fred

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:w56dnXFlDNzhydrQnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@earthlink.com:

> No, it isn't. You can get nuisance trips on refrigerators and
> freezers. They have grounded cords and they don't need GFCI. I
haven't
> seen a new copy of the NEC lately, but I was told it is against code in
> the US to use a GFCI to power either.
>
>

So, you're saying it's ok if the motor windings are leaking to, or worse,
connected to the chassis of the fridge as long as it's grounded? That's
the only thing that makes the GFCI trip....about 10ma of something's
wrong.

Back in the 1980's, I submitted a Navy Beneficial Suggestion that GFCIs
be installed at all electronic benches in our calibration and test
equipment repair facilities after an apprentice technician nearly killed
herself pulling a TV-7 tube tester out of its case, inadvertently not
unplugging it. The TV-7 has a big rheostat right close to the case on
the bottom (sitting up) with exposed windings where the slidewire contact
is. She really got burned as she was also touching exposed, highly
grounded metal parts of her workbench (another benny sugg submission).
Months went by and Navy accepted my suggestion system wide, not just in
our shop, handing me a very nice check for both suggestions.

We had some equipment that tripped the GFCI every time, frustrating the
hell out of the bench techs who blamed me. 3 benches, themselves,
tripped out every time it was reset.

Leaking line filters in every case, and the Navy loves line filters, were
the problem. Once the leaking line filters were replaced, making the
equipment SAFE should the ground connection become open, the problem
disappeared. Equipment in the shipyard became safer to operate because
of it. Some metal cased test equipment no longer "bit" its user with low
AC voltages on its grounded case, something we never figured out. It
must have been miswired grounds in the ships crazy balanced 115VAC line
systems. GFCIs fixed it because they instantly detected faulty line
filters, transformers with windings touching the frames or miswired
equipment that had been used for years.

None of my GFCIs on any appliances trips, except during major
thunderstorms. If they do trip, there's a reason....leaky appliances.
One hot water tank ago, there was a heater coil shorted to its metal
calrod sleeve quite near the balance point of the 240VAC line. This
ground fault only shorted out around 12% of the element's resistor so the
element just ran hot in one place, but cold in another from the
imbalanced load shooting high current through the little ground wire.
The GFCI found this short as soon as it happened, eliminating a potential
electrical fire hazard if the current had overrun the flimsy ground wire.

I think many electrical fires could be stopped if GFCI were required on
all circuits....including faulty appliances that trip them.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 5:36 am
From: Fred

"tm" <the_obamunist@whitehouse.gov> wrote in news:ii85p0$4ae$1
@speranza.aioe.org:

> But you know this and are only looking for a pissing contest.
>
>

...rationalizing NOT spending the money for GFCIs.....

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 5:45 am
From: Fred

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:FuCdnUpmjq7LA9rQnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@earthlink.com:

> That doesn't stop them from chewing on a cord, or getting hold of a
> lamp they knocked off a table.
>
>

The 7ma current-to-ground trips the GFCI every time under your stretching
scenario for the pissing contest. Yes, the kid would get an
instantaneous shock in the millisecond range, to no harm, but there's
plenty of leakage from hot to ground to trip the GFCI if he bites into a
wire, even if he's across the neutral. I've heard this BS
rationalization before trying to save money because they are expensive.
But, we tested it. We took an old metal 2-wire Porter-Cable electric
drill and ran a bright yellow wire from hot to the case of it....creating
the electrical fault. If you stayed totally insulated from ground, the
drill would run, but that damned GFCI was uncanny finding you out. Body
leakage to the air Xc would even trip it. If you stood in your sneakers
(insulated!) and touched the hot drill case, the GFCI tripped from the
capacitor your foot made with the concrete under the insulated sole. If
you started by touching NEUTRAL, THEN touching the hot drill motor, the
trip was instantaneous, and you barely could feel the shock DIRECTLY
ACROSS THE AC LINE before the GFCI tripped. Your idiot rationalization
with the little kid across the line wouldn't wash....especially if he was
sitting on a floor, even a wooden one with a vinyl top. (Click), dead
circuit, live kid.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 5:54 am
From: "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"

Fred wrote:
> I think many electrical fires could be stopped if GFCI were required on
> all circuits....including faulty appliances that trip them.

Here in Israel they are required by the electric company BEFORE main breakers.

You can't get a new connection without one, and every few years there is
an advertising campaign to get people to install them in old homes.

We have 230 volt single phase service, and 230 volt 3 phase split into three
separate circuits, so we don't have the 120/240 problem in the US that
was previously discussed.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to misquote it.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 6:21 am
From: "tm"

"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> wrote in message
news:slrnikg439.iml.gsm@cable.mendelson.com...
> Fred wrote:
>> I think many electrical fires could be stopped if GFCI were required on
>> all circuits....including faulty appliances that trip them.
>
> Here in Israel they are required by the electric company BEFORE main
> breakers.
>
> You can't get a new connection without one, and every few years there is
> an advertising campaign to get people to install them in old homes.
>
> We have 230 volt single phase service, and 230 volt 3 phase split into
> three
> separate circuits, so we don't have the 120/240 problem in the US that
> was previously discussed.
>
> Geoff.
>
>
> --
> Geoffrey S. Mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM
> Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to misquote it.

I did a brief web search and was surprised that as many as 500 children (?)
a year in the US
are electrocuted. Before the GFIs were required in wet areas by code, it was
over 800 per year.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 7:22 am
From: Fred

"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> wrote in
news:slrnikg439.iml.gsm@cable.mendelson.com:

> Here in Israel

Sorry, Geoff. It's not your fault, but I cannot forget my 3 friends who
died....ever.

http://gtr5.com/

It was no accident.
By the luck of the draw, I wasn't one of the dead.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 8:44 am
From: "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"

Fred wrote:
> "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> wrote in
> news:slrnikg439.iml.gsm@cable.mendelson.com:
>
>> Here in Israel
>
> Sorry, Geoff. It's not your fault, but I cannot forget my 3 friends who
> died....ever.
>
> http://gtr5.com/

To quote the website:

"the Johnson administration never sought the prosecution of the guilty
parties or otherwise attempted to seek justice for the victims. They
concealed and altered evidence in their effort to downplay the attack.
Though they never formally accepted the Israeli explanation that it was
an accident, they never pressed for a full investigation either. They
simply allowed those responsible literally to get away with murder."

Israel is a democracy, and has a very active High Court of Justice. The concept
of people suing the state for compensation is very much alive here.

Although it is over fourty years, and it might be impossible to find
anyone who was in charge that can testify, you might want to consider,
as a group, filing a law suit against the IDF for compensation and
information.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to misquote it.

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I have 2 tape decks,tcw e635 and a tcwr 545,can any body tell me where I
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