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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 4:31 pm
From: Jeff Liebermann

On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 19:57:03 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 10:48:00 -0800, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>
>>> Can anybody comment on lip sync?
>>
>> On Comcast a few channels have imperfect lip sync. As to why -- I don't
>> know.
>
>I've only had a small problem with Discovery HD. Once in a while I get
>some pixelation. Something you would expect with a less than adequate
>signal. But that's not the case. And the cable company can't explain it.

This might add fuel to the fire. Note that this is from a cable
industry insider, published in a CATV industry journal:

<http://www.cedmagazine.com/articles/2011/02/ciciora-corner-can-you-hear-me.aspx>
Digital television has brought the scourge of �lip sync� errors.
Video signals and aural signals require vastly different
processing, which results in different amounts of processing time.
Unless appropriate additional artificial delay is added, the sound
and the video will end up out of synchronization. This difference
can accumulate if multiple conversions take place in the path from
the original source to the final display site. I�ve seen lip sync
discrepancies that were so bad, it appeared that the characters
were speaking another language and that the speech I was hearing
was dubbed in. The problem is so pervasive that my sound system
comes with a delay adjustment so that I can manually compensate at
home. That would be a reasonable solution if the delay was
constant from channel to channel, or even from program to program
on the same channel. But it is not.

On the home front, I've seen sound sync fall apart when ripping and
transcoding content from a DVD to some other video protocol. There
are tweaks for the problem, such as VLC which allows you to speed up
or slow down the audio using the "f" and "g" keys. You can also
"desync" the video and audio for a fixed user settable delay. The
problem is that controlling the sync seems to be too much of challenge
for broadcasters and cable companies. To make things worse, it seems
(to me) that different ATSC decoders have varying delays. It's
suppose to be controlled to between +15 and -45 msec but I'm beginning
to have my doubts:
<http://www.pixelinstruments.tv/articles.htm>
<http://www.pixelinstruments.tv/articles5.htm>
(Lots more on audio sync on the above URL).

Incidentally, if you also happen to notice that cable video doth suck,
you might find this article, from the same issue, rather illuminating:
<http://www.cedmagazine.com/articles/2011/02/transcoding-presto-change-o.aspx>

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 4:38 pm
From: Meat Plow

On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 16:31:32 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 19:57:03 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 10:48:00 -0800, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>
>>>> Can anybody comment on lip sync?
>>>
>>> On Comcast a few channels have imperfect lip sync. As to why -- I
>>> don't know.
>>
>>I've only had a small problem with Discovery HD. Once in a while I get
>>some pixelation. Something you would expect with a less than adequate
>>signal. But that's not the case. And the cable company can't explain it.
>
> This might add fuel to the fire. Note that this is from a cable
> industry insider, published in a CATV industry journal:
>
> <http://www.cedmagazine.com/articles/2011/02/ciciora-corner-can-you-
hear-me.aspx>
> Digital television has brought the scourge of "lip sync" errors.
> Video signals and aural signals require vastly different processing,
> which results in different amounts of processing time. Unless
> appropriate additional artificial delay is added, the sound and the
> video will end up out of synchronization. This difference can
> accumulate if multiple conversions take place in the path from the
> original source to the final display site. I've seen lip sync
> discrepancies that were so bad, it appeared that the characters were
> speaking another language and that the speech I was hearing was
> dubbed in. The problem is so pervasive that my sound system comes
> with a delay adjustment so that I can manually compensate at home.
> That would be a reasonable solution if the delay was constant from
> channel to channel, or even from program to program on the same
> channel. But it is not.
>
> On the home front, I've seen sound sync fall apart when ripping and
> transcoding content from a DVD to some other video protocol. There are
> tweaks for the problem, such as VLC which allows you to speed up or slow
> down the audio using the "f" and "g" keys. You can also "desync" the
> video and audio for a fixed user settable delay. The problem is that
> controlling the sync seems to be too much of challenge for broadcasters
> and cable companies. To make things worse, it seems (to me) that
> different ATSC decoders have varying delays. It's suppose to be
> controlled to between +15 and -45 msec but I'm beginning to have my
> doubts:
> <http://www.pixelinstruments.tv/articles.htm>
> <http://www.pixelinstruments.tv/articles5.htm> (Lots more on audio sync
> on the above URL).
>
> Incidentally, if you also happen to notice that cable video doth suck,
> you might find this article, from the same issue, rather illuminating:
> <http://www.cedmagazine.com/articles/2011/02/transcoding-presto-change-
o.aspx>

Bookmarked for perusal tomorrow morning after coffee.

--
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 7:54 pm
From: JR North

It's not just sound synch. Digital programming is littered with
digital artifacts in the display, and frequent LOS, even on hard
cable.
JR

On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 10:48:00 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

>> Can anybody comment on lip sync?
>
>On Comcast a few channels have imperfect lip sync. As to why -- I don't
>know.
>

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 4:47 pm
From: Bob Villa

On Mar 7, 6:18 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>
> > I'll let you know when they fail...dip-shit! (Original crap lasted 5
> > yrs)
>
>    Dipshit?  You don't even know how to snip a sig file, let alone
> anything about real troubleshooting.  I've been finding and replacing
> bad electrolytics for over 45 years.
>
> --
> You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid on it, because it's
> Teflon coated.

Do YOU even know how to read? I put this out there...if you want to
add to it from your experience go to it. There are people who are just
trying to save some money and fix things themselves. Lighten up...I
don't need to belong to your fucking club!

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 5:10 pm
From: "Arfa Daily"

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:wdCdnX91Y788-OnQnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
> stratus46@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> On Mar 6, 7:35 am, Bob Villa <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > This is common to almost all flat panel power supplies. There are 4
>> > electrolytic capacitors (same physical size) on the switching PS.
>> > There are 2) 1000uF X 10V and 2) 470uF X 15V that usually bulge and/or
>> > fail. You shouldn't pay more than .25to .50c for each. (I used higher
>> > voltage on the replacements of 1000x15 and 470x25)
>> > Symptoms of failure are: slow power-up or totally dead.
>>
>> Look for highest ripple current rating. Nichicon HZ, HN, Panasonic FM
>
>
> Going to a higher voltage usually raises the initial ESR. That kind
> of defeats the purpose of repairing the equipment.

I'm not entirely sure that I go along with that, Michael. The chart of
'expected' ESRs on the front of Bob Parker's meter, would suggest that
increasing the working voltage for a given capacitance value, produces ever
lower ESR figures, until you get up to about 100v working, when the trend
reverses slightly, and small increases are then recorded ... I've always
found that chart of his a pretty good guide.

Arfa

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 6:11 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Arfa Daily wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:wdCdnX91Y788-OnQnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> >
> > stratus46@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mar 6, 7:35 am, Bob Villa <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > This is common to almost all flat panel power supplies. There are 4
> >> > electrolytic capacitors (same physical size) on the switching PS.
> >> > There are 2) 1000uF X 10V and 2) 470uF X 15V that usually bulge and/or
> >> > fail. You shouldn't pay more than .25to .50c for each. (I used higher
> >> > voltage on the replacements of 1000x15 and 470x25)
> >> > Symptoms of failure are: slow power-up or totally dead.
> >>
> >> Look for highest ripple current rating. Nichicon HZ, HN, Panasonic FM
> >
> >
> > Going to a higher voltage usually raises the initial ESR. That kind
> > of defeats the purpose of repairing the equipment.
>
> I'm not entirely sure that I go along with that, Michael. The chart of
> 'expected' ESRs on the front of Bob Parker's meter, would suggest that
> increasing the working voltage for a given capacitance value, produces ever
> lower ESR figures, until you get up to about 100v working, when the trend
> reverses slightly, and small increases are then recorded ... I've always
> found that chart of his a pretty good guide.

I've seen some brands that didn't follow that chart very well. The
cheaper brands seem more like they set the spec with a dartboard. I had
datasheets for over fifty brands t one time, and some so called low ESR
were no better than the lowest grade of standard electrolytics. Other
do follow Bob Parker's chart quite well.

--
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Teflon coated.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 6:13 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Bob Villa wrote:
>
> On Mar 7, 6:18 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > > I'll let you know when they fail...dip-shit! (Original crap lasted 5
> > > yrs)
> >
> > Dipshit? You don't even know how to snip a sig file, let alone
> > anything about real troubleshooting. I've been finding and replacing
> > bad electrolytics for over 45 years.
> >
> > --
> > You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid on it, because it's
> > Teflon coated.
>
> Do YOU even know how to read? I put this out there...if you want to
> add to it from your experience go to it. There are people who are just
> trying to save some money and fix things themselves. Lighten up...I
> don't need to belong to your fucking club!

Posting half assed information helps no one, and bad electrolytics in
power supplies have been a problem since the '20s. Also, no one needs
your childish rants. There are enough crybabies who pop into the group
and think they are a genius, without you.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid� on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 7:57 pm
From: John Robertson

Arfa Daily wrote:
>
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:wdCdnX91Y788-OnQnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>
>> stratus46@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mar 6, 7:35 am, Bob Villa <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > This is common to almost all flat panel power supplies. There are 4
>>> > electrolytic capacitors (same physical size) on the switching PS.
>>> > There are 2) 1000uF X 10V and 2) 470uF X 15V that usually bulge and/or
>>> > fail. You shouldn't pay more than .25to .50c for each. (I used higher
>>> > voltage on the replacements of 1000x15 and 470x25)
>>> > Symptoms of failure are: slow power-up or totally dead.
>>>
>>> Look for highest ripple current rating. Nichicon HZ, HN, Panasonic FM
>>
>>
>> Going to a higher voltage usually raises the initial ESR. That kind
>> of defeats the purpose of repairing the equipment.
>
>
> I'm not entirely sure that I go along with that, Michael. The chart of
> 'expected' ESRs on the front of Bob Parker's meter, would suggest that
> increasing the working voltage for a given capacitance value, produces
> ever lower ESR figures, until you get up to about 100v working, when the
> trend reverses slightly, and small increases are then recorded ... I've
> always found that chart of his a pretty good guide.
>
> Arfa
>
>
>

Even Bob P. isn't very happy with the chart - it is only a guideline,
not a code sheet...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6kgS_AwuH0

John :-#)#

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 6:44 pm
From: TheQuickBrownFox

On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 20:46:16 +0100, tuinkabouter
<dachthetniet@net.invalid> wrote:

>Op 3/7/2011 2:24 AM, DaveC schreef:
>>> The other side of the cable usually fixes that anyway...
>>
>> No it doesn't.
>>
>> There's no way to get 2 female connectors to mate pin 1 to pin 1.
>
>There are two types of connctors. One AMP and one other, i think ansley,
>but i'm not shure. They use different pins for the stiped wire.
>As long as you dont mix brands, you have no problems.
>But it can be used to switch pins.

The lunacy never ends.

The pins are NOT defined by a brand name, idiot. They ARE defined by a
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So IF you "found" a connector that was a different pinout (I doubt it),
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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 8:29 pm
From: GARY

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 9:15 pm
From: John Robertson

GARY wrote:
> On a Sharp Mini Component System (model CD-C420), the compact disc
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>
> How can I check to see if something is slipping? Is there a belt?

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